From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #47 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, January 23 2002 Volume 07 : Number 047 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] perverse Jewel-bashers, say goodbye ["TSUNAMI" ] [EDA] Jewel's under arm scar ["Elizabeth Nguyen" ] RE: [EDA] re: vh1/stage presence/scar ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:11:15 -0800 From: "TSUNAMI" Subject: Re: [EDA] perverse Jewel-bashers, say goodbye Derrick wrote: "You just don't quit do you? lol Ya know, if people like YOU would stop causing trouble all the time, then maybe people like ME and everyone else on the list wouldn't have anything to debate over. But when you send trash mail like this to the list, then expect it to suffer the consequences. If you want the list to be better, then how about leaving it. And bring your bud Steve along with you while you're at it. You're the real trouble maker around here. I'll tell you right now once and for all...I'm not leaving the list. And I'm not getting banned from the list. So waste all the time you want, it's not going to accomplish a damn thing. Or I could just use Steve's advice, and words of wisdom, and tell you 'appropriately' as he would put it, to FUCK OFF. Have a nice day now." > > well, Derrick, you weren't named in my message about domineering, obnoxious, people who don't respect Jewel or other EDAs; but, I guess if you see yourself in that characterization, I'm not about to argue with you! peace, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:28:30 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] perverse Jewel-bashers, say goodbye You fell for it!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Adrian...ole buddy ole pal....you just screwed up. I sent you that PRIVATELY to see if you would indeed forward it on to the list...like someone else we know has done in the past. Something that is against list netiquette and just overall e-mail netiquette. Well guess what? BUSTED! So now everyone sees your true self. And you claim I see myself in that post you wrote? That's hilarious...since this has just proven that you are indeed the ultimate trouble maker around here. Obviously....or why else would you forward a *private* e-mail to the list??? Something you KNOW would cause controversy....don't deny that. I sent that to you privately for that reason alone....cause I knew if you left it that way, then no one would see it, and I doubt anything else would come of it, at least on the list. But you CHOSE to make it public, something you KNOW would stir things up. Thanks...you just did all the work for me. - ----------- >well, Derrick, you weren't named in my message about domineering, >obnoxious, >people who don't respect Jewel or other EDAs; but, I guess if you see >yourself in that characterization, I'm not about to argue with you! peace, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:51:51 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: private posts If anyone was curious....I've been going out of my way latey when people send hateful mail or bash people on the list, to be sure to reply to them privately so as to not congest the list with that unnecessary, and usually personal information. I defend alot of EDA's to those who continually bash them for no apparant reason. Out of respect for our list manager, and those EDA's in concern, I think it's most appropriate to act in this manner. Unfortunaetly though there are those people who don't seem to abide by this list netiquette policy. Not only do they post private matters to the list, but they also forward what would have otherise been private mails, to a public list. Invasion of privacy one might say. I can think of at least 2 counts of this in recent weeks now. Predictably, we don't hear from one of those people much anymore. Now it appears someone else is doing this. I don't condone it, nor even suggest it. Which is why I always reply privately to people if I feel it's not something that would concern the majority of the list. And the bottom line is that what is sent as a private e-mail, should be kept that way. But, there are people in this world who thrive on attention. Be it their lack of self-esteem or whichever the case...something encourages them to draw attention to themselves or certain issues they think might cause controversy. Therefore we see things like the recent post tonight from another EDA. Incidently, last week there was another case of this...not as severe...but basically a private conversation that was occuring on the list...although no private e-mails were forwarded as we witnessed tonight. But even in that case...once the accused person was told not to continue that discussion on the list...guess what? They have since stopped with the private e-mails too! Why? Cause what they were saying wasn't being seen by 100's any longer...and they knew that. So, no attention. It's really simple. You take the attention away, the problem ends. It's sad that there are people like this around, but hopefully something will be done about it very soon. One can only hope. I know I'll sure be happy when people stop making private matters into something public. Thanks for your time. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:56:13 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" Subject: [EDA] Jewel's under arm scar You know, I don't know if she has a scar or not, but, I don't think she has implants. I think Jewel is naturally endowed in that department. I mean, her mother has rather large breasts as well. And IF it is a scar and she wanted to hide it, why would she wear so many sleeveless tops? Also, it can just be the way the shadows fell on her arms. And perhaps she has those lines on her armpit. It IS her armpit afterall ... armpits aren't the smoothest areas of a person's body. I know some people who have problems under their armpit because their skin wasn't too good and from the skin constantly being irritated in the armpit, it created lines/creases that aren't too attractive. The lines look sort of like that. Anyway, I don't even know why I contributed to this. I just feel that sometime people need to think about all the possible situations. For example, there's that whole Britney Spear's fake boobs thing. Well, I don't remember where, but I remember seeing her wear this little thing where her boob was not supported, and lemme tell you, her boobs were real cuz they were just drooping down. Not badly of course because she is a young gal afterall. But if they were fake, they'd be all perky and standing up all unnatrually. Elizabeth, the tennis-ball-whacking angel P.S. Alisa, breast implants are sometimes done from the navel. I know this because I've done research in implants for a research paper. I can also give you details on the different techniques they use for sewing on nipples for different effects if anyone likes. Just kidding, BTW. Please don't email me asking ... just look it up yourselves. ;-) Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Perfect for the Jewel Kilcher Fan! Get your Free E-mail at http://jewel.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:08:04 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] Jewel's under arm scar You made some very good points about the scar possibilities..... But not to say she may have had implants...but rather just corrective surgery...to make them more alike. Girls do that sometimes. (I'm sure you're aware of this though since you know about implants in general) >For example, there's that whole Britney Spear's fake >boobs thing. Well, I don't remember where, but I remember seeing her >wear this little thing where her boob was not supported, and lemme >tell you, her boobs were real cuz they were just drooping down. Not >badly of course because she is a young gal afterall. But if they >were fake, they'd be all perky and standing up all unnatrually. - ----------- FINALLY someone else who KNOWS! I've known from day one they were real...always have been. So many people seem to believe that rumor though...and anyone who knows anything about breasts "should" know they're real. I guess that just shows you how many guys aren't getting any "action"....haha. They can't even tell the difference. And the girls who think they're fake...well I think we all know why that is. Thanks for such a great post Liz! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:59:43 EST From: ABear978@aol.com Subject: Re:[EDA] Top 20 Hi, Fabio wrote: >1 Standing Still Jewel See? It took a long time, but SS did reach #1 somewhere :)< >Star 100.7 - Listen to Jagger and Kristi's Top 20 Countdown every Sunday morning from 10am - noon..< Star 100.7FM is based in San Diego,CA for all who don't know where the station is. :-) Its good to see Jewel has gotten heavy rotation on a hometown AC(Adult Contemporary) station. Now if only I can get a job there...hmmm...I guess college radio will have to do for now! :) I'm debating whether or not to take a Friday 7 to 11am shift at my school. *sigh* so much to do and not enough sleep. the Kung Fu Angel Alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:30:04 -0600 From: "Lew - New World Warehouse" Subject: RE: [EDA] NJC why is everyone on this list? This reminds me of my "why are you an EDA" thread from a month or two ago. I'm on this list because, yes I like Jewel. No, I don't think she's a God or anything, but I do think that lately this list has become a "bitch about everything" list. I'm just tired of feeling stressed out from repeated examples of stupidity and whiney bitchy people. But, I guess it really shows the nature of our times. We are in the age of "Political Correctness" and everyone is offended by everything. The latest generation of people have turn into basically a society of spoiled brats and they feel the world needs to revolve around them. So, I just scroll past em. Screw em. I got better things to do. But back to the point. As a songwriter, I think Jewel is still one of the best songwriters out there since John Lennon. Her songs try to focus on positive meanings and trying to make a difference in the world. She didn't do it "all for the Nookie" or living a "Semi-charmed kind of life", or is an "american badass". Lately music has just become a bunch of useless crap content wise. I love the energy of the songs, but if people would spend a little more time on content instead of putting freaky contacts on or seeing how much money they could spend in a video then I think the record industry would not be in the slump they are in now. Even though a lot of people don't like her stuff as much as the stuff on POY, I still think she's a lot more talented and a better songwriter than about 90% of the "major" artists right now. Not to mention, it takes a lot of balls to still get out there and sing about positive stuff and not give in to the "I want to lick you up and down" sydrome in a lot of women's pop music right now. That and it's a good way to pick up chicks (heh...just kidding...sorry) ;-P Lew www.coilback.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:47:37 -0800 From: "Sheila" Subject: [EDA] (njc) derrick.... i have been away from this list for a week or maybe less. derrick drove me away. all the private emails that he sent to me were mean and cruel. he has no right to treat the eda's of this list this way. he has caused me much humiliation and embarrassment on this list. i have tried to answer all his questions about all that he feels are just lies of me and my daughter. he does not want answers to his questions...he wants to drive people away from this list. the last encounter i had with derrick...privately thru email....he really hit a nerve. i have not been able to listen to jewels cd since then. the reason is because it makes me think of all the trouble i have had on this JEWEL FAN LIST....because of derrick. i find it most disrespectful of derrick to continue to bash "fans of Jewel" and "Jewel", on this list at a time when Jewel is promoting her new album....thus....many more newbies are joining this list to find this sort of trouble...and it just continues with no end. my best friend and also my husband read many posts of this list a few days ago to find that derrick is the one to set this list off....into a raging hell bound trip to nowhere. i have been there....but i found my way back home. i most certainly support Jewel and i also support all that her family have done. tomorrow, on my way to take my daughter to school, i think i will bring along Jewels cd....something my daughter has been wanting to know why she hasn't been able to listen to. i cannot explain all this trouble to my young daughter.....she would never understand the hatred of derrick...nor would i want her too. Peace, Love, Unity and Respect to all the eda's. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:27:01 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] re: vh1/stage presence/scar Sorry but in my book telling someone to fuck off is pretty darn rude, and downright mean. If you weren't brought up that way then that's your problem. Maybe you should use some of your own advice then. And it was more than 2 people...don't lie. I know cause they told me. I know alot more than you might think Steve. Maybe you should stop now. - -----Original Message----- From: Fredsteve@aol.com To: jewel@smoe.org Sent: 1/22/02 7:22 PM Subject: [EDA] re: vh1/stage presence/scar > > By the way - "now you're thinking"?... jesus christ - you are SO > > condescending. I don't lower myself to these petty little subsersive > > insults because I'm ABOVE that Derrick... I hoped you were too, but > > obviously not. > ----------- > HAHA...is this why you've blatantly cussed out several EDA's before? You > know who they are, as do the ones I'm speaking of. Don't commend yourself > on something you don't practice. I've NEVER said the things like you've > said to people on this list...people you don't know anything about. And > yes, I AM above that....too bad you aren't though. (it's already been > proven, don't try to counter this) I can think of maybe TWO circumstances where I've said a few inappropriate things to an EDA... rightfully so too... since they emailed me rudely in the first place. The first is YOU.. and the second is none of your business. And of course I'm going to COUNTER this... you're accusing me of things completely without reason! What makes you think I'm just gonna say "oh yeah ok"... come on Derrick. Oh - and one other thing. Swearing does not equal rudeness. Personal insults that kind of hit below the belt like "you're mentally unbalanced" or "you're an unhappy person" are rude and inappropriate. Telling somebody to fuck off cause they're rude and condescending isn't inappropriate, it's highly appropriate and justified. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:24:33 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] EDA list shut down TEMPORARILY I have to make this short as I have to run off to work. I jwant you all to know that I just closed down this list, TEMPORARILY, until I can figure out what to do about the re-curring battles that have been plagueing this list the last few months and longer. I imagine this shutdown will last about a week. Over the course of the next several days I plan on rehashing the recent battles, including this new one that occurred overnight. In the meantime, please do not send any posts onto the list as they will not get through. Later this evening or tomorrow I hope to post guidelines on posting any NEWS related posts about Jewel that are of a time-conscious nature (such as any events that are Jewel-related occurring during the shutdown period). I regret having to do this, but with the few overnight posts I read this morning, along with the private emails I received on the matter, I fear there was the potential for a major blow-up onlist today and I cannot sit by and allow that to happen. Mike - EDA list owner ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #47 **************************