From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #688 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 06 : Number 688 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] re: NJC sellouts/no doubt [Uri Cancio ] [EDA] Re: Fritz Creek Store [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V6 #686 [Fredsteve@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tape/CD availability and treeing [NeOblCar@aol.com] [EDA] NJC: No Doubt [Fredsteve@aol.com] Re: [EDA] re: NJC sellouts/no doubt [RocketsTail@aol.com] Re: [EDA] NJC: No Doubt [RocketsTail@aol.com] [EDA] another article.. this time from the national post [Fredsteve@aol.c] Re: [EDA] NJC: No Doubt [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] Jingle Ball Q 95.5 [ANGEL26096@aol.com] [EDA] jewelstock [Pixi42@aol.com] RE: [EDA] NJC: framing? ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] NJC country music remakes ["cymbaline" ] [EDA] sell out trivia ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] Re: [EDA] re: NJC sellouts/no doubt [RocketsTail@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:22:13 -0800 From: Uri Cancio Subject: [EDA] re: NJC sellouts/no doubt that's so true!...the whole cd it's great and I love the way they experiment with new sounds, it also has that old feeling that some of that "scaa" (I don't know if that's how you spell it ) and there's a song in there that was co-produced by Rick Ocasek (from "The Cars" ) that it's like a total '80s song , like from "16 Candles" or smething like that, and it's amazing that you can re-create that sound again now days and don't be afraid to do it... I don't think that there are that many sellouts...what's that anyway?, you make a record, put it out and if people like it and it sells...what's wrong with that? isn't that the point of the whole thing? take care Uri Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:50:01 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Sellouts!/No Doubt I think you're totally off saying that No Doubt has sold out and gone "mainstream", their new cd is full of things that you just don't hear on radio anymore. Underground Reggae...please, that's nowhere on radio today. Even "Hey Baby" is a great single. It's a fun cd, much better than "return of saturn" in my opinon...No Doubt has done something new on their past two cd's and I think it's great they're trying to stay fresh instead of trying to make another "Tragic Kingdom". ~eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:10:17 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: Fritz Creek Store In a message dated 12/12/01 1:02:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: > I've always wondered about this record. I heard it was finished, then > later I heard it was only started. At any rate, has anyone heard > anything from it? I know it's unreleased but... :-) > I wonder if it's continuing along the same folk path as POY or more > produced so to speak. Sean I believe this album was 75% done... and it was put on hold when Jewel's singles started to take off.. and then scrapped completely later. I don't think anybody on this list has heard it.. but i could be wrong. All I know is it was produced by the same person who produced the Foolish Games RADIO REMIX... so I would assume that it has the same or a similar amount of production as that song. I could be wrong.. but I've always used the fact that the remix of that song is highly inferior to the album version as reason that I don't wish constantly to hear that record. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:21:56 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V6 #686 In a message dated 12/12/01 1:02:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: > Ok > I was just doing something else and I just heard on the tv, "blah blah > blah" hosted by Jewel, next tuesday night at 10:00 ? " or something like > that?? > anyone know anything??? > I didn't pay attention at all.... > Uri > Next tuesday at 10pm on NBC is People Magazine 25 Most Intriguing People of 2001.... I don't know if Jewel is hosting it.. but it's possible! That'd be kinda funny... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:27:28 EST From: NeOblCar@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tape/CD availability and treeing At some point I agree that this isn't a big deal anymore. On the other hand, we did give our word not to do this, just like we made a promise not to burn the session on CD. Sure we can't stop others from breaking that promise - so it makes it kind of meaningless. But, unless I am told different from the J-team I am not really willing to break that trust on behalf of the list and of myself. So if people do it amongst themselves, that's their business. This list has to maintain a little fucking integrity. == Rob == In a message dated 12/12/01 12:15:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, SeanHooks@aol.com writes: > Couple quick things. Mike, how come we aren't allowed to re-tree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:32:18 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: No Doubt I'm listening to their CD now via AOL's Listening Party.... I don't mind No Doubt. I quite liked their first CD as a poppy, entertaining, lightweight thing... their second CD is ok too.... nothing to write home about but I'm not against it. I actually saw them in concert once.. which was shitty and dissapointing... but I never expected it to be amazing.. they're just a fun band... But this new cd.... I dunno. If you're gonna try and do "reggae"... DO reggae.. don't do this poppy radio-ready reggae hybrid that kind of reminds me of Britney Spears (the first song has Slave-4-U-esque orgasmic breathing.. and keyboard noises).... the first single I don't mind that much cause it's just a pop song and whatever.. we all know the first radio single is gonna be the poppiest thing on there (standing still is the perfect example)... the sad thing is I can't even hear the other bandmates.. i just hear keyboards noises... it seems like it has just become Gwen Stefani's band. ohh... i hear a bass guitar.... i think. oh know.. keyboard again. I have a question - HOW is this UNDERGROUND REGGAE? I mean I'm not some reggae fan......but really. i mean just cause you put a reggae beat on a song doesn't make it underground reggae.. it makes it pop reggae... and kinda cheesy to be honest. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:38:20 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] re: NJC sellouts/no doubt In a message dated 12/12/2001 8:06:01 AM Central Standard Time, Uri@powerpoint.com writes: > I don't think that there are that many sellouts...what's that anyway?, > you make a record, put it out and if people like it and it > sells...what's wrong with that? isn't that the point of the whole thing? Depends...some artists make music for music sake and others (ala CREED) do it to make money. I can't believe that someone like Britney Spears has an importnat message to get out *yet* so that's why she makes albums haha. Jewel has something to say...she's one of the few who can make radio-friendly (to an extent) music without totally selling-out to the mainstream. Usually it's the record company anyway. I'm trying to think of a good example of an artist who "sold out"...I guess it just comes down to trying to be more popular and compromising your art. I'm just babbling now. -eric "i think, I could like you if you'd let me drive your car" ~throwing muses ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:40:46 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: No Doubt In a message dated 12/12/2001 8:33:30 AM Central Standard Time, Fredsteve@aol.com writes: > HOW is this UNDERGROUND REGGAE? Don't know...that's the term good ole Gwen used to describe the "new" sound haha. Actually "Tragic Kingdom" was their third cd, not to be technical or anything though haha. I've never seen them live but I've never heard it described as "disappointing"...even people who hated No Doubt agreed that they put on a hell of a show. Guess I shoudl see it myself before I say anything though. -eric "i think, I could like you if you'd let me drive your car" ~throwing muses ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:49:44 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] another article.. this time from the national post She cannot tell a lie Jewel discusses her boyfriend, her new record and her boyfriend Rebecca Eckler National Post Jewel can go on for hours about how important honesty is to her as a lyricist and a poet. But honesty has its limits. "You're getting quite personal here," she says, sitting with her legs up on the table as we talk in a suite in the Four Seasons. "I do have a record out, you know." Yeah, yeah, I know. Her fourth, most recent album is called This Way, her first collection of songs in three years. There, I said it. And the album is really good. But I'm sorry, I'm just way more interested in her boyfriend, nine-time world rodeo champion Ty Murray. "Have you ever had bull's penis?" I ask Jewel. "I mean, I hear they are an aphrodisiac." "You mean Rocky Mountain Oysters," she says. "There not penises, they're testicles. And they're from calves, not bulls. Yes, I've tried it. We used to eat cow's tongue when I was growing up, too." I tell her cow's tongue sounds gross, but she did grow up in a cabin in a small town in Alaska. "Not if you make it like tuna salad it's not," she says. Jewel has been dating Ty for four years. They met at a rodeo event in Denver. "I asked a girl who worked at my record label, who uses the car service that sponsors Ty, to get me tickets. After I went up to thank him ... " she explains, popping a second piece of Chlorophyll Clorets in her mouth (Jewel's tongue, right now, is green), " ... we didn't talk again for eight months." Jewel is so introspective that, in fact, you don't want to ask her about her music. In her book Chasing Down the Dawn, set to come out in paperback this month, she writes about why she sings: "When I sing, order pours out of me, a round warmth that rolls and plays like a bird high on invisible currents, showing me a connection between all things. A sweetness comes over me. People no longer look like car crashes." It's beautiful, yes, but what the heck does it mean? I'm actually scared to ask her about music, for fear I'm not introspective enough to understand what she means. Plus, in This Way, she shares the songwriting credit on Till We Run Out of Road with her boyfriend. So let's talk more about him. I think it would be easier for Ty to learn how to be a songwriter than it would for Jewel, say, to learn how to bull ride. But how does this happen? Did her boyfriend wake up one day and say, "Jewel, sweetie, I see what you do, and I'd like to give it the old college try?" "It was New Year's and we were camping. He wanted to write something about his experiences. So I would play him melodies and write lyrics and bounce them off of him. He wanted no cheese. So if I'd come up with a line he'd like, we'd go forward. I was channeling through him. He did add some cussing words in, though." It's probably better this way, to let Jewel do most of the writing. Jewel knows what she's doing. At 27, she has sold more than 23 million albums worldwide. Her 1995 debut, Pieces of You, sold more than 10 million, and includes the hits You Were Meant for Me, Who Will Save Your Soul and Foolish Game. No, Jewel (whose name is a family name; it's both her Mom's and her grandfather's middle names) has never ridden a bull. "Once Ty made me kneel on one, but I don't have a suicide wish." She says she and Ty spend more time together than most couples who live together. My eyes are drawn to a huge, four-carat diamond ring on her finger. It's not from Ty, though. It was a gift from her mother, she says. (Though, after, her personal assistant, who used to be Shirley MacLaine's personal assistant, tells me it was a present to herself.) "I don't ever really think about marriage," says Jewel. Here, I think she's not exactly being honest with me, either. All women in their late 20s at least think about it. The thought has crossed her mind, surely? "If I ever have babies then I'll want to get married." Jewel also comes down hard on the famous, and though she hasn't said "Britney Spears," the likes of her. "I'd be embarrassed to look back and think, 'Oh that's how my clothing changed with each album.' " She says she doesn't work out, but should. "I'm always very healthy. I've always been neurotic about getting a disease when I'm older." Now I'm on a honest kick. I ask about her smile, with her imperfect teeth, after my brother said to me, "Ask her why with so much money she doesn't get them straightened." "I might get them fixed one day," she admits. Did I mention that her record is called This Way? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:52:14 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: No Doubt Well, to me, just because you've got a jamaican saying random things at the end of songs and reggae beats doesn't make somethiung "underground reggae"... gwen is just trying to hype up the record. I saw them live last year and they put on an energetic show I guess.. but her voice wasn't great and the whole thing was just mediocre.. steve > Don't know...that's the term good ole Gwen used to describe the "new" sound > haha. Actually "Tragic Kingdom" was their third cd, not to be technical > or anything though haha. I've never seen them live but I've never heard it > described as "disappointing"...even people who hated No Doubt agreed that > they put on a hell of a show. Guess I shoudl see it myself before I say > anything though. -eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:06:44 EST From: ANGEL26096@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jingle Ball Q 95.5 I saw Jewel at the Q 95.5 Jingle Ball and she was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never been that close to the stage at a Jewel concert, I was about ten feet from jewel. I would have to say the best song she sang was, Who Will Save Your Souls. It was really hard to get to the front through all the O'town fans and my feet were killing me from waiting and standing so long, but it was worth it. Anyone else go? ~*~Shianne~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:24:36 EST From: Pixi42@aol.com Subject: [EDA] jewelstock after the recent e-mails about jewelstock, i feel as though i missed out on something wonderful. now being fairly new eda i have not had the chance to hear any of this performance. i would be ever so grateful to anyone who could make copies for me:) if u are willing to do this, please e-mail me privately:) heidi }:}i{:{ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:38:59 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] NJC: framing? Seems to me like you're the one who won't stop. :-) > ---------- > From: Jewel Fan[SMTP:jewel16rox@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:59 AM > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: framing? > > >i'm not trying to fight with anyone and i never had a problem with > derrick > >but i see that the simple thing to do is for derrick to just do what she > >says > >and not post about her or e-mail her > >i'm not trying to pick a fight but i thought that this would be the > >logical way out > > > > Yeah.. it would be a logical way out, but he won't stop. Like Alisa said > "He takes plesure in my pain" but in this care... HER pain. > > > ~Jewel Fan~ > http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven > (long story about the name of the URL. It's a Jewel Page) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:50:32 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: [EDA] NJC country music remakes what's the deal with country singers remaking songs?? don't get me wrong, I love country, but most of the times, the remakes are worse than the original. For example, I about CRINGED when I heard Dolly Parton's remake of Collective Soul's song "Shine". And then there's all these other remakes... I just heard some chick singing Edwin McCain's song "I Could Not Ask For More". A few years ago.... we had two country singers Leeanne Rimes and... Faith Hill I think, both singing the same song, and getting nominated for a Grammy. I like country music, but there's so few country artists who are being original, and only performing their OWN stuff. Why do songs have to be remade anyway? Its one thing to remake an old song, and make it more "modern" (like "Last Kiss") but to remake a song that is very recent? Thats kinda silly cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:19:12 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] sell out trivia Re: Sellout....as the great band Metallica once said. "You're darn right we're a sellout...we 'sell out' at every single show!" I think that says it all. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:38:06 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] re: NJC sellouts/no doubt In a message dated 12/12/2001 11:34:45 AM Central Standard Time, dkaracos@utmb.edu writes: > . So if you want to blame anyone, blame > your peers. Oh I do, i blame them with a vengance for egging Creed on...people like their sound because Pearl Jam stopped recording ha. I just don't like their music...so I took a shot at them as easily as I could ;-) -eric "i think, I could like you if you'd let me drive your car" ~throwing muses ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #688 ***************************