From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #687 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 06 : Number 687 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Replying to someones email ["santee01" ] [EDA] JS tapes are better ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] NJC: a thought ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] RE: [EDA] NJC: new cd's I got today ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] Re: [EDA] "Fritz Creek Store" ["TSUNAMI" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: framing? ["Jewel Fan" ] Re: [EDA] Jewelstock copies ["Jewel Fan" ] [EDA] NJC: Post delays ["Jewel Fan" ] [EDA] WELCOME!! ["elchubbo" ] [EDA] NJC: Sellouts! [Carrie the Midnight Angel ] Re: [EDA] NJC: Sellouts!/No Doubt [RocketsTail@aol.com] Re: [EDA] more about the JS versions (Slight correction) ["George Rue" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:29:35 -0500 From: "santee01" Subject: [EDA] Replying to someones email Quick lesson in a bit of netiquette and to help forestall and prevent more bickering. When replying to messages, it is sometimes helpful to remove the message that you are replying to. Several email engines have the option of adding the text of what you reply to to the message. Others default with putting the original message at the bottom of what you are typing. To help forestall some bickering, when replying, try to quote the significant passages from someone's post. Also, try not to break up the entire message, and only reply to, as I said before, significant portions of the messages... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:36:06 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] JS tapes are better Another EDA said he didn't see how there would be any advantages to having the tape version of Jewelstock and went on to say with a CD you have the freedom to skip tracks, etc. He also used a few other immature terms in there as well but I'll look past that since it won't get this topic anywhere. 1. First off, WHY would you WANT to skip a track on Jewekstock! Hello!!! You of all people (and you know who you are) are the MAIN person who always oooo's and ahhh's about how wondeful that show was. Now you're talking about wanting to SKIP over tracks? That part just doesn't make any sense at all 2. You will not find a CD version anywhere that is better quality than the tape version. So, quality is out the window with the CD. 3. With the tape, you are more likely to listen to the show as it was played while it was actually occuring. The same song sequence, etc. So this would add more to the "feel" for how it really was being there. 4. I can't remember the last time my tape "skipped" after riding over a bump in the car. :-) 5. 4 CD's vs. 3 tapes. = one more copy you can lose. PLUS, the tapes are divided up nicely into 3 segments. This is for a reason. It's called organization. With the CD's everything will be all scrambled. So, I think I'll stick with the great sounding tapes rather than the subpar sounding, skipping, one more to lose, scrambled CD's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:44:01 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: a thought It's things like the following (not said by me) that will keep the onlist bickering going on...this was regarding something another EDA said....who had all the validity in the world to back up their statement. - ---------------- >Absolutely moronically ignorant statement. - ---------------- I might also add, sadly, that the above was said by a long time list member who you'd think would have learned a bit about list etiquette by now. Evidently not. But as long as things like this go untouched...the list will never be anchor free. :-) (think) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:54:33 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] NJC: new cd's I got today >today I got the new "No Doubt " cd and really , it kicks ass , just like >all the other cds they have put out...it's very reggae and I love it!! - ----------------- Really? That's awesome! :-) I'm going to get it too as soon as I have the chance. I really like their new single and I think they're really amazing in that they are constantly changing with the times, yet not losing sight of where they came from and still incorporating that into their newer songs. >if you like reggae you will enjoy this album. Also while getting this >one the damn Shakira cd stuck to my hand and I bought it.. sorry, but >it's really pretty damn good also..has a lot of pop tunes , but for this >cd being completely written and produced by Shakira , it's incredible. - ---------------- I agree with this too! I thought you already had her's though? I guess I was thinking about someone else. But yeah, it's really amazing as well. I can't wait to see her in concert. She's quite entertaining. >Her accent is very strong, but so it's Arnould's, Dr >Ruth's, that hot doctor on E.R. , Audrey Hepburn..etc and a bunch of >great people..so deal with it! - ------------ Actually I like her accent. :-) Even when she's singing in English, it still has that spanish sort of feel to it. >I think if people enjoy good music , they will enjoy these also... - ---------------------------- I totally agree! Those 2 CD's are indeed filled with VERY good music! I encourage everyone to go out and buy them! There are a few others out there as well. And some coming out next month also. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:29:57 -0800 From: "TSUNAMI" Subject: Re: [EDA] "Fritz Creek Store" I'm sure there's folks here you can give more detailed info on the buried Jewel album, but, seeing as it was recorded by the summer of 1996, at the very same time as Jewelstock, the songs would, naturally, hearken to Jewel's folk acoustic roots; and probably sound a lot like the Jewelstock tapes?!; obviously, one can only speculate on events, since life happens as it does, but I wonder, what would have happened if, say, after Bob Dylan (1962), the next recordings by Zimmy, The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan (1963) and Another Side of Bob Dylan (1964) had been scrapped as being too folky or rudimentary; and what if, just imagining, a big producer of the day, say Phil Spector (instead of Patrick Leonard) had been brought in to shape Bob's next released disc; how would such a shift affect the course of the artistry that followed?; would we have heard Another Side of Bob Dylan in 1964?; I think Jewel has indicated these Bearsville recordings were not to her liking, still she's also said she's not a fan of POY, and, I'm like many people in believing it's a great album ~ not for any technical proficiency, but for its purity of honesty and vision, and for its real emotion; I'm not sure what musicians played on the sessions at Bearsville studios; it's been a while since I've read much about the recordings; I like the minimalism of the Stray Gators, Neil Young's musical pals who did studio work on POY; some of my favourite moments hearing Jewel were the simplest, like at soundchecks; and for a band ~ hey, give me the Rugburns! Steve, Stinky, and John (it was John Castro, right?!) have the right sense of fun ~ they look good, too; moons over Austin lol hmmm... perchance to dream cya, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:41:54 -0800 From: "TSUNAMI" Subject: Re: [EDA] "Fritz Creek Store" darn - I'm tired - I meant to say, I wonder, what would have happened if after Bob Dylan (1962), the next recordings by Zimmy, The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan (1963) and The Times They are a Changin' (1964) had been scrapped as being too folky or rudimentary; and what if, just imagining, a big producer of the day, say Phil Spector (instead of Patrick Leonard) had been brought in to shape Bob's next released disc; how would such a shift affect the course of the artistry that followed?; would we have heard Another Side of Bob Dylan in 1964? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:59:42 -0800 From: "Jewel Fan" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: framing? >i'm not trying to fight with anyone and i never had a problem with derrick >but i see that the simple thing to do is for derrick to just do what she >says >and not post about her or e-mail her >i'm not trying to pick a fight but i thought that this would be the >logical way out > Yeah.. it would be a logical way out, but he won't stop. Like Alisa said "He takes plesure in my pain" but in this care... HER pain. ~Jewel Fan~ http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven (long story about the name of the URL. It's a Jewel Page) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:09:56 -0800 From: "Jewel Fan" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewelstock copies >I've seen a few posts about this so I'll just send this to everyone > to >maybe avoid future questions regarding this. For those asking if > anyone >can send them a copy of Jewelstock on CD....it never existed > on CD. >What was treed on the list were audio tapes. So the only > copies you >could get would be ones from an audio dub. This is > unfortunate of >course, but that's reality. >Derrick Actually, I happen to have a very excellent quality copy of this concert on cd. He's right, it doesn't exist. I have it on burned CDs. You, Derrick, can have fun listening to it on your tape player, while I, listen to it with a more advanced technology called a "Compact Disk Player" ;) ~Jewel Fan~ http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven (long story about the name of the URL. It's a Jewel Page) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:38:39 -0800 From: "Jewel Fan" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Post delays Sorry if my posts were a little late on the topics, but I have not had time to check email till now. I've other things I must do before I sit here and read email. So forgive me if I post about things that were mentioned a few days ago. I'd like to avoid any emails telling me "that's old... you're way off" Or.. "get over it, that topic is gone". So... there you have it! :) ~Jewel Fan~ http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven (long story about the name of the URL. It's a Jewel Page) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:06:59 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: [EDA] WELCOME!! Always good to see new ppl on the list...Let me be the first to welcome you...and say HI!! Steve AKA LostAndDelirious - ----- Original Message ----- From: veronica gibron To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: [EDA] Im new!! > > Hi all, > > > Well Ive been subscribing to Jewel Digest for a while now, Ive just > never posted anything. I really do love reading all that you guys have to > say though. I hope you all have a wonderful night and anyone who would > like to reply with a little welcome or hello would be greatly appriciated! Bye! > > > Veronica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:49:03 -0800 From: Carrie the Midnight Angel Subject: [EDA] NJC: Sellouts! elchubbo wrote: >I miss NO DOUBT and their punk phase...They have sold out to what is >mainstream and thats Sad so very sad considering the talent they once had > >They have gone the way of Smashmouth, Sugar Ray...and other groups who >showed promise but sold out for money.... > >Steve AKA LostAndDelirious > - ----- What is really sad is that people think artists can live on staying the same, playing the same style over and over until they just can't find anything new to do with it.. Change is good, some people can't accept that and call artists "sell outs". That is what is sad. Bandwagon fans...that is what I call them. Plus I think it's kinda rude to be calling someone or a whole band a "sell out", until your out there in the scene, or worked in the music business then you can talk. It's hard, and getting paid for what you love to do like making music, well then what the hell. Is that being a "sell out", no I don't think so. I guess it's true...ignorance is bliss. Really I am not trying to start any type of flame, but I get bent out of shape when people use the term "sell out". It's really kinda high schoolish term. Musicians are workers, they have the coolest job and sometimes they have a lot of stress. But getting paid to do what you love is great. If you love to be a painter and you are getting paid for it...good...if you make more money by improving your style, even better! See what I am trying to get at. ACK! It's late at night....hehehehehe never mind. ~*~ Carrie the Midnight Angel ~*~ carrielewis@gmx.net http://www.envy.nu/octobermoon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:50:01 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Sellouts!/No Doubt I think you're totally off saying that No Doubt has sold out and gone "mainstream", their new cd is full of things that you just don't hear on radio anymore. Underground Reggae...please, that's nowhere on radio today. Even "Hey Baby" is a great single. It's a fun cd, much better than "return of saturn" in my opinon...No Doubt has done something new on their past two cd's and I think it's great they're trying to stay fresh instead of trying to make another "Tragic Kingdom". ~eric "i think, I could like you if you'd let me drive your car" ~throwing muses ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:42:22 -0500 From: "George Rue" Subject: Re: [EDA] more about the JS versions (Slight correction) Regarding the generation of Mikes Jewelstock tapes. Derek stated that Mike's copy was the master copy. Mike actually has a 1st gen copy. Mr BB has the Master DAT tapes. The branches actually got a 2nd gen copy to start off with. Mike correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks Mike George ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:08:00 -0500 From: T H Subject: Re: [EDA] JS tapes are better > 1. First off, WHY would you WANT to skip a track on Jewekstock! > Hello!!! You of all people (and you know who you are) are the MAIN person who > always oooo's and ahhh's about how wondeful that show was. Now you're > talking about wanting to SKIP over tracks? That part just doesn't make any > sense at all (1) Maybe you don't have the time to listen to the whole thing right now and you want to hear a specific track. With a CD, you can get right to it. With a cassette, you have to wait and find it while it forwards or rewinds. > 2. You will not find a CD version anywhere that is better quality > than the tape version. So, quality is out the window with the CD. (2) Quite honestly the CD is better sounding. There is no more tape hiss. It can be filtered out, you know, without losing the quality of the recording if you know what you're doing. > 3. With the tape, you are more likely to listen to the show as it was > played while it was actually occuring. The same song sequence, etc. > So this would add more to the "feel" for how it really was being > there. (3) "More likely" is debatable, but there is no difference with the CD's. You can still play them in the same sequence. The cutoff songs are just different in CD than tape. The "feel" is still very much there. >4. I can't remember the last time my tape "skipped" after riding > over a bump in the car. :-) (4) I can't remember my CD ever skipping. If you have one of those portable CD players that plugs into a cassette player, yeah, maybe it'll skip. But, my in-dash CD player doesn't skip over bumps. Maybe you just need a better quality player if this is happening to you. Also, play your cassette long enough and it'll start to screech in the player. Then you'll need to find another copy from an nth generation, unless you already made another copy for yourself which is still another generation lower. With CD, you can keep making copies and it will sound just the same. > 5. 4 CD's vs. 3 tapes. = one more copy you can lose. PLUS, the > tapes are divided up nicely into 3 segments. This is for a reason. It's > called organization. With the CD's everything will be all scrambled. (5) Try putting the 4 CD's in one 4-CD case and you have just one case instead of three cassette cases. Now you're even more organized and have less to lose. (I'm sure you'll say you still have more to lose, because you could lose the whole 4-CD set at once where you may only lose one cassette and still have two. But, in the context that you put it, you have less to lose because you have just one case rather than three). Someone had to make the decision where to cut the segments to fit on a cassette. No different with the CD's. Plus, there's added bonus stuff on the 4th CD which does nothing to distract from Jewelstock itself. With CD, nothing is scrambled. It's all in the same order, just a different cutoff point. You lose nothing. > So, I think I'll stick with the great sounding tapes rather than the > subpar sounding, skipping, one more to lose, scrambled CD's. Wrong, wrong and wrong. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #687 ***************************