From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #655 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, December 5 2001 Volume 06 : Number 655 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Jewel and stuff ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] Re: [EDA] Jewel and stuff [space_bandits@webtv.net] [EDA] Intimate and Interactive/CANADA Tv record [kevin maguire ] [EDA] jewel video collection ["now and zen girl" ] RE: [EDA] Jewel and stuff ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] Break Me, Serve the Ego, sexism, and lyrical analysis [SeanHooks@ao] RE: [EDA] Jewel and stuff [space_bandits@webtv.net] [EDA] International Album Charts [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] Rosie info for Michigan EDAs [casper31@juno.com] Re: [EDA] jewel's song ["cymbaline" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 00:36:34 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] Jewel and stuff About her not knowing the Beatles...what I remember her saying was that she hadn't heard of the "White" album before. Not that she hadn't heard of the Beatles themselves. And she knew who Dylan was too...she looked up to him for a long time before she was famous. For those not knowing...those posting about Pink Floyd are just playing around. They all know it's a band. It's funny this was mentioned by Cymbie though...maybe she picked up on my Wizard of Oz/Dark Side of the Moon reference in my reply to Sean yesterday. Or maybe it's just a coincidence. LOL In other news...anyone catch the Billboard Awards tonight? It blew away the VH-1 awards. I thought most the bands sounded good...unlike the other night. Even No Doubt topped their own performance from 2 nights ago with an amazing version of Hey Baby. Gwen looked hotter than she has in a long time, and she was on her game tonight. I also like Alicia's performance (this was the one I was thinking about Sunday night). She's always good. And I also liked John Mellencamp's speech he gave for getting the Century award...it really made alot of sense and I can relate to just about everything he was saying since I try to live on the same principles. Looking forward to tomorrow night as well...I'm getting to see Michelle Branch again! Woohoo!!! This time indoors, so I'll get to hear how her indoor sound is. I noticed on Real World tonight they played part of her song Goodbye To You towards the end (it was the season's final episode). Good song, and very fitting. They even played some of the vocal part also which they hardly ever do on that show. Usually they'll just loop the instrumental part of a song over and over again. Guess that's about it for now. This list gets rather boring when I stop posting doesn't it? :-) Be honest. We went from almost 100 posts a day the past 2 days to less than half that today. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:48:46 -0500 (EST) From: space_bandits@webtv.net Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel and stuff I have an interview where Jewel (I think it was on 120 Minutes) says she didn't know the Beatles and/or the Stones. I think maybe I put the Dylan in there by confusion...I recall her opening for Dyaln and saying not much at all when asked about how she liked his music. I know this sounds like I'm dreaming but trust me. The White Album wasn't mentioned in the interviews I saw or the ones I read to the very best of my memory. Alas...Pink Floyd is or at the very least was a great band. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: kevin maguire Subject: [EDA] Intimate and Interactive/CANADA Tv record So this concert is in Canada...Which part? Like West Side! or East or something? I also applied for the wrist band, just tonight. maybe i'll get a call tomorrow. Is anyone in Canada going to Record this? can we trade? or something? Also Those pictures on Jewel's site are so wonderful! Thank you jewel for giving us a glimpse into your childhood. (gosh i hate TY!!!!! ok just a LOT jealous) God Bless, Kevin the EDA from Santa Cruz, that will see Jewel soon and a Steve Poltz show! Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:06:35 EST > From: Fredsteve@aol.com > Subject: [EDA] Intimate and Interactive > > Hey Guys > > I got wristbands for the Intimate and Interactive. Signed up on the Internet > and they called me up at home and asked me a bunch of trivia questions about > Jewel. Easy stuff like what's her new CD and single called, what are her > books called, etc etc... So I got a wristband for me and a guest! > Apparently they're not shooting it in the main studios like they do with the > MuchMusic I&I (because it's MuchMore so they shoot it in a different area).. > so all those that wanna go and see her outside probably won't get a chance.. > because there won't be any window access. Oh.. she also said they'll be > screening questions for Jewel at the beginning of the thing so if I have a > good question and they decide to use it they'll give me a really good seat! > So if people have suggestions for awesome questions, or even stuff you wanna > get answered, email me... I'll pick the best one and submit it. > > Steve ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 07:39:39 From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: [EDA] this weeks pics at jeweljk.com LOVE the pics this week of Jewel in various stages of maturation. The first one of her as a teeny little girl with Shane is SO CUTE and ones of her as a teenager...VERY COOL WHat a beautiful child she was. Teen years are annoying in general, but I LOVE the ones of her as a little girl. Really I like all of them _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:46:21 +0000 From: "now and zen girl" Subject: [EDA] jewel video collection hey everyone, i saw jewels video collection today!!! it was soooooooo funny! my highlight was "STEVEN JOSHEPH POLTZ" HAHAHAHA! that was great. and i loved hearing how she said she used to think ywmfm was the dumbest songs she ever wrote... i liked how she pointed out that she learned a lesson from that song, as so many of us did too, i know i did... my lesson was to listen to jewel, which brought me to so many other lessons ive learned. i also liked when she said the ywmfm video was pretty good, it was really nice to hear that. it was nice to hear that hands is one of her favorite songs too... thats an awsome song, always will be. well theres my little review. great show! alisa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:02:49 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] Jewel and stuff I have that interview on tape too. Along with a ton of others. She knew who the Beatles were. Maybe she's accidently said things before that would make one think she didn't, but she did. She just wasn't aware of that one album...it was funny at the time cause that's one of their most popular albums. So people poked fun of Jewel about that alot back then. She most likely knew who the Stones were too, and Elvis, and Kiss, and Zeppelin. She didn't live in a cave, or have any relatives with the last name of Bin Laden. ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: space_bandits@webtv.net To: jewel@smoe.org Sent: 12/5/01 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel and stuff I have an interview where Jewel (I think it was on 120 Minutes) says she didn't know the Beatles and/or the Stones. I think maybe I put the Dylan in there by confusion...I recall her opening for Dyaln and saying not much at all when asked about how she liked his music. I know this sounds like I'm dreaming but trust me. The White Album wasn't mentioned in the interviews I saw or the ones I read to the very best of my memory. Alas...Pink Floyd is or at the very least was a great band. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 03:02:45 EST From: SeanHooks@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Break Me, Serve the Ego, sexism, and lyrical analysis OK, so, in some of my posts as well as my original review post concerning the This Way album, I mentioned that I find the songs "Break Me" and "Serve the Ego" unpalatable due partly to the fact that I don't see the connection between a love song and women willingly subjugating themselves. Some have agreed, most have said I need to lighten up and not take things so literally. Others still cling to the notion that these are good songs. Here's a quick analysis of the lyrics of both. Much like a witness at a criminal trial, I'd like to state my credentials. I have a BA from Drew University, with a major in English and a double minor in Writing and Sociology. So, I think when it comes to analyzing song lyrics I am pretty well-versed, educated, what have you. Break me. Most of the song isn't inherently self-degrading, it's merely mediocre writing and typical "love" cliches. This typifies the first stanza. Then comes the chorus: "So break me, take me, just let me fill your arms again" To be broken and taken. Does this sound pleasurable to any sound-minded human being? No. This sounds like a masochist. Someone who enjoys being hurt, invaded, damaged. The key word is right there in the title. Break. Is a broken leg a good thing, a broken heart, a broken spirit? No. So why the hell would any sane person want to be broken? Take me is similar. To be taken implies that you are being moved against your will. You are taken to prison, taken into custody, taken in for questioning. A kidnapped child is taken. And then the fill his arms again part is again, mostly just cheesy writing, but to fill someone else's arms implies that the woman is not an individual, but a thing, a treasured object whose use is to fill the man's arms. Then comes: "I'll let you make me Just let me feel your love again." I'll let you make me? This is a blatant oxymoron. If he's making you, you're not letting him. If you are made to do something it again implies being forced, against one's consent or choice. When you're a kid your parents make you go to church. Your boss makes you get him or her coffee. Being made to do something is not pleaurable, it has a negative implication to any logical, sane, not-masochistic human being. Serve the Ego. Note the "About The Songs" section of the liner notes: "I like saying, 'Who says a woman cannot serve?'" Hmm Jewel. Aren't you the same person who used to talk about how draining and disgusting and horribly unrewarding your life was when you were a waitress? So bad that it wasn't worth it to serve even if it paid your rent and you instead moved into your van. First stanza is pretty basic. Second though: "Who says a woman cannot serve? It would be my pleasure Who says it is not my destiny to let you control me" It would be your pleasure to be controlled? Who the hell wants to be controlled? Who gets pleasure out of serving? Ask a butler or a maid if their jobs are pleasurable. Then the whole thing about a woman saying it is her destiny to be controlled by a man, that's pretty scary. Destiny. That's a pretty sick destiny. What makes these songs so unpleasant to me is that part of the reason I got into Jewel's music was because she seemed like such a strong and independent woman who didn't fall into sexist cliches. Her writing was fiery, she wore little or no make up, denim jackets, folky clothes and cowboy hats. Some of my favorite Jewel songs are things like RaceCar Driver and God's Gift to Women. A strong, young woman who doesn't take any shit. These songs however are unreleased and these cheesy, submissive love ballads are heard by millions. I just find it irksome. She has good love ballads. I'll put Jessica or Emily up there with anybody's best. But again, these songs don't find their way onto Jewel's LPs. So, if you like songs like "Break Me" and "Serve the Ego," so be it. But to deny that they are about submissiveness and subjugation is to be blind to the on-the-page lyrical content of the songs. And, contrary to what some have said, they are not satires. Rocker Girl is a satire. Kiss Your Ass is a satire(Both, AGAIN, unreleased). Break Me is clearly not. And Serve the Ego does have a hint of sarcasm to it, but not in the lines I quoted above, and especially not in Jewel's "About The Songs" section of the liner notes. So, that's my statement concerning the two songs. Thanks for listening all. Later, Sean Hooks "Women are not in the wrong when they decline to accept the rules laid down for them, since men make these rules without consulting them. No wonder intrigue and strife abound." - -Michel de Montaigne "What little girls learn is not the desire for the other, but the desire to be desired." - -Naomi Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 03:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: space_bandits@webtv.net Subject: RE: [EDA] Jewel and stuff Oh ok. I didn't make fun of her, I just thought it was extremely strange. Sean - -----------------Original Message-----------------> From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." I have that interview on tape too. Along with a ton of others. She knew who the Beatles were. Maybe she's accidently said things before that would make one think she didn't, but she did. She just wasn't aware of that one album...it was funny at the time cause that's one of their most popular albums. So people poked fun of Jewel about that alot back then. She most likely knew who the Stones were too, and Elvis, and Kiss, and Zeppelin. She didn't live in a cave, or have any relatives with the last name of Bin Laden. ;-) From: space_bandits@webtv.net To: jewel@smoe.org Sent: 12/5/01 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel and stuff I have an interview where Jewel (I think it was on 120 Minutes) says she didn't know the Beatles and/or the Stones. I think maybe I put the Dylan in there by confusion...I recall her opening for Dyaln and saying not much at all when asked about how she liked his music. I know this sounds like I'm dreaming but trust me. The White Album wasn't mentioned in the interviews I saw or the ones I read to the very best of my memory. Alas...Pink Floyd is or at the very least was a great band. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:48:50 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] International Album Charts Hey Guys Some info on the International Album/Single Charts: Australia: THIS WAY: #25 (Last Week: #17) STANDING STILL (CD SINGLE): #47 (Last Week: #42) New Zealand: THIS WAY: #32 (Re-Entry) STANDING STILL: #14 (Last Week: #16) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:10:27 -0500 From: casper31@juno.com Subject: [EDA] Rosie info for Michigan EDAs Hey I know this is true for Michigan, but it may be for some other of you out there. Rosie is a day behind here which means the episode with Jewel is going to be played on Thursday morning rather than today. I think its because her show airs at 9 am here which is before the new episode is taped. Hope that helps some of you! Sorry if this was already mentioned. Adina (The Butterfly Angel) {\o/} /_\ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:39:25 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] jewel's song >Well, the only Pink Floyd "guy" I think you're talking about is the >actual band Pink Floyd. They came out in the late 70s and even made a >movie in the 80s, but I don't think the movie was that popular. Haven't you >heard their song "Another Brick in the Wall"? In fact, I read something >about a year ago about Jewel mistakeingly getting their album instead of the >Pink Panther when she was little. I don't know if that was ever brought up >before, but if not then it is now. Anyway, just a little info for ya. of course I know who Pink Floyd is.... i was joking. How do you think I got my name? Pink Floyd's album "More" the song "Cymbaline". Love the song... the lyrics for those interested: "Cymbaline" The path you tread is narrow And the drop is shear and very high The ravens all are watching From a vantage point nearby Apprehension creeping Like a tube-train up your spine Will the tightrope reach the end; Will the final couplet rhyme And it's high time Cymbaline It's high time Cymbaline Please wake me A butterfly with broken wings Is falling by your side The ravens all are closing in And there's nowhere you can hide Your manager and agent Are both busy on the phone Selling coloured photographs To magazines back home And it's high time Cymbaline It's high time Cymbaline Please wake me The lines converging where you stand They must have moved the picture plane The leaves are heavy around your feet You hear the thunder of the train And suddenly it strikes you That they're moving into range Doctor Strange is always changing size And it's high time Cymbaline It's high time Cymbaline Please wake me And it's high time Cymbaline It's high time Cymbaline Please wake me cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #655 ***************************