From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #526 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, November 1 2001 Volume 06 : Number 526 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] prove it derrick! ["Sheila56" ] [EDA] John Phelps 27 Riverside CA. [chilinvilin@webtv.net (John Phelps)] [EDA] Christina Aguilera ["Shannon L. Mackie" ] [EDA] Amazon review ["FabioJJ" ] [EDA] NJC: STEVE POLTZ EMAILED ME!!!! ["Jewel Fan" ] [EDA] Re: Bounce the TROLL and move on, please. [Mike Connell ] [EDA] NJC: NJC ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:15:11 -0500 From: "Sheila56" Subject: [EDA] prove it derrick! Derrick, you are not telling the truth! I know i never said i discovered Jewel...if i had said it then yes it would have been a lie...and as i said before i have not told any lies here. Ciara discovered Jewel!!! We had received a mailing from a Radio Shack store in my home town. It was like a large postcard. It had a picture of Jewel with a guitar. Ciara noticed the picture in my pile of mail and asked me "who is this girl?" I was doing dishes at the time. She held the picture up for me so i could read the writing on the back and i told her that the girl must be a singer and her name is Jewel. Ciara then asked, "what is that thing?" ....(as she pointed her finger to the guitar). I told her that it was a guitar and then explained a guitar the best i could. She simply stated "mom, i think this girl has a pretty face." I agreed with her. I then told her that we could go to Radio Shack and see Jewel sing and play her guitar on a big TV. But the TV concert was still acouple weeks away. I forgot all about it. Another day...Ciara came across the card again and asked me "are we still going to go see this girl?" I read the card again and realized that we missed the concert. When i told her we missed it she did get upset about it and told me that she really wanted to see it...she actually was quite upset about missing it and this is not Ciara's normal character to whine and carryon about anything!! So i told her that we could go to a store and hear the girls music and we did just that. Ciara loved her voice and so did i. At meijers we bought a jewel cassette tape (i didn't own a CD player at that time). Ciara listened to that tape over and over and over and this is when people started noticing her singing ability....mainly my mother. If i remember correctly, it was within one week that we went and bought another tape of Jewels and also found the life uncommon vhs tape and bought it too. She watched that video over and over and over. She still listens to Jewel constantly and watches the video over and over and over. The only thing that i can think of an inconsistency in my posts about all this is i may have never specified the fact that i initially bought cassette tapes...Ciara wore the tapes out and i had to replace them with CD's. So Derrick...if there are still any inconsistencies then spit them out and i will explain!!! I have not lied about anything i posted and its not fair that you must have a misunderstanding about some posts and call me a liar. Derrick...i can prove anything i have ever said about my daughter...this i know. Sheila ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 07:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: chilinvilin@webtv.net (John Phelps) Subject: [EDA] John Phelps 27 Riverside CA. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:22:49 -0500 From: "Shannon L. Mackie" Subject: [EDA] Christina Aguilera Wasn't Christina on this list at one point? I remember a post from someone who saw her on TRL or something saying she was on this list.... Then it'd make sense for her to *hug* Jewel... I don't know. My two cents... Hazy *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* my. online. diary. http://youronlygirl.diaryland.com Hear a Song from Jewel's New Album! "Jesus Loves You" [Real] [Windows Media] "Everybody Needs Someone Sometime" [Real] [Windows Media] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:16:53 -0200 From: "FabioJJ" Subject: [EDA] Amazon review Amazon.com It's easy to see that Jewel wants to lighten up. With two previous multimillion-selling albums (and a couple of much-scorned but popular books) filled with earnest, clueless revelations behind her, the singer-songwriter comes a little closer to ground with This Way. "Give it hell 'til the end," a former compatriot urges her on "Till We Run Out of Road," her version of Jackson Browne's "The Load Out." Could that be a hard-bitten road warrior deep inside the woman who makes a point of pronouncing the O's in the opening line ("Mirror, mirror") of this CD's "Serve the Ego"? Maybe. But despite her icky streak's spread to cutesy jokes ("Jesus Loves You"), Jewel hasn't quite abandoned her old judgmental ways (in "I Won't Walk Away," she spies a couple "resisting being one") and ambitions to, you know, really say something, as in the "Desolation Row"-lite "The New Wild West." Still, with some nice, if bland, arrangements set around her, This Way is the Jewel album most likely to appeal to Jewel non-fans. --Rickey Wright ___ Well, I don't get what this guy means... Is the CD good or not? Fabio - the Brazilian angel >> www.geocities.com/fabiojj <|> BRASIL <|> Jewel+Sarah << >> www.jewelbrasil.f2s.com <|> BRASIL <|> Fa-clube Jewel << >> www.jeweljk.com <|>JEWEL <|> official website << >> music <|> STANDING STILL <|> Jewel <|> THIS WAY << >> http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/streetteam/standingstillaudiord.asp << ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:00:33 -0800 From: "Jewel Fan" Subject: [EDA] NJC: STEVE POLTZ EMAILED ME!!!! I know this is unbelievable but its true! He emailed meeee!!!! TWICE!!!!! I almost died!!!! Then hadda heart attack!!! Then died again!!!!! He said he's working on a new cd, and he told me "when it comes out, go out and buy 23 copies." Not only am I going to buy 23 copies, but I'm going to buy and extra 23 just 'cause he told me too! :) He also said that he misses playing with Jewel, but he has to work on his cd, and promote it. - ---What about the rumors about how mercury dropped him? Humm... Anyway... I just thought I'd share the excitement! :) ~Jewel AND STEVE Fan~ http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven (long story about the name of the URL. It's a Jewel Page) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:12:16 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] Slamming Derrick But it's ok for Alex to do everything he's saying no one should be allowed to do. > ---------- > From: ABear978@aol.com[SMTP:ABear978@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:00 AM > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: [EDA] Slamming Derrick > > Hi, > > I agree with Mike that Derrick should voluntarily leave the list or at the > > least do not cause ANY trouble (i.e. flaming/name calling/swearing at each > > other) on or off the list--which to me seems to be an impossible task. > > I have seen over the 5 years that I have been on this list, Derrick's > ranting about some minuet thing or another about Jewel(on TV or in > concert) > that wasn't worth the effort to write. I have no intentions of fighting > or > arguing or brining up LONG lost posts from the smoe database to back my > statements. Moderated or unModerated, the harassments still occur mostly > off > the radar of the list(privately). I haven't been sent any emails by > Derrick > -maybe until now-. I have seen the results of Derrick privately emailing > people on the list and I've gotten sick and tired of it. Slamming Sheila > and > Ciaras' age was just pathetic. Still over analyzing a post has always been > > your cup of tea. > > Mike is a very patient guy and has had to deal with alot of personalities > > over the years. For him to post a message that singles out Derrick in a > negative view, I would think has pushed him beyond the breaking point. > Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Press have their good and their bad. I > think those freedoms get perverted by everyone from time to time. I am > tired > of looking at the results of hurt feelings and anger twards one another on > > this list. Derrick hasn't -yet- done anything outside of the law of the > land, but has so in the law of the EDA list. > > "Only kindness matters"(so stop being an ass) > Kung Fu Angel > Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:26:57 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] Re: Bounce the TROLL and move on, please. Dennis aka Harrisbros@aol.com wrote: >When you are in someone's house (and >this list is Mike's house as he runs it), you treat them with respect or >get the hell out. {snip} >Mike deserves respect, not bullshit. Neither of the two above I agree with. This is NOT my house nor do I deserve nor expect respect just because i happen to be the one who took the list over when smoe.org owner Jeff Wasilko decide he no longer had the time to run it. Nor should anyone get out if they do not treat me with "respect". That is not what this is all about. (although it's another whole set of opinions that we all should treat each other with respect especially when we do not cross any lines) However, as list manager/owner, I try (and sometimes fail) to keep my duties as list manager (mikec@smoe.org) separate from my "Bruce Wayne"-ish other self, ducksoup@quackquack.net This list is the house of the subscribers. If the *overwhelming* majority came to me saying "we want this" or "we want that" and until then this or that was not allowed or accepted on this list (usually for quasi-legal reasons), I would have to very seriously consider allowing those requests. Since that never happens, and I am in touch with and have better contact with outside influences that do in fact shape some of the "what is allowed/not allowed" policies of this list, it pretty much has to be solely up to me to implement and enforce those policies, which is not always fun to do. (like my recent re-banning of MP3 & MPEG posts/discussion etc) Then we get to the other transgressions which sometimes mean I have to intervene. (else things can go to pot. Not that things haven't gone to pot AFTER I intervened, like yesterday). That's where it gets tougher for me as list owner, as I am at times not sure which way to go or exactly what to do. (with cases like that admitted pedophile or some of the other legal transgressions I had to deal with behind the scenes, well, yes, it was easy to decide). None-the-less, ALL of these decisions involve time AND money, as I seek out many opinions, both via email and the phone. Having said all that, again, I do not deserve respect because of what I do nor what I have done in the past. I may deserve better consideration of some of my decisions and actions on or offlist, but not necessarily respect. That is all I ask, that you consider that I do know a heck of a lot more than most if not all of you when it comes to onlist or offlist events/happenings or situations that might and often do call for some action by me as list owner. While my post yesterday was not at all "professional", I do NOT at all regret it. I have received 129 private email replies on this topic since then, which has only been topped by two onlist postings/announcements I had made in the past, those being the initial posting I made when I put this list on full moderation in the fall of 1997, and my 1998 April Fools Joke post about winning a small part in Jewel's "Ride WIth The Devil". (that one actually got the most private replies, 185). I spent most of last evening, and some of the hours I should have been sleeping considering the events of yesterday on this list and what led up to them, the private and on-list replies about it all and what, (if anything) I should do about it as list owner. I pretty much have made a decision, but want to talk on the phone with one or two more people and am waiting until I do so. Wishing I was in Japan listening to "This Way" today, Mike - Jewel/EDA list owner/manager/grand poobah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:39:56 -0500 From: "Dan Perugini" Subject: [EDA] Whole Derrick thing. This little shin dig that we have going here has gotten well out of hand. Both sides are guilty of similar things, as well as disaparate actions. Derrick, what a lot of people don't seem to like is the tone and tact in which you put things. I think if you put your words down in a more mature and tactful tone, you might get better treatment. And others might actually read your words for the message instead of the attitude.Several of the point brought up, even if they came in the midst of insults and other angry words, were true. You have made assumptions, with nothing to back up your claims. And when people have called you on it, you never stated that you were wrong in any way, no matter how much the facts said otherwise. Try to be a little bit more humble next time. Thanks. Everyone else, lets try to step away and consider this in a more calm manner. Don't respond with insults, cursing or other harsh words. In fact don't respond at all. In situations like this, more than likely the one who starts the issues up is seeking attention, thinking that any type of atantion is good, no matter the reputation that comes along with it. And even if Mike wasn't following the "golden" rule, brought up by our good old friend Dennis "the menace" Harris, of stepping back letting your emotions cool before responding, that is something we all need to keep in mind. Don't let your emotions rule your actions. Think as well. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:05:40 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: NJC Everything everyone has been saying are all opinions...maybe some based on heresay, and others self-determined. The bottom line is that less than 1% of everything I've read about ME is true...since I of course know myself better than anyone on this list. Dennis' post really caused me to have far less respect for him. I've never once openly bashed any EDA to the extent that he has, as have others...and while I may have publicly said a few "harsh" things time to time (very seldom), none of it contained cuss words, none of it was wishing anyone death or destruction or poor health, and none of it was to eternally doom their lives. 99.9% of it was a form of "fun" and entertainment. There are people who know when to take something serious and when not to. Anyone who knows me knows I seldom take things seriously. There's too many other things going on in the world to devote so much time to flaming people on the list solely for the sake of it...which is what I've been witnessing the past 36 hours. I wrote ONE post that initated the age/name thread (a very successful, and still ongoing thread). I wrote ONE post about Sheila with nothing really mean at all it in the e-mail. One or two things could be borderline mean depending on how you think about it, but NONE of what I've said to her or anyone is even close to the level of bashing that I've witnessed from others. These people continue doing this day after day yet are not told (or seldom told) anything. That's one thing I never understood. But regardless...one person shouldn't be able to have such a huge impact on a mailing list, and the fact they do scares me. I do like the fact people are taking the time to read my posts, but in all honestly, if *I* were reading my own posts as someone else, I wouldn't take most of it seriously. Then again, I know myself. I just spent over 4 hours last night talking on the phone with a fellow EDA. I won't mention any names, but will say that I think this person probably has a good idea of who I am and what my overall intentions are most of the time. People who truly know me and know what I'm all about are the ones who see how out of line most of your posts are. You're bashing someone you don't know. Yes, I don't know Sheila (but still have my own opinion about who "she" is) But at the same time, the degee of my "negativity" (as Dennis calls is) towards her (even though it was really humor), was no where near the level I've seen from most other list members. You guys and gals are for worse than I ever could be. Because of that (and know this since it's happened long before I ever caused any conflicts) the on-going list feuds will continue. If it's not me involved it'll be someone else. The reality of the matter is, I've never, not once, done anything to hurt anyone or disrupt someone's lifestyle. All they have to do is press the "delete" button. That's the luxury of a mailing list. If you don't like a TV show, turn the channel. If you don't like an e-mail, delete it. It's simple. I do it all the time. And the thing Dennis said about Nashville is a complete opinion of his that I disagree with 100%. Maybe he wants people to think that to make me look bad or whatever, but that's just not the case. I don't mind talking to mature people, but I really don't have the time to waste talking to little kids. So if anyone cares to have a mature conversation with me, someone whose open-minded and would care to find out what REALLY happened, past and present regarding ANY situation, then just write me and I'll clear it all up the best I can. My guess is that Jewel didn't come out after the Nashville show since she didn't have time. She even told people she was hungry and wanted to go eat. (which seems very honest, since she did sign a few things, and take a few photos) Honestly from day one I never expected Jewel to do a signing. Maybe Dennis did. I really don't know. Maybe he was heartbroken or crushed that she didn't, I don't know. But to think she canceled that due to ONE sentence an EDA said weeks before, who wasn't even attending, is just absurd. Atlantic has better things to do that than, and being the professionals they are, I'm sure wouldn't let something so minor effect their lives at all. But Dennis can think what he wants, he will anyway, and always has. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #526 ***************************