From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #439 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, September 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 439 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Jewel is NOT pop ["Rowley" ] [EDA] Jewel Spirit Double-CD [=?iso-8859-1?q?boyCradle?= ] [EDA] Standing Still - a pop song [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] re: POP? [Uri Cancio ] [EDA] This Way / Fritz Creek Store / Some suggested artists ["Mike Gray" ] [EDA] FCS tracks? ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] re nov. 13 [Odin818@cs.com] [EDA] Standing Still ["Kevin Douglas" ] Re: [EDA] This Way / Fritz Creek Store / Some suggested artists [Mike Con] Re: [EDA] Standing Still [Mike Connell ] Re: [EDA] FCS tracks? [Mike Connell ] [EDA] over production ["Allan Ray" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:48:49 +0100 From: "Rowley" Subject: [EDA] Jewel is NOT pop Sorry mate but i think Jewel wandered off and sat in the folk (sometimes folk/rock) enclosure. You see if that was true then EVERYTHING would be pop music. Iron Maiden, are they pop? No but they ARE popular. all music you know is popular somewhere thats why the have a recording contract. POP MUSIC is more along the lines of 'it being a socially popular style of music' ie. There is peer pressure to buy it. your mates tell you its good so you get it maybe you dont like it. It is media hyped, and overly promoted, and on every playlist nationwide. Does anyone not understand this? was it clear enough? I know what i mean! Nick > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:39:39 -0500 > From: "Scott S." > Subject: [EDA] Jewel..pop? > > Well...technically Jewel is pop. > > Pop stands for popular music which unfortunately houses many genres and > types of artists. Just dont call her bubble gum pop :) > > > > Scott S. > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:07:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?boyCradle?= Subject: [EDA] Jewel Spirit Double-CD I got a double CD Spirit album includes live performance from Madrid if i'm not mistaken. Down So long, D you , foolish Games, what's simple is true, and Who will save your soul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 04:01:25 EDT From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel is NOT pop I definatly understand your definition of "popular music" but I have to disagree and say that Jewel hasn't done anything that could be considered "FOLK" on an album since "Painters". THat's just my opinion though. "standing still" is an amazing song, Rupert Hine just went a little crazy with the produciton. Jewel may not have written the songs with SINGLES in mind but Rupert sure did produce them with that in mind...he did it to lots of artists (Stevie Nicks for example--the outcome was brilliant at times though). That's my piece lol ~eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 04:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Christy Subject: [EDA] Sometimes It Be That Way Is "Sometimes..." on the new album??? I love that song. I'm excited about "Love Me Just Leave Me Alone" too... Christy the Tattoed angel ===== "Lend your voices only to sounds of freedom." -- Jewel Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:54:42 EDT From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Standing Still - a pop song Hi I'd just like to comment a little on Derrick's comments on Standing Still. First off, I agree with him, it's a POP song. It's definitely a pop song. However, I don't think that makes it a bad song. And Frankly, that Michelle Branch song I keep hearing on the radio I can imagine fitting into the opening credits of Dawson's Creek much better than Standing Still.... but that's kind of beside the point. Standing Still is not a bad song. It's a slight little piece of radio ready pop that will be (and is already) successful on the radio, and perhaps compel more and more people to buy This Way. I, too, would be disappointed if every song on This Way is like Standing Still. However, I know that live/acoustic version of Grey Matter and SIBTW aren't going to be anything like Standing Still... and I've heard Til We Run Out Of Road, and it's the very opposite of Standing Still. To me, dismissing a song because it's a pop song doesn't really make that much sense. Standing Still is what pop music SHOULD be. It's REAL instruments and somebody who can actually SING singing. It's upbeat and lively and catchy, and not all synthesizers and keyboards and drum machines. Oh.. and Michelle Branch's song that I keep hearing is just as pop. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:21:12 -0700 From: Uri Cancio Subject: [EDA] re: POP? Let me ask you all something, independently from whatever your musical likes and dislikes are, when you hear a song for the first time, what catches your attn, the melody or the lyrics? I'm sorry , but I would say the mayority are going to admit that the music, the melody, it's what makes you pay att the first time. Then you get into the lyrics and you discover that behind a tune there's a poet behind it, or not. If Jewel wouldn't have gotten a hit with WWSYS , I've never would have listened to her and get to find out more about and like her. So Standing Still has a catchy rithym, and some people will label it POP, (I hate labels ) Big deal... I think that's exactly what she needs , the girl needs to sell some cd's ...I think it's great...I'm not a hypocrit, I love POP when I 'm in my car, I love to crank up those young boy groups to get me started..and I just love Britney's new single , it's very sexy...at the same time I love hard rock, Linkin Park kicks ass and Saliva too.. I sing too all tunes..everyone is unique and creative in a way.. some can't sing but dance good, some sing good but can't dance.. it's all a wonderful combination.. Now when I get to my house I listen to a lot of different music, even asian...I love those little Hindu musicals when there's always a girl and boy singing...it so much fun! One of my best friends it's a hip-hop freak, and yes, sad to say, I've gotten to even love Jay-Z and others similar.. (shame of me , pls don't kick me out of the list..please :) hahaha.. So, let's enjoy Jewel's new single and move our feet a little and while I'm at it..let's pay tribute to some of POP's biggest hits that time has forgotten: Macarena, Mambo # 5 , Who Let The Dogs Out, Oops I did it Again, Bye Bye Bye.. and so many others.. all of them belong now to the Weddings Hit list and we shall enjoy and dance to them while we 're drunk at those..It's all good baby... . luv and peace.. Uri, Lucky Angel :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:54:29 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: [EDA] This Way / Fritz Creek Store / Some suggested artists Hi Guys, Forgive me for mentioning this, but wasn't the reason Fritz Creek Store was cancelled was because it "didn't represent where Jewel was anymore" - so what are songs like Sometimes It Be That Way, Love Me Just Leave Me Alone etc... which would almost certainly have made it to Fritz Creek doing appearing on This Way? Am I the only one surprised by this? I'd have thought tracks like "Down", "Do You Want To Play" or "Shadows Play" would have made it onto the album first, with the "older" tracks appearing as B-Sides? It just seems like an interesting reversal of policy from Jewel! As I've said before to those concerned about not being able to get the album in Europe, I think www.play247.com will be the cheapest way to go, as they stock US albums at sub-UK prices and offer free shipping all over Europe. They're not listing it yet, though, try about a fortnight before the release. To someone who suggested that "Angel Needs A Ride" might be on there, this is *highly* improbable as it was already commercially released as a B-Side to Foolish Games in Europe. Go visit your local importer if you want that one! ;) Anyway, I've got a few top tips for Jewel fans looking for someone new to listen to - Kathryn Williams (www.kathrynwilliams.net for official audio clips) - a folk artist with some serious beauty in her songs, she's just been signed to East/West records. Try "Flicker", "Jasmine Hoop" or "Each Star We See" Also, for those not already au fait, Dar Williams (www.darwilliams.com) is a well established artist who released a new record this week ("Out There Live") - I think "old school" (POY era) Jewel fans might really enjoy her album "Mortal City", especially the title track. Like Jewel, she also has moments of humour ("The Pointless, yet Poignant Crisis of a Co-Ed", "The Christians And The Pagans") but knows how to write a good "pop" song ("What Do You Hear In These Sounds", "Are You Out There") - might be worth checking out for a few of you? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:32:07 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] FCS tracks? Mike G. had this great observation! - ---- > Forgive me for mentioning this, but wasn't the reason Fritz Creek Store > was > cancelled was because it "didn't represent where Jewel was anymore" - so > what are songs like Sometimes It Be That Way, Love Me Just Leave Me Alone > etc... which would almost certainly have made it to Fritz Creek doing > appearing on This Way? Am I the only one surprised by this? I'd have > thought > tracks like "Down", "Do You Want To Play" or "Shadows Play" would have > made > it onto the album first, with the "older" tracks appearing as B-Sides? It > just seems like an interesting reversal of policy from Jewel! - ---- I couldn't agree more....so why are they on a CD in 2001, yet weren't released back in 1996? Has Jewel come full circle? We know she hasn't. I just think it's something else we can all put in the "makes no sense whatsoever" category. I've lost count of all the contradictions either Jewel or her people have made over the years. Maybe one day people will begin to understand that they tell us what they want us to hear so we'll be "happy" and "content" for the time being. The bottom line is, you have no way of knowing what's going to happen tomorrow, or next week, or next year with Jewel. Just because she or her people tell you something doesn't mean it's going to happen. The reasons they may give as to why things are or aren't possible, may or may not be the real reasons. So basically all I'm saying is that you *can't* take anything you read here very seriously. This is entertainment folks. She is an entertainer. She can't make or break your life, no matter how much you may think or hope this is possible. She wouldn't even WANT to do that...ask her! So just kick back and try to have fun. You may hear one thing one week, and something opposite the next. We may get tracks 3 years later we weren't supposed to get 3 years ago cause it didn't reflect where Jewel was at the time. Don't try to make any sense of it or connect logic to it. There is none. Once you can accept that, then everything will be more enjoyable. Most importantly, have fun. We don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, or the next day, and given the recent events in the country, I think that's a great example. So don't take things too seriously. If Jewel wants to do another PoY, she will. If she wanted to release Fritz Creek, she would have. Yes we may now know some the reasons given at the time weren't true, since some of those songs are going to be out now. But does it really matter? I sure hope not. The reason I don't get upset about much is because I look at this forum as entertainment. I just wish others would too. Once you're able to do that, you'll begin to have alot more fun I think. The early days of the list were fun because people didn't get all uptight about every little thing. Now it's so easy to get under's people skin. They take everything SO seriously. I could write a certain post any given day, and almost be able to list which people will get mad, who will say what, and how they'll say it. That's not really much fun. So I try not to do that as often, but when I have a point to make, I'm going to make it. If it offends people, too bad. I'm glad most others do agree though that SS is about as pop as pop can be. I was quite surprised so many did agree on this. Anyway, that was a great observation Mike G.! :-) PS...I hear Dar Williams is pretty good as well. Don't have her CD's, but she's worth checking out I'm sure. (I *have* heard some of her songs) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:39:32 EDT From: Odin818@cs.com Subject: [EDA] re nov. 13 i can't wait till metal gear 2 comes out ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:32:46 -0700 From: "Kevin Douglas" Subject: [EDA] Standing Still Hello, I think 'Standing Still" is a great 'pop' song that will succeed in getting a lot of needed radio play for Jewel. Something I think most of us on the list would like to see. Let it be what it is and not critize it for what we would like it to be or want it to be. Can anybody explain why everybody seems to think 'overproduced' is a bad thing. If I'm not mistaken Jewel co-produced this with Dan Huff. So, I'm thinking maybe this is not too far off from where Jewel considers herself to be right now. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:02:41 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] This Way / Fritz Creek Store / Some suggested artists >Forgive me for mentioning this, but wasn't the reason Fritz Creek Store was >cancelled was because it "didn't represent where Jewel was anymore" - so >what are songs like Sometimes It Be That Way, Love Me Just Leave Me Alone >etc... which would almost certainly have made it to Fritz Creek doing >appearing on This Way? Am I the only one surprised by this? Jewel recorded 28 or so different songs for the since abandoned "Fritz Creek Store". While yes, that quote ("didn't represent where Jewel was anymore") can be almost directly attributed to her, that certainly does not mean *each and every* song that was recorded in Bearsville that summer did not represent "where she was" when it came time to decide whether or not to release the CD. It is likely the bulk of what would have made Fritz Creek Store was not a reflection of Jewel 18 months after recording it, but not all. Also, of course it certainly does not mean it's still not "where she is" anymore. That was then, this is now. Mike P.S. There was also that recent quote about each song being the opposite of the previous track....so it's clear she wanted to "mix it up" this time around. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:09:30 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] Standing Still >Can anybody explain why everybody seems to think 'overproduced' is a bad >thing. Frankly, I never ever gave that term ("over produced") much creedence. To me, it just means it's *produced*...period, especially when you consider Jewel's strongsuit...acoustic. Heck, compared to "Near You Always" or "Amen", a song with 4 instruments would be "over produced". 3/4 of the songs I hear on the radio now-a-days seem to have just as much instrumentation as the Jewel tracks folks have labeled "overproduced". Mike P.S. I haven't heard Standing Still yet, so i cannot judge that song versus what folks label as "over produced". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:16:03 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] FCS tracks? >I couldn't agree more....so why are they on a CD in 2001, yet weren't >released back in 1996? Has Jewel come full circle? We know she hasn't. I >just think it's something else we can all put in the "makes no sense >whatsoever" category. >I've lost count of all the contradictions either Jewel or her people have >made over the years. How in the heck is this a contradiction? How does this "not make sense"? Just because FCS didn't reflect where she was 4 years ago, does not mean PIECES of FCS, individual songs, cannot reflect a part of her now. And who is to say her goal this time WAS to reflect where she is now? Sheesh...it's just two "older songs". Maybe she just said, "heck, I wanna include some of the older stuff too." Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:21:50 -0400 From: "Allan Ray" Subject: [EDA] over production it's not instrumentation as much as the "slick" sound that's achieved. For instance, an orchestra has 100 instruments or whatever, and nobody calls that over-produced. It's the too perfect, no life sound that's being referred to. Compare Led Zeppelin's recordings with a band of the same instrumentation out today. >>Can anybody explain why everybody seems to think 'overproduced' is a bad >>thing. > > >Frankly, I never ever gave that term ("over produced") much creedence. > >To me, it just means it's *produced*...period, especially when you consider >Jewel's strongsuit...acoustic. > >Heck, compared to "Near You Always" or "Amen", a song with 4 instruments >would be "over produced". > >3/4 of the songs I hear on the radio now-a-days seem to have just as much >instrumentation as the Jewel tracks folks have labeled "overproduced". > >Mike > >P.S. I haven't heard Standing Still yet, so i cannot judge that song versus >what folks label as "over produced". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #439 ***************************