From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #402 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, September 12 2001 Volume 06 : Number 402 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] PAGAN EDA'S ~overtly pagan... but not entirely pagan ["Devin Starr] Re: [EDA] I am America ["David & Beth" ] Re: [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. ["Kevin Pease" ] [EDA] Z100 HANDS [RunTontoRun@aol.com] Re: [EDA] more consecuences.. [Fabsurfgrl@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. ["David & Beth" Subject: [EDA] PAGAN EDA'S ~overtly pagan... but not entirely pagan **********************************************************8 i know this is a jewel list, and while people offer prayers.. well. not everyone prays for things to get better, some of us chant in times of need.. i know there are quite a few pagans out here...... so this is the best way i know how to get to them.. &*********************************************************** *YOU HAVE BLANKET PERMISSION TO FORWARD THIS MESSAGE SWIFTLY AND WIDELY* People, In addition to everyone's private efforts occuring throughout the day, I am calling for a major coordination of an Act of Magick on behalf of this crisis to take place TONIGHT at Midnight, U.S. Eastern (New York/Washington D.C.)Time, 11p.m. Central time, 10p.m. Mountain Time, 9p.m. Pacific time and 5a.m in Great Britain and Western Europe. All who can please gather in your temples, living rooms, sacred groves and by your nearest power spot to send energy to this situation. If your heart directs you to, please CONTINUE this Act of Magick for Nine Nights - I feel strongly that our country's leadership will direct the country towards wholesale warfare; this Act of Magick will be both healing and prophylactic. The goals as I see it that we should focus on as a bare minimum should be: * Safety and Healing, both for individuals and our piece of Gaia - and Herself as a whole * Reinforcement of our personal and national shields * A STRONG thread of Peace and Calming directed within our own borders as well as towards the Attackers * A prayer for clarity and equanimity to prevail * A STRONG thread directed to our country's leaders NOT to consider War as an option and good vibes sent to our people in the military However your customs, traditions and spirit tell you to combine any or all of these issues (or others you may come up with) and proceed, please do so. The important thing is that we coordinate our energies at the same time and keep the wave going as long as we can - Nine Days is the ancient prescription for such crises. Now, a plea for rationality: Most of you know that I have been involved in the Islamic world in one way or another since college. My gut, intuition and magick say that there are Muslim interests involved in these horrible incidents, which seem to be confirmed by the fragmentary reports coming in. I would ask everyone on this list who is actively involved in sending to this situation to think, at least *think* about (if not actively send love/magick/positive energy to) the Muslims here in America, who are mostly peace-loving people, innocent of any involvement there may be in this awful affair. Islam boasts a larger than normal amount of fundamentalists due to its active emphasis on Jihad-e-Asghar (the Smaller War, against "infidels" - the Larger Jihad, Jihad-e-Akbar is the fight against the evil in oneself...), but we are talking about a VERY small minority who are not supported by the rank and file. I can see the writing on the wall here for the fates of average Muslims living in this country if/when reports of Muslim involvement are concerned. In the late 70's when I was teaching English in the Iranian immigrantcommunity, we regularly bandaged up Iranian and Arab boys and girls who had the crap beaten out of them by bigoted idiots - their lives were sheer utter hell for years. Please, when you are sending your energies out to this situation, consider reserving a portion for the peace, strength, calming and healing of the Muslim community in America, and for increased positive relations between Islamic communities and other religions/lifestyles worldwide. Thank you. I look forward to joining energies tonight and for the next eight nights on this. Anyone with more/better ideas, please post them and forward this one as widely as you like. Many Blessings be to all of you, Maryam Webster, Saratoga, California*YOU HAVE BLANKET PERMISSION TO FORWARD THIS MESSAGE SWIFTLY AND WIDELY* People, In addition to everyone's private efforts occuring throughout the day, I am calling for a major coordination of an Act of Magick on behalf of this crisis to take place TONIGHT at Midnight, U.S. Eastern (New York/Washington D.C.)Time, 11p.m. Central time, 10p.m. Mountain Time, 9p.m. Pacific time and 5a.m in Great Britain and Western Europe. All who can please gather in your temples, living rooms, sacred groves and by your nearest power spot to send energy to this situation. If your heart directs you to, please CONTINUE this Act of Magick for Nine Nights - I feel strongly that our country's leadership will direct the country towards wholesale warfare; this Act of Magick will be both healing and prophylactic. The goals as I see it that we should focus on as a bare minimum should be: * Safety and Healing, both for individuals and our piece of Gaia - and Herself as a whole * Reinforcement of our personal and national shields * A STRONG thread of Peace and Calming directed within our own borders as well as towards the Attackers * A prayer for clarity and equanimity to prevail * A STRONG thread directed to our country's leaders NOT to consider War as an option and good vibes sent to our people in the military However your customs, traditions and spirit tell you to combine any or all of these issues (or others you may come up with) and proceed, please do so. The important thing is that we coordinate our energies at the same time and keep the wave going as long as we can - Nine Days is the ancient prescription for such crises. Now, a plea for rationality: Most of you know that I have been involved in the Islamic world in one way or another since college. My gut, intuition and magick say that there are Muslim interests involved in these horrible incidents, which seem to be confirmed by the fragmentary reports coming in. I would ask everyone on this list who is actively involved in sending to this situation to think, at least *think* about (if not actively send love/magick/positive energy to) the Muslims here in America, who are mostly peace-loving people, innocent of any involvement there may be in this awful affair. Islam boasts a larger than normal amount of fundamentalists due to its active emphasis on Jihad-e-Asghar (the Smaller War, against "infidels" - the Larger Jihad, Jihad-e-Akbar is the fight against the evil in oneself...), but we are talking about a VERY small minority who are not supported by the rank and file. I can see the writing on the wall here for the fates of average Muslims living in this country if/when reports of Muslim involvement are concerned. In the late 70's when I was teaching English in the Iranian immigrantcommunity, we regularly bandaged up Iranian and Arab boys and girls who had the crap beaten out of them by bigoted idiots - their lives were sheer utter hell for years. Please, when you are sending your energies out to this situation, consider reserving a portion for the peace, strength, calming and healing of the Muslim community in America, and for increased positive relations between Islamic communities and other religions/lifestyles worldwide. Thank you. I look forward to joining energies tonight and for the next eight nights on this. Anyone with more/better ideas, please post them and forward this one as widely as you like. **********************************************************8i know this is a jewel list, and while people offer prayers.. well. not everyone prays for things to get better, some of us chant in times of need.. i know there are quite a few pagans out here...... so this is the best way i know how to get to them.. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:42:08 -0400 From: "David & Beth" Subject: Re: [EDA] I am America Who wrote this? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: [EDA] I am America > "I am America" > > I am free > America nurtures me > with Democracy > Call me unity > I am more than a citizen > I am a country > unanimous in integrity > Regard me > as a symbol of liberty > determined to preserve > my sovereignty > against your incivility > Label me autonomy > I am America > I will always be free. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:25:03 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. Abigail Greif writes: >[...] >3. In the Islamic religion, LIFE is NOT the upper-most value, as it >is in Judaism and Christianity. In the Islamic religion, those values >are land and Jihad (Jihad, in simple words, means to kill all Jews.) >[...] Hi Abigail, I think I'll have to respectfully disagree with that statement, although I'd certainly love to hear your thoughts in more detail. I'm curious where you get the idea that one of the primary values of _Islam_ is "land", although I do agree that Jihad is one of its major teachings. But, I wouldn't characterize Jihad the way you define it, based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of Islam. For a frame of reference, let's use the Encyclopedia Britannica's write-up on Jihad (the following quote is taken from the website -- http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&p=url%3Aj/jihad ), which is more or less how I understand it as explained to me by a Muslim friend: "Jihad: In Islam, the central doctrine that calls on believers to combat the enemies of their religion. According to the Quran and the Hadith, jihad is a duty that may be fulfilled in four ways: by the heart, the tongue, the hand, and the sword. [...]" The justification for terrorism that's used (and, the in-my-opinion-oversimplified definition that you've used) typically involves a skewed interpretation & application of the last way -- "the sword" -- essentially, make war on anybody who doesn't believe in your religion. But don't forget the other three ways -- with the heart, the tongue, and the hand. These three involve rigid adherence to the teachings of Islam by resisting evil desires and thoughts, "preaching" (for lack of a better word...) Islam to nonbelievers, and acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam. Jihad isn't, and shouldn't be, solely defined as killing non-believers. Jihad, in it's traditional sense, does not mean "kill every nonbeliever you can," or even "kill all the Jews" -- there may be some people out there who have misinterpreted it to mean this, and act accordingly. But, in the final analysis, Islam does not equal terrorism, and terrorism does not equal Islam; In much the same way, Catholicism does not equal the Crusades, and the Crusades do not equal Catholicism. Terrorism in general (and the Crusades, since I mentioned them...) were and are wrong-headed, evil applications of religious teachings to justify horrific acts, nothing more. To say that these acts, and others like them, define major aspects of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism, is incorrect. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:07:43 +0200 From: "-//my first name ||\\\second comes after" Subject: [EDA] living on a military base Hi, Thought people might be interested to hear how this has affected this place. I live on a military base in Germany. It's mainly British, but it's one of the larger bases, and a few big NATO people and stuff work here, as well as military from all over the world. A lot of people from America and Canada included. At the moment the base is on code "amber", just one down from code red. My school was open today but the people who arrived from outside the base were hours late. It took over an hour for people to get access on the base, which I suppose is reassuring. We had to check all the cupboards and stuff for bombs which was a bit weird... If it goes to red alert we'll be stuck in whichever building we're in until the alert ends. So I could be in school or work for weeks on end. I'm off to buy a mobile phone on Saturday just in case, so I can stay in contact with my parents. I've never felt attached to the military really - my dad just teaches for them so I have no real connection. But, living here, the chance of there being a third world war in the near future really scares me. A lot of my friends will probably be fighting and maybe dying, if there is a war. It's just unreal, that any of this has happened, and that I'm actually thinking about these things happening to us in the future. I don't feel safe now, and that Nostradamus stuff has made it a bit worse I suppose... It's just mad. I work in the NAAFI store (basically a PX) on the base and today I was checking people's IDs. On a base where thousands of military personnel work, they put a 17 year-old schoolkid (as well as others - we were on in shifts) basically in charge of security. What am I going to be able to do? It's a low risk at the moment, but more of a risk than we'd have thought of the World Trade Centre being blown up. I just really hope it was a single attack from a small group... If it is bigger and if America do retaliate we will have World War 3 happening right in front of us and I would rather it be a one-off terrible tragedy than just the beginning of a string of them.... Tom, With *I wish I was only concerned with my schoolwork* issues ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:50:10 -0400 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Something Freaky - ----- Original Message ----- From: "shawn e williams" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Something Freaky > hi sandy! where did u get that info from? and who is the guy you are > talking about? The link was posted at the top - it's off of usenet, in the alt.prophecies.nostradamus newsgroup. He went by the "nickname" Xinoehpoel, which is backwards for "Leo-Pheonix", which, according to a bit of research, "Pheonix" (notice the switching of the o and e) is the acceptable spelling according to a Kabalistian dictionary - Kabal is in Afghanistan, where Bin Ladin is expected to be. ~<3~ Sandy - - lavender haunted you, so I could only laugh in yellow - jewel - ..... http://www.envy.nu/angeloflove ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:56:00 EDT From: RunTontoRun@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Z100 HANDS I'm guessing that the people at Z100 took Jewels song hands, and put all of the events and people talking on it..... I was crying so hard..... I am really having a hard time with everything that's going on....... WHY .... I can't understand we didn't do anything, they didn't do anything...... :****( God Bless Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:56:57 EDT From: Fabsurfgrl@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] more consecuences.. I'm surprised this is the first realization of those on the list about the financial ramifications that all of this has on our country. NY is the financial backbone of this country. The people that have possibly demised in this act were the minds behind many of our financial endeavors. They cannot be replaced. Moreoever, we will be affected by higher prices on fuel, energy, and common goods - now, and even worse when the war escalates. There are going to be many stories such as this about people losing their jobs. The economic downfall is inevitable, and unfortunately, one of the main reasons the terrorists chose to hit where they did. I feel for you. Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:13:27 -0400 From: "David & Beth" Subject: Re: [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. A Jihad is a holy war in general regardless of the other's religious belief. When the Zealots overthrow the Shah it was a Jihad, as were the Crusades, etc. Palestinians are a sub-group of Arabs. Jordan is the Palestinian homeland as recognized by the 1948 UN resolutions, but the Jordanians consider Palestinians of the PLO variety lower class. Unfortunately there have been riots in New Jersey today because the Arab community in Paterson took to the streets dancing and celebrating and burning American flags. There are only a minority of Arabs, and in fact Palestinians who are actually Anti-Semitic. The majority are anti-Zionist. Of the anti-Zionists, only a minority believe in violence, but those who do are the most visible. As a Jew who has taken comparative religion and knows many Muslims I am well aware that the Koran teaches love of all religions, especially Jews, who are respected as an older religion, and the religion of Abraham father of the line of descendants that led to the profit Mohammed. We should not look to blame Arabs or Palestinians. We should blame those who commit the acts, and those who harbor them. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Pease" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. > > Abigail Greif writes: > >[...] > >3. In the Islamic religion, LIFE is NOT the upper-most value, as it > >is in Judaism and Christianity. In the Islamic religion, those values > >are land and Jihad (Jihad, in simple words, means to kill all Jews.) > >[...] > > > Hi Abigail, > > > I think I'll have to respectfully disagree with that statement, > although I'd certainly love to hear your thoughts in more detail. I'm > curious where you get the idea that one of the primary values of _Islam_ is > "land", although I do agree that Jihad is one of its major teachings. But, > I wouldn't characterize Jihad the way you define it, based on my (admittedly > limited) understanding of Islam. For a frame of reference, let's use the > Encyclopedia Britannica's write-up on Jihad (the following quote is taken > from the website -- > http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&p=url%3Aj/jihad ), which is more > or less how I understand it as explained to me by a Muslim friend: > > > "Jihad: In Islam, the central doctrine that calls on believers to > combat the enemies of their religion. According to the Quran and the Hadith, > jihad is a duty that may be fulfilled in four ways: by the heart, the > tongue, the hand, and the sword. [...]" > > > The justification for terrorism that's used (and, the > in-my-opinion-oversimplified definition that you've used) typically involves > a skewed interpretation & application of the last way -- "the sword" -- > essentially, make war on anybody who doesn't believe in your religion. But > don't forget the other three ways -- with the heart, the tongue, and the > hand. These three involve rigid adherence to the teachings of Islam by > resisting evil desires and thoughts, "preaching" (for lack of a better > word...) Islam to nonbelievers, and acting in accordance with the teachings > of Islam. Jihad isn't, and shouldn't be, solely defined as killing > non-believers. > > > Jihad, in it's traditional sense, does not mean "kill every nonbeliever > you can," or even "kill all the Jews" -- there may be some people out there > who have misinterpreted it to mean this, and act accordingly. But, in the > final analysis, Islam does not equal terrorism, and terrorism does not equal > Islam; In much the same way, Catholicism does not equal the Crusades, and > the Crusades do not equal Catholicism. Terrorism in general (and the > Crusades, since I mentioned them...) were and are wrong-headed, evil > applications of religious teachings to justify horrific acts, nothing more. > To say that these acts, and others like them, define major aspects of Islam, > Christianity, or Judaism, is incorrect. > > > Kevin ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #402 ***************************