From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #400 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, September 12 2001 Volume 06 : Number 400 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? ["The Quiet Angel" ] [EDA] message from the UK ["bob ster" ] [EDA] NJC: Article Worth Reading ["Kristie Biggs" ] [EDA] oh lordy ["Foxfire" ] [EDA] NJC: I'm sick of talking about this ["LH" ] [EDA] more consecuences.. [Uri Cancio ] [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. [Abigail Greif Subject: Re: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? Steve, I know that Kelli moved to the midwest, my concern was for Kelly Gallagher who just posted to the list today (leftychic@mail.com). Unfortunately I have yet to hear from Iris. I saw her IM signed on last night but no one responded to my messages. I may attempt to drop by her place in Uptown Manhatten, although I can't recall exactly where she lives. Here's to hoping that at least everyone dear to any of us are all right. Abel The Quiet Angel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven J Neville" To: "Jewel Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? > Hi all > > I know that some of the EDA's have been directly affected by this tragedy > and my thoughts go out to them. > > Do we know if other people (+ family and friends) on this list are safe? > > Abel, have you or anyone else heard from Iris, Kelli, etc? > > > Quietly reflecting on life and now celebrating each moment that he's alive: > > Steve Neville > The Aussie Angel called Taz Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:47:13 +0000 From: "bob ster" Subject: [EDA] message from the UK Angels, I know i speak on behalf of everybody here in the UK when i send my heartfelt sympathy and sorrow for the victims, their families and friends and the USA as a whole. Words just dont seem to be enough. Indeed, i dont think there are words to describe the situation you are all faced with. My only hope is that the perpetrators are found and a direct and unequivocable response is initiated. We are all in fear of terrorism. Its has been a fact of life for the British people for as long as ive been alive, but the attrocities commited in the UK and Ireland are nothing compared with the events that unfolded before the worlds eyes yesterday. My only hope and perhaps the only bright spot in this is that the worlds leaders will stand 'shoulder to shoulder' and make a concerted effort to erradicate terrorism and make it clear to all of those that are involved with terrorist activities that we will NEVER tolerate such behaviour in our supposed civilised world and that maybe now things will change for the better, even if overwhelming force is needed to achieve a lasting peace. Again, i send my deepest sypathies and condolences to all of America and i am sure i speak for whole of the UK. Take care all. BOB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:58:57 -0500 From: "Kristie Biggs" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Article Worth Reading I know no one really like forwards that much, but this article is worth reading. Please take the time and think about what it says. Subject: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES May this encourage Americans on a day like today. TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single American that has read this, TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Wong Subject: [EDA] Restoring Innocence Hello my fellow angels, Today begins a new day, the day after an event whose magnitude stunned even those who knew something like it could happen. I want to share some thoughts with all of you. We should not deny the feelings we experience. People experience grief in many ways, and they won't always coincide with other people. Some people will feel a need to lash out at others around them as well. This was a shocking tragedy, so please, do your best to accept the behavior of others as well as realizing that you, yourself, need to indulge in some emotion, which might include anger at those around you. There will be a strong desire to act decisively. This is, itself, part of the grieving process. I've already heard talk of bombing countries who have been tolerant of terrorism. I've heard talk about dramatic measures to be implemented, such as Logan airport ending curbside check-in and not allowing cars within 300 feet of the terminal. There's the usual talk of banning guns and now knives, though of course it would have been possible for the terrorists to have simply beaten/strangled their way into control of the planes. There's a natural desire to believe that if we had simply done more, this wouldn't have happened. The problem is that we can never ensure complete safety, and we must not let ourselves be paralyzed by this. The goal of terrorism is FEAR and ANGER. Through FEAR and ANGER, people and countries have done more to harm their lives than these cowardly terrorists ever could have. If we mistakenly sacrifice our sacred liberties for some temporary sense of security, we will eventually have neither. No, the true weapon to fight terror is FAITH. I speak not of religion, or of denial, but in the simple faith in the GOODNESS of people. There are beasts capable of unimaginable acts, yes, but to surrender to fear of them is give away victory without a fight. If we are never afraid of them, the terrorists have no power. Faith in our own goodness is all we really need. The Buddhists speak of an ability to remain the same regardless of what happens in the world. This is NOT something I ask of anyone. The point I want to make, rather, is that each of us, as an individual, has the choice of succumbing to fear, or of living life. This is what is needed to move past the feelings of helplessness and despair. To grieve is natural and right, for many good lives were lost. We may decide that certain actions and laws are needed, but these are not central. Ultimately, however, the failure or success of these terrorists will be measured by how we let our grief affect the rest of our lives. with faith in all of us, Ray Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl at best.com, negativl at netcom.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:26:47 -0500 From: "Foxfire" Subject: [EDA] oh lordy Okay I've been a member of this list for a bit over a year now, and it never ceases to amaze me how quickly so many self-proclaimed "Every Day Angels" leap at the throats of those who utter even slightly controversial opinions. I think people should THINK before they write. Is what you want to say going to contribute to a positive atmosphere or will it just add to the menial and trite negativity? I realize that yes, in writing this, I am a hypocrite, but you people need to just settle down and relax and stop impulsively attacking people. Kay that's about it. I'm off to class. - -Jay "We are everyday angels, be careful with me cuz I'd like to stay that way" ~"Sensitive" Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:32:44 -0500 From: "LH" Subject: [EDA] NJC: I'm sick of talking about this Apparently English is not your strong suit, so let me spell out what I've already said. I FULLY SUPPORT ANY RETALIATION !!!! It's not a matter of "not getting enough", but anytime this sort of thing happens you can't decide "Well, I know all of these people are into this stuff...let's just kill them all"....that's a real Hitler approach to things. The reason the USA is a great country is we make a serious attempt to do what is RIGHT. Sometimes we don't always follow that, but a lot of times we do. Your "Only so many people associated with this...activity"...shows you don't know a whole lot about this. There are LOTS of organizations who do this sort of thing and right now we can't even guarantee it was one of those organizations. It could be a country (state as they put it), or even a whole NEW organization you don't even know about yet. I guess you solution would just to start nuking the whole middle east huh ? It's not a hang up about "war" that some of us have. It's the intelligence and patience to sit down and figure out WHO and HOW to retaliate, not just start shooting at whoever we feel like. I'm done with this conversation. As people have already stated, this is ridiculous. There is a reason the US hasn't started just attacking whoever yet. It's war-mongers that have created a lot of unnecessary hatered in this world. They want any excuse to just go in, guns blazing. Military power must be wielded with patience and wisdom. I fully support military action, but only when we find the appropriate enemy, and I think it won't be hard. We have most of the world behind us. If we just start gunning down whoever we just suspect without evidence, we will have the entire world against us. As I said...it cannot be a war without a specific enemy. I'm not gonna respond to this conversation any longer. I'm done with this. Unless you are sitting in military intel or with officers involved at the highest level, you don't have any clue as to what is going on about all of this. I used to be there, I know. So let them do what they are good at and try to worry about what YOU can do from where you are instead of trying to tell us how we should feel about it. Matrix The DONE Angel. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:11:40 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Its not a war That is simply foolish...we just lost maybe 6 times the amount of people than we did at Pearl Harbor for Christ's sake! We will declare war on these states who sponsor terrorism...I guess you are one of the people who have not had enough of this barbarism yet to do anything about it. There are are only so many people associated with this kind of terroristic activity, are you saying we should not wipe them out? They should be allowed to keep on committing these type of atrocities? People seem to have a hang-up about the word "war"...in this case war may just simply mean ridding the world of a thousand of so of the world's worst vermine. Is there something wrong with that? Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:00:42 -0700 From: Uri Cancio Subject: [EDA] more consecuences.. This is nothing compared to the tragic lost of life yerterday and the uncertainty and fear that has been implated in our hearts forever, but my company sent me home, they told me that I was likely to be laid off next week. The company it's a coruier service that works with airlines and we do all the work for Airborne for Latin America and the Caribbean.We work closely with American Airlines and they advsd us that for now they won't take any packages other than passenger bags. I'm lucky since I don't have children or anything like that, I feel bad for the other co workers that are in such situations, single moms and others. I have no savings except the 401k that has about $600 in it, they will pay me the vacation I haven't taken plus 1 week. I have 3 weeks to find another job,I've been in that company for 7 years. But with God on my side I know I will find another job, it will be very hard right now with this situation, but I have faith. I'm luckier than all the people that lost their lives yersterday, and I will gather strenght and make sure I live my life to the fullest from now on and I will thank God every day for my blessings, I usually take him for granted, but not anymore. luv Uri , Lucky Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Abigail Greif Subject: [EDA] Palenstinians... A small elaboration. Joe wrote the things I've pasted below, but I thought it would not be fair to leave it at that... As an Israeli, who has HAD to live with the results of plestinian actions, I have had to learn to see their side of it as well. So here are a few more facts: 1. most of the, live in a third-world lifestyle, with no electricity or running water. 2. a lot of them could never afford to send their children to school or summer camps, not the sort we know. 3. In the Islamic religion, LIFE is NOT the upper-most value, as it is in Judaism and Christianity. In The Islamic religion, those values are land and Jihad (Jihad, in simple words, means to kill all Jews.) What I am trying to say is, that we have to look at ALL the facts. They are very poor people, in the most, and it's wrong to judge them ALL as evil because of the actions of a small fanatic group, BUT this also comes to prove what Israel has been trying to explain to the world for some time now... You can't make peace when only one side is interested. And you can't make peace to murderers of innocent people. In the modern world, Killers go to jail, not to heaven.... Abby The rare one *Israeli EDA* what Joe said: There is no mistake...these people are taught at an early age to hate 1)Israel 2)United States in that order. They are taught if they kill us (and themselves) with suicide bombs they will go right to heaven. When people have no regard for human life you see the result. Joe Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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