From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #399 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, September 12 2001 Volume 06 : Number 399 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] NYC [RussRive@aol.com] Re: [EDA] SHAME ON YOU! ["Devin Starr" ] [EDA] EDA's safe ??? ["Steven J Neville" ] [EDA] NJC: america ["Shannon Mackie" ] [EDA] To all Americans and supportors... [PENNY16161@aol.com] Re: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? ["David & Beth" ] Re: [EDA] This IS the place to ask if Jewel is OK enlight of the days' events. ["David & Beth" ] [EDA] NJC: WTC [leftychic@mail.com] [EDA] NJC: September 11 [WaIIfI0wer@aol.com] Re: [EDA] NJC: palestinians ["Joe Kunis" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: Its not a war ["Joe Kunis" ] [EDA] NJC: Something Freaky ["Shannon Mackie" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:32:10 EDT From: RussRive@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NYC To all list members: I urge everyone to calm down. Having been one block away from the now extinct buildings, I know what it was like to be at ground zero. Please let me clarify a few things. It is my opinion that many people were able to get out of the building safely and alive. Of course, I was in a building with a bunch of idiots who did nothing to get us out until the first tower collapsed. When we finally could get out of the building, it was black as night as it was only a couple of minutes following the first collapse. Some coworkers and I walked over the Manhattan Bridge to Brooklyn and several miles further toward Queens until we could obtain other transportation to send us toward our destinations. As far as declarations of war--only Congress can declare War. You cannot declare war against a nonpolitical entity and win (see War on Drugs). War has only been declared four times in our nation's history. World War II was the last one. An act of war is, in a sense, the opposite. The declaration of war would be in response to an act of war by an opponent. Without a political boundary or unit to declare war on, it is impossible to do. I'll be happy to try to answer some questions you have on my experience or whatever, but I'm safe, shocked, and playing golf tomorrow. Russell Rebel without a clue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:03:25 -0400 From: "Devin Starr" Subject: Re: [EDA] SHAME ON YOU! you know me and i dont attack.. but i did want to say something.. not everyone knew jewel was in new york. i didnt... and when i heard she was i though "i hope shes safe", but that was how i reacted for everyone.... yesterday america lost a lot of innocent people, and are working on signing the death certificate on many more people... and yes.. this is a jewel list.... but..... its also a human list... and as humans.. we lost a lot of family this week.. this happens all the time in other countries, but rarely we hear about it.. this time it struck home... and people are scared.. so they are talking to anyone and everyone trying to make sense of this..... if the majority of people on this list were from Israel, stuff like this would be heard by us everyday..... but would we still read it? Jess angel iwth broken wings. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:06 +1000 From: "Steven J Neville" Subject: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? Hi all I know that some of the EDA's have been directly affected by this tragedy and my thoughts go out to them. Do we know if other people (+ family and friends) on this list are safe? Abel, have you or anyone else heard from Iris, Kelli, etc? Quietly reflecting on life and now celebrating each moment that he's alive: Steve Neville The Aussie Angel called Taz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:40:58 -0400 From: "Shannon Mackie" Subject: [EDA] NJC: america Okay, new day - hopefully everything will have calmed down - I'm really getting tired of everyone's petty arguments!!!! I went to a vigil at my college yesterday with my university's pagan group - it was pretty nice - they had a religious leader for almost every religion - one time, right when one of the speakers had finished, the bell on Memorial Hall (our english dept. building) started to chime. I think we all took that to be a moment of silence. It was so beautiful sitting there, listening to the bell chime. Just thought I'd share that. Blessed be Hazy - the angel who is too small to give blood _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:45:18 EDT From: PENNY16161@aol.com Subject: [EDA] To all Americans and supportors... Today is US pride day. Everyone wear US colors (jeans are blue, everyone owns a white t-shirt, etc). Try to be wearing as much red, white, and blue as you can. Let's get the whole country into it! Brett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:56:15 -0400 From: "David & Beth" Subject: Re: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? This would seem to be a more appropriate topic...We hope that all the EDAs who live, work or go to school in the area or have family member in that situation come through this unharmed, and pray for them as well as the others touched first hand by this tragedy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven J Neville" To: "Jewel Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [EDA] EDA's safe ??? > Hi all > > I know that some of the EDA's have been directly affected by this tragedy > and my thoughts go out to them. > > Do we know if other people (+ family and friends) on this list are safe? > > Abel, have you or anyone else heard from Iris, Kelli, etc? > > > Quietly reflecting on life and now celebrating each moment that he's alive: > > Steve Neville > The Aussie Angel called Taz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:20:42 -0400 From: "David & Beth" Subject: Re: [EDA] This IS the place to ask if Jewel is OK enlight of the days' events. You obviously aren't getting the message. The point is that no person should be so involved in a performing artist that their first thought upon hearing of a national tragedy is about that person. Yes, we are members of this list, and therefore have more than a passing affinity for Jewel and her music, but let's get real. BTW-Jewel is a businesswoman, but the WTC is home to mostly financial houses, accounting and law firms dealing with the financial industry, and foreign corps, so it would be unlikely Jewel would be there, especially at 8:45 in the morning, and probably would not run over there after the first plane hit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Connell" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: [EDA] This IS the place to ask if Jewel is OK enlight of the days' events. > To those lambasting the person who asked if Jewel was out of NYC and > alright, shame on you. SHAME on you. > > She was just asking a perfectly fine question in THE place to ask. This was > the one of the only places to logically ask. > > It does not mean she was not concerned for all the others in the attack > regions. I am sure she was as we all were. > > I tried calling 14 people I know in NYC who live or work nearby the WTC. I > did not get through to any of them, but if I had my FIRST concern would > have and was them, as I know them. My secondary concern was for all others. > That is normal if you ask me. > > Of course Jewel still could have been in NYC. She has a record coming out > soon AND a single coming out this week. She would likely have been in > Manhattan too, and likely would have been on the lower half. Also, of > course she might have reason to be at the WTC. She is an entertainer which > makes her a businesswoman and the WTC is a place where many businesses were > located. Maybe her publisher has offices there. Maybe some Atlantic offices > are there. There are likely many reasons she'd have for being there. Maybe > not, but maybe so. > > The point is, this is the right place to ask. Afterall, many people wrote > MrBB and asked and they even tossed out a special JeweLink to announce they > were all out of the area. Did you think about THAT before you wrote and > lambasted the girl asking if Jewel was OK? > > This reminds me of the time Lenedra (Jewel's mom) was in India and > scheduled to leave for the USA on the very same day an airliner crashed in > India. Odds are Lenedra was not on the plane, but I called MrBB as soon as > I heard the news. He hadn't heard of the crash and then checked and found > out she was safe and sound. > > Yes I'm mad, > > Mike - the PO'd angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:01:48 -0500 From: "Kristie Biggs" Subject: Re: [EDA] re:WAR That is a very good point. Although Vietnam was technically only a "military action" it was most definitely a war. My father was a Marine in Vietnam and received a purple heart. For the rest of his life he was terribly affected by the events that transpired while he was in the service. He would hide in the closet and tremble, there were many Americans that were affected in this way. So whether or not this does turn into war I have no doubts that "declared" or not this has already become a personal war and in all likelihood will become an international war. Americans can NOT sit by and wait for further tragedies to transpire. If we do not act it shows weakness. Many will not agree with this statement, however it is the way of the world. We must choose an aggressive retaliation strategy if we want to remain the world leader. Kristie "Lend your voices only to sounds of freedom, no longer lend our strength to that which we wish to be free from. Fill your lives with love and bravery and we shall lead a life uncommon." Jewel >>> 09/11/2001 9:10:00 PM >>> Would you say that the Gulf War and the Vietnam War weren't wars just because they were never formally declared? In a message dated 9/11/01 6:58:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, angelicpoet@home.com writes: > Then don't say "this is war" when it's not a declared war. It's really not > that hard of a concept. I'm not going to call an orange an apple, if I > don't really mean that it's an apple....and I'm not going to call it an > apple because it's "close enough" to being an apple. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:13:36 +0800 From: leftychic@mail.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: WTC I'm still unable to believe that this has all happened, but the cloud of smoke visible from my front porch is evidence of the tragedy that delivered itself into the hands of the United States. I want to thank all of the EDAs for their concern and prayers. I am VERY fortunate to have my family safe, and sound, and accounted for. My father works every morning in each of the towers of the WTC. This week, he just happens to be on vacation celebrating his wedding anniversary. This is the second time he escaped a tragedy at the familiar buildings which once defined the NYC skyline, yet no longer exist. In 1993, my father wasn't feeling well, and skipped out of work early, 2 hours before the bomb went off in the garage of the WTC. My uncle is an FBI agent, and thankfully was sent on fieldwork in Fairfax Co, as opposed to coming into the office at the Pentagon yesterday morning. A cousin of mine, as of yesterday morning, had been locked down at work at the FAA building in DC. I hope that everybody's families are safe and sound, and my soul reaches out to those who are still trapped. I would like to remind NY & NJ EDAs to stay off of their cell phones, and keep those lines free. If you still have not heard from a loved one, do keep try calling. Right now, cell phones are playing a large role in rescuing individuals -- either phonecalls coming out of the rubble, or emergency crew workers hearing phones ringing. I do ask that we all continue to pray, and hold the affected individuals (NYC, DC, PA, innocent passengers, misdirected faithful followers of terrorists, etc) in our thoughts. I have yet to hear from one of my friends. He got a job 2 weeks ago as a firefighter in Brooklyn. This was a job he's always wanted, and was SO excited to finally get in. And now, nobody has heard of his safety yet. His name is Justin, though we only call him "Red". Thanks again, and God Bless. Kelly - -- _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:33:17 EDT From: WaIIfI0wer@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: September 11 Most of us will remember the eleventh of September, 2001 for the rest of our lives. I would like to offer my condolences to all of those people who lost friends and family. I would like to offer my hope to all of those who are still waiting. I remember the fear that washed over me the minute I saw the Pentagon building up in flames as I have a very dear friend who works there. I spent the morning in tears worrying and waiting for him to call (because I he cannot give out his phone number). I remember the relief I felt when he finally called and told me he was okay. I hope that all of you who are waiting to hear from friends or family have the opportunity to feel that relief. I offer my sympathies and my whole heart to anyone who has lost someone they love. If there is more I can do (I cannot send money because I have none and I am unable to donate blood) will someone please let me know. I am here for anyone who wants to talk. Feel free to e-mail me personally at eaburt1@aol.com and I will be happy to talk to you. Best wishes to our military. We need to remember that they are our loved ones too. Lets not point fingers and assign blame to mass groups of people. Lets do everything within our power to support our nation and move beyond this. If that means military intervention, then so be it. Right now, those of us at home need to focus on the PEOPLE that were affected by this tragedy. They are more important than the politics. Sincerely, Emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:51:02 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: palestinians There is no mistake...these people are taught at an early age to hate 1)Israel 2)United States in that order. They are taught if they kill us (and themselves) with suicide bombs they will go right to heaven. When people have no regard for human life you see the result. Joe > >They were saying on the news that that simple civilian celebration in >Palestine could have been misinterpreted - they aren't sure it's >Palestine... > > >Hazy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:11:40 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Its not a war That is simply foolish...we just lost maybe 6 times the amount of people than we did at Pearl Harbor for Christ's sake! We will declare war on these states who sponsor terrorism...I guess you are one of the people who have not had enough of this barbarism yet to do anything about it. There are are only so many people associated with this kind of terroristic activity, are you saying we should not wipe them out? They should be allowed to keep on committing these type of atrocities? People seem to have a hang-up about the word "war"...in this case war may just simply mean ridding the world of a thousand of so of the world's worst vermine. Is there something wrong with that? Joe >From: "LH" >To: >Subject: [EDA] NJC: Its not a war >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:19:56 -0500 > >I agree with the people who are saying that it's NOT a war or declaration >or >anything of the sort right now. A lot of people get emotional and they >cannot >find a way to express it except to start pointing fingers and making a list >of >people to take revenge on. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:15:07 -0400 From: "Shannon Mackie" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Something Freaky i personally don't think the people who hijacked the planes thought of this, but.... The flights that were Highjacked were from United and AA, they were numbered as follows: 11, 93, 175, and 77 11 = Yesterday's Date 9+3 = 12 = Today's Date 1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday 7+7 = 14 = Friday Hopefully this is a coincidence and the terrorists can't add. but if this is correct there will either be acts of terrorism every day for the next few days or a grand event the last day. Hazy - delaware angel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #399 ***************************