From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #369 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, August 29 2001 Volume 06 : Number 369 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Alright, NOW I've had enough. [Abigail Greif ] RE: [EDA] 3 constants in life: death, taxes and the ol' piss-and- moaners ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] NJC: Michelle Branch [shawn e williams ] [EDA] new songs [shawn e williams ] [EDA] stop [shawn e williams ] Re: [EDA] Standig Still [shawn e williams ] [EDA] Standing Still [ANGEL26096@aol.com] [EDA] New Wild West MP3 ["FabioJJ" ] [EDA] Jesus Loves You -- the lyrics =) ["Scott" ] [EDA] Rosy and Mick [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] I won't walk away question [Sokooletc@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Abigail Greif Subject: [EDA] Alright, NOW I've had enough. Hi EDAs, Those of you who know me know that I rarely post, especially these last few years. But this time I feel that someone really ought to speak up as the voice of reason on this list. What in the world happened to that lot of music loving people that was here when I joined, 5 years ago? The EDA to me was always this refuge. Something else to keep me away from my every day issues, to keep my mind off what's happening around me in the "real world". Well, these past few months, I have just been avoiding the emails. I just deleted most of them. It's not that I don't need them anymore - with my country being torn from inside, a distraction would be a blessed thing. But I am just tired of all this... This... commotion over such small, idiotic things. I've always felt that what connected the EDAs so well together was that they didn't just like the music, but also that they believeed in the ideas it stands for. Jewel's music has an ideology behind it. Her songs have a meaning that's a little deeper than some of the music played today. It's hard for me to sit here and read about people's hair colors, and how some of you loved this song and some of you hated it, and then you just break into a bashing party of each other (Dennis, I am SO disappointed in you for getting into that! I did not know that side of you. I still luv you though!) while the rest of the world is changing, and not in good ways. You people - americans mostly, have to really look far to see what is happening. but for me the war is in the back yard. I just don't have the time for this. I used to think that Everyday angels was more than just a line from a song. to me, at least, it had a meaning. Abby the rare one. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:24:30 EDT From: Tlcathome@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Lyrics for The New Wild West Since I never got around to finishing the post I started about the Nashville weekend, I just wanted to comment that the impression I had of the New Wild West was that it would fit perfectly as a theme song for a movie :-) On another note, I just wanted to comment that it is precisely the fact that Jewel's lyrics are varied in seriousness (sometimes profound and insightful and other times cute and childlike and even popish) that makes her music appeal to me so much - maybe it's just me :-) Okay, I'll shutup now ;-) One week until the kids go back to school!!! WOOHOO!!! :-) Tammy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:06:54 -0400 From: "Devin Starr" Subject: [EDA] I hate Valentines day Hay angels So.. to bring the list back to the point of craziness.. im gonna talk about .. ready for it? MUSIC!!!!!!! and better yet.. JEWEL'S MUSIC!!!!!!!! and its not even new stuff!! OMG. I was listening to a few of her songs... namingly When I Was With You, and Valentines Day.. and they almost sound improv-ed.. (especially Valentines day..) i was just wondering if anyone knew if Jewel on stage has an improv impulse? (i never seening her live, wouldnt know.. i missed her at Lilith fair gah!) getting back to the tunesJessangel with broken wings.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:42:04 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] 3 constants in life: death, taxes and the ol' piss-and- moaners Dennis left off one constant... (my posting that constant is pending right now) > Remember, my job on this list is to see that y'all enjoy life like a > child while still "playing nice with others"... > Practice what you preach then. > But that was the most concise, to-the-point email I've ever seen Mr. > Derrick post -- three less words and it would've been perfect. > Again, practice what you preach. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:42:54 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Owing the fans Well, I'm glad the Fritz Creek Store/Jewelstock Tape 4 post actually got some people talking about things. Just a few topics that came up I'd like to address quickly. First is that of "owing the fans." A true artist does what they/he/she wants and says to hell with the fans. True. However, there's a flip side to that coin. If it weren't for "the fans," Jewel would still be waiting tables in San Diego. She's thanked her fans many times in the past, most genuinely back when she was first starting to break through and be able to afford to live off being a singer, back when she was opening for Bob Dylan and her small tour in 1996 for example. So there's a duality to address. Why I don't like Spirit. Well, this is the case of an artist playing neither for herself nor for the fans. It's a record company trying to quickly cash in on an artist's success by putting out a radio-friendly pop record. Had Jewel disagreed with Atlantic or presented them with an album of say, country music, I am sure she would have been rebuffed. There are numerous recent examples of this that have happened to similar women artists. Sophie B. Hawkins's and Joan Osborne's most recent albums took years to get released, and in Joan's case on a different label, because their record companies thought their albums weren't commercially viable enough. It happened with Neil Young back in the early 80s when he was trying a more experimental sound. It happened to Aimee Mann, who was told her music was too artsy and not commercial enough. So when I say people siding with record companies and giving me the whole "It's their property, they can do what they want with it," I find it the equivalent of someone taking the side of an insurance company. These are greedy corporate scumbags with no appreciation for art or the artist. Their in it for, to quote Cosmo Kramer, the Big Mammoo(money). Encouraging stealing. I'm not encouraging it. I just said I enjoyed my copy of Dave Matthews Band's "Lillywhite Sessions" and how it got out or whatever isn't my problem. I traded for it, most everyone who has it got it that way. Are bands and artist's obliged to release everything they noodle around with in the studio? Of course not. If someone happens to "steal" those recordings and make a bootleg of it, will I buy or trade for that bootleg, of course. Once it's been bootlegged it's been bootlegged, it's not my problem. And note I make a HUGE distinction between studio material and live performances. A band or artist should be held responsible for their live shows, period. People are gonna tape them whether or not the band "encourages" it. They are being paid to perform in front of an audience, they are accountable for what they perform, be it crap or greatness. In the studio the concept of artistic ownership and property rights is something I hold to a high standard. They can leave whatever songs of an album or not release whole albums. That's their choice. But like I said, should someone leak those recordings, then they're already out and if I can hear those songs, I'll hear them. I may be against online music services conceptually, and if I were a musician, I wouldn't want people to be downloading my music for free and not getting a dime out of it. Fuck that. But when online music services were putting stuff out left and right, I took advantage of the fact that it was available and at the time legal. This could breed a whole argument about how, to use someone who posted's cookie analogy, about how "Isn't the person who eats the stolen cookie just as bad as the person who steals the cookie?" The answer by the way is Of course fucking not! The person who eats the stolen cookie is a person eating a cookie. The person who stole it is a thief. Does eating stolen cookies encourage theft? Hell no. And movies don't make kids shoot up schools. And Trainspotting and Pulp Fiction are not responsible for drug use. And of course prostitution should be legal. End of Dennis Miller-esque rant. Anyway, like I said, just a few things I wanted to respond to. I'm looking forward to the new album from Jewel, and would like to concur with all those who've agreed that it would be great to hear Fritz Creek Store recordings, hear Jewelstock Tape 4, or see the Jewelstock video. Oh, and to the question of meanness on the list. I try not to jump all over people. On the other hand, sometimes people say asanine things. Hell, I've prob'ly even said some over the years. Let's not be too harsh, but certainly let's not try to make this a place where everyone sits in awe and reverence of Atlantic and Mr.BB and Jewel just because we have a "relationship" with them and they've done things for us in the past. True fans are the most critical, not the least, because we know the artist has the potential for greatness, and whenever that artist falls short of greatness, we are that much more unsatisfied because we know it is beneath them and their abilities. Thanks for listening. Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:07:38 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: FW: [EDA] Owing the fans Sean said: >Oh, and to the question of meanness on the list. I try not to jump all >over people. On the other hand, sometimes people say asanine things. - ----------- I agree, and there seems to be an overwhelmingly large amount of that going on lately. > Let's not be too harsh, but certainly let's not try to make this a place > where everyone sits in awe and reverence of Atlantic and Mr.BB and Jewel > just because we have a > "relationship" with them and they've done things for us in the past. > I agree with this as well. I'm glad someone like Sean said this cause if I had I would have gotten a flame I'm sure from at least 2 people on this list. So thanks Sean! What some people don't realize is that there are ALOT of people who don't ever speak up on this list. Unlike myself, and Sean, and a few others maybe, there are many others who think certain things about certain people on this list, but will never say it. For whatever reason, they choose not to voice their opinion. And that's fine, because I know not everyone feels comfortable doing that. And others will voice certain things because they think it's what the masses want to hear. Then they'll go and talk behind those people's back's and say what they REALLY think. I know some things about some people on this list that would really bother many list members. Supposed "friends" who backstab each other all the time. How do I know this? Because they have told me. But, since this is a list, they like to please the masses, avoid conflict, etc. Which is understandable. So I guess all I'm trying to say is for no one to be too "sure" of what they read here. People who really know me, know how I am. And hopefully people who know others on this list, know how they really are. I have had the oppotunity to actually meet some people from this list in person. And some I've become good friends with. I know them better, they know me better. But at the same time, I also learn more about people that way, and am better able to tell how "genuine" those people are being when they send posts to the list. Some are, some aren't. And one of the most humorous things I've been seeing lately are posts about me by people who haven't the slightest clue about me. They know nothing about me, nothing about my morals, my values, my personality, etc. Yet they assume so much. There is only one word I can use to describe these types of people. IGNORANT. I could use other words too, like immature, jealous, insecure, etc., but I think ignorant is one that sums it up quite well. So to these people, thanks for being so clueless, for it you weren't, it might actually bother me. LOL Once again, thanks Sean...that was another insightful posts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:54:01 -0400 From: shawn e williams Subject: [EDA] NJC: Michelle Branch does anyone on here have her new cd? is it good? love ya, shawney the hippie angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:43:20 -0400 From: shawn e williams Subject: [EDA] new songs hi! i was wondering does anyone have any of the new Jewel songs performed at the concerts downloaded? or can someone tell me the names of the new songs? thanks! love ya, shawney the hippie angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:49:08 -0400 From: shawn e williams Subject: [EDA] stop why are some people complaining about the new songs? i heard most of "Standing Still" and i thought it was awesome! i remember everyone couldn't wait to hear new songs from the album, now most peeps are complaining! so please stop! b/c Jewel is the best singer ever! love ya, shawney the hippie angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:37:45 -0400 From: shawn e williams Subject: Re: [EDA] Standig Still what websites were these songs on again? and does someone have the lyrics for "I Won't Walk Away"?thanks! love ya, shawney the hippie angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:06:15 EDT From: ANGEL26096@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Standing Still anyone know where can I hear all of these new songs??? please let me know ~shianne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:02:13 -0300 From: "FabioJJ" Subject: [EDA] New Wild West MP3 Does anyone have the "The New Wild West" MP3?? I'm desperate to hear it!! Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:59:18 -0400 From: "Scott" Subject: [EDA] Jesus Loves You -- the lyrics =) Here are the lyrics.. The version she's been playing live is acoustic and really witty, but I bet the album version will ROCK from all the reports on the heavy loops and stuff that will be going on with it.. I bet it's going to be a whole new song practically.. Okay: JESUS LOVES YOU (BUT WHAT ABOUT ME) They say that Jesus loves you ...what about me? And they say that money breaks you ...well, I still wanna see They say that you're only half-alive Till you give extra whitening a try CHORUS: Well I wanna see I wanna see What can you do for me? Showin' ta-ta's on the tv is ok I wanna be ok too And having my picture in a magazine makes me special How special are you? They say if i don't hate Even I can buy a space in heaven before i die CHORUS: Well I wanna see I wanna see What can you do for me? BRIDGE: I want someone else to pack my lunch Gonna get someone else to pull the punch Oh, pay a psychic for romance Gonna pay a priest for a will-you-give-me-a-second-chance? They say abortion will send you straight to a fiery hell That is if the fanatics don't beat Satan to the kill It's not what i can do for anybody It's what their body can do for me So I wanna see I wanna see What can you do for me? They say that Jesus loves you ...but what about me? Great lyrics.. I love them =) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:42:10 EDT From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Rosy and Mick Does anybody have a high quality MP3 of this song? thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:27:52 EDT From: Sokooletc@aol.com Subject: [EDA] I won't walk away question This will be brief because I have to run: I won't walk away? I heard a song about a year ago and I still have it but it was just called "Walk Away" and the lyrics were a little different. She would say in the chorus "we had to walk away". Question is, is this the same song and was it just changed or what because I haven't had the time to get the newest songs. Hopefully I'll get to hear the newer songs you guys were talking about soon enough. I would also like to thank those who were honest in their reviews of the songs without showing bias towards Jewel. We all love Jewel or else we wouldn't be on this list (unless some of us just need people to talk to and have no idea who Jewel is). If, for example, you're a big fan of her folkier songs or a big fan of the deep more darker songs then maybe "Standing Still" isn't for you. That's fine and I'm glad we can be honest about it. I don't agree when someone says that you "have" to like the song because Jewel sang it. I love Jewel. I love almost every song but there were a few I came across, a very few, that I didn't like "as much" as the others. I didn't like "Fatboy" as much as the rest and I'm entitled to that opinion I think. But, again, listen to the music, not just the person. If we listened to the person only we would all be Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears fans right? Keith "the non-biased angel" ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #369 ***************************