From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #358 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, August 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 358 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Humphrey's review ["Elizabeth Nguyen" ] RE: [EDA] Re: to derrick k. ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] NJC: just sharing ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] Puyallup Show [Bluejagoda@aol.com] [EDA] SJC: EDAs,Gatherings, and Frtiz Creek Rant [Jason Vierling ] Re: [EDA] SJC: EDAs,Gatherings, and Frtiz Creek Rant ["Rowdy White" ] [EDA] Jewel & Sylvia Plath / Down [Mirko Serkovic ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:44:29 -0700 From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" Subject: [EDA] Humphrey's review Hey everyone! Well, I actually have a really long review in the process. It's just been really busy for me because I just moved into a new apartment and I'm working on the internet connection. I'm using a computer in a lab right now, so I can't really take my time writing my post. The review is for the Sunday concert and I talk about everything and some exact quotes too. Hmm .. are there lyrics to her new songs available? ~Elizabeth, the tennis-ball-whacking angel a.k.a. F8thnjewel@aol.com Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Perfect for the Jewel Kilcher Fan! Get your Free E-mail at http://jewel.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:53:19 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] Re: to derrick k. You guessed wrong, and I was joking about the 19 tracks. People around here are way too serious! - -----Original Message----- From: now and zen girl To: jewel@smoe.org Sent: 8/24/01 9:59 PM Subject: [EDA] Re: to derrick k. ok... i should probably send this to you privately, but im guessing you are bothering other people too... when i listed all those songs as tracks on the new album i didnt say that they were all going to be on there, so of course it wont be a 19 track album! also... standing still is a great song that will probably and hopefully be her new single... its one of my favorites out of the new songs. she sang it for the first time on the 19th at humphreys and it was excellent! alisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:12:09 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: just sharing Mike wrote: >That was NEVER the case. Then tell Sean this...since I quoted what he said. I didn't see any post countering this comment from him, so I figured it has to be true. And I do think I heard something about that as well back then. >See above. It was ATLANTIC'S doing. (and by their rights, rightfully >so). Thus, Jewel's "people". She works for Atlantic, they are her people. >Get off of it huh? He would be FIRED!!! Fired as in "no longer working >for Jewel and getting a paycheck signed by Jewel". Fired as "I know have >to put on that d*mn suit and get a new job". But for a million dollars, I'd chance getting fired from his job. :-) Everything has it's price. That's *all* I was saying. >Sheesh! What's so hard to understand about this? Nothing. I never said anything was. It's perfectly clear to me and has always been. So are people sending Sean these types of letters too? I wonder. Cause I really haven't said anything he already didn't. Just restating a few things, and seconding his thoughts. I've seen someone else since then agree as well. We're up to 3 now, or more I think based on some other letters I've seen. And these are just the ones coming forward. There are lots more I'm sure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:53:20 EDT From: Bluejagoda@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Puyallup Show hi, Anyone to whom I still owe tapes from a while ago for the Puyallup show; please contact me. My life is ripping apart at the seams with opportunities and stuff to do. But I'm going to sit down this time and get them done. Email your name, old email address you contacted me with (if it changed) your address, and the filler you wanted. I'm really sorry for postponing so much. But I want to get them done. Thanks, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 04:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Vierling Subject: [EDA] SJC: EDAs,Gatherings, and Frtiz Creek Rant >From: TiamoD@aol.com >Subject: [EDA] "Standing Still" thoughts and EDA >gathering >Hi Angels, > I want to thank Jason and Sonja for hosting a >great Cali EDA gathering/LRC event (Thanks for >letting me perform Jason). I met such warm and >genuine people and was reminded again, why I'm a >proud EDA. It was our pleasure Tiamo :) It's all part of the magic of the LRC experience and the simple pleasure of meeting your fellow EDAS. This simple sharing of music and genuine good company is why I am still an EDA to this date. In the past week I have seen startling examples of everything that I hold dear and converesly abhor about this ever-changing internet community. At the LRC and subsequent EDA encounters this past weekend I met and came to know a bit better a few of the more gregarious EDAs descending on Southern California. People came to my home that have ceased to even bear the classification of only "EDA" to me, but are simply now my dearest and truest friends and I cherished their addition to my life. These same friends (old or new) all gave of themselves to enliven a EDA tradition, in the hopes of furthering an effort to help others. No matter their motivation or currency, several EDAs spent themselves enriching the memories and spirits of their fellows (as have countless others over the years) by seeking each other out and giving what they had to share. Many gave without the thought that much of anything might come their way in return, and I assure you (sorry to say) that some were "rewarded" for their efforts in just this way on Sunday. But to a one (of the ones I have spoken too), they all agree that this weekends EDA encounters were well worth the price and I agree with them wholeheartedly. I am already looking forward to our next endeavor. However, by this do I mean to imply that I feel that you all (as EDAs) owe this to me should we ever meet? Not at all, but I do feel that we as people or even human beings owe it to each other to at least explore that possibility of that respect first. Drawing lines in the sand becomes a distant second in my mind to a truly honest discourse. If I have something to share I (personally), will do so if it is mine by right to do so and perhaps even because I feel it will be appreciated when received. If someone were to suggest to me that I should entertain someone in my home or give of my posessions simply because I have given that way in the past or merely to satisfy some slavering want on the part of another, then I would tell that person to take a walk (to put it mildly). For members of this list to cry out in "dissent" over whether or not ANY person ANYWHERE has a legal/moral right to their property and ability to choose maintain that right only at the expense of others greed and avarice is entirely ludicrous. Unfortunatly, there are those that fail to grasp the concept of simple respect on this list and I know I can count on them to make it apparent who they are (if they already haven't) and why I feel this way about them from time to time. To call for the outright theft from or coercion of any party to force a favorable result for oneself in any situation is contemptable. We have been asked to follow certain wishes (while at times seeming outdated or even unrealistic) by Jewel or the "J-Team" in exchange for a extended good-will or special consideration. Do I think a quid pro quo is the reason why this list should seek as a majority to follow these desires? Out of fear we might lose another Jewelstock or Sessions or what have you? Absolutly not. While I think that is obviously a factor, I think these wishes have been maintained thus far by those that know/recognize them simply because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. If I ask someone not to eat my cookie and they do...THAT IS WRONG. I don't care how stale the cookie is, how long I left it on a shelf, if I left the room, how many cookies I gave them in the past, if the cookie is their favorite kind, favorite color, or even if they just really, really coveted that cookie. It's mine to dispose of...Period. But I tell you this, I would be very hard pressed to ever EVER give of myself to that person again. I had the good fortune to meet Chuck (head of J-Merch) at the merchandise table on Sunday and we were commiserating our how neither of us had the opportunity to attend Nashville (I having a 1yr old with medical conditions unsuited to travel). During our conversation he found it within his generosity to give me a Nashville t-shirt so that I could at least have a piece of this event. Later, I had the chance to discuss with some EDAs the Nashville concert and some of the incredible circumstances (not the positive kind) surrounding that affair and I was amazed. Did Chuck think that shirt would buy a fan? Obviously not, since he recognized me as the "LivingRoom Concert guy from the list" just by the mention of my name and knew I was a die hard fan. Do I think he did it because we had a life-bonding moment that will endure through out the ages? Of course not, he could only hope that I wouldn't sully that offer of respect as many of the members of the list have done over the years over the slightest inconvenience, difficulty, or perceived possibility of increased gain. Conversly, I can only hope that someday I will be able to share with Chuck something as memorable as his gift was to me. The inescapable fact remains that he didn't have to and it was his desire to do so (with what he knew he had available to him to share). Also inescapable is the fact that despite many such Jewel-event instances (costing the J-Team and Jewel sometimes great inconvenience and expense), time and time again Jewel and company have made this list a priority to a degree to which they are not required (which is not at all) only to be visited by cries of IT'S NOT ENOUGH (albeit from a small but vocal minority)! Wheedling and whining, ranting and raving, those that feel themselves owed or due will keep finding that respect slip ever farther from their grasp. So they continue on with only the thought of being as great a nuisance as possible to all involved to sustain them. Would I love a full Bearsville set or Fritz Creek to show up at my door one day? Yes I would. But I would have to temper my enjoyment with the knowledge that it had been given to me with under the auspices of someone empowered to do so. If not so given, then the beauty I would normally find therein would be buried under the taint of it's delivery. While I am not naive to believe that everyone now or even a continuing majority will uphold these beliefs, I do hope to cut through the veil a bit and illuminate the plain and simple fact that we are not due or owed anything except a chance to try an exchange of respect...and then only until we prove otherwise. So while I know there will always be people on this list griping for more more more, I know that I too will be here to raise MY voice and say that there are those here ready for that exchange and and in fact already practicing it amongst themselves. Everything one wants isn't worth taking should you have to wrest it from another, thereby lessening yourself and the goal you strive so hard to attain. Asking for a cookie is one thing, but have the decency not to pilfer it or have a tantrum if you don't get one (or two or ten). Take Care Angels, Jason V PS Kudos to Rowdy for taking a possible situation for gain (owning multiple copies of Luna's album) and making it a entertaining and giving way to share with his fellow EDAs. You da man. ===== EveryDay Angels Foundation (visit at www.edaf.org) Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:09:26 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] just sharing Derrick posted: >Mike wrote: > >That was NEVER the case. > >Then tell Sean this...since I quoted what he said. I didn't see any post >countering this comment from him, so I figured it has to be true. And I do >think I heard something about that as well back then. You did not *quote* what Sean said. You paraphrased it with more details that made what you said untrue. Re-read what Sean said on this and then read what you said. They are different. While Seans' was true to a point, it was also off slightly as his wasn't clear and detailed as yours was and you could take his more than one way....yours was just way off because you were more detailed and incorrect. What Sean said: >Although, even then, there is a 4th Jewelstock tape >that none of us have, and we all sit down and take it like contented little >lambs. The original reason for not releasing this 4th tape containing the >"electric" songs Jewel performed with her band at Jewelstock was because >Jewel was supposedly thinking of releasing some of the songs on legitimate >releases. Well, it's 5 years later, that excuse doesn't work anymore. That is true to a degree. "Some of the songs" does not mean the *exact same recordings* (i.e. the material from JewelStock tape 4). Jewel (and the overall Fritz Creek Store production team) WAS thinking of releasing some of the songs on a future release.....that being Fritz Creek Store. While I feel Sean may have also been alluding to a release other than Fritz Creek store, he did not come flat out and say it. (I want to address Seans' post too.....just need to find the time :-) What you/Derrick wrote: > I agree that both >should have been released long ago, either officially or unofficially. And >yes, that excuse of the tape 4 from JS being used in a later official >release has long worn out it's "invite". That's just not true. It was the *video of the whole show(s)* they had "another project in mind". (which of course may or may not have included all or part of the band material that is known as "Jewelstock tape 4". There's certainly over 5 hours of video footage from the two JewelStock shows. Some of Friday's show is better than Thursdays and vice-versa. Hard to say if the "project in mind" would have been either show in it's entirety or a mix & match of both shows. Anyhoots....my main point in replying is that you stated something that was not true and not a quote of what Sean said. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:22:55 From: "Rowdy White" Subject: Re: [EDA] SJC: EDAs,Gatherings, and Frtiz Creek Rant Thank ye jason for the kind words... Alas, my motives are not quite that clean. I do enjoy giving things away when I can, but there is a dual motive behind my contest.... 1. Try to remind people that they'll prolly remember the great time they had with EDAs after a show more than some damn concert setlist. 2. To increase Luna's fan base any way that I might, one fan at at time if need be. My fellow TXEDA, Derrick (whom I have wanted to strangle several times over the past months) has chided me over this, but... Well, She and I are friends, but apart from that I really love her music, and want to hear it on the radio. So this little promotion thing has turned into both a hobby and a mission. ;-) - ------------------- And with that in mind... Luna is leaving for Europe for a couple of months, but after that will be moving to North Cali (sacramento). She has shown interest in EDAF projects... Last november we got her to do a LRC for food and warm clothing down in houston. Texas' loss might be ya'lls gain... So, if in the coming months you are looking for another/extra performer for a LRC you might give her a ring at wildermond@hotmail.com or check out her site at www.lunataylor.com. Okay, Okay, I'll stop the promotion for a few minutes! :-) Anyway, It was good to hear from you, and congrats on the gathering the other day... take care Rowdius PS, speaking of stories and such, I really liked article you wrote at the EDAF site! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:50:27 -0400 From: "Amanda" Subject: [EDA] RE: Just sharing Derrick Wrote Thus, Jewel's "people". She works for Atlantic, they are her people. ummm derrick.... i think ya might be confused again.... Jewel is atlantics people... they are not hers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mirko Serkovic Subject: [EDA] Jewel & Sylvia Plath / Down Hi everyone, Jewel has definetelt read Sylvia Plath, right? Because she has a poem title "Morning Song" and another one "Daddy". I think most of you know already about "Daddy" but I just found out that she had one called "Morning Song". Do you think Jewel was inspired by these poems to write these songs? Perhaps inspired by that idea to produce something different? What do you think? I think "Daddy" has the same sarcastic tone, although Jewel emphasises more by singing Daddy almost at the end of every verse, with her cute voice which then gets very rough. I can't tell about "Morning Song", they don't seem alike for me. I also wanted to ask if anyone of you have an old version of "Down" (i.e. from the Pieces Of You era) in mp3. I once donwload a GREAT version from the song from 'Simply Jewel' in real audio, which started with Jewel playing acoustic guitar first, instead of electric. And I like it better because she actually sings the part "Underneath the twilight...", so if anyone has it, please tell me! :) Thank you, Mirko Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #358 ***************************