From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #181 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, May 7 2001 Volume 06 : Number 181 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] This gay marriage thing??? [Clm4ever1248@aol.com] [EDA] Re: Guitar Tab [IMQTTMJ@aol.com] Re: [EDA] This gay marriage thing??? ["Sandy" ] [EDA] Re:Gay Marriage [PrlNcESs731@aol.com] [EDA] God ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [IndyFilmJewel@aol.com] [EDA] Re: to gay or not to gay [FLoWeR2227@aol.com] Re: [EDA] gay?-marraige?-holy? ["Joe Kunis" ] [EDA] Shakespeare or Socrates? [JeWeLzKeWL@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" ["Joe Kunis" ] Re: [EDA] Shakespeare or Socrates? [Gerrit ] Re: [EDA] gay?-marraige?-holy? [Gerrit ] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [Gerrit ] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" ["Sandy" ] NJC: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [Lucas Holt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:04:26 EDT From: Clm4ever1248@aol.com Subject: [EDA] This gay marriage thing??? How did this whole thing get started...could someone please explain to me??? How does it have to do with jewel? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:56:17 EDT From: IMQTTMJ@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: Guitar Tab Hello everyone, this is only like my 4th time writing to the list, i am very quiet, sorry for that, but i am in need of some help. I am looking for sheet or tab music for jewel songs on the web. If anyone knows of any sites i could find any on i would be very greatful. I am paticularly looking for songs from Jewelstock. If someone knows where i can find anything, e-mail me privately. Thank you so much in advance. Tienna(imqttmj@cablespeed.com, aol.com) an angel in need of help ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:13:38 -0700 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] This gay marriage thing??? > How did this whole thing get started... Someone asking why Ty & Jewel don't get married...then someone asking what stops a couple from getting married besides being unable to marry if you are gay...then I had to go open my mouth and say you could get something similar to a marriage if you are gay in Canada... >could someone please explain to me??? > How does it have to do with jewel? Once it branched off from that one single comment, it has absolutely nothing to do with Jewel, but we aren't just here to talk about Jewel, we're here with a common "love" for Jewel to discuss things, and I believe discussing social issues such as these, as long as we keep the discussion open minded, free of insults and anger, is very good not only for our soul, but to grasp ahold of the feelings of other. When it comes down to it, it's not *so* off topic if you consider that Jewel is very involved in social aspects, community, society, and views on those, just by reading her books, poems and song lyrics, you can see that. I think she'd be glad to know that we aren't on here 24/7 just worrying about what make up she's wearing, when her record will be done, and why she isn't touring the world....she's inspired us to discuss very important though controversial aspects of life, and by discussing them, we can only learn :) ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:14:47 EDT From: PrlNcESs731@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re:Gay Marriage Hi people, I haven't posted in quite some time, but I couldn't hold my breath any longer when I saw the recent debate on the whole gay subject. I understand that some people are threatened by what they don't understand. I , myself used to look down on gays....that is, until I came out! Now that I've gotten in touch with who I really am, I'm so much happier and don't feel that anyone like me deserves to be criticized over sexual orientation. People who judge others so critically need to step back and take a good look in the mirror. Stop spending so much of your precious energy on hatred. Life's too short.... ~Sue~ P.S. I just moved from NJ to Las Vegas...are there any angels out here??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:41:26 -0500 From: "Brown" Subject: [EDA] God It's this "love for god" that destroyed, and continues to destroy many cultures around the world like a religious cancer. This "Love for God" fuels much of the hatred and lack of acceptence in the world outcasting the understood...This "Love for God" has raged many attrocious wars, and continues to do so in many small countries such as Afghanistan, as well as playing a role in the war for Jeruselum.Organized religion is a very evil thing to open eyes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:36:30 EDT From: IndyFilmJewel@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" << It's pretty pathetic...we now have to re-define the word "marriage" to suit people who choose to live socially unacceptable lifestyles. The word marriage has always meant one thing and one thing only: The holy union of a man and a WOMAN, usually with the intent on bringing children into the world. Where does this madness end? Nobody really cares what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms, no one says they can't live together, but it is NOT A MARRIAGE! Just another example of fringe ideas trampling on the institutions that made this country great. JOE>> Let them do what they want. Who cares if it's two guys, or two girls, they love eachother and that's all that matters. If they want that to be eternal by marriage, let them be. Have you ever thought that they might want to bring children into this world? Such as Sperm Banks, and Adoption? Melissa Etheridge and her partner did it. Just please think, maybe your definition of marriage isn't the same as someone elses, besides, it's no sweat off your back. The Film Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:41:46 EDT From: FLoWeR2227@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: to gay or not to gay Joe, i haven't said anything online here in awhile, but your response caught my attention. i happen to be friends with many gay people, believe in equal rights for gays, and even carry a gay pride rainbow on my bookbag (i'm 17 :). I did my public policy paper for government on gay marriage, and fully believe in it. also, i learned that studies have shown the children of gay parents are just as well adjusted as the children of straight parents. love is love. you can't stop that, and i know that government wants to, but its going to be a long fight. civil unions are available in vermont, but they only offer 300 out of the 1,000 legal/medical rights that marrige gives. i know money isn't everything, but its important when you are trying to support sourself (and a loved one). think about it, what would legalized gay marriage be hurting? noone. some women or men get married to a partner of the opposite sex when they are homosexual because it is the "normal" thing to do. they are afraid to live a life style that most classify as weird or unnatural. i believe that way of thinking is ignorant and hateful. gay people would be happy if they could just BE WHO THEY ARE and not worry about the closeminded people of the world. Peace. p.s. did anyone see But I'm a Cheerleader? it is hilarious! its about this lesbian who is sent off to "straight camp" by her parents to reform her ways. obviously in the end she learns to just be who she is. go see it! "to thine own self be true"~William Shakespeare's Hamlet *Rose* The Artistic Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:44:33 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] gay?-marraige?-holy? Hey Sitting Bull, pipe down! You have a very distorted sense of history! Christopher Columbus was a European (yes I know you probably can't stomach the word European), who did discover this continent. Of course there were people here before him, and they made a life for themselves the best they could. What a joke...I've heard people like you in the past, claiming if it wasn't for the white man great Indian civilizations would be flourishing blah blah blah. Do you really wish you (people on this list!) grew up in the Native American Indian version of what America would be? Do you think we would be a land where people from hundreds of countries would yearn to come to escape tyranny and oppression? Do you think the natives would have came up with the idea of a Democratic Republic with 3 co-equal branches of government with checks and balances to see to it eventually that the minority would not be oppressed by the majority? Would they have built this nation into the greatest nation on earth? If your answers to any of these questions are yes, please just sit there quietly and take your brain medication! The country is what it is because we were beneficiaries of the genius and ideals of the most sophisticated men ever on the planet, the 18th century Western Europeans (put your hankies away when done crying...). Sounds like you don't like this country very much, pal. It's very telling that you decided to stay though. Cry all you want about the "evil Europeans", maybe one day you can see how truly lucky you are despite your ignorance. JOE (no apologies for being a white guy) >we were not "discovered" we knew where we were all along. though I believe >that everyone has the right to believe what they want I think the narrow >mindedness of all this is a bunch of crap. the white man introduced all the >known diseases' we now have, they stole and raped our mother's and >daughters, >tried to commit genocide of our race, tried to force us to believe in a >religion that was not our own, lied and cheated, stole our land, >desecrated >our environment, polluted our rivers. and lived lives anything but >harmonious >w/ nature. _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:53:52 EDT From: JeWeLzKeWL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Shakespeare or Socrates? "to thine own self be true"~William Shakespeare's Hamlet..didn't Socrates say that first? Just wondering..anyone know who said it or whatever? - -Jade ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:58:27 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" Really? Not close-minded, just wanting to have some sanity in this country. I know the "anything goes" crowd on this list has a problem with it, so I guess you're all very proud of 2 people from the same sex laughably trying to call what they want a "marriage". What a slap in the face to the countries' foundation. How can you make the comparison of people of different ethnicities to people of the same sex???? I've heard absurdity before, but that takes the cake! Don't worry...I'm awake, but when I hear liberal mush like this I sometimes wish I wasn't. JOE >From: KissTheFlame720@aol.com >To: Jewel@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" >Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:54:34 EDT > . a long time ago, >black and white people wernt allowed to get married and now they are, so i >think that in due time that gay and lesbians will be allowed to get >married. >you need to wake up... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:06:00 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] Shakespeare or Socrates? Jade (JeWeLzKeWL@aol.com) wrote: > "to thine own self be true"~William Shakespeare's Hamlet..didn't Socrates > say that first? Just wondering..anyone know who said it or whatever? Yes, Socrates is the person who is attributed with that quote. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:04:08 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] gay?-marraige?-holy? Maybe apologies are in order for being a little too patriotic tho. ;P And from that post, you're to criticize others for ignorance? Gerrit Joe Kunis wrote: > > Hey Sitting Bull, pipe down! > You have a very distorted sense of history! Christopher Columbus was a > European (yes I know you probably can't stomach the word European), who did > discover this continent. Of course there were people here before him, and > they made a life for themselves the best they could. What a joke...I've > heard people like you in the past, claiming if it wasn't for the white man > great Indian civilizations would be flourishing blah blah blah. Do you > really wish you (people on this list!) grew up in the Native American Indian > version of what America would be? Do you think we would be a land where > people from hundreds of countries would yearn to come to escape tyranny and > oppression? Do you think the natives would have came up with the idea of a > Democratic Republic with 3 co-equal branches of government with checks and > balances to see to it eventually that the minority would not be oppressed by > the majority? Would they have built this nation into the greatest nation on > earth? If your answers to any of these questions are yes, please just sit > there quietly and take your brain medication! > The country is what it is because we were beneficiaries of the genius and > ideals of the most sophisticated men ever on the planet, the 18th century > Western Europeans (put your hankies away when done crying...). Sounds like > you don't like this country very much, pal. It's very telling that you > decided to stay though. Cry all you want about the "evil Europeans", maybe > one day you can see how truly lucky you are despite your ignorance.> JOE (no apologies for being a white guy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:13:43 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" True enuf that their argument holds no water. However, since when are same-sex relationships insane? And since when does this country's foundation have anything to do with marriage? If anything, this country has been a slap in the face to traditional marriage. Gerrit Joe Kunis wrote: > > Really? Not close-minded, just wanting to have some sanity in this country. > I know the "anything goes" crowd on this list has a problem with it, so I > guess you're all very proud of 2 people from the same sex laughably trying > to call what they want a "marriage". What a slap in the face to the > countries' foundation. How can you make the comparison of people of > different ethnicities to people of the same sex???? I've heard absurdity > before, but that takes the cake! Don't worry...I'm awake, but when I hear > liberal mush like this I sometimes wish I wasn't. > > JOE > > >From: KissTheFlame720@aol.com > >To: Jewel@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" > >Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:54:34 EDT > > > . a long time ago, > >black and white people wernt allowed to get married and now they are, so i > >think that in due time that gay and lesbians will be allowed to get > >married. > >you need to wake up... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:40:16 -0700 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" > Really? Not close-minded, just wanting to have some sanity in this country. > I know the "anything goes" crowd on this list has a problem with it, so I > guess you're all very proud of 2 people from the same sex laughably trying > to call what they want a "marriage". What a slap in the face to the > countries' foundation. It is being close minded...you aren't willing to be open to what other people experience in love. You seem to think that marriage is just *one* thing...it's not. Look all around the world, where people practise polyandry and polygyny...where people have "arranged" marriages, which is not based on love at all....where people have common law relationships and raise a family still. A long time ago homosexuality was actually not only accepted in many cultures, but they were allowed to marry. Who are you to judge and decide that the *ONLY* form of marriage, that between a single man and a single wife, is socially acceptable? Your country was not founded on marriages, therefore it's not a slap in the face to anyone...besides, where would anyone be if we didn't learn through the years and PROGRESS.... you want to go back to the marriages from when the country was founded? Better establish yourself in the world than grab a 12 year old girl and hook up, because that's what marriage used to be. Things change during progression...we learn new things, we accept new things. If you want to take this from "God's" point of view...he teaches you to love, and that all love is divine, and that it's not up to you to judge...so what do you think you're doing? Two people joined in love....any two people, whether they be same sex, opposite sex, same ethnicity, different ethnicity...they're joined in love and who are you to draw a line as to how they express their love? to say that their love is any less true or less real than the love between a man and a woman? ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:51:00 -0400 From: Lucas Holt Subject: NJC: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" You say he's a faggot, does it make you want to hurt him? You say he's a faggot, do you want to kick in his brain? You say he's a faggot, does he make you sick to your stomach? You say he's a faggot, are you afraid you're just the same? Faggot, Faggot, do you hate him Cause he's pieces of you? from -- Jewel, "Pieces of You" Joe Kunis wrote: > Really? Not close-minded, just wanting to have some sanity in this country. > I know the "anything goes" crowd on this list has a problem with it, so I > guess you're all very proud of 2 people from the same sex laughably trying > to call what they want a "marriage". What a slap in the face to the > countries' foundation. How can you make the comparison of people of > different ethnicities to people of the same sex???? I've heard absurdity > before, but that takes the cake! Don't worry...I'm awake, but when I hear > liberal mush like this I sometimes wish I wasn't. > > JOE - -- Lucas Holt Luke@FoolishGames.com ___________________________________________________ http://www.foolishgames.com/ "for the silent miles of dirt roads Our eyes busy reading the signs (on the days we took the car)" - -- Jewel ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #181 ***************************