From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #156 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 06 : Number 156 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE:[EDA] Jewel"Normal" [BuilderwalksUSA@aol.com] Re: RE:[EDA] Jewel"Normal" ["cymbaline" ] Re: [EDA] Jewel"Normal" [BuilderwalksUSA@aol.com] [EDA] about the article [Jewelsmj1@aol.com] Re: [EDA] *NJC-Coldplay [RachKat926@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Jewel"Normal" ["Lorrie Stewart" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:41:58 EDT From: BuilderwalksUSA@aol.com Subject: RE:[EDA] Jewel"Normal" Jewel is not a "normal person." She has seen countries most would only dream of going to, been adored by millions, while held within a little bubble her record company has fashioned for her. The mere fact that we have been mulling this over for the last three days shows that. To hold her in the esteem of what you see as "normal" would probably be far and away inappropriate to the absurdist and exhaustive work she has to endure. For her extensive work in fields of charity, she will likely someday get a Nobel. I doubt she would speak of the wars fought over her here, but from the most passionate wars comes the most serene peace. As to her "cruel treatment of others," in the first place, even IF she has intentionally mistreated a few, which I HIGHLY doubt, millions are helped every day thanks to her. She would doubtless agree with your wanting to help charity, but in saying "we" hate the book, do you mean you know others who hate it? Merely using the same word in conjunction with Jewel is offensive to many, I am certain, and its a single word like that which leads to people writing hurtful things. Some people get up in the morning ready to crucify someone for what they don't say. She took the writings from old journals, what do you expect? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:24:33 -0400 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: RE:[EDA] Jewel"Normal" So anyone who sees other countries, and is famous.... is not a normal person? Haha.... regardless of fame, she's a HUMAN BEING just like you and me. There's no denying that. Just because she grew up poor, lived in a van, became amous, and has a charity does not make her a superbreed, but rather a NORMAL HUMAN BEING doing what she LOVES. cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus > Jewel is not a "normal person." She has seen countries most would only dream > of going to, been adored by millions, while held within a little bubble her > record company has fashioned for her. The mere fact that we have been mulling > this over for the last three days shows that. To hold her in the esteem of > what you see as "normal" would probably be far and away inappropriate to the > absurdist and exhaustive work she has to endure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:06:29 EDT From: BuilderwalksUSA@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel"Normal" In a message dated 4/21/2001 9:03:55 PM Central Daylight Time, BuilderwalksUSA writes: << Normal 3 : a form or state regarded as the norm Well, you got it right with the first statement. Would you call Tori Amos normal, or Elvis maybe? Not everyone has A:Grown up in Alaska B: become a Platinum artist C: Donated millions to charity, or D: Had millions weep to hear their voice. These are not "normal" achievements. Some might say she is not a "HUMAN BEING," some might say she is a human doing. Some might say she is a superbreed, after seeing how her direct lineage is of such greatness as to help institute a state which is nigh impossible for "normal" people to survive in. I have seen Alaska, met scores of people from Alaska, and they are far from "normal" as is. The character of Jewel, I believe, is best found not in her doing what she loves, so much as doing what she needs so what she loves may thrive. I.E. the charity,( and by the way, most people do not start their own charity, so it is not "normal") Inspiring the masses with her words, not the cheerleading, which as she said she tires of. To close, normal things very rarely happen to superstars, so they cannot, as being shaped by environment, be entirely "normal." She is like a fragile fruit, handled between millions of people. The few who are close enough to have the honor of being her friends must handle her with an abnormal gentleness, and understanding. Your "normal" world would tear the stars apart if they were made relative to it. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:07:29 EDT From: Jewelsmj1@aol.com Subject: [EDA] about the article I know that a lot of people have responded and you don't have to read it, but I wanted to get my two sense in. This whole "issue" gives me the same feelings I had when Clinton's "affair" with Monica Lewinski came out. It's no one's business but the immediate family. It seems like people can go through their lives with so many skeletons and stuff and it's not made public. However, when it comes to someone famous, we can't just leave them alone. They are here to entertain us. Whether it be acting, poetry, music, etc... That is the stuff that we should care about. Not the crap that is going on in their personal lives. Personally, her family probably made it public to make some money off of it. It is my personal experience that when one person in a group of friends, family, etc... gets famous, people get jealous. They do things out of jealousy only. But, that doesn't mean that we have to make a deal out of it. It's really not our business. Just my personal opinion, sorry if I offend anyone with it. Thank you for listening. Love, Sarah "the sort-of disgruntled angel" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:12:20 EDT From: RachKat926@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] *NJC-Coldplay I second that recommendation-- they're incredible! "Yellow" is great and Parachutes is a wonderful CD. Highly recommend! ~Rachel~ The nothing angel tonite ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:48:27 -0400 From: "Lorrie Stewart" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel"Normal" The whole normal thing... blah... what is normal anyway? is there a such thing? or is it just what society tells us we should be? Nobody is normal. Jewel has extraordinary qualities, just like other people. Because she has a celebrity status, doesn't make her a super-human. Yes, she has an effect on people. So do you. Americans are so fixated with celebrity status, it's rediculous. I'm as comfortable listening to Jewel's music, as I am listening to the kids down the block. I write music, poetry, and stories. Just because I haven't been 'discovered' or haven't 'touched millions of lives' does that make me any less of a human than Jewel is? How many people would start a charity? not very many... does that make the people who don't, any less human? I'd like to start my own school, and I'd rather not be considered a super-human for doing that. Jewel is a human being. She's not super-woman. She got lucky. I'm not trying to put her down. But that's all it is. here. a quote from the afterward of 'a night without armor': "As a child watching television and reading magazines, I felt separate from what seemed to be a race of people who were born extraordinary, with no problems, no hate, no abuse, no hurt As I became a celebrity myself, I began to feel I was part of the perfect persona media game, and thus part of the same force that confused me as a child. A night without armor was my way of stepping outside of that persona to show myself honestly, as Ive developed over the course of time. I thought it was important to include poems from my early years, even if they lacked the technical skill of my later work, because they were true to my confusion, my fear, and dreams relative to my age." Jewel is a person, she admits that, she's not a super-human, just human. We're all human. Some people on this list are so obsessive about her. I'm not trying to offend you guys, it's just, I don't understand it sometimes. Lorrie the lonely angel - ----Original Message Follows---- From: BuilderwalksUSA@aol.com To: Jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel"Normal" Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:06:29 EDT In a message dated 4/21/2001 9:03:55 PM Central Daylight Time, BuilderwalksUSA writes: << Normal 3 : a form or state regarded as the norm Well, you got it right with the first statement. Would you call Tori Amos normal, or Elvis maybe? Not everyone has A:Grown up in Alaska B: become a Platinum artist C: Donated millions to charity, or D: Had millions weep to hear their voice. These are not "normal" achievements. Some might say she is not a "HUMAN BEING," some might say she is a human doing. Some might say she is a superbreed, after seeing how her direct lineage is of such greatness as to help institute a state which is nigh impossible for "normal" people to survive in. I have seen Alaska, met scores of people from Alaska, and they are far from "normal" as is. The character of Jewel, I believe, is best found not in her doing what she loves, so much as doing what she needs so what she loves may thrive. I.E. the charity,( and by the way, most people do not start their own charity, so it is not "normal") Inspiring the masses with her words, not the cheerleading, which as she said she tires of. To close, normal things very rarely happen to superstars, so they cannot, as being shaped by environment, be entirely "normal." She is like a fragile fruit, handled between millions of people. The few who are close enough to have the honor of being her friends must handle her with an abnormal gentleness, and understanding. Your "normal" world would tear the stars apart if they were made relative to it. >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #156 ***************************