From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #152 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, April 19 2001 Volume 06 : Number 152 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Article on CDTD ["Casey O'Brien" ] [EDA] enough about the stupid article!!! ["Brooke Capulet" ] Re: [EDA] interesting [RachKat926@aol.com] [EDA] Just wanted to say..... [RachKat926@aol.com] [EDA] Jewel's a goddess... [Katherine_Stojonic@michcon.com] [EDA] re: article [JewelRocks4real@aol.com] [EDA] NJC: On Friday, 2 EDAs are getting married! :-) [Mike Connell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:24:08 -0000 From: "Casey O'Brien" Subject: [EDA] Article on CDTD Hey guys, Sorry - but I didn't know that someone had already posted this article - I haven't been on the list for that long so I had no idea.....I think there were still a few who hadn't seen it so at least they got to read it for themselves. I also think that in the case of the article itself, you can't pin anyone for being right or wrong, I believe the most likely explanation is that as they all experienced things from a different viewpoint, at a different age and frame of mind - of course their accounts on how things happen are going to differ significantly...In addition, they all probably remember different aspects of what happened in Jewel's childhood - especially what was they considered important which also differs from what is deemed important by another! Finally, we can all assume a lot from what is written without even getting close to understanding what the author is trying to say. The point is I guess that feelings and interpretations are very personal and unique and the most important thing is honest expression of these as it ultimately defines who we are - whatever the imperfections...... Casey _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:41:33 -0000 From: "Brooke Capulet" Subject: [EDA] enough about the stupid article!!! I posted the article originally when it appeared in my copy of the Anchorage Daily News. I did it because I do think we should all hear the whole story. That's it. We have all gone through this whoooooooooole argument 10 times over and we're not going to come to any different conclusions this time. So lets all just agree to disagree this time! PLEASE!!!!!!!! It's so not worth fighting over again. I mean if that's all we wanna do I can post tons of Anchorage columns and articles that bash Jewel. But why? Brooke The Frozen Alaskan Angel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:03:35 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel Alaska article thingy from that guy Haven't posted in a while, just wanted to chime in on the guy from Alaska's article about Chasing Down the Dawn. His contention seems to be that Jewel falsely portrayed her homelife in Alaska. I think this particular criticism is a little strong. He is saying that she only portrayed selective events, that somehow she should be forced to go into minute detail about everyday stuff in order to give a more positive picture of her homelife. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:23:56 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel Alaska article thingy by that guy(completed version) Haven't posted in a while, just wanted to chime in on the guy from Alaska's article about Chasing Down the Dawn. His contention seems to be that Jewel falsely portrayed her homelife in Alaska. I think this particular criticism is a little strong. He is saying that she only portrayed selective events, that somehow she should be forced to go into minute detail about everyday stuff in order to give a more positive picture of her homelife. Let's start at the beginning. He first says that she should not have changed the names of the schizo kid and Mossy. Well, it's her book and artistic license gives her the right to change their names. She was actually probably trying to be kind. And although the author might be very proud of the boy, Jewel may not. Maybe to her he was just the crazy retarded kid. It is not Jewel's obligation to comment on "her cousin's ongoing, heroic struggle." Nor is she obligated to mention her other "interesting" cousins. She is choosing what she thinks her readers might find appealing or what was interesting to her as a writer. Mossy is then quoted talking about how Jewel portrays her youth as filled with loneliness, abuse and poverty. I for one have heard and read many interviews with Jewel and she has hardly ever mentioned the word abuse, and usually talks in glowing terms about her time on the homestead and in Alaska. She does say that they lived relatively poorly. And rarely does she speak of loneliness, her home life almost always is tied in to stories about her father or brothers. There's nothing wrong with "getting mileage" out of your past. That's what good writers do. It's self-promotion. And again, I think to say that Jewel speaks of "family abuse" in her book is pretty off the mark. Just because one uses the word "abusive" in relation to one particular person, a grandfather at that, does not mean she has a history of referring to her upbringing or family life as abusive. I also think to write Jewel off as a young person wrestling with themselves and hurting others in the midst of their struggles is a misguided assumption. The people who are "hurt" by her words are choosing to be hurt. If anything, they are trying to exploit her fame, not vice-versa. Books do not have to be insightful and balanced. Especially a memoir. A memoir is intentionally one-sided. It is the author's point of view. It is subjective, not objective. To me, she does write with great depth and understanding about her family. Her family just doesn't like what she has to say about them. The author closes by saying, "And, Jewel, I'd encourage you to step back a little. Take some time to reflect on your life and get to know your family better. Try to become more sensitive to the feelings of others. Think about being more respectful." Again, I disagree. I think by writing a book about her life Jewel has already stepped back to survey things. What she sees through her eyes and what the author sees through his are just different things. A writer has no time for sensitivity to the feelings of others. The only thing an author of a memoir should be concerned with is presenting their thoughts and opinions as honestly and openly as possible, if people happen to be bothered or offended by that author's words, too bad, so be it. After all, they're only one person's opinion. Same thing for being respectful. Being respectful and polite and oversensitive only leads to bad writing. Think if George Orwell or Lenny Bruce or Bob Dylan altered their writing to make sure no one was offended or upset by their words. That's all I wanted to say. For once, I'm not the one criticizing Jewel but defending her. Ah, how times change. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin maguire Subject: [EDA] Jewel can do no wrong....reply to Interesting... You said there is 2 types on this list. Well what are we supposed to do? Condemn Jewel? Hate her? In the bible the Pharisee's i think or some people of the day brought this women to jesus and said she was an adulteress, and that she should be stoned (as in thrown stones at till you die!, not smoking pot and getting hi) But Jesus said "let him without sin cast the first stone" they all left. We are all sinners or if your non believer or what ever and dont believe in sin, we all are Jerks at times, or we all wrong people at time (intentionally or unintentionally) we say or do stupid things at time. So what are we supposed to do when Jewel is shown to be human? Condemn her? take her side? boycott her? I got a new perspective last night from some friends that went to the Poltz show with me. And i was a little star struck by steve. Well not totally like Oh my gosh theres steve, but just rapping with steve, buying him a Guinness talking about baseball, and music and Anya. Well these friends of mine (there 2 pretty hot chicks) they chill in SF often, and have party with Don Johnson and Cheech and other celbs. and they try to treat them like normal people. They dont get Star Struck. So maybe we are all a little too Star Struck with Jewel if we Hold her up too high. Or Get pissed at her for being HUMAN. Bottom line for me is, shes HOT, she has a AWESOME voice, wonderful songs, i love her humor and she is just a PERSON, unless she totally just goes wacko and Talks trash about EVERY ONE, and is Negitive all the TIMe, and hatefull, and she doesnt sing like she does, and sings lame songs, and wierd crap, and shaves her head, and dresses like Marilyn Mason. Then i will still enjoy her, and not be totally offened or surprised at what has happened in her life. Kevin the Hanging with Poltz angel ps sorry this was so long. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:09:16 -0500 > From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." > Subject: [EDA] interesting > > Ok here's what I've concluded. There are mainly two types of people on this > list. > Those who would somehow support Jewel if she went out on a shooting rampage, > and would somehow ALWAYS justtify her actions no matter what, and then there > are those who tend to believe what's really going on behind the scenes, > realizing Jewel isn't all she's cracked up to be. I'm sure more than a few > on this list knew this quite awhile ago, through various interactions. So > it's really nothing new. I just find it amusing that there are those who > support her no matter what she does. Like Jewel can do no wrong. That's > pretty funny. :-) > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:08:42 EDT From: JewelKGirl@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re:article? Where can I find this article that you all are talking about? I have not read it yet... - ---Allena ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:03:58 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: [EDA] New layout try/outs hello Jewelfans, I am trying to change my layout of my site... http://www.jewelkilcher.myweb.nl I hope you can visit and send in comments/feedback Thanks Michiel a dutch Jewelfan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:52:00 EDT From: RachKat926@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] interesting Ok- Let's get this straight-- there are not ONLY two types of people on this board. Not everyone would defend Jewel is she massacred a group of people. geez! what do you take us for? EVERYONE, no matter how much we love them does wrong. we get over it and see the person for who they really all, FLAWS AND ALL! and secondly, the "second group" you spoke of that "see's Jewel for who she really is" would not be on this list if they hated Jewel like you allude that they do. everyone has flaws and just because of something she wrote in her journal does not make her a bad, horrible person who is not deserving of our adoration. DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHO SHE IS? does anyone, besides her closest friends and family???? no! and we cannot presume we do. she's famous and it irks me that people pretend to know everything about something, when they really haven't got the faintest idea. Jewel wrote this book to try to show her fans her true inner feelings. If i read my journal right now i'm sure it would make my parents, siblings and friends out to be horrible backstabbing cruel people. that's not how they really are! you write in your journal to try to escape, to let out your feelings. Maybe that explains it. but who are we to try to explain it? it's between jewel and her family. if jewel wanted to print it, it's her business. Overall, just don't classify this list in such an over-generalized way and don't presume to know what goes on in someone's life. ~Rachel~ the perfectionist angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:00:42 EDT From: RachKat926@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Just wanted to say..... hi all! I just wanted to say that I love the conversation/debate we are having on the list. I loved getting online and seeing that we had some posts with substance and interest! some are complaining that we have "already covered the article" but for those of us who haven't been here forever, it's nice to be part of the debate (you can just delete the ones with "article" in the subject... no one's forcing you to read them) Anyways... I just have to say that finally this list is alive! ~Rachel~ the perfectionist angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:35:42 -0400 From: Katherine_Stojonic@michcon.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel's a goddess... I don't believe people are "turning" on Jewel during this discussion. They are just realizing that Jewel may not be perfect. It's a harmless critique to aid in the discussion. For those who worship Jewel, yes, I agree she's a goddess but even goddesses have flaws (ie. Hera was extremely jealous and vengeful in Greek mythology). - -Smiles- The Masquerade Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:43:33 EDT From: JewelRocks4real@aol.com Subject: [EDA] re: article Why get upset now over something written by the disgruntled ex-husband of a family member two years ago? Don't we have anything better to do? Dee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:32:44 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] NJC: On Friday, 2 EDAs are getting married! :-) Hi everyone, While this has been known for quite a while (they have been engaged at least 3+ years), I would like to let those of you who do not yet know this, that two members of this list, who actually first met at an EDA Gathering, are getting married tomorrow/Friday! :-) They are Rachel Martin and Tom O'Brien....and yes, you read right, they did not know each other before finding this list. They obviously read posts from one another, but later met at some EDA Gatherings/Events/Jewel shows and nature took its course and tomorrow they become husband and wife :-) Cool or what? :-) As far as anyone knows (and I've asked around), this is the first wedding of two people who met because of smoe.org (smoe.org hosts about 100 mailing lists for musical artists) Neither Rachel nor Tom have posted in the last year or so, so most newer EDAs probably will not know them, but both were quite active on the list in years go by, and regularly attend EDA Gatherings (such as the annual July Bearsville campouts) and Living Room Concerts in the northeast, but are still lurking in the background on the list. Rachel is more active now-a-days on the Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission list here at smoe.org, so those of you who also hang at that list and are newer here will better know her from there. (she hosts the Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive page and a few other Patty related pages) If you would like to offer them congrats and the like, you can email Rachel at EveryLittleBit@aol.com (formerly Cornflkgl@aol....remember her now?) and you can email Tom at morpheusob@t-3.cc While I won't be attending the wedding, I do know a number of EDAs will be attending the Massachusetts event. Congratulations Rachel and Tom! :-) Mike :-) P.S. Speaking of annual EDA Bearsville campouts, this years will be the weekend of July 20-22, more info to come within a few weeks from Tammy Campbell (the EDA mommy :-) * If you are new to the Jewel list and need a helping hand, * or have a burning question about Jewel and/or the list, * The Jewel/EveryDay Angels List Homepage & Guide is at: * http://www.quackquack.net/jewel * Many basic/common Jewel and list questions can be answered there :-) * * If you can't find the answer on the page have any list related * questions, please feel free to email me at ducksoup@quackquack.net * or you can IM me on either of the AOL names below: * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 and/on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:20:12 -0400 From: "Devin Starr" Subject: [EDA] Bearsville already! ok ok ok.. i know.. jump the gun much? but BEARSVILLE>> i was supposed to go last year with my bestest of my best, but sadly we were on teh list.. ya know the "if the car doesnt die we are there" list.. infact.. we were the list. kinda sad, that we lost the car, so this year im startin early... seeing is how i have money this year, it makes it all a little more feasable (i know spelling sucks, which is why i talk so much.. i dont have to spell) so rightnow im officially looking for a ride or if anyone knows on the cost of a greyhound to get there.. ok.. said my peace. im looking for a ride from a non psychopath to get my bum to bearsville.. laters all.. Jessangel with broken wings