From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #104 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, March 8 2001 Volume 06 : Number 104 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] innerchange days, rare jewels, jewelstock ,jones beach angelfood ["] [EDA] Re:(NJC)School shooting topic [Sokooletc@aol.com] [EDA] jewel in cosmogirl [RoXyGrL628@aol.com] [EDA] (NJC)Violence in schools nonsense [Sean35RL@aol.com] [EDA] on a lighter note... [liz lee ] Re: [EDA] NJC Violence in Schools [liz lee ] Re: [EDA] (NJC)Violence in schools nonsense [RachKat926@aol.com] [EDA] WYBMS [Jamieangel1@aol.com] [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V6 #99 [Jamieangel1@aol.com] [EDA] NJC Violence in Schools [NikosSong@aol.com] [EDA] NJC: just some thoughts on the shootings ["cymbaline" Subject: [EDA] innerchange days, rare jewels, jewelstock ,jones beach angelfood Over a year ago, I sent an EDA a tape (tapes?) and return postage for Innerchange Days. I never received it, and I lost all the e-mails we had sent. I know there is no chance of her sending me the tape, but I was hoping someone else would be willing to trade with me. I am also looking for the most recent tape, I think it was called Rare Jewels, Jodi organized it. I never sent my tapes out to one of the branches. Is that tree still up and running??? Also, my Jewelstock recording is missing tape 2. And the tapes I have are not the best quality. Lastly, I'm looking for the Spirit Tour, Jones Beach (Steve & Jewel). I was there and would love to relive the concert. I have some angelfood to trade, but my list is not as extensive as most. you can check it out at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/dancingangel - -Kerri "But don't wander too far, my one constant star. Darkness exists, except where you are. My feet are filled with wandering they follow your own. Everywhere you are feels like home..." Jewel, Last Dance Rodeo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:50:23 EST From: Sokooletc@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re:(NJC)School shooting topic I think we all understand that the world has certainly taken a turn for the worst. My original point when I wrote about glorifying the shooter is that instead of learning about what can be done we learn about the California shooter as if he's Billy The Kid. What I've learned recently is that now the shooter has to wear a bullet-proof vest, along with the kids who reported that they knew about the shooting but thought the kid was kidding, and also the parents. All of them need protection because "violence begets violence". Now two other occassions, coincidentally, have happened with school shootings. A girl shot her friend over a fight and two other kids were caught before they were able to shoot up their school. A student told someone about their plan and found a rifle and a list of kids they were going to shoot. This, unfortunately I believe, is a direct result of the glorification of the recent shooting. I know how the media works, especially since I'm directly involved with them everyday and of course I understand that there is no compassion, only ratings, that sells. What I predict now, and you can quote me, is that the next step once their done glorifying the shooter is they will finally show compassion for the victims. And the only reason they will show compassion is that we would have already learned everything about the shooter and the ratings would start to slip. Talk shows will try to book the victims involved in the shooting and their families and play the compassion role until it's run it's course and then the media will drop it like it never happened because it wasn't the first shooting. How sick is that? If there are, and hopefully not, more shootings they will all compare to Columbine and California will be a sub-story or a quick mention. There is no "real" solution and I believe that the reason is we spend to much time blaming everybody else. The parents should talk to their kids and stop assuming they will learn on their own. A lot of parents spend more time protesting and yelling at everybody else about teaching their child and don't listen to them. You never know, maybe the kids might know a good solution to this problem. If we could stop assuming that the children are young an naive and listen to them once in a while maybe a better solution than "locking the doors and putting up metal detectors" could be found. As a side note, locking the door is against the fire code plus it would be like another person says "a prison". Honestly what would be the difference. You shuffle the pri . . . I meant kids, off of a bus and send them through a metal detector and then send them to individual rooms for short periods of time until you give them a certain amount of time to get to their next small room and once they've served their time they have to be shuffled on to another bus. That doesn't sound like school. But there is some of these precautions that need to be done, but what. Obviously if I had the answer I would call the president and be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. But the chances of that happening are the same chances of me getting through to the president, none. Just as a suggestion, why don't some of the younger students that wrote to this list form some kind of group or become active in their school and figure out something that can be done. The adults do not understand what it's like anymore to feel that type of pressure and the students don't have the experience and the knowledge yet. I honestly believe that both the parents and their children have the answer but separately their lost. Keith "For Innocence can't be lost, it just needs to be maintained" - You know who (Jewel of course) Innocence Maintained ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:36:32 EST From: RoXyGrL628@aol.com Subject: [EDA] jewel in cosmogirl hey guys, just thought i'd let you know that in April's issue of cosmo girl, there is an article about celebs giving advice on beauty and there is a pic of jewel. she is quoted as saying: "Optimism is a choice. Cynicism isn't smarter--it's just safer." just thought it was cool that jewel keeps showing up in mags recently! ~liz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:11:23 EST From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] (NJC)Violence in schools nonsense These school shootings are the most over-exposed, media-saturated, non-stories out there. All of a sudden it's a big deal when a couple of kids from a white, upper-class school get killed. Why is this news? In inner city schools kids get killed every week. To go even further, let's take Columbine as an example. If I'm not mistaken, Klebold and Harris(who, if their story were a movie, they'd be the heroes, like in Stephen King's Carrie for example) murdered 12 kids that day. 12 kids. And these shootings happen relatively rarely. Meanwhile, 12 kids die EVERY DAY of cancer, 12 kids die EVERY DAY of aids, 12 kids die EVERY DAY to suicide, 12 kids die EVERY DAY in car accidents. Yet you don't see cancer and car accidents all over the news and on magazine covers. It's selective media presentation that has duped America into believing that these "school shootings" are something new or noteworthy. Charlie Starkweather(19) and his girlfriend Caril Fugate(13) went on a famous shooting spree in the '50s(documented in the Terrence Malick film Badlands and the Bruce Springsteen song "Nebraska"). Back in the late '70s, some girl in California went into her school and shot a few kids(chronicled in the Boomtown Rats' song "I Don't Like Mondays" which was the line the girl used when the police asked her why she went into school and shot people). Not to mention all the gang violence that plagued high schools throughout crack's heyday in the late '80s/early '90s in many American major cities like Detroit, Los Angeles, Atlanta and New York. There is violence in our society. People kill every now and then. To expect people to be exempt from this basic human anomaly just because they are relatively young and have white skin and live in affluent areas is moronic. Anyway, sorry to contribute to all the NJC stuff lately. By the way, anybody hear of this kid Eminem? He's some kind of rapper or something and some people are trying to censor him or something. I think he sounds kinda interesting though and we should all be vigilant in our protection of freedom of speech. Thank you for your time. Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:35:31 -0800 (PST) From: liz lee Subject: [EDA] on a lighter note... "Wherefore art my Romeo, where have all the cowboys gone? Show me one man who knows his own heart, to him I shall belong." ~Jewel Welcome Rachel! But I was wondering if you misquoted this on purpose. Because sure, I haven't listened to Spirit that often lately (I still do though :)), but I was pretty sure it was "brave men" instead of "Cowboys". But I can understand that since Juel likes cowboys, you might have put it in. I dunno. ===== ~*Liz*~ the Misplaced Angel HARMLESS & SHAMELESS PLUGS (if you can, check 'em out!) MUSIC: Motor Betty, Amanda Jones, Shannon Curfman, Joy Eden Harrison, Steve Poltz, Shakira, CoCo Lee, Faye Wong, Nancy Micciulla!, LAURA PAUSINI!! ACTORS: Haley Joel Osment, Lucas Black!! Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: liz lee Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC Violence in Schools Neal said: "I kinda understand about locking down schools like a prison. Would you rather be Safe and alive? or in danager and terror? School should be a safe haven, this is all BS and breaks my heart!" I can understand your position, but the reason I wouldn't want my school to be like a prison is not because I want it to be dangerous and terrible, but to be more freeing, you know? Except for the freedom to carry guns around and shooting people. How rude (not you Neal, I mean shooters). Anyway, I guess if I were to die because someone shot me, but I were free, I think I wouldn't mind as much as living "trapped" in school, day in and day out. "Give me liberty, or give me death"... ===== ~*Liz*~ the Misplaced Angel HARMLESS & SHAMELESS PLUGS (if you can, check 'em out!) MUSIC: Motor Betty, Amanda Jones, Shannon Curfman, Joy Eden Harrison, Steve Poltz, Shakira, CoCo Lee, Faye Wong, Nancy Micciulla!, LAURA PAUSINI!! ACTORS: Haley Joel Osment, Lucas Black!! Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:54:53 -0800 (PST) From: liz lee Subject: [EDA] NJC: School vouchers I don't know too much about school vouchers, but from what I do know, I don't like them. Why should the tax money the government takes from my parents be given to a select few? If they'd give more money to education for EVERYONE, and schools in America didn't suck as much, and we had teachers getting paid more, we wouldn't have this idea of school vouchers in our heads (right??). Though I don't know how to get more money for the education system, I was thinking about taking money away from defense and stuff... (Because in my mind, More education = more understanding that war is stupid :)) Whatever. ===== ~*Liz*~ the Misplaced Angel HARMLESS & SHAMELESS PLUGS (if you can, check 'em out!) MUSIC: Motor Betty, Amanda Jones, Shannon Curfman, Joy Eden Harrison, Steve Poltz, Shakira, CoCo Lee, Faye Wong, Nancy Micciulla!, LAURA PAUSINI!! ACTORS: Haley Joel Osment, Lucas Black!! Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:05:31 EST From: RachKat926@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] (NJC)Violence in schools nonsense Sean said: <> I agree with that... I understand that this happens, as I'm sure we all do. I know violence happens... I know people get killed. But does it have to happen at school? Where people are supposed to be safe and learn? Parents send their kids to school thinking they are going to come home that night. In the inner city, kids don't take pipe bombs to school, looking to blow up the entire school population. They don't have semi-automatic weapons, letting the bullets fly, killing whomever they might arbitrarily hit. THAT'S WHY THIS IS NEWS. I'm not saying the way the media covers these events is right, but we can't downplay the signifigance. Also he said: <> I realize this also. But was the cancer brought on by someone else purposely? AIDS? Suicide? Car Accidents? Did someone wake up that morning and say "I'm going to give 12 random kids cancer just so they can die for no reason?" NO!!! That's why this is abig issue in this country. We have to love each other, and reach out to the people who have problems. We can't rid the whole country of violence, but we can try. He also talked about how this "epidemic" is not new. Of course it's not new. But back in the years you were talking about did it happen 6 some odd times in 2-3 years? NO!!! It's kind of scary how some people are downplaying this now. Yes, maybe because they have white skin and are affluent it is a bigger issue in the eyes of the media and society. But if there were execution type, mass killings in the inner city, it would be on the news also. Ok.. I wasn't going to say anything more on this subject, I just had to reply ~Rachel~ "I have it on good terms to know that the quest for perfection can leave an individual gasping for breath." ~Princess Diana "Wherefore art my Romeo, where have all the brave men gone? Show me one man who knows his own heart, to him I shall belong." ~Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:18:40 EST From: Jamieangel1@aol.com Subject: [EDA] WYBMS In a message dated 3/7/01 7:26:14 PM Central Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: << Like those sweet red-wine kisses, and the candlelight, and the poetry, but mainly, it's just the warmth of your skin, and having you by my side, >> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! It's sleepy, red wine kisses!!! Sorry, it's sortof a personal thing ;-) I love you, Cilla. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:11:17 EST From: Jamieangel1@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V6 #99 In a message dated 3/7/01 12:20:08 AM Central Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: << "I wish that I could take all the guns from this sick place, and melt them into coins, and buy compassion for the human race." >> Ugh. I wanna cry everytime he says it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:43:58 EST From: NikosSong@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJC Violence in Schools Return-path: From: NikosSong@aol.com Full-name: NikosSong Message-ID: <8f.7dceae9.27d96512@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:43:30 EST Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC Violence in Schools To: Phkme2@excite.com, jewel@smoe.or MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 108 Hey guys, someone posted this: << Also some One on this list in on the East coast, said they went to school with this kid, in San Diego. And you said your glad you never meet him, that way you wouldnt trip out and be like, "he could never do that...." something like that. But... just a BUT, and a big What if..... if you did meet this kid, and became friends with him, if you reached out, shared Jewel with him, and love and compassion, became his Bro (i think you were a guy that posted) His life might have been different.>>>> Hahaha, just wanted to let you know that I'm a girl, lol, but honest mistake, given the screen name :) << I in no way am trying to make you feel guilty or put any blame on you, but i believe that we have million of choices, and we are on this earth for some crazy reason. And my friends are very important in my life, and if it werent for certain people than i wouldnt be on this list right now, probable not living where i am, etc etc etc.>> I agree, in some ways, I wish I HAD met him. Maybe I could have helped. You never know. I just hope that people learn from this, though I think that is doubtful :( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:10:09 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: [EDA] NJC: just some thoughts on the shootings This is just some of my own thoughts and personal experiences..... Alot of these kids who go to school with the intent to kill random people and stuff, seem to have alot in common. They are depressed, unpopular, get picked on and have few (if any) friends. But what kind of excuse is that to go to school and fire? I mean.... "I have no friends, everyone picks on me... I'll bring a gun to school and shoot everyone i see". When I was 13-17, I had no friends. Maybe just one close friend, and thatit. But everyone hated me. Why? Because when I was 13, I went to a new school filled w/ stuck-up people who thought they were better than me. I wasn't pretty, I was shy, so no one would talk to me.... except leave me notes saying stuff like "I don't like you". Pretty mature, huh? So, that and other things started a major depression for me... When I was 15, I once again went to another school.... I made some friends there, but my depression still kept getting worse and worse. It was 1995. I must have tried to commit suicide 15 times that year. So, a few months after I started my freshman year, after a mishap w/ my then boyfriend, I tried to kill myself, and I spent 2 weeks in a mental hospital. Word got out where I was, and when I returned, the people I thought were my friends were no longer my friends. Rumors spread viciously. I was dubbed "psycho" and no one wanted me near them. Not even my PE teacher who would call me "freaky" and "psycho". I went to a small school of about 300 students, so I'm not lying when I say EVERYONE knew who I was. I was the top pick for rumors and gossip. "kelly slit her wrists again. she's so psycho" To this day I don't understand how someone can be hated so much because their depressed and tried to kill themself. Finally when I left that school midway through my Junior year, things got better. I made friends elsewhere, people who didn't judge me. because I went to an alternative HS where kids were like me. They did poorly in HS, may have been unpopular, and had various reasons for leaving high school. I finished my Jr and Sr years in 8 months there. Anyway, the point of this whole story is, that as much as I was ridiculed, hated, and slandered for something that i couldn't control (my depression), never once did I think of going to school and blowing people's heads off. Okay, so maybe I wanted to blow one chick's head off, but that was a personal thing. And the 2nd point is that things really do get better. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before things lift up. Like me. Now I'm really happy w/ my life and I don't want to die, and I'm no longer an unpopular, ugly, psycho freak. People have gotten the chance to know me, and people like me. I never thought guys would ever like me, but they do now. So I guess what I'm saying is, High School can be tough (hell even middleschool can be), but thats only a small part of our lives.... a few years. We wont even see half these people once we graduate. So if these kids would give life a chance, and put up w/ the crap they go through, instead of taking out their pain on innocent people, maybe school would be a safer place. Its hard to put up w/ the crap.... but in the end it makes you a stronger person. Its made me a much more stronger and confident person at 21. I've come a LONG way since I was 15. Never thought I'd see the light. cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #104 ***************************