From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #82 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 06 : Number 082 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Favorite Songs ["Dan Perugini" ] [EDA] NJC: One more thought... [Katherine_Stojonic@michcon.com] [EDA] what's up with all the mean people? ["Tom Browning" ] Re: [EDA] NJC-rap in general [Fabsurfgrl@aol.com] Re: [EDA] NJC: Re: Eminem = violence and hate [Fabsurfgrl@aol.com] Re: [EDA] NJC [angela.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca (Angela Matheson)] Re: [EDA] NJC: Marry Me Jane [JewelEDA21@aol.com] Re: [EDA] njc - re: eminem ["Joe Kunis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:46:23 -0500 From: "Dan Perugini" Subject: [EDA] Favorite Songs I know I am a bit late on this matter, but I felt that I needed to add something to this one. Favorite songs. My list a varied. Goes from the sentimental to the motivational. In no particular order. Paradise City, Welcome to the Jungle and Sweet Child of Mine - GnR Cum on feel the Noiz - Quiet Riot One Vision, Sheer Heart Attack, We will Rock You, We are the Champions, Under Pressure, Princes of the Universe, Radio GaGa - Queen Fooling Yourself, Come Sail Away, Mr Roboto, Renegade, Babe, Lady, Best of Times, Edge of te Century, Lorelie, Crystal Ball, Blue Collar Man, Suite Madame Blue, Mrs America - Styx Everything I do, I do it for you, Summer of 69 - Bryan Adams Were Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister Hakuna Mutat - Lion King Don't worry, be happy - Bobby McFerrin California Girls, Kokomo, Fun Fun Fun, Dance Dance Dance, Little Honda, Surfin USA, Good Vibrations, Surfin Safari - Beach Boys Hells Bells, Thunderstruck - ACDC Deep Water, Hands - Jewel Just a long list there, There is a whole bunch more, but I tend to forget them as time goes by, but as I listen to my CD's, I gain fond memories each time I hear them. As for what really hits me in for a set time period. It really depends on the mood I am in. Taps or the Star Spangled banner for my tears to start flowing in a patriotic fervor. Other times, Lady by Styx is for me something really romantic. But all in all, I think the song that has really taken me to a new height and has become a sort of philosophy for me is Bobby McFerrin's Don't Worry, Be Happy. The message he has brought out in his words, really shows me that a positive attitude can achieve anything. And nothing is as bad as it may seem. Dan Perugini dperugin@mail.mcg.edu Medical Library Specialist Greenblatt Library, Medical College of Georgia "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of press. It is the soldier, not the poet who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and who's coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." --Father Dennis Edward O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:10:53 -0500 From: Katherine_Stojonic@michcon.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: One more thought... Dear EDA's, I forget to mention a couple things in my last e-mail. Please, excuse me for my forgetfulness. Writing the music seems to equate to talent with people on this list... Believe it or not, BSB, *NSYNC, BBMak, 98 Degrees, Shania Twain and others do write a lot of their own music (Quite a few can play their own instruments, as well. I think the majority of them know how to play the piano or guitar). Not to forget that there are pop singers who have been around for over five years and who have not written any of their music but who I believe are quite talented -- Barbra Streisand, The Three Tenors, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Madonna (only in the past couple albums did she write her own songs)... The list could go on forever... - -Smiles- The Masquerade Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:12:35 -0500 From: "Tom Browning" Subject: [EDA] what's up with all the mean people? Hi! just wanted to say, we should try being a little nicer to each other...people are allowed to share their opinions on stuff and shouldn't be yelled at (or written to in all caps!) for it, even if it's 'jewel sucks'/'eminem rules'...you know what? 'in the end only kindness matters' and all that stuff, so be nicer to each other that's all i'm sayin' If you would like the topic to change from eminem or dido, simply suggest a more interesting topic...pretty simple eh? ok that's all... buhbye! tom the cactus angel http://tippasaurus.tripod.com "ok lady...i love ya, byebye!" - -that little girl from animaniacs > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:24:29 -0400 >From: "Antonio Miquilena" >Subject: [EDA] [SAEDA] Dear Richard and Lorrie. > > Ok you two, let me start by saying that so far you are the most childish >people I've seen on this list, and as god is my witness [or something like >that (corny line north american people use) who knows... ] I do believe in >what I'm saying, thank you very much. > > Before diving any further I DO have to WARN, that I do not like nasty >replies, cause I will simply jump into the next topic of the Digest, again, >thank you. > > Why Am I making such a harsh comment ? Oh well, let the facts speaks for >itself. >"Jewel has so much more *heart*" (care for an explanation there Richard?) >"Jewel kicks a hell of a lot more ass than she does!" (one for this too >Lorrie) > > Comon people, this is not "Jewel Freaks Digest" nor "Jewel Obsessed People >Digest" this is simply a list for those Fans that enjoy Jewel's music, I >consider myself one of those, that when I put a record of her, I feel >released, I feel happy/depressed, I get thoughtful, I get recentful, I get >cheered, so many emotions which different songs, that for me is hard to >describe, but I won't simply tolerate people comparing like if this was >some, I dont know, stupid list to do that. THIS is to discuss Jewel, not to >discriminate or start getting stuck in topics like the past week with >EMINEM >(this goes for all of you, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, leave the poor guy alone, and >just move on with your lives, don't like him ? DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, NOONE >IS >PUTTING A F******* GUN IN YOUR HEAD !, don't want your children to listen >to >his "load of crap" as some call it, then simply do something, but don't >come >bitching here about his music or what it means to you, or how much does it >hurt you, because guess what ? THIS IS NOT WHY PEOPLE CREATED THIS) but >going back to the path of the main subject I wanted to discuss, those which >I consider stupid remarks of the before mentioned persons. > > Dido for me is one great singer, equal as Jewel, equal as Madonna, equal >as >Sarah Mclachlan, equal as Dolores O'Riordan (Cranberries). She have her own >genre, her own voice, her own way of seeing life and expressing it. We >cannot start making any remarks of a competetive nature, we cannot start >saying "Jewel sings better" or "Jewel can Yodel and Dido can't" "Jewel can >do higher tones and change drasticly into a lower one" "Jewel write her own >songs, dido doesn't" "Jewel have more records and is more popular" "Jewel >is >more cuter and with bigger tits" (not that I care, since I don't like her >for that) "Jewel is this" "Jewel is that" now I ask, annoyed already ? >Thought so. Imagine the rest of us that gets annoyed with such remarks. > > So my simple point of view, is to start enjoying jewel's music, and start >discussing things related to her, her songs, the books, we have so many >things we can discuss. I rather receive an email with everything I just >mentioned, than receiving one loaded with crap about eminem, or why dido is >such a bitch and thinks she is better than Jewel (not to my knowlegde, >since >I don't find them a copy of each other) The only similaritie that I have >found is between sarah and dido, they have a similar voice, but not equal. >and to put an end to this email, let me correct you both "Jewel DOES NOT >have more heart" and "Jewel doesn't kick any asses", Jewel is just a person >that found her devotion and is sharing it with us, same as Dido. So let's >grow up here, concentrate a little more on what this list is really about, >and let's stop making this annoying remarks that I found oh so very crappy. >So let's know the difference here between a Psico Obssesed Fan and a REAL >fan. Think about it > > P.S: I'm sure the only ass that jewel will be kicking is yours, if she >ever >read this list" > > Thank you for the time, > Antonio > The Charmed Angel. > > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:36:56 -0500 >From: tomh >Subject: Re: [EDA] Dido sounds way too much like Sarah McLaughlin to me/The >New Jewel?? > >1. Try spelling Sarah MCLACHLAN correctly. ... >A big fan of Dido, Jewel AND Sarah... >Tom > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:36:15 -0500 From: "Dan Perugini" Subject: [EDA] Re: Emimem Hmm... What is the big deal with this artist you wonder, you ask. There has been quite a bit of discussion on this artist, and in all respects it is true. He does state the reality of the case, he does point fingers, and he does it in a harsh method. NOw no matter how much he says that his lyrics should not be taken at face value, that they are a joke, they will be taken as face value due to the method of his delivery. He is stating a certain position, and stating it in such away that it becomes reality for some people. Children listen to his "music" because it has become the cool thing, and learn from his lyrics that hate and violence are alright and good things. Language used is supposedly ok, because he uses it in his music. The message that bigotry is ok, is being stated clearly in his lyrics. And no matter how much he says that his lyrics are all in good fun, are not to be taken literally, that is the message that he ends up pushing. As for the other side of the coin, those who basically are coming out with the bashing of Eminem, they are going about it the wrong way. State your grievances in a calm and supported manner, and you will be heard. Otherwise you end up resorting to the same tactics that this artist uses in his lyrics. Is that the correct way to go about it? No, a more tactful manner is requested for your sake and for other recipients of your mail. Consider this. Those who receive the digests receive all of this and cannot just delete those specific posts that are relegated to other artists or to your hateful flames against eminem. Speak in a well spoken manner, and your points will be listened to. Dan Perugini dperugin@mail.mcg.edu Medical Library Specialist Greenblatt Library, Medical College of Georgia "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of press. It is the soldier, not the poet who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and who's coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." --Father Dennis Edward O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:38:28 EST From: Fabsurfgrl@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC-rap in general And you don't think that Jewel "projects an image to appear cool?" If not, you are in serious denial about the workings of any artist, be them rap or folk. It's a simple fact of the business. So, be careful to throw stones...it's true throughout the industry. That's part of their job. Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:49:38 EST From: Fabsurfgrl@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Re: Eminem = violence and hate I think this email was concise, literate, and well organized. Your thoughts are in agreement with many of the "older" on this list and you are thanked for taking the time to make such a thoughtful and complete post. Your references to the "pop" bands efforts and giving credit where it is due was outstanding, and true. I also liked your understanding of education of children versus censorship. I wouldn't let me 4 year-old listen to Eminem, as he doesn't allow his daughter to listen to him now that she can comprehend, however; when she is old enough to ask questions and make decisions, he will let her choose. That's the bottom line. I find it interesting how many times in the many years I've been on this list (oh, about 6 or so) that people (1) seem to take offense to the very mention of another artist, (2) put Jewel on an unwarranted and undeserved pedestal (trust me guys, she's human with MANY flaws like everyone else on this list and can be VERY mean to others at times as well as snotty), (3) the consistency in the lack of understanding of how the entertainment industry works (not the fault of the subscriber rather than the fault of the industry in general I would suppose), and (4) how quickly the hipocrosy arises in so many on the list in terms of "act like an angel, but yell angry sentiments at anyone that questions Jewel." It's all quite interesting and I am sure someone will write a sociological thesis on this one day. Anyway, great post. Keep on talking, everyone. This list was created for discussion...not just of Jewel, but any thoughts that surround or are provoked by Jewel, her music, or her industry. However, all topics can get outdated. One more thing: contrary to everyone's belief, Jewel is indeed a pop-star. Unfortunately, she's more of an outdated one than anything at this point. If she weren't, she wouldn't make as much money as she does. It's only upon commercialization (which clearly is most people's definition of "pop") that you make the money at the realm of Jewel. This sig does not discount her talent, her difference in style and voice of other artists, or make her in any way "cookie cutter", on the contrary, it offers her more praise and acceptance. Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:56:06 -0400 From: angela.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca (Angela Matheson) Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC Well that's true, but here comes the role of the parent, which was discussed by that Grammy guy during the awards show. It's up to parents to teach their children values. It's inevitable that young children will be exposed to questionable content and may not catch the meaning behind the song. With proper parenting, children will know the difference between right and wrong. My parents never restricted what I watched on TV or what I listened to. That being said, I have never been convicted of a crime involving violence, nor am I a racist or biggot or whatever. But I do have to admit, this discussion is getting old. Not everyone is going to agree here. But as was said before, we are all entitled to our opinions. Angela RockerGrl34@aol.com wrote: > <<< lyrics at face value without pondering the possibility that he doesn't really > act out what he says. >>> > > but don't you think kids who are too young to understand what exactly > "face value" means are being affected? i certainly do. thats why we need to > find another way to teach them about reality. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:25:21 EST From: JewelEDA21@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Marry Me Jane Also their album TICK is great. And check out their Self-titled. Their lead singer Amanda just came out with a solo album. it should be out soon. peace, Seb In a message dated 2/27/01 12:32:08 PM, Jamieangel1@aol.com writes: << Their album is actually a soundtrack to a great movie called "If Lucy Fell" starring Sarah Jessica Parker, Ben Stiller, and Elle Macpherson (she's actually the Jane of the movie). Check out the movie as well. =) >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:46:30 -0500 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] njc - re: eminem I don't understand all this attention to this bogus term "hate" crime. What's the difference if someone kills me for my wallet or because he might not like the color of my skin (whatever it is)? The person should fry in any case. We can't start pretending and assigning different levels of punishment, we have laws on the books that cover these things already. They are called "Assault" and "murder". I would have never known that these things exist if MTV wasn't so kind to block out their network for 17 hours, thank you MTV!!!. I think it was the most entertaining hours of MTV in about 10 years. No wonder kids come out of college with mush brains if this is what is being taught in classes. What a touchy-feely society we have become! I'll say it again... more black on white crime is committed than the other way around, too bad MTV doesn't have the guts or honesty to be truthful with its viewers. They do a great disservice to all of us. JOE K >From: BBBMonkey@aol.com >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: [EDA] njc - re: eminem >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:10:36 EST > >What I think people are failing to see with this whole Eminem thing, is the >bigger picture. Yes, his lyrics are harsh and offensive. But what he is >doing/has done, although unintentionally, is given discrimination the >attention and concern it deserves. He is calling out educators and parents >to teach children that what he says is wrong and why it is wrong, again >unintentionally. Because of complaints from GLADD about his appearance at >MTV's Video Music Awards, MTV ran 17 consecutive hours of Hate Crime >Education programs. Would MTV have done this if Eminem rapped about hearts >and flowers? Probably not. So regardless of what you may think of >Eminem's >music, him as a person, a musical talent, or a role model, he has managed >to >do something that has needed to be done for quite some time. He has gotten >people to talk about and educate young people about discrimination in a >major >way. >Don't forget to put "hate mail" in the subject line. > >Yours truly, >Ted _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #82 **************************