From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #81 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 06 : Number 081 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Fan Club - Get Your Questions Answered [CarnivoreFanClub@aol.com] [EDA] Re: jewel/eminem [Wigglytooth523@aol.com] [EDA] NJC: Eminem ["Brooke Capulet" ] [EDA] [SAEDA] Dear Richard and Lorrie. ["Antonio Miquilena" ] [EDA] NJC-rap in general ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] Dido sounds way too much like Sarah McLaughlin to me/The New Jewel?? [tomh ] [EDA] OAC: Emm Gryner in Providence/Radio [KNicky3116@aol.com] Re: [EDA] angelfood trades ["Kristie Biggs" ] [EDA] NJC: Re: Eminem = violence and hate [Katherine_Stojonic@michcon.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:15:42 EST From: CarnivoreFanClub@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Fan Club - Get Your Questions Answered There are many questions concerning the Carnivore Fan Club. I hope this e-mai will answer most of them . If not, send me your questions for immediate response. Q: $12? For what? Who's pocketing my money? A: The $12 yearly membership charges covers the printing and mailing of newsletters, gifts, and the merchandise you recieve upon signing up. When you renew your membership after a year, fees decrease. No one is pocketing your money. No one is being paid to run this fan club. There is no "extra" money that makes its way into our hands. And if we find out at the end of the year that there is, it will be given to HGH. The people running this club have day-time jobs and do not need your money. Q: What will a newsletter give me that the internet won't. A: The newsletter will give you many things that you can't find on the net. Examples: Fan of the Moment and Fan Spotlights. This fan club is based on Jewel, but also on her fans. The newsletters are a more personal way of communication. Only current news will be featured, all other "breaking news" will be sent via e-mail, on the hotline, and on the website. I'd also like to add that the internet is very helpful, but has also taken much away from us. For example, would you rather read an e-mail from and old fan or get a hand written letter. Q: Is Carnivore trying to compete with the EDA's. A: First of all, many members that are joining have no internet access, which is why the newsletter is helpful. Carnivore has nothing to do with the EDA's. No affiliation whatsover. You'll never hear of the EDA's in the club. THE EDA' goup is much different from Carnivore. Carnivore currently has no plans of running anthing like the EDA list. (But the EDA's rock!) Any questions? Give me and e-mail CarnivoreFanClub@aol.com To Join Carnivore, visit www.geocities.com/carnivorefanclub ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:32:43 EST From: Wigglytooth523@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel/eminem hey angels, Talentless lyrics, cookie cutter music (the orlando sound- Britney, BSB and the like) and Hateful discusting lyrics are the exact reason I LOVE Jewel. Eliot~ centralfloridaangel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:10:11 -0000 From: "Brooke Capulet" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Eminem uh YEAH Eminem always says that his lyrics shouldnt be taken literally. That's the point! It's a huge cop out because he will not take responsibility for his ignorant, violent lyrics. And he DOES act out his violent ideals. He's on trial now for pistol whipping someone. And this whole thing about "He has gotten people to talk about and educate young people about discrimination in a major way". You give him WAY too much credit. It's almost humorous. He isn't teaching people to be tolerant. He's being "witty", making jokes and rapping about murder and violence and then people are going out and buying his album so they can listen to it over and over. Not because they want to learn. Give me a break. His albums are being bought for entertainment reasons. that's the bottom line. It's not about education or helping or bringing harsh realities to the forefront. Brooke _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:24:29 -0400 From: "Antonio Miquilena" Subject: [EDA] [SAEDA] Dear Richard and Lorrie. Ok you two, let me start by saying that so far you are the most childish people I've seen on this list, and as god is my witness [or something like that (corny line north american people use) who knows... ] I do believe in what I'm saying, thank you very much. Before diving any further I DO have to WARN, that I do not like nasty replies, cause I will simply jump into the next topic of the Digest, again, thank you. Why Am I making such a harsh comment ? Oh well, let the facts speaks for itself. "Jewel has so much more *heart*" (care for an explanation there Richard?) "Jewel kicks a hell of a lot more ass than she does!" (one for this too Lorrie) Comon people, this is not "Jewel Freaks Digest" nor "Jewel Obsessed People Digest" this is simply a list for those Fans that enjoy Jewel's music, I consider myself one of those, that when I put a record of her, I feel released, I feel happy/depressed, I get thoughtful, I get recentful, I get cheered, so many emotions which different songs, that for me is hard to describe, but I won't simply tolerate people comparing like if this was some, I dont know, stupid list to do that. THIS is to discuss Jewel, not to discriminate or start getting stuck in topics like the past week with EMINEM (this goes for all of you, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, leave the poor guy alone, and just move on with your lives, don't like him ? DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, NOONE IS PUTTING A F******* GUN IN YOUR HEAD !, don't want your children to listen to his "load of crap" as some call it, then simply do something, but don't come bitching here about his music or what it means to you, or how much does it hurt you, because guess what ? THIS IS NOT WHY PEOPLE CREATED THIS) but going back to the path of the main subject I wanted to discuss, those which I consider stupid remarks of the before mentioned persons. Dido for me is one great singer, equal as Jewel, equal as Madonna, equal as Sarah Mclachlan, equal as Dolores O'Riordan (Cranberries). She have her own genre, her own voice, her own way of seeing life and expressing it. We cannot start making any remarks of a competetive nature, we cannot start saying "Jewel sings better" or "Jewel can Yodel and Dido can't" "Jewel can do higher tones and change drasticly into a lower one" "Jewel write her own songs, dido doesn't" "Jewel have more records and is more popular" "Jewel is more cuter and with bigger tits" (not that I care, since I don't like her for that) "Jewel is this" "Jewel is that" now I ask, annoyed already ? Thought so. Imagine the rest of us that gets annoyed with such remarks. So my simple point of view, is to start enjoying jewel's music, and start discussing things related to her, her songs, the books, we have so many things we can discuss. I rather receive an email with everything I just mentioned, than receiving one loaded with crap about eminem, or why dido is such a bitch and thinks she is better than Jewel (not to my knowlegde, since I don't find them a copy of each other) The only similaritie that I have found is between sarah and dido, they have a similar voice, but not equal. and to put an end to this email, let me correct you both "Jewel DOES NOT have more heart" and "Jewel doesn't kick any asses", Jewel is just a person that found her devotion and is sharing it with us, same as Dido. So let's grow up here, concentrate a little more on what this list is really about, and let's stop making this annoying remarks that I found oh so very crappy. So let's know the difference here between a Psico Obssesed Fan and a REAL fan. Think about it P.S: I'm sure the only ass that jewel will be kicking is yours, if she ever read this list" Thank you for the time, Antonio The Charmed Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:38:36 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] Dido on Jewel I really agree, I don't personally see any thing special about Dido; and as for poetry, I doubt that Dido has ever had an idea that even comes close to some of the things that great poets and writers such as Allen Ginsburg, William S. Burroughs, Jack Kerouack, Paul Williams, Lao Tsu, not to mention Jewel, have written. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorrie Stewart To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] Dido on Jewel > that wasn't the point though... She was saying that she would like to be > shot if she ever wrote poetry... poetry in general... not because of > Jewel... it was outright rude. Who does she think she is??? Jewel kicks a > hell of a lot more ass than she does! > > Lorrie > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: JimboUK999@aol.com > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: [EDA] Dido on Jewel > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:10:05 EST > > Hi, > > I don't think Dido was saying anything judgemental about Jewel, she was just > expressing her personal opinion on artists crossing artistic barriers. Dido > is British and generally British people regard Jewel's poetry self-endulgent > trite. (not necessarily my opinion though). > > -Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:57:38 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: [EDA] NJC-rap in general OK, sorry, but one final statement that some of you may agree with, or not. The main problem that I have with the majority of rap artists, including Eminem, is that they all think that they are the shit, and/or bad asses. Anyone who feels the need to project an image to try to gain respect or acceptance is a shallow, blind, lost soul who couldn't possibly have any thing worthwhile to say. This need to project an image and appear cool is a trait of the majority of rap artists, including Eminem. I don't have a problem with angry or violent lyrics, hell Bob Dylan's lyrics to "Masters of War" are violent, the difference is that he has a great deal of real thought behind his lyrics as opposed to shit head. One thing that I look for in any art form that I am looking into is the mind behind what is being presented to me. The honesty or lack thereof, the raw emotion released upon reflection. There is little worth in something that wasn't meant to be taken truthfully, besides maybe a joke, but Eminem isn't funny, just annoying like a moskito that won't die. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:36:56 -0500 From: tomh Subject: Re: [EDA] Dido sounds way too much like Sarah McLaughlin to me/The New Jewel?? 1. Try spelling Sarah MCLACHLAN correctly. 2. Dido may seem similar to Sarah at first glance but really... they're not all that much the same. Which Sarah McLachlan song does 'Thankyou' or 'Here With Me' sound like exactly? Comparing them to anything by Sarah seems like a pretty surface view. The only similarities Dido and Sarah have are that they both have soft voices, short hair and use the odd drum machine in their songs. Lyrically I wouldn't compare them. 3. Jewel has 'more heart' than Dido? Why? I'm pretty sure they both have a lot of heart. I've seen them both live - they were both awesome. Their lyrics are both full of heart, just in different ways. How exactly did you come to decide that Jewel has 'more heart' than Dido? 4. Dido - 'pop through and through'... If you're definition of pop is 'popular', then yes. Then Jewel's 'pop' too. But by today's standards, 'pop' is people who don't write their own songs dancing and miming to predictable songs. Dido is far, far from that. 5. Go and see Dido live. You'll have a much different opinion of her then... As it happens, I'm going to my second Dido show this year on April 21st :). You may also want to take the time to READ HER LYRICS before judging her as shallow or whatever you were trying to say. <> Obviously she thinks she's someone who can't write poetry very well. Poetry is not songwriting, it's an entirely different art. Some people can't do it. I know I can't. All Dido meant by saying she'd want to be shot if she wrote poetry is that she can't write it. It's an expression. SARCASM. Look it up. The article just threw Jewel in there to make it seem more interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the original question they asked Dido had nothing to do with Jewel whatsoever. <> Just as a lot of people don't see anything special about Jewel. It's just an opinion. In my opinion, Dido's very special. Nobody had anything against her until she had a hit single. A big fan of Dido, Jewel AND Sarah... Tom - -------------------------------------- FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 05:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Vierling Subject: [EDA] Artists to discover.... Heres a partial list of artists that have wowed the SoCal EDAs over the years :) A * denotes a SoCal LRC performer .... Gregory Page* Steve Poltz* Carlos Olmeda* Jason Mraz* Lisa Sanders* Mary Dolan* Elizabeth Hummel* Cindy Lee Berryhill Joy Eden Harrison* Randi Driscoll Dani Carroll Jeff Berkely Dave Howard Luna Taylor Most of these artists can be found by adding .com to their names, at mp3.com, or by a simple web search. Enjoy! Jason V ===== EveryDay Angels Foundation (visit at www.edaf.org) Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:08:39 EST From: KNicky3116@aol.com Subject: [EDA] OAC: Emm Gryner in Providence/Radio Hey EDAs, Here's some info for tomorrow's emM&M show in Providence, RI: Emm Gryner (w/Meghan Toohey and Casey Halford) The MET CAFE 130 Union Street Providence, RI doors at 7:30 pm Meg on at 8:30 Casey on around 9:30 Emm on around 10:30 all ages, $7 ALSO, Emm will be appearing on WSHL Stonehill College radio out of Easton, MA at 2:00 pm. You can tune in online at www.stonehill.edu/wshl. see you there, Nicky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:12:02 -0600 From: "Kristie Biggs" Subject: Re: [EDA] angelfood trades I've also traded with Chrissy and she is a great person to trade with! Very quick as Sandy said. There was money involved in our trade as well, but it was for the cost of a videotape....she wasn't making money, just getting reimbursed for what she paid for. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents as well. Kristie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:21:49 -0500 From: Katherine_Stojonic@michcon.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: Re: Eminem = violence and hate Dear EDA's, I am hearing many different sides regarding Eminem. The truth is, whether you like it or not, he is an artist. Some of you have said he promotes the action of violence and hate. I do not see how talking or singing about the truth is promoting the action of it. By saying this, I feel you are also saying watching the 6:00 or 10:00 news also promotes hate crimes and violence. You would let your children watch the news, ne? Not to forget the fact some of you constantly bash "brainless" pop only to turn around and bash Eminem for being somewhat thought provoking. Besides, sheltering them from reality will not protect them from it. In fact, the realization shock of it later in life might be even worse. I know it sounds as though I am promoting the idea of a 4-year-old child listening to Eminem but think about it; if he or she really understands what is being said in the lyrics, what does that say about the home life? I feel people are using rap music and entertainment in general as an excuse for poor parenting. Eminem is simply doing his job by recording albums. There are warning labels and ratings; it is up to the parents to decide whether their child should listen to it or not. It is also up to the consumer to listen to it or not. This also brings me to another discussion: pop music. Pop music, in the definition of the term, is simply popular music; anything that is in the top 50, whether it be rap, R&B, folk, country, etc. True, the music is repetative, overplayed and often times less than thought provoking but the artists are by no means talentless. I find Christina Aguilera's voice amazing and *NSYNC's performance at the VMA2000 awards extremely impressive (I'm learning the choreography now for a modern dance and let me tell you, it's more difficult than it looks...) They must have some talent to be able to tour and promote and sing and dance... It is their career. I have read references to past pop princesses and artists. They imply how they are going to just end up on "Where are They Now?" and have nothing else to live for. Deborah Gibson, who I really cannot stand but I respect her for sticking through the business, happens to be doing quite well performing in Broadway shows and other musicals. Oh, since some seem to be big on the artists writing their own music, she wrote her own music. Many performers no longer actually sing but they do own production studios and use their inside knowledge of the business to help other younger talents in the business. In fact, current performers do that. I know *NYSNC members and BSB members manage other groups. Nick Carter happens to be the producer or manager of a punk band. Lance Bass manages the career of a young country singer. If the lyrics are bothering you, well... I do not know. They sing about love gained, love lost... Jewel, Sarah McLachlan and Tori Amos sings about that, too. How about the playing their own instruments? Let us see, BBMak, Soul Decision and Hanson play their own instruments -- can't really stand any of them, either but I believe the ability to play their own instruments take talent. Besides, as Cymbie said, music evolves. Of course the bigger artists of this generation will later end up on a "Where are They Now?" just like the bigger artists of the last generation did. Tastes are going to change and people will prefer different music and icons. Quite frankly, I believe deep down some of you are just envious of the fame and $$$ that these young talents are receiving and find no other way to release your frustration than put them down. - -Smiles- The Detroit-White-Suburbia Masquerade Angel ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #81 **************************