From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #59 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, February 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 059 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] Jewel & Dave Matthews Duet ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] What if there was no Jewel? ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! [Clm4ever1248@aol.com] [EDA] poetry inspired by Jewel ["Brown" ] [EDA] Re: more issues [LH ] Re: [EDA] get off the porn issue/first single ["Sandy" ] Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate [Clm4ever1248@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! ["Sandy" ] Re: [EDA] Re: more issues [LH ] [EDA] futility: a poem ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate ["Brown" ] [EDA] NJC "Swear words" [Christy Crace ] [EDA] Re: (no subject) ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! ["Brown" ] Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate [Clm4ever1248@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: more issues ["Brown" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:07:58 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate me too - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate > i don't agree with you at all...there are other word you can use...cuss words > are not real vocab! sry to say! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:08:53 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate they're in the dictionary - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate > i don't agree with you at all...there are other word you can use...cuss words > are not real vocab! sry to say! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:12:17 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate I do. But one's morals can only dictate one's own behavior, not the behavior or everyone else... you don't have to swear, and I respect that. Although I'm not going to go out of my way to swear, if it happens, pay attention to what ever the point of what I'm saying is, not that one word was a word you may not have choosen. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate > i'm not putting down other peoples morals at all, i'm just saying, i will > respect there morals, your morals...as long as you respect mine! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:14:34 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel & Dave Matthews Duet simply discussion of life and its many confusing fractilated extensions... nothing more than idle discussion. I'm not trying to sound angry... I'm not. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel & Dave Matthews Duet > Hahaha, I don't know if you were trying to spark an argument, but its not > going to work. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. :) > > Later! > Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:16:09 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] What if there was no Jewel? I'd be listening to Sonic Youth right now. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Fwd: [EDA] What if there was no Jewel? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:16:31 EST From: Clm4ever1248@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! well, what if it wasn't the right thing for them to do at the time? And do you think that rapist deserve the respect that other people do? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:00 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: [EDA] poetry inspired by Jewel beautiful too such simplicity carries a beauty full... words cannot describe pieces of you... thought streams... as wind through forested mountains... pallat of mind... placid lake in a rain-fall... echos of patter and hiss... curling clouds of dark storm grey... sleep branches in summer full... sheild the pockets of mirrors... drip rings spread away... the lunar tide high pulls the blood to wash my brain nourishing dream dwellers. feathers white dwindle down through space of black... warm fuzzies in my soul. pieces of flowing voice high on air waves... bleed me hollow to fill me with you... that I might be beautiful too... I kiss your feet and curl fetal about them in humble surrender... released within to cages soft... your soul. brown extension ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: LH Subject: [EDA] Re: more issues shroom said: "swearing doesn't always lead to VIOLENCE. when I stub my toe I say fuck and I grab my toe and no one gets hurt... besides me and my toe. Intent behind language is important, not the language itself as long as the message is understood." Thank you shroom...I'm not sure where exactly the bible says "Thou shalt not cuss"...could you tell me exactly where that is ???...I know about the God's name in vain part, but that's not quite the same. Anyway, what is considered cussing is very opinionated as well...some people think saying "crap" is very bad and others think..well...it's a load of crap (heh, heh)...now on the other hand when I stub my toe and say fuck...I start gunning down people (j/k) ===== LH www.liquorgoat.com Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0500 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] get off the porn issue/first single Okay... I'm not saying this to be a bitch, but can we *please* stop replying to the list with one sentence? If all you have to say is "I agree" or whatever, send it to the person, I think a lot of people will agree with me here saying we don't need 30 extra messages with people just agreeing with one another, or posting one sentence that doesn't really do any reflection on what was said... Also...please quote what you're replying to or we won't even know who you are agreeing with or why anyways... ~ Sandy - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] get off the porn issue/first single > i agree shawn! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:45:25 EST From: Clm4ever1248@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] poetry inspired by Jewel that is one deep and awesome poem! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:45:55 -0500 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate Cuss words are real vocabulary, sorry to say, and not just because, as someone pointed out, they are in the dictionary. The only reason that so called "swear" words have a bad stigma is because society gave them that stigma, when they were invented they were just meant to be like all words, we created the "horror" that goes along with uttering them...all they are is words, and are as much real vocabulary as any other word. ~ Sandy - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate > i don't agree with you at all...there are other word you can use...cuss words > are not real vocab! sry to say! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:48:11 EST From: Clm4ever1248@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate we've already settled the vocab, cussing thing k we can drop it...sry i ever even brought itup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:49:47 -0500 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! > Just because I did not get along with that > other girl and she POSTED what I said to HER as a little tattle. She didn't do it to tattle, she did it because it was completely uncalled for, and she was rather shocked that someone would be that rude as to reply privately to her and say that. *If* she wanted to be a tattle she would have written Mike privately and told him of your rude behaviour. > I just think that she deserves > respect for putting her whole life out there for us! You know. No one said she didn't. Abby didn't say she didn't either, what she said was not to give Jewel extra respect just because she's a celebrity, she's a human being, not a superhero, and deserves no more respect for being a celebrity than a regular human being warrants, that was all. ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: LH Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: more issues And could you define what the BIBLE said swearing was ???? Ok..let's go through the commandments shall we ? 1. Place no Gods before Me (speaking as God...not me...that should be a given) 2. Do not speak in error of Me (don't lie about God's word...maybe you should read up on this one) 3. Keep the Sabbath Holy 4. Honor Father and Mother 5. Do not Kill 6. No adultry 7. Do not steal 8. Do not speak false of your fellow man 9. Do not Envy 10. Do not covet That's it...and just so you know, there were taken from a Lecture by Rudolf Steiner about the Ten Commandments. Feel free to view it at : http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/TenCom_index.html Now, can we get back to Jewel please ??? - --- Clm4ever1248@aol.com wrote: > have you ever heard of the commandment thou shalt > not swear?? ===== LH www.liquorgoat.com Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:04:46 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: [EDA] futility: a poem I have a certain eternal love for those who create to reveal the underlying domain of human fear and dillusion... the frame benieth the unquestioned structures of belief... many are led by the acceptance and flow of a reality perceived. I often wish that all could be there below... with the body of chaos inherent. when my time passes to be... I wish only to curl at your feet and fade into the darkness. my energy churning the tide of life... the mist of space-time a domain I will rest within blankets of dispersion... the weave is brittle fragile strands fray pockets stretched holes deterioration from within the tapestry unfolds we all must die many suffer to feed the balance of those who feel for them consumed with flames of futility... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:06:50 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate I'm not ignoring you... I hear you... so this is good, conversation finished. Cool? - ----- Original Message ----- From: LH To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate > Yes, and all of you are entitled to your opinion just > as much as I AM entitled to mine. And I can choose to > ignore you just as much as you can choose to ignore > me. If I told you the fact that you don't use captial > letters offensive to me, I doubt you'd change that > just for my sake. We can't please everyone, and if > everyone would stop trying to be so politically > correct and actually state how they feel without > worrying about who they would offend, I feel that > things would be a lot less confusing in this world. > But all in all, it is just my opinion. I have mine > you have yours. I find it interesting that you make > it so easy for people to hold a certain power over > your emotions by using a few simple choice words. > They say that a lot of times swearing is a sign of > lesser intelligence, but answer me this...who is less > intelligent, the person who swears or the person who > allows the person who is swearing upset or offend them > just by the selection of a four letter word. Why is > the word "shit" so much more offensive to you than > "poop" ??? It is only the weight that you put on it > yourself. I personally could care less what words a > person uses as long as it is not in an attacking > manner. I realize that society TELLS you that these > words should offend you, but some of us do not feel > that we have to believe what everyone else does just > because they say it's so. As I said, it's a matter of > tolerance. I do applaud you for expressing your > opinion. A lot of people do nothing and just sit > there and complain. At least you choose to express > yourself. As always with anything anyone tells me, I > do think about it as long as it is presented in a > manner that is debating or presenting the point and > not attacking the person, which acoomplishes nothing > (i.e. when people say things like looking a nude > pictures means a person has a low IQ). Eihter way, > I'm forwarding this message to the list, since you > forwarded the last one there and I feel both > viewpoints should be presented. Otherwise, I'm not > going to sit here and go back and forth on this on the > list because in all reality...It doesn't have a damn > thing to do with Jewel. I'll think about it...but I > ask that you do the same... > --- Clm4ever1248@aol.com wrote: > > just cussing period does offend some people like me > > even if it isn't just > > toward me... it's just my opinion, and might be > > other peoples opinions..think > > bout that!!! > > > ===== > LH > www.liquorgoat.com > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Christy Crace Subject: [EDA] NJC "Swear words" Regardless of what words you use, you can hurt someone. Just because you say "Shoot" instead of the other one, it all means the same thing. If you call someone a Poopyhead instead of a Sh*thead, does that make you a better person? Is Poopyhead in the dictionary? The content of the words are what matters. I could sit here and insult someone using no cuss words at all. I could be quite imaginative with it, but it would still hurt them just as much. If not more... You might rethink your morals a little since you are so quick to judge. > cussing is a sin and there are other vocab words you know... for example > shoot! Just by calling someone else a cus word or flicking someone off can > cause VIOLENCE...so cussing does lead to as u say the "important stuff"! ===== "Lend your voices only to sounds of freedom." -- Jewel Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:11:21 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: [EDA] Re: (no subject) beautiful... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: ET: (no subject) > youre beautiful > you just dont know it > im watching you from behind the mirror > youre amazing > and just dont know how to show it > a little shy > its alright > because i see whats there > see all the things you dont see > im your other side of the rainbow > but not your pot of gold > i see what you make up > and your reality ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:15:37 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! then it was wrong... Lou Barlow lyric: every cliche' is true brainwash the holy creed no one could rise above all that same answer as to the earlier statement... let your consience be your guide(cliche') and what you do is right for you... there is no black and white in nature, and we are nature as well... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] Go girl! & SORRY CHARLIE!! > well, what if it wasn't the right thing for them to do at the time? And do > you think that rapist deserve the respect that other people do? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:19:43 EST From: Clm4ever1248@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] The Great Jewel picture debate yup conversation finished! =) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:24:41 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: more issues as you should if it makes you feel better, the world is over populated anyways. more people should be that way, maybe less people would be starving and dying of disease. (little laugh) - ----- Original Message ----- From: LH To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: [EDA] Re: more issues > shroom said: > "swearing doesn't always lead to VIOLENCE. when I stub > my toe I say fuck > and > I grab my toe and no one gets hurt... besides me and > my toe. Intent > behind > language is important, not the language itself as long > as the message > is > understood." > > Thank you shroom...I'm not sure where exactly the > bible says "Thou shalt not cuss"...could you tell me > exactly where that is ???...I know about the God's > name in vain part, but that's not quite the same. > Anyway, what is considered cussing is very opinionated > as well...some people think saying "crap" is very bad > and others think..well...it's a load of crap (heh, > heh)...now on the other hand when I stub my toe and > say fuck...I start gunning down people (j/k) > > > ===== > LH > www.liquorgoat.com > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #59 **************************