From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #468 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, December 30 2000 Volume 05 : Number 468 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] is Jewel a Sell out?? ["Matt Sullivan" ] [EDA] Re:Jewel, selling out, pointless, etc ["James Smith" ] [EDA] NJ BENEFIT POSTPONED! [Leftychic@aol.com] [EDA] Re:Santa Clara EDA's [kevin maguire ] [EDA] X-Mas album [TIGGER3122@aol.com] Re: [EDA] X-Mas album [Lucas Holt ] Re: [EDA] is Jewel a Sell out?? [BoeZanDoll@aol.com] [EDA] RE: sell out [phkme2@excite.com] [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #467 [Fredsteve@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 07:44:31 From: "Matt Sullivan" Subject: Re: [EDA] is Jewel a Sell out?? This is a tough one, but by making a Christmas CD, she is spreading the Christmas Spirit to many people. No matter what her religion is, and how dare we judge her on that, Christmas is not just a time of Jesus, who is believed by many to be the reason for the season. Like she said on TV, Christmas is a way that all the world can have a reason to have faith. And doing it to make money --- she donates 40% of her income to HGH, so if it is for money, which it isn't, it's going to a worthy cause. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:36:12 -0000 From: "James Smith" Subject: [EDA] Re:Jewel, selling out, pointless, etc Okay, being a person that does not have a close "personal relationship" with Jesus this may sound like just a heathen trying to justify someone making money off of "Christ's Birthday"...(really I guess I am a closet pagan that is just getting ready to stop pretending that he believes in much of anything.) Most Christmas Albums contain songs concerning Christmas (it seems logical, right?) and for a Christmas album to be much of a Christmas Album one would think that it would contain old favorites, which would of course mention Christ, His birth, Mary, and the whole gang. I mean how many Christmas albums out there feature Buddhist chants? So, that brings us to the conclusion that if Jewel is not a devout follower of Mr. J.C. that she should not sing Christmas music? And that if she does make a Christmas album without being "saved" then she is a sellout? Now, I really do not think we are the ones that should dictate to Jewel what she can or can't perform, but if you do feel that way, then the easiest way to do that is with your money. If you feel that she shouldn't be singing Christmas music, then don't buy "Joy". I doubt she will really miss the money lost from that decision on your part, but if it will make you feel better, then go for it. And if your beliefs are right, that if when we die we are all judged by "Poppa Bear, Jr. Bear, and Casper the friendly ghost", then if "He" is pissed about Jewel singing Christmas music without genuflecting, then He can take suit about it then. Pretty simple, huh? (oooh, a whole month of pent-up "bah humbug" released at once.. I'm feeling better now! ) Personally, I would like to know what she believes in, not because I care, but because I am nosey and curious. And about Joy in general. I've listened to it about three or four times now... When I bought it last year, one or twice during the summer (or for that eerie feeling of hearing Christmas music out of season) and once this year... anyway, just some random thoughts... Sweetwater and Light laughter, J.S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 03:23:16 -0500 From: "Devin Starr" Subject: Re: [EDA] is Jewel a Sell out?? > Is she a Christian? which i mean by that >DOES she have Christ in her Life? does she trust Jesus as her personal >Savior??? Yall want to know something really really messed up... Im a pagan.. ie.. i dont believe in Jesus, yet amazingly enuf, i still sing Christmas carols.. want to know why? Cause they are so darn catchy... i like christmas music, even though, i dont neccessarily embrace the god of it... i like the tune.. heaven forbid!!! you dont have to be a christian to record music that has to do with their religion... you can do it cause you like the music.. and if Jewel wanted to do a Metalica cd cause she liked the songs, and had the permission.. i bet.. people.. would still buy it cause its a different angle from normal.. Same thing if She recorded a tribute to Patsy Cline... If she likes it? who are we to stop her? LEAVE IT ALONE! Jess angel with broken wings ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:55:35 EST From: Leftychic@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJ BENEFIT POSTPONED! Hello All! Happy Holidays, Happy New Year! I'm sending out this e-mail to let anyone who was thinking of coming to the concert tonight (December 30), that it is postponed. I have musicians coming from places that were hit bad (like Long Island), so I'd feel pretty bad if something happened on their way here. Anyhow, we WILL be rescheduling!! I will send out another e-mail. This will give you plenty of time to clear your calendars. Seriously, this will give you time to clean out your cupboards and closests so we'll have LOTS to donate. Have a safe, happy, and healthy new year's eve! Love Always! X O X O X Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: kevin maguire Subject: [EDA] Re:Santa Clara EDA's Hey Kris, I live in Santa Cruz, its about a half hour away from Santa Clara, but i am at the beach and your going to be in the valley, so i am sure you will come to santa cruz to enjoy the good life!!! =) why you coming here? Kevin the quiet angel...... Hey, > A lot of you know me or remember me posting as psycho Angel, and that > aside from one other person I believe I am the only Eda in the greater > Nashville,TN area:). Anywho, I am planning to move to Santa Clara California > after I greaduate from High School in a couple of months. Anyway I know how > many Eda's are in Ca. I was wondering if there are any who live in Santa > Clara. I would eventually like to meet with some Eda's since I never have > before. Well, just drop me a line:) > ~Kris~ > ~Phsyco Angel~ _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:06:48 EST From: TIGGER3122@aol.com Subject: [EDA] X-Mas album Hey all, hope your holidays were good! I just wanted to say about Jewels X-Mas album. She has stated before that she really enjoyed making this album because she gets to sing songs that let her really use her voice. Any way, does it really matter if she is a True Christian or not? Just because I'm not the same religion as my friends doesn't mean that I can't wish them a happy holiday. Jewel enjoyed making an album of songs that people happen to like listening to. Just my two cents. Have a Great new year!! Caitlin ~the purple angel~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:48:20 -0500 From: Lucas Holt Subject: Re: [EDA] X-Mas album I don't remember the title having Christmas in the name.... Isn't it "Joy: A HOLIDAY Collection"? Lets look at the word Holiday for a moment: Holiday: Noun (Copyright M-W.com) a day on which one is exempt from work; specifically : a day marked by a general suspension of work in commemoration of an event _____ I don't see the word Christmas in that definition. That means that the album is not specific to a Christian event. Now there are several holidays around this time (pardon me if i forget some) Christmas Winter Solstice Chanukah Kwanzaa and by our definition above, we can even include "X-mas" meaning a non Christian gift giving Commercialized "Holiday" If we further analyze the album we can find some songs that have little or no association to Christmas (at least the Christian Version) For example: Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.. That talks about Santa, presents and commercialized crap. It is also my least fav. on the album. In conclusion, I'd like all of us to stay in perspective.. there are MANY different RELIGIONS with MANY DIFFERENT holidays around this time. And it is not polite to attack Jewel, Non-Christians, or Christians about their religious beliefs. It is also not appropriate on this list. Also I'd like to note that this email is coming from a Christian who does not agree with the "Conversion" practices that some individuals try. That is why I no longer belong to a peticular organized Christian group. I also am happily married to a Pagan. TIGGER3122@aol.com wrote: > Hey all, hope your holidays were good! > I just wanted to say about Jewels X-Mas album. She has stated before that she > really enjoyed making this album because she gets to sing songs that let her > really use her voice. Any way, does it really matter if she is a True > Christian or not? Just because I'm not the same religion as my friends > doesn't mean that I can't wish them a happy holiday. Jewel enjoyed making an > album of songs that people happen to like listening to. Just my two cents. > > Have a Great new year!! > Caitlin > ~the purple angel~ - -- Lucas Holt Luke@FoolishGames.com ___________________________________________________ http://www.foolishgames.com http://www.neonavigator.com "Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus Torvalds (Referring to the cover of Bill Gates' book "The Road Ahead") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:03:14 EST From: BoeZanDoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] is Jewel a Sell out?? You don't have to be a Christian to sing a Christmas song. Think of all the people who are christians (and even those who aren't) who enjoyed her album. What if Jewel was still mormon and all she sang were mormon songs, does that mean that only those of us who are mormon could enjoy her beautiful voice? I hope not, I'd hate to think I'd have to convert my spirituality in order to listen to/buy a CD. I'm not a Christian, but I sang along to that CD several times a day everyday this holiday season and I don't think she's a sell out, I loved the CD and that's all that matters. ~~Annie, the crazzy angel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: phkme2@excite.com Subject: [EDA] RE: sell out Hey Megan, you just kinda proved my point, where we like Jewels voice we like these Christmas songs, so we go buy the CD. I know all about her charities and how awesome of a person she is. No not all SInger have Christian albums, i dont see no Limp Bisket, no NIN, no Marilyn Manson, no Clash, no Steve Poltz, No Tom petty, etc etc so not ALL singer have Christmas albums. My point is not to bash Jewel, but just society how we look at Christmas as a Holiday to SPEND money TO GET! to try to feel good about spending Money of someone, Jesus is a Historical figure. He is the Son of God, and Christmas (CHRIST~MASS) is the celebration of his Birth. And thats what the majority of the songs on Joy are talking about. If i dont know anything about building a house, then how can i write a book about it! how can i talk (sing) about it like i do in full passion. I am just saying WE society needs to look deeper into the meaning of CHRITMAS then just getting days off work and buying presents and maybe just one time a year give to the needy. So if Jewel tryed to Cover NIN songs, and she dont know nothing, and she writes one of her own, but she knows theres people out there that like that stuff she is trying to be ""IN"" with them, trying to appeal to their Taste. Right? would that be a SELL out??? What about the thing Fred Durst (limp bisket) did on the MTV music awards, where he got up and sang with Christina, Some of his fans got pissed, and dont dig him any more, then he tryed to make up for it and say its all about the Nookie..... Whatever!!!!!!! > Did we go through this like a few months ago???? All singers have Christmas > albums > > >>Because if she dont know or care about Jesus, and she makes a CD to Honor > him and the season, then it seems more about MONEY then the Reason for the > Season. > > Who cares? So what she made a CD so that she can make money.... but Jewel has > said that she gives way what was it half the money that she makes?? so if she > is able to give away half of what she makes, I drought that she is doing the > album JUST for money..... Anyway when she talks about her doing the Christmas > album, she said that it was for fun, and it was something that she really > wanted to do..... > > > >>Is she a Christian? which i mean by that > DOES she have Christ in her Life? does she trust Jesus as her personal > Savior???<< > > Ummm.... who gives a shit?? > Wanna know something I couldn't care if Jewel was a sell out or not, because > she is all into helping people, and a lot of her money does just that, helps > people. I don't know if you read Jewels book but one of the stories talks > about someone calling her a sell out, and she didn't at all understand why he > did that, and she was upset by it...... I don't know what I'm staying > anymore... I just think that it is real easy to say something that someone > did wrong ... but maybe we should just look at what we do wrong and try to > change..... hey ... it can only make things better. > happy new Year > Megan _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:39:32 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #467 It's interesting because you only ever interpret the word God as the christian god. there are many Gods that many different people believe in.. and it's concievable that people of many different religions could relate to the lyrics in a CD like this. granted, the songs were written with christianity in mind (I believe) but that doesn't mean they can't be interpreted in any way you want. also.. i think that to a lot of people christmas is more about family and being with the people you love and sharing things rather than just religion itself. i know a lot of people who aren't especially religious but who get very festive around christmas just because it's a time when they get to be with their family... it's a fun time. i think the album is really supposed to appeal to that kind of person... somebody who gets joy out of singing christmas carols just because that's something they've done for a long time... it's a tradition to them. it's not supposed to be horribly religious. Jewel isn't christian specifically.. but she believes in a God of some form.. i dont' think she's a fan of organised religion though. but (For the MOST part.... there are some exceptions... the I wonder as i wander song for one)... the songs she picked are pretty vague in terms of what religion they're talking about. with the i wonder as i wander song.. i think it's possible that she's writing (as she often does) from somebody elses point of view... she doesn't usually write personal songs.. and i guess it was just her version of a christian christmas carol.... but she doesn't necessarily believe that jesus is the savior. to be honest i don't know what she believes.. but i have heard her say she doesn't go for organised religion. i don't think it's wise to take it too seriously... it's a christmas album that's meant for fun and games and not serious religious maniacs. i enjoy listening to the album because i recognise the songs from my childhood and they're well done (musically speaking)... but i'm certainly NOT religious. i believe in some sort of a God... but not in an organised religion kind of way.. in my own kind of way. but that's just me. to me.. christmas is about family... to you christmas is about the birth of christ. so i guess we're different. but i think jewel is appealing to my kind of point of view... steve > Well with all the updates on how Joy is doing, makes me wonder if Jewel has > sold out...... > > please read all before you respond..... > > To me Christmas is what it is suppose to be. > It to me is to celebrate the Birth of Christ Jesus. Not about all this > commericalism and buy buy buy,spend spend spend to show your love. It is > about the gift God gave us, and a time to celebrate it, and to live our > lives in a loving God-like way. but to totally understand that or to really > do christmas you need to know Jesus as your Savior. Not saying you need to > go to church every day or every weekend or even once a year, but you need > to know Jesus in your Heart, have a personal relationship with him.... > > Ok back to Joy....lets look at these songs > > 1. Joy to the world! the Lord is come > Let Earth receive her King.... > > Joy to the world the Savior reigns...... > > 2. O HOLY Night > the stars are brightly shining > It is the Night > of our dear Saviors birth > > > 3. Silent Night HOLY night > all is calm all is bright > Round yon virgin mother and child > HOLY infant so tender and mild > > Silent night Holy night > Son of GOD > Love's pure light > Radiant beams from thy HOLY face > with the dawn of REDEEMING GRACE > > Jesus LORD at thy birth > Jesus Lord at thy birth > > > 5. O little town of bethlehem (speaks for its self) > > 7. Hark the Herald Angels sing.. > Glory to the newborn King > Peace on earth and mercy mild > God and sinner reconciled.... > > born that man no more may die > born to rais the sons of earth > born to give them second birth > hark the herald angels sing > Glory to the newborn King..... > > 9. Face of Love (written BY JEWEL her self!) > Until tonight > My heart was just half full > i'd never known the fruit which FED the SOUL > but now I SEE what may put to rest my longing > > chorus > > For I have seen the Face of LOVE > the Grace of GOD, the face of Love..... (eep reading the song)... > > > 10 Medley.....look at lyrics. > > 11. I wonder as i Wander (written by Jewel?) > > i wonder as i wander > out under the sky > How JESUS the Savior did come to die > To save lowly people > Like you and like i > I wonder as i wander > out under the sky > > > > Just read the lyrics to these songs. The main Them is Jesus, Gods love, the > SAVIOR......Theses songs reflect to me the Christmas story, the birth of > Jesus. We hear theses songs a lot, we might go to church once a year and > sing theses, or hear them on the radio and sing, or just sing with our > family. > > BUT have you really looked at the words!!! the Meanings?? This is where i > Wonder if Jewel sold out on JOY. Is she a Christian? which i mean by that > DOES she have Christ in her Life? does she trust Jesus as her personal > Savior??? i believe Christian is a PERSONAL Relationship with Jesus, not a > Religion, not a whole bunch of Rules, etc, etc. but does she believe in > Jesus. > > I know her Mom was/is Mormon. but they dont believe Jesus was the savior, > they dont accept Jesus as the son of God. So where does Jewel stand on this > issue? > > Because if she dont know or care about Jesus, and she makes a CD to Honor > him and the season, then it seems more about MONEY then the Reason for the > Season. > > Thats like Jewel doing a CD of Metallica songs and half of her own music > just to Appeal to that Group. Her singing Worship/Christmas songs is the > same thing. If she does not truely believe in Jesus as the Savior, then > making a Cd with a majority of the songs on it in the context is just > appealing to that group, and/or using Commericalism to make a profite. > > Hey Jewel, not trying to bash you, just want to know where you stand. and > if you have a relationship with Jesus........ > > sincerely > the heavenly angel..... ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #468 ***************************