From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #428 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 05 : Number 428 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] set list [Minnie822@aol.com] [EDA] JewelStock [=?iso-8859-1?q?Hotel=20Angel?= ] [EDA] Re: My wedding ceremony [Fairydawn1@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #425 [Spenser68@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Great to hear Jewel making a new record ["Chris Groves" ] [EDA] Down So Long question ["cymbaline" ] [EDA] New CD ["Matthew Alan" ] Re: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #425 ["Scott Evans" ] Re: [EDA] Re: My wedding ceremony ["Jason Abraham" ] [EDA] Jewel To Begin Recording New Studio Album In January ["Chris Groves] [EDA] Well, it's official... [Fredsteve@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Great to hear Jewel making a new record ["~*~Sandy~*~" Subject: [EDA] JewelStock Can anyone please tell me what was JewelStock EXACTlY... I have an idea in my mind... but, why was it organised? What was the purpose of it? Thanks, Mirko *the peruvian angel* Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:41:49 EST From: Fairydawn1@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: My wedding ceremony Hi all! I rarely post, but have been a fan since 1995........anyways, I just wanted to let everyone know how I incorporated Jewel into my wedding ceremony! Hopefully this doesn't get me in trouble because I used her songs, but I did mention in the program that Jewel wrote and sang them! We had a harpist at our ceremony, and in addition to the typical Wedding March I sent her the sheet music (for a guitar!) of YWMFM. She played beautifully!! That song was the Parent's processional, and I also had her learn "The Mummer's Dance" by Loreena McKennitt for the bridal party to walk in to. That's one way I incorporated Jewel! The second was to use "Face of Love"...what a perfect wedding song as you already know. I had a very poetic & articulate friend read this. It would've been great to actually have Jewel sing it, or have the music piped in, but the reading was subtle, yet powerful! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:14:39 EST From: Spenser68@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #425 In a message dated 11/28/00 11:35:17 PM Central Standard Time, Fredsteve@aol.com writes: > > I think we all should be grateful to Atlantic Records for investing > > so much time and money in Jewel in the early years in order to > > break her across the US. If they hadn't the majority of people on > > this list would never have heard of her, especially those of us in > > Europe. She'd probably still be playing coffee houses in San > > Diego. She'd never have got MTV/VH1 exposure or appeared > > on Letterman or Leno etc. > O pleeze!! Record labels are MONSTERS! As a musician any releases will be put out independently! They ignore more talent than not. You couldn't pay to sign a record deal. For me anyway the music is more important than the money. It's something of a ethic dispute of an artist's morality. Granted I glad That Jewel did sign w/ them but in an interview w/ lendra "from the life uncommon vidio" they signed her as is.. they didn't need to change her because she is a very real person and thats something we could all relate to. And how a fan relates to an artist is what sells records. Walk in Peace Spenser The Susquehanna Angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:39:20 -0000 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: Re: [EDA] Great to hear Jewel making a new record - ----- Original Message ----- From: "~*~Sandy~*~" > Although I loved both CD's, I consider "Spirit" *very* commercial, and come > on, WhoWill Save Your Soul, You Were Meant For me, & Foolish Games? All > commercial. That's the reason those are the singles they pulled of POY and > "commercialized" them. Spirit was produced by Jewel in all but name and I'm sure she'd be offended that you think she made it for commercial reasons :) But you have only to look at the failure of Spirit and the Pieces Of You singles in Europe to see that neither were commercial releases. > You don't think they've generated any profit off of her yet? Come on! She > may not be the #1 best selling artist of all times, but she's sure as hell > sold enough records to make Atlantic a lot of money. I'm only guessing, but once the distributors/retailers take their share, Atlantic would only end up maybe one or two dollars max. Once the costs of the promotion team and advertising are considered I'd doubt that they would have made much, if any, from promoting Pieces for three years. Then they put a lot of effort in promoting Spirit as well and I'm sure they might have been a little disappointed by its relatively 'low' sales. When they invested in Jewel they considered her a long term artist, also they had high hopes that she would spearhead a major overseas push for many of their domestic artists, but unfortunately things didn't work out for them. And since Jewel has hinted at least once that she's ready to retire from music I'd guess they'd want to get their money back sooner rather than later > >Hopefully they'll release the > > first Jewel pop record, > > I hope to god they don't. I don't want another Britney Spears or Christina > Aguilera, I don't want Jewel to resemble them in ANY way. Why should a Jewel pop record need to resemble Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera. Pop doesn't necessarily have to be crap. Weren't the Beatles a pop band, I don't remember them making very many crap records. > I want more Jewel - and Jewel isn't about commercial pop like > that stuff. I hear people complaining that Jewel's sold out - the biggest > sell out would be for her to release some pop peice of crap just to get > record sales - that's not what she's about, and that's not what she > wants from what I can tell. I want more Jewel too, but I want to be able to watch Jewel on TV and listen to Jewel on the radio, I can't do that at the moment. I know that's selfish of me. > She hated > that part of the industry so why would she get on her hands and knees and > and worship the industry now? She's got more than enough money (which just > goes to prove that if *SHE* made that much money off her other records, so > did Atlantic), so she doesn't need to sell her soul to the record executive > pimps just to get rich. It doesn't prove anything except that Jewel had a very savvy manager in the early days. > > >so all the world will be able to enjoy > > Jewel's fabulous voice. > > They already can without a pop release. People can't enjoy Jewel's music around the world if they're unable to hear it on the radio or see her on TV. Jewel is still unknown across most of the world. > You want her to release a peice of > crap record just so she can get recognition from people that, frankly, I'm > sure she doesn't WANT recognition from? I don't want Jewel to release a piece of crap, I want her to release a Jewel pop record. Pop = crap is not always true. > If people aren't going to like her for who she is already, and her > equisite talent that's already portrayed in her *own* style of > music, At the moment very few people can choose to like her or not as I've said before they haven't a clue who she is. > why should she change just so more people can hear > her? Perhaps she thinks she has an important message to get across to people; maybe she wants people to hear about and contribute to her charities. Chris. http://www.jewelfan.co.uk for Pieces Of UK; Jewel Enquirer; Jewel Weblog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:59:50 EST From: JewelRocks4real@aol.com Subject: [EDA] more new songs!! I was at Jewels website checking new setlists and does anyone have Until The Fall, Lemondrops and Clover, My Valentine (with Jewel singing it-not Steves version) or Last Standing Vagabond? Im dying to hear these new songs!!! Who taped those shows? I want to trade for anything with these songs! :) Dee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:22:26 -0500 From: "Scott Evans" Subject: Re: [EDA] JewelStock <> Jewelstock was a free concert Jewel gave in appreciation for the EDA's the weekend of July 18-19, 1996, before she broke it big.. It was an AMAZING set... 'Louisa and Her Blue Guitar,' 'Studies In Love #12,' 'Amen,'.. She had all the great ones.. If you don't have the set, you should get it.. scott.evans [[crazy is just YOU and ME. AMPLIFIED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 / YahooIM: sevans56 \ scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [http://jewel.tanweb.com] Little Plastic Pages, my site [http://tanweb.com/scott] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:04:49 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: [EDA] Down So Long question To anyone who went to the solo acoustic shows.... when jewel sand Down So Long.... was it more reminiscent of her Innerchange version (the slow, pretty fingerpicking one)... or was it like the Spirit version with just her acoustic guitar? I was just wondering... cause if she sang it like she used to, it would really kick ass, because the old version is alot better.... more emotion put into it. cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:14:52 -0800 From: "Matthew Alan" Subject: [EDA] New CD I was listening to the radio this morning and they had some information on Jewel! Does anyone here listen to Kiss 106.1 in Seattle? They used to play Jewel a lot, but now all that bubble gummy stuff is in, so they stopped, but anyway, here's a link to the what they had to say about her new CD. http://www.kiss1061.com/celebdish.htm It's so cool that she's making a new cd. I can't wait. Matt _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:26:31 -0500 From: "Scott Evans" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #425 <> That wasn't the point he was making.. Record labels suck, but Atlantic Records has been INCREDIBLY great to Jewel.. Not many labels would be as supportive of Jewel for that time as Atlantic was.. There are much more unknown artists on other labels.. So, yeah, Atlantic was/is good to Jewel, and we should be grateful.. scott.evans [[crazy is just YOU and ME. AMPLIFIED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 / YahooIM: sevans56 \ scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [http://jewel.tanweb.com] Little Plastic Pages, my site [http://tanweb.com/scott] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:21:54 -0600 From: "Jason Abraham" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: My wedding ceremony i will only incorporate jewel into my wedding if jewel herself is the one i am marrying =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:25:21 -0000 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: [EDA] Jewel To Begin Recording New Studio Album In January From Launch.com... - ------------ Jewel To Begin Recording New Studio Album In January (11/28/00, 1 p.m. ET) - Jewel was in New York City yesterday (November 27) to meet with reporters about her new book of short stories titled Chasing Down The Dawn, which arrived in stores in early October. In addition to talking extensively about the new book, the popular author, singer, and actress revealed to LAUNCH that she intends to start recording a new album in January. "I'm going to start working on a new record at the beginning of the year. I finally decided to jump back in," she said. "I've been writing music, you know? I write all the time. I don't know what the record's going to end up like--I have no idea. I've been on the road doing a lot of rock performance stuff--you know, all band-driven rock music--which I've been enjoying a lot. And since I've been off the road, I've been doing a lot of storytelling--I guess 'folk music'--and enjoying that a lot. I've been working with some friends and doing bossa novas and Cuban music," she added, "so I have no idea which way the record's going to go. I guess we'll just see how it goes." The still-untitled new Jewel album will be the follow-up to 1998's Spirit, which spawned her hit singles "Hands" and "Down So Long." -- Jason Gelman, New York - ---------------- Chris. http://www.jewelfan.co.uk for Pieces Of UK; Jewel Enquirer; Jewel Weblog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:59:31 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Well, it's official... All those angels who have spent the last year ceaselessly whining over Jewel and her lack of activity (ie - WE WANT A NEW ALBUM) can breathe a sigh of relief. We've all heard "rumours" that she's going back to work in January.. but now the official site says planning for a new album will begin in January.. and an article regarding the start of the new album appeared on Launch.com yesterday. here it is: Jewel To Begin Recording New Studio Album In January (11/28/00, 1 p.m. ET) - Jewel was in New York City yesterday (November 27) to meet with reporters about her new book of short stories titled Chasing Down The Dawn, which arrived in stores in early October. In addition to talking extensively about the new book, the popular author, singer, and actress revealed to LAUNCH that she intends to start recording a new album in January. "I'm going to start working on a new record at the beginning of the year. I finally decided to jump back in," she said. "I've been writing music, you know? I write all the time. I don't know what the record's going to end up like--I have no idea. I've been on the road doing a lot of rock performance stuff--you know, all band-driven rock music--which I've been enjoying a lot. And since I've been off the road, I've been doing a lot of storytelling--I guess 'folk music'--and enjoying that a lot. I've been working with some friends and doing bossa novas and Cuban music," she added, "so I have no idea which way the record's going to go. I guess we'll just see how it goes." The still-untitled new Jewel album will be the follow-up to 1998's Spirit, which spawned her hit singles "Hands" and "Down So Long." -- Jason Gelman, New York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:15:18 -0800 From: "~*~Sandy~*~" Subject: Re: [EDA] Great to hear Jewel making a new record > Spirit was produced by Jewel in all but name and I'm sure she'd > be offended that you think she made it for commercial reasons :) I don't think she made it for commercial reasons at all, I just said it *was* commercial. :) > But you have only to look at the failure of Spirit and the Pieces > Of You singles in Europe to see that neither were commercial > releases. That doesn't prove that they weren't commercial, that just proves that they weren't received as well over there. Perhaps they didn't do enough promotion in Europe, or radio stations didn't want to play her record. It doesn't mean that there were no commercial songs on it. > I'm only guessing, but once the distributors/retailers take their share, > Atlantic would only end up maybe one or two dollars max. and one or two dollars off of 10 million CD's is - wait, that's right, 10-20 million dollars! She's sold over 10 million CD's worldwide with both of her releases, so that means they've made quite a bit of money off of her, don't you think? and that's *if* that's the only money they are making off of her. > Then they put a lot of effort in promoting Spirit as well and > I'm sure they might have been a little disappointed by its relatively 'low' > sales. Spirit by no means had relatively low sales, sure they weren't as good as POY, *but* it did just as well, if not better than, many recording artists. There are tons of artists out there who don't pop out records twice a year that sell 20 million copies within a short time, the people that *do* sell records at that rate are usually just "in" at the time, and fairly quickly fade out. > Why should a Jewel pop record need to resemble Britney Spears or > Christina Aguilera. Pop doesn't necessarily have to be crap. > Weren't the Beatles a pop band, I don't remember them making > very many crap records. The Beatles were a "pop" band of their own era. Just as music styles change, so does the original meaning attached to the style. Now a days pop music is Britney/Christina/Backstreet Boys type music, there is no disputing that, it's the new wave of pop. If you weren't talking about this kind of pop, then sorry I misunderstood, but I do not want to hear Jewel trying to sell herself as a whiny, angst ridden teeny bopper. She has her own style of music as far as I'm concerned, and she's doing well with it. I'd rather she stick to the rather diverse but down to earth style of music she's known for. > I want more Jewel too, but I want to be able to watch Jewel on > TV and listen to Jewel on the radio, I can't do that at the moment. > I know that's selfish of me. Even if that means she has to sell out some of her dignity to get on the radio? Remember, this is the kind of stuff that she doesn't like about the business - worrying about singles and radio play etc. I'd rather she remain true to herself rather than change just so she can be more widely received by people. > > She's got more than enough money (which just > > goes to prove that if *SHE* made that much money off her other records, so > > did Atlantic), > > It doesn't prove anything except that Jewel had a very savvy manager > in the early days. You believe it was her manager that made her that money? Sorry, I sincerly doubt that. She only hired a manager *after* signing a contract for Atlantic, therefore her part of the deal was already made. You also have to remember that if anything Jewel got a less-than-perfect contract, being as they were somewhat taking a chance on her, so if anything she's making less money than desired. > > They already can without a pop release. > > People can't enjoy Jewel's music around the world > if they're unable to hear it on the radio or see her on TV. > Jewel is still unknown across most of the world. So what you are actually saying is: Jewel should make a cheesy pop record regardless of the fact that it's not her type of music, so that she can be heard on the radio and TV across the world? That would be counter-productive. Part of the reason that Jewel is so great is that she's true to herself, so if people across the world are ignorant to her music just because it's not on the radio and TV? Well, that's pretty much too bad. They could access her if they wish, and if she released a pop album it just wouldn't be the same anyways, they wouldn't like the Jewel *we* know, they would like some popped up version of her. > I don't want Jewel to release a piece of crap, I want her to > release a Jewel pop record. Pop = crap is not always true. True, but Jewel = pop isn't true either, because that would be her changing herself to fit into the market, and she's not about to do that. > > why should she change just so more people can hear > > her? > > Perhaps she thinks she has an important message to get > across to people; maybe she wants people to hear about > and contribute to her charities. Important message aside, it's more important for her to remain true to herself, and the fans she already has. I don't think someone should change themselves to be more widely heard...that's not who she is, and that would shred part of her message into peices - because part of what I've learned from Jewel, and what I consider to be one of her most important messages, is to be true to yourself first. Not to change to please others, be yourself always. If she's not a "pop" star, than why should we feel she has to force herself to become one just to be heard and get her message out? She wouldn't be Jewel if she did that. ~ Sandy And technically Jewel does sing pop - if you were to buy her CD in a music store, it would be under the pop/rock section. I think she's found the perfect ground between various genres of music, which includes pop - she just hasn't messed around with her songs to have "phat beats" & "cheese lyrics" like most pop stars of today. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #428 ***************************