From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #411 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, November 19 2000 Volume 05 : Number 411 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Mean? and Selena [kevin maguire ] [EDA] Please be careful! ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] Jewel and her fame ["michiel - the dutch Jewelfan - van gorkum" ] [EDA] People Magazine/DABIL? [EquusJes@aol.com] [EDA] Re: jewel is mean [Greg Dunn ] Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean [JusAgapAd@aol.com] Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing [W1GGY2@aol.com] [EDA] jewel's bad moods [HisLittLeEvaNgeL@aol.com] [EDA] No One Was Crippled, Oh So Famous Jewel [mjawt@juno.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: kevin maguire Subject: [EDA] Mean? and Selena Wasnt Jewel hurt by the fan calling her a sell out in San franciso?? I was there, i know what went down i even have it on tape, but i am not sure if you can hear it all, But if she is going to have a attidue of not caring about fans and how they feel and what they think, then How can she write about this in CDTD, and be hurt by it? i dont know what it says i dont have the book ( i know what a BAD EDA i am....) i remember what happened and what she said to him, and tryed to say he was crying and all that.....also the beads throwin at her, that hit her in the face or something, i would have been a little up set, but maybe JUST maybe i would have stopped and gave the fans a second to throw what ever gifts they wanted at me, then went on to preform. Karma coming back at her for being mean? Yeah shes not an angel, but she trys to have this Image. This sweet girl image. Also this is all mostly what if stuff, and just hear say and talk, i still love jewel, and will go to concerts and all that. But if her meanness is true, and her being rude, that is just a different side of her that i am not use to. that is just life i guess. i still feel that I would be really good friends with Jewel, or at least the Jewel i think i know, the comic jewel telling jokes and stories at the shows, we love the same movies, and like to surf, and her heart and her lyrics, they speak to me, say what i am feeling...etc etc. And Selena was killed by a FAN, Thats not true is it??? She was Killed by her Fan club president manager lady, a person that was ripping Selena off, something Salazar (sp) At least thats what i remember, and remember from the movie........ Kev....dogg.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:45:54 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] Please be careful! Everyone...there is an EDA on this list who is trying to make an enormous profit off of Jewel's popularity. Her e-mail is jamieangel1@aol.com Not only is she doing this, but she is also a liar. After promising to sell an item at cover value to me, she then claimed someone else wanted it really badly, so she sold it to them, at face value. Only to find out she then decides she wants to run an "auction" (without letting anyone know what the bids are!) to sell this item. If you have any dealings with this person, PLEASE be careful. Being an EDA, I don't like to be associated with people like this. I hope everyone else feels the same and will not contribute to her profits. Jewel deserves the excess money, if anyone. It's not right, and it shouldn't be allowed to occur. We all know Jewel herself would never condone any behavior like this, and I'd rather be a part of a "group" Jewel supports, rather than something she would reject. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:17:16 +0100 From: "michiel - the dutch Jewelfan - van gorkum" Subject: [EDA] Jewel and her fame hello Jewelfans, I didn't tend to write a story about Jewel's attention to her fans. I think she has changed, it is a normal thing for a singer. Jewel is a singer which inspires her fans by her lyrics. But the recent accoustic shows does point out that Jewel is changing a lot. I don't like that, but it's a matter of fact of live. i still admire her music and words but it would be so much nicer if she still would take some time to talk to her fans. if she doesn't talk or sign things for her fans than she can stop appearing at tvshows, i mean there she doesn't want to talk but she has to because of obligations. let jewel focus on making a new record and try to let her fans enjoy her great songs. bye michiel a dutch jewelfan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:31:54 EST From: HMN333@aol.com Subject: [EDA] new songs Hi all, I know my posts are always a little redundant (Sorry, i try to pay attention!!) But I was wondering if there were any RAs floating around out there of that newer song, I believe it was Does Anyone Believe in Love Anymore.. I haven't heard it yet but have been looking for it.. Just thought I'd ask.. Thanks, Heather HMN333@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:14:23 +0100 From: "michiel - the dutch Jewelfan - van gorkum" Subject: [EDA] trade request for a recent show the Escondidoshow hello Jewelfans, I have a lot to offer for the first person who can trade with me the tape of the Escondidoshow. so i hope you can email and we can work out a trade. god bless you all michiel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:51:23 +0000 From: mjawt@juno.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Poll - Is Jewel mean? >"Andreas" wrote: > >Hi EDAs! > >Because of the recent discussions I decided to put a poll on my website Java >Jewels - http://www.jewel.de.vu > >The question is: Has Jewel the right to be mean to her fans? > >See you at Java Jewels! I don't really think that it's about Jewel's right to be mean to the fans. I think maybe the poll should ask: "Do the fans have the right to an autograph?" With the question of Jewel having the right to be mean to fans, it yields many explanations that cannot be recorded on a poll. Just a suggestion to anyone that knows how to make polls on a webpage. I'm curious as to how the results will turn out from that question for the fans. But good idea about your poll, Andreas. :) Sparks, the Distant Angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:23:39 EST From: jewelchute@aol.com Subject: [EDA] my story hey guys, I think it really sucks that people have found that Jewel was mean at some occasions and i have had my share of doubts on why she is still playing music and staying in the limelight...she doesnt seem to enjoy it all that much...HOWEVER, speaking from just my own experience, i've had an amazing meeting with Jewel...at Storytellers where she bent down to speak with me and sign the set list and she even took my tape that i gave her of a song that i wrote...so i really can't complain. There is a high price for fame and some people can't deal as well as others, unfortunately Jewel may be one of them. I don't have much else to say, but maybe that gives a little spark of hope for those of you that were dissapointed...don't give up on her :) - -lindsey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:27:17 GMT From: "Brooke Collins" Subject: [EDA] cry me a river Last I checked I THINK we were all free to have our own opinions here right? I don't know why some people get all up in arms. Because you're right, She's just a singer. She's just a celebrity and there are a million people out there with one opinion or another about her. What are you gonna do, ream them all for not accepting her every action? Give me a break. My opinion is that it wasn't quite honest to duck out a side door and yes it makes sense. But as I already said before, it doesn't matter that she's not perfect. And I was merely trying to say "hey maybe this is why people expect more from Jewel morally". I was NOT saying that she was REQUIRED to live up to it. Anyway, I think it sort of goes both ways. Jewel should know by now that with the glory comes a price. And at the same time her fans ought to know that she has a life too. But hey, sometimes we've all gotta duck out of a side door in life. Cuz none of us are perfect. Brooke _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:49:26 EST From: EquusJes@aol.com Subject: [EDA] People Magazine/DABIL? Hey EDA's-- In the midst of this entire "meet and greet" mess (remember we all falter), I have failed to see anyone mention Jewel's lengthy feature in People magazine. Harrison Ford graces the cover, but Jewel is praised in a several-page article with several lovely new pics (including a full page closeup, and one with Ty). Check it out. Also, I was listening to "Does Anyone Believe in Love" on the netaid webcast--first time I had heard this song--i thought. However, when I listened to the lyrics more carefully I realized this was the same song Jewel had penned the day of the New Orleans concert on her tour last year! She told the audience "This is a new one--I just wrote it today." I was listening specifically for the lines "Call me naive/ but I believe/ that your two blue eyes/ are all I need" It was a little more polished on netaid, but it was most definitely the same song. Were any of you at the New Orleans show and remember this? Jessica the nature angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:25:11 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel is mean Heh. I just have to smile a bit at the current thread. It seems we've had this discussion at least once a year or so since 1995... (does that make me sound old, or what?) I remember the first couple of times I met her. First, in August 1995, when she was totally unknown outside the areas where she performed in the coffeehouses, she was pretty accessible. Even then, though, I remember that she didn't have much time to hang around and talk, because her schedule was extremely grueling (2-3 performances a day, over 800 in a one-year period as I recall from an official posting to the list). She was happy to talk to the one or two people who came out back to see her, but still had to get back to the hotel and rest. I remember her asking me to send a special message to the list when I got home... The next time, a few months later, she was still far from being a superstar (Feb. 1996); but over a hundred people converged on her after the show. She was still trying to talk to everyone, shake hands, sign stuff, etc. and it took a long time. She was almost giddy (I like that word) with her reaction to the attention. At Jewelstock that summer, attendance was limited to 300 of her closest fans :-) but she still took time to hang out till about 2 in the morning talking to all of us, and even missed a flight the next evening so she could stay late for her fans. Relatively small group, major time sink. She still smiled all the way through. I know from anecdotes of those years that she was doing much less songwriting as the press of concerts and appearances increased; most everything she performed in '96-'97 was older stuff. It wasn't till after she took some time off that the majority of songs for Spirit happened. If she was too busy to sit quietly alone writing the kinds of songs that made her important to us in the first place, what were we to expect? Man, I'm not a songwriter, but I know a few; and when they're too busy touring and handling business stuff, they don't get time to create and to catch up on their lives. Creativity suffers. Maybe some artists do well when they're under uncomfortable constraints (I'm sure some of you can name a few), but apparently Jewel needs some space to come up with the music we anticipate from her. If her "obligation" to us is to produce quality music, we are "obligated" to give her time to sit, think, and write. Sound fair? - -- | Greg Dunn | who am I, that I should be vying | | gregdunn@indy.net | for your touch? who am I; bet | | The Sultan of Slack(tm) | you can't even tell me that much | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Ani DiFranco | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:41:20 EST From: JusAgapAd@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean oh i don't mean she hates performing...i mean she hates all the stuff that goes along with it...meaning> signings........umm......appearances....interviews....she seems to hate everything about being a celebrity EXCEPT for singing...which i guess is all thats really important anyway. sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:44:09 EST From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing Well, there are a couple of things I feel prompted to say on this matter. The first being that I'm impressed that, for the most part, we have been able to keep this as a discussion or debate as opposed to a flame war. I'm glad to see Mark aka Sparks posting again. I remember him and Wendy from the Gathering of Angels and they made an impression on me of being soooo happy, it was inspiring to watch. The following paragraph posted by Allena nearly made me gag, however: >Jewel has no right to disregard the people that she has attracted with >her >music. I'm sick of hearing that she's too good to meet her fans.... that >is a >crock of shit. [ETC.] Jewel has every RIGHT to do anything she wants! and Kevin wrote: >I do think in a small part jewel owe us, or all celbs in general. They >are >making money off us, that is the bottom line...if it dont make DOLLARS > it >dont make Sence... If we are not into the celb. then they are just commen >people for the most part, no Freebies, no photo shoots, no Mag. covers, >no big checks, no world wide vacations, and she doesn't OWE us a damn thing either! Here's how it works: I go to a store. I pick out a cd I think I might like. I bring it to the counter and give the cashier some money. Some of this money goes to the record label and some goes to the artist (celebratory one or not). I have given Jewel something (some money) and she has given me something (some great music that I will enjoy for many years to come). I think I'm actually getting the better end of the bargain! Does she owe me anything beyond that? NO. Same goes for concerts. Someone said it is her duty (or something like that) to meet and greet fans that come from far and wide to see her show. Let me emphasize TO SEE HER SHOW. We pay money for a ticket and Jewel puts on an awesome show. She WOULD be irresponsible if she said "I don't feel like performing tonight so I'm just gonna cancel" but not if she doesn't feel like coming out to greet everyone night after night. I once had a conversation with Steve Poltz about this subject. He said flat out that Jewel is not the social type and given the choice, she usually will not hang out with fans (which, of course, is the complete opposite of Steve). Anyway, enjoy what you have and next time you feel like someone owes you something, why not choose to give more of yourself instead? Amy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:32:30 EST From: HisLittLeEvaNgeL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] jewel's bad moods HI everyone It is evident that many people have posted negative experiences when they met Jewel and many more have posted about having wonderful experiences when they met Jewel, myself included. However, even during my wonderful experience Jewel embarrassed me in front of my friends - I said something to jokingly comment/change the subject and she made me feel stupid. She was talking about how she didn't feel well that day and we were telling her to feel bteter ( i mean how long can you speak on that topic?) so she said "You know how when it rains it pours?" and I said, jokingly, "Yeah like the Lilith Fair in Scranton, PA" and she, replied "I didn't mean literally" - totally deadpan like i was a moron. But the rest of the conversation went along fine after i sucked it up.. But see that's not evidence that she's a bitch - (or maybe it is) BUt to me it proves that she's a regular person. Imagine meeting a random Joe Shmoe at a club or something and he being "kinda rude" to you. We all have to give people a chance and remember that their personal lives might not be as good as yours and they may be in a sour mood, or it might be their time of the month! We have to look at celebrities with a little bit of reality mixed in. That's my 83 cents :) Take care everyone - -Linda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:39:30 +0000 From: mjawt@juno.com Subject: [EDA] No One Was Crippled, Oh So Famous Jewel >"~*~Sandy~*~" wrote: > >On another note, I'm sure that crippled, or disabled people don't want to be >treated special just because of their disability. In reality, just because >someone is crippled does not make them more of a fan, or more deserving of >something other than human kindness which we all deserve. If I was in that >situation, I would not want to bother a weary celebrity and force them to >give me an autograph just because of my condition - because they feel guilt >enough to come out. Nor should we feel "extra" sadness for that person whom >missed her autograph. These people are special in many ways - they know >enough not to take things for granted, they know human compassion - but I'm >sure that they want to treated like a normal person and not special because >of their condition. JMO. SO much for brief! LOL, Sandy if I could reach you, I'd give you a BIG hug! That's exactly the point! Every since someone used the word "crippled", people have been repeating it over and over again. But damn, I don't think anyone in the whole Cerritos Performing Arts Center was crippled. Who the hell was crippled? As I've mentioned before, Wendy is NOT crippled. :) Just some FYI. :) >kevin maguire wrote: > >I do think in a small part jewel owe us, or all celbs in general. They are >making money off us, that is the bottom line...if it dont make DOLLARS it >dont make Sence... If you CHOOSE to go to Jewel concerts, then Jewel becomes famous. You CHOSE to do that and in effect, made Jewel famous. It's kind of like saying, I CHOSE to make you, now you have to do things for me. We chose to make Jewel like this, so why should we expect anything from her? I mean, we got what we wanted, right? We got to hear the songs that make us happy and inspire us. We got watch her entertain us. That's all we can expect from her for paying for the tickets to get in. After that, it's back to your personal lives. We chose to make Jewel famous and we just have to deal with it and not expect anything in return. True, we'll get some things in return like an autograph or a meeting, but that's entirely Jewel's choice, not our demand. >Also Sparks are you a Christian? you meantion God offten, about Jewel >still being the person he meant for her to be, also in your email about >Wendy..... Just wondering brother.... I don't really associate myself with a church or religous organizations. In my opinion, they're all wrong in some way or another, held by fallacious tradition and distortions of the heart. I believe in God and the church is inside my heart. Unlabeled and undefined, he exists inside me to do his works here on Earth. Thanks for your response, Kevin. Take care. :) Sparks, the Distant Angel Sparks, the Distant Angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #411 ***************************