From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #404 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, November 18 2000 Volume 05 : Number 404 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #401 ["Tom Browning" ] [EDA] setlist for online concert ["Kris Tetzlaff" ] [EDA] Does anyone know? :( [Spirit1924@aol.com] [EDA] too tired to meet and greet ["Brooke Collins" ] Re: [EDA] Cerritos Show [EDAEDAEDAEDA@aol.com] [EDA] old picture ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] hang on a sec ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] Old picture (new link) ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] Re: [EDA] too tired to meet and greet ["Raymond J Sibley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:40:05 EST From: "Tom Browning" Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #401 yeah, I certainly know what your talkin' about there...that's about the storyy of my life, not to complain or anything...but yeah, I think it's better to have said something to that person that you cared so much for than not to and wonder what might have been. It's really hard but you kinda have to be willing to make yourself somewhat vulnerable, which most people aren't willing to do (myself included). But hey, if you're willing to make a fool of yourself, things will work out in the end, at least that's what people tell me. tom the "cactus" angel http://mypage.goplay.com/tippasaurus Ross:"Actually, I haven't even been home - do you mind if I check my messages?" Rachel: "Oh yeah, go ahead." Ross: "Rach! - I got a message from you!...Who's Michael?" Rachel: "Oh my god...Oh my god Ross no hang up the phone! (runs over and jumps onto Ross) Gimme the phone Ross! Gimme the phone gimme the phone gimme the phone!"(they bump into kitchen sink) Ross: "You're over me????" Rachel:"oh my god oh god oh god" Ross: "What, you're uh, you're over me????" Rachel:"oh god oh oh oh" Ross: "When..when were you...under me????" > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:13:14 EST >From: Jewelsmj1@aol.com >Subject: [EDA] NJC: just something to think about... > > Have you ever noticed that the worst way to miss someone is when >they >are right beside you and yet you can never have them…when the moment you >can't feel them under you fingertips you miss them? Have you ever wondered >which hurts most; saying something and wishing you had not, or saying >nothing >and wishing you had? I guess the most important things are the hardest >things >to say. Don't be afraid to tell someone you love them. If you do, they >might >break your heart…but if you don't you might break theirs. Have you >decided >not to become a couple because you were so afraid of losing what you >already >had with that person? You heart decides whom it likes, and whom it doesn't. >You can't tell your heart what to do. It does it on it's own…when you >least >suspect it, or even when you don't want it to. Have you ever wanted to love >someone with everything you had but that other person was/is to afraid to >let >you? Too many of us stay walled because we are too afraid to care too >much…for fear that the other person does not care as much, or at all. >Have >you ever loved someone and they had absolutely no idea whatsoever? Or fell >for your best friend in the entire world and then sat around and watched >them >fall for someone else? Have you ever denied your feelings for someone >because >your fear of rejection was too hard to handle? We tell lies when we are >afraid…afraid of what we don't know, afraid of what will be found out >about >its. But every time we tell a lie…the thing we fear grows stronger. Life >is >all about risks and it requires you to jump. Don't be a person who has to >look back and wonder what they would have had. No one waits forever…just >something to think about… >Love, Sarah >"the michigan angel" > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:31:05 CST From: "Kris Tetzlaff" Subject: [EDA] setlist for online concert i've been sick all week, and i had nothin to do yesterday since i skipped all my classes...so i watched the online concert yesterday 3 times (and tried to figure out some tabs). anyway i was disappointed to not hear "until the fall"...anyway, for those of you who havent seen the concert (and for those of you who think they heard "until the fall"), i wrote down the setlist... Does Anyone Believe In Love? Stephenville SIBTW Grey Matter Near You Always Race Car Driver I Thought I Saw You Silver Lining WSIT WWSYS Too Darn Hot Innocence Maintained a reading from CDTD Rosie and Mick Cold Song Little Sister Violet Eyes YWMFM Chime Bells - -kris "It will be a year coming this 4th of July/when, for the last time, we held your hand/and you closed your violet eyes" -JK, 'violet eyes' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:41:13 EST From: Spirit1924@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Does anyone know? :( Hello Angels, I have a problem, I don't ever get to watch video clips because it says I'm behind a firewall, I am able to download Mp3s, but NO video clips, so I missed the netaid concert. If someone can help me, I would truely appreciate it. PLEASE! Thanks for your time. ~Kristin~ *The East Coast/ Independent Angel* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:54:32 GMT From: "Brooke Collins" Subject: [EDA] too tired to meet and greet Mariah, I don't really have any comforting words...except that fame does a lot of things to a lot of people. I'm know she's not a bad person. She's got a good heart and we're all capable of being selfish or whatever. Unfortunately some of the things she does these days does tend to make her music ring hollow. I know it's her life...but with adoration comes some responsibilities, NOT obligations mind you, just things that you really should do. Like spend a couple minutes with your fans to show that the words in your music are more than just words. I hope that your post isn't met with too much hostility. While Jewel does many wonderful charitable things, we all still need to realize that Jewel is not divine. She's not perfect. She's not utterly, and completely selfless. She's just a person and we need to accept the good with the bad I guess. Especially in the spirit of the Christmas season. Brooke _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:53:29 EST From: EDAEDAEDAEDA@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Cerritos Show It just really built up: The bigger we got, the more unreality I had to face and the more I was expected to do - until when you didn't shake hands with a fan or talk to some poor crippled child wheeled up to us every single night, we faced abuse and screaming "How dare you!" There was always that. They were always threatening what they would tell the press, to make bad publicity about us, if we didn't see their bloody daughter with braces on her teeth sitting in her wheelchair. And it was always the most obnoxious kids, because they had the most obnoxious parents. We had so many people thrust on us and they all expected us to see them all the time. Those were the most humiliating experiences. - John Lennon In a message dated 11/17/2000 5:03:10 PM, authentic24@yahoo.com writes: << I am heartbroken this morning. I saw Jewel's performance in Cerritos last night, (she sounded phenomenal), and afterwards we noticed a crowd of about 25 waiting by the stage door exit. We decided to wait for her. While we were waiting, we noticed a girl in a wheelchair who did not have any arms OR legs. The girls mom, (I'm assuming it was her mom), kept telling all of Jewel's people, (roadies, security guards, and basically anyone she could stop), about her daughter and about how it was a dream of hers to meet Jewel. We then continued to wait in the freezing cold for nearly two hours with Jewels associates coming out every so often to tell us that Jewel would be right out. Then, after Steve Poltz, (who was so very kind and took the time to sign autographs), and everyone else left, a security guard came out and told us that Jewel had not 'felt like' meeting with fans and had dodged out another door. The girl in the wheelchair's mother nearly cried. The security guard told her how sorry he was and that he didn't have any control over Jewels decisions. He also said that Jewel WAS made aware of the girl in the wheelchair who was waiting but had decided she was too tired, (even though she stayed after the show for nearly two hours 'mingling' with people like Pierce Brosnan). To Jewel, it may be just another night of meeting faceless fans, but for those of us who were waiting it was a rare opportunity that would have been a highlight in many peoples lives. I am so upset to think that Jewel could be such a hypocrite. She sings about loving one another and treating people with kindness but then she wouldn't take even 10 minutes with a small group of fans. Besides that, if I knew that a girl in a wheelchair without any limbs was waiting for me in the freezing cold, I not only would have felt incredibly touched but I also would have allowed her to come inside for a moment even if I was too tired to 'deal' with a crowd. I am now very disenchanted with Jewels words and music. I can't imagine acheiving a level such as she has and then becoming unable to be 'bothered' by the people who help you get and stay there. I have met several entertainers as I am in the business and have never experienced anything like this. Most people allot themselves at least 10 minutes when they leave a show. If anyone has any comforting words for me, I would love to hear them. I have always found great comfort in Jewels music and words. I am sad to believe it was all manufactured. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:24:07 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] old picture A rare pic of Jewel many or most of you may have never seen...notice the writing on the top of her hand! :-) At least now she's learned to put it on the "inside" of her hand...hehe...such as on Politically Incorrect last week. She's 18 here, by the way...pre-Innerchange Days. Derrick http://www.myitem.com/imagedetails.html?ImageID=539826656 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:38:31 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] hang on a sec Regarding the old picture...I'm sending a new link...sorry. The new one will WORK. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:44:03 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] Old picture (new link) This one will work. http://www.myitem.com/viewimage.html?ctg=2&image=539826656.jpeg Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:15:15 +0000 From: mjawt@juno.com Subject: [EDA] Cerritos, Girl W/O Arms & Legs <<< wrote: Yes, Joe, we all saw you in the front row on the left side and noticed when you gave Jewel the flowers. :) They were quite nice too. Did you notice when Mark went up there and gave her flowers? He even modeled his old EDA shirt in front of the fans while taking his flowers up! :> hehe>>>> < wrote: >I am heartbroken this morning. I saw Jewel's >performance in Cerritos last night, (she sounded >phenomenal), and afterwards we noticed a crowd of >about 25 waiting by the stage door exit. We decided to >wait for her. While we were waiting, we noticed a girl >in a wheelchair who did not have any arms OR legs. The >girls mom, (I'm assuming it was her mom), kept telling >all of Jewel's people, (roadies, security guards, and >basically anyone she could stop), about her daughter >and about how it was a dream of hers to meet Jewel. We >then continued to wait in the freezing cold for nearly >two hours with Jewels associates coming out every so >often to tell us that Jewel would be right out. Then, >after Steve Poltz, (who was so very kind and took the >time to sign autographs), and everyone else left, a >security guard came out and told us that Jewel had not >'felt like' meeting with fans and had dodged out >another door. The girl in the wheelchair's mother >nearly cried. The security guard told her how sorry he >was and that he didn't have any control over Jewels >decisions. He also said that Jewel WAS made aware of >the girl in the wheelchair who was waiting but had >decided she was too tired, (even though she stayed >after the show for nearly two hours 'mingling' with >people like Pierce Brosnan). To Jewel, it may be just >another night of meeting faceless fans, but for those >of us who were waiting it was a rare opportunity that >would have been a highlight in many peoples lives. I >am so upset to think that Jewel could be such a >hypocrite. She sings about loving one another and >treating people with kindness but then she wouldn't >take even 10 minutes with a small group of fans. >Besides that, if I knew that a girl in a wheelchair >without any limbs was waiting for me in the freezing >cold, I not only would have felt incredibly touched >but I also would have allowed her to come inside for a >moment even if I was too tired to 'deal' with a crowd. >I am now very disenchanted with Jewels words and >music. I can't imagine acheiving a level such as she >has and then becoming unable to be 'bothered' by the >people who help you get and stay there. I have met >several entertainers as I am in the business and have >never experienced anything like this. Most people >allot themselves at least 10 minutes when they leave a >show. If anyone has any comforting words for me, I >would love to hear them. I have always found great >comfort in Jewels music and words. I am sad to believe >it was all manufactured.>> ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:12:31 +1300 From: "Nick Wong" Subject: RE: [EDA] The old picture Hi there Derrick and fellow EDAs can anyone make out what was written on Jewel's hand in the picture. I was just a little curious. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:07:43 -0500 From: "Raymond J Sibley" Subject: Re: [EDA] too tired to meet and greet I wonder if Jewel remembers its her fans who made her what she is today, we all have to do things on our jobs or school that we really dont feel like doing sometimes but we have to do them, we work a lot more hours than she does and make a lot less money, count me as one ex-jewel fan.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brooke Collins To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:54 PM Subject: [EDA] too tired to meet and greet > Mariah, > > I don't really have any comforting words...except that fame does a lot of > things to a lot of people. I'm know she's not a bad person. She's got a good > heart and we're all capable of being selfish or whatever. Unfortunately some > of the things she does these days does tend to make her music ring hollow. I > know it's her life...but with adoration comes some responsibilities, NOT > obligations mind you, just things that you really should do. Like spend a > couple minutes with your fans to show that the words in your music are more > than just words. > > I hope that your post isn't met with too much hostility. While Jewel does > many wonderful charitable things, we all still need to realize that Jewel is > not divine. She's not perfect. She's not utterly, and completely selfless. > She's just a person and we need to accept the good with the bad I guess. > Especially in the spirit of the Christmas season. > > Brooke > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:51:58 -0800 From: "S.H." Subject: Re: [EDA] Cerritos Show I have to agree with this. Sure, it would be have super nice of Jewel to stop by and say "hi" to everyone, but I can understand why you might not want to night after night. I mean and perhaps she really wasn't even having much fun after the show mingling with those big shots...but felt she had to do that and was just so wanting to get out of there! I can see how it would feel having waited there and seeing the girl who wanted to meet her so badly, but I feel that even though perhaps she was told of the situation it is hard to think about what it would mean when you are always on the side of screaming people. It is kinda funny cause those of us that love Jewel's work so much and see her concerts, buy all her stuff, etc. I mean we feel special like we are a part of Jewel's career and life, but yet to her it seems like there are so many people that are always wanting to say hi and get an autograph. I just don't think we should let ourselves get down on someone from a situation like this. Not sure how much sense this all makes, but it is how I feel anyway. :-) Steve EDAEDAEDAEDA@aol.com wrote: > It just really built up: The bigger we got, the more unreality I had to face > and the more I was expected to do - until when you didn't shake hands with a > fan or talk to some poor crippled child wheeled up to us every single night, > we faced abuse and screaming "How dare you!" There was always that. They were > always threatening what they would tell the press, to make bad publicity > about us, if we didn't see their bloody daughter with braces on her teeth > sitting in her wheelchair. And it was always the most obnoxious kids, because > they had the most obnoxious parents. We had so many people thrust on us and > they all expected us to see them all the time. Those were the most > humiliating experiences. - John Lennon > > In a message dated 11/17/2000 5:03:10 PM, authentic24@yahoo.com writes: > > << I am heartbroken this morning. I saw Jewel's > performance in Cerritos last night, (she sounded > phenomenal), and afterwards we noticed a crowd of > about 25 waiting by the stage door exit. We decided to > wait for her. While we were waiting, we noticed a girl > in a wheelchair who did not have any arms OR legs. The > girls mom, (I'm assuming it was her mom), kept telling > all of Jewel's people, (roadies, security guards, and > basically anyone she could stop), about her daughter > and about how it was a dream of hers to meet Jewel. We > then continued to wait in the freezing cold for nearly > two hours with Jewels associates coming out every so > often to tell us that Jewel would be right out. Then, > after Steve Poltz, (who was so very kind and took the > time to sign autographs), and everyone else left, a > security guard came out and told us that Jewel had not > 'felt like' meeting with fans and had dodged out > another door. The girl in the wheelchair's mother > nearly cried. The security guard told her how sorry he > was and that he didn't have any control over Jewels > decisions. He also said that Jewel WAS made aware of > the girl in the wheelchair who was waiting but had > decided she was too tired, (even though she stayed > after the show for nearly two hours 'mingling' with > people like Pierce Brosnan). To Jewel, it may be just > another night of meeting faceless fans, but for those > of us who were waiting it was a rare opportunity that > would have been a highlight in many peoples lives. I > am so upset to think that Jewel could be such a > hypocrite. She sings about loving one another and > treating people with kindness but then she wouldn't > take even 10 minutes with a small group of fans. > Besides that, if I knew that a girl in a wheelchair > without any limbs was waiting for me in the freezing > cold, I not only would have felt incredibly touched > but I also would have allowed her to come inside for a > moment even if I was too tired to 'deal' with a crowd. > I am now very disenchanted with Jewels words and > music. I can't imagine acheiving a level such as she > has and then becoming unable to be 'bothered' by the > people who help you get and stay there. I have met > several entertainers as I am in the business and have > never experienced anything like this. Most people > allot themselves at least 10 minutes when they leave a > show. If anyone has any comforting words for me, I > would love to hear them. I have always found great > comfort in Jewels music and words. I am sad to believe > it was all manufactured. >> ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #404 ***************************