From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #297 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, September 19 2000 Volume 05 : Number 297 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- * THANKS [LisaS43430@aol.com] * NJC: EDA information [] * Sean Hooks' Latest Inflammatory Post [Harrisbros@aol.com] * Chicago Gathering???? [Spenser68@aol.com] * Any Puyallup Show Angels? [Buster2530@aol.com] * Jewel mentioned by Rob Thomas [deirdre ] * NJC: Sean's post and the past weekend! [Tlcathome@aol.com] [none] ["Kelli Coppens" ] Re: * Any Puyallup Show Angels? [ALVolkle@aol.com] * Responding to Dennis Harris's post ["Kelli Coppens" Subject: * NJC: EDA information Hi everybody! Now that I have introduced myself, I would like to know more about EDA. If somebody could e-mail or possibly snail-mail me some information about EDA, I'd greatly appreciate it. I wish there was some way I could become more involved i.e. going to EDA gatherings or anything else the group does. Being in the Air Force and Overseas seriously limits my involvement, but if there is anyway I can become more involved in EDA please let me know. Take care everyone! Donovan The Singing Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 03:36:03 EDT From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: * Sean Hooks' Latest Inflammatory Post *** Sean Hooks has written another one of his spiteful posts, slandering and labeling "EDA list vets" as hypocrites who backstabbed him at this past weekends beach cleanup... while I have two much more significant things to post about, I feel I have to first respond to this snipe attack, then let people believe what they will---> First, a quick introduction is in order. My name is Dennis Harris (aka "Harris Brothers"), and I have been extremely active in this EDA community since 1996. I have met over a thousand EDAs face-to-face across the country. Formerly a prolific poster to this list, I have been involved in promoting the EveryDay Angels community, including the establishment of The EveryDay Angels Foundation. I say "formerly" as many of my seemingly "off-topic" posts have not been deemed appropriate to the core purpose of this list (ie, fawning over the most trivial aspects of Jewel Kilcher). I have written many posts about people and events that I felt define EDAs, only to hold them back -- just last week I deleted 148 unsent posts that I had written since late 1997. While this gives me no more right than anyone else to offer an opinion, I do feel that it gives my opinion some credibility. I consistently "talk the talk" AND "walk the walk", while leading by example. This past weekend, I personally gave Sean's "friend" the advice of "well, you really should look at your history of relationships before jumping into another with Sean, as he obviously has his own issues." THAT was the extent of any comments I am aware of. The only other negative personal comments about Sean I have heard came from another EDA he had dated, and whom he obviously parted with on bad terms. Quite frankly, Sean's predatory conduct (ie, showing up on Saturday night and immediately targeting and hitting VERY hard on female EDAs) at the two Bearsville campouts he did attend offends me (I have made this quite clear to both Sean and several other EDAs involved). Ironically, Sean's "defender" repeatedly -- and angrily -- rejected his highly aggressive advances this past summer, whether she remembers it or not. Other than riding watch on Sean that night, I have always greeted Sean with open arms and offers of food, drink, shelter and anything else I could to make him feel welcome in our so-called "clique". I, for one, am willing to repeat ANYTHING to someone's face that I say when they are not around. This is a character trait I am very proud of. (If you suspect I have said something wrong about you, feel free to email me and I'll repeat all the comments I can recall for you... ;-) Sean's reputation on this list has traditionally been that of the self-proclaimed outsider who makes inflammatory statements for the simple purpose of upsetting others and amusing himself with the resulting chaos. This type of post is indicative of Sean's nature, and I can accept his nature. People are what they are, and they have every right to remain so. But when they distort the truth to create havoc, they should be exposed as doing so. I dislike public piss fights; they leave everyone dirty and unsatisfied. I only speak publically about this situation because Sean has chosen to publically slander EDAs who actually DO positive things. What I CANNOT understand is why the list moderator (Mike) will publish Sean's bullshit post, and those discussing such "deep" topics as Jewel's breasts and similar shallow threads, while REFUSING to publish posts from teenage EveryDay Angels who write how they do positive things in their communities or are inspired by Jewel and their fellow list members to live their lives to the fullest. Such posts are considered "off topic," and inappropriate for this fan list. They are instead shuttled off to the poetry list or routed to the EDAF list for limited distribution. The EDA community has steadily eroded over the past two years (in the opinion of myself and many other longtime EDAs). I would venture to make an educated guess that the J-team would prefer community building and leading by example rather than dwelling on Jewel adulation and the shallow discussion that has slowly replaced the incredible personal bonds that existed on this list the prior two years. No, I will go further than that: I KNOW FOR A FACT that members of the J-team prefer community building and people reaching their potentials to seeing just more silly Jewel gossip clutter the internet. I love Mike like a brother, but we have disagreed on this point for years now. If you guys want the true EDA community back, let Mike know (please). For Sean Hooks to interrupt the recent thread of tributes for a true EDA like the late Mykle Mariette (who also attended two Bearsville campouts, but for entirely different reasons) with his paranoid accusations disgusts me. Sorry about the obvious bitterness I feel, but lieing bullshit is lieing bullshit. Dennis Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:44:22 EDT From: Spenser68@aol.com Subject: * Chicago Gathering???? Greetings everyone, It's been a while since my last post but due to wedding (Aug. 26) have been a bit busy.. Anyway would like to know if there are any of you interested in having a lil' get together? Maybe a bbq at our house before the weather goes bad? Hope all is peaceful in your corner of EDA land. :) Peace, Spenser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:12:28 EDT From: Buster2530@aol.com Subject: * Any Puyallup Show Angels? EDA's, Hey, I was wondering if any of you were going to the Jewel show this Saturday at the Puyallup Fairgrounds? I'm just kinda curious at who all is going. =) -John *Angel who needs a name* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:28:20 -0400 From: deirdre Subject: * Jewel mentioned by Rob Thomas Hey angels, I found a song on Napster with Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20 and Adam Duritz of Counting Crows. I'm not sure the exact title of it but it's probably something like, "Mammas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys." It was a live performance and in the beginning Rob was talking to the crowd explaining the song and he said, "Hold on, hold on. It's gotta be like a Jewel moment 'cause there has to be -- it's gotta be quiet!" How about that? :) - -Deirdre ________________________________________________ Deirdre C. Mandryk dcm206@psu.edu "I saw an angel in a bathroom who said she saw no one worth saving anywhere." - -Jewel ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:18:54 EDT From: Tlcathome@aol.com Subject: * NJC: Sean's post and the past weekend! Hi all! I know I should just let it go, and not let it get to me, but as are all of us here, I'm just human and am allowed not to be perfect, and since Sean addressed the entire list rather than the individuals he's upset with, I feel that is how I should respond..... Sean - get over yourself please! IF anything was said in the way that you mentioned, it was most likely a 3 minute conversation out of the entire weekend by 2 people out of about 20. Yes, people say things they shouldn't, and no, we're not perfect or better than anyone else, but the weekend was focused on beach cleanup, being silly and stupid, spending time with each other, LRC's, and just having a fun time - not stabbing Sean in the back.... (I think I heard your name twice the whole weekend - once from your female friend who told me she was seeing you the next day - and only because I invited her to crash here and not have to drive home after the LRC, and once when another EDA said you two were dating...) You were pretty quick to trash my beliefs and values at Bearsville without any respect for my opinions - disagreeing with you does not automatically make a person closed-minded, so let's just leave that alone. Anyway, I'm done with this stupid moment and am going on to my next one :-) Hugs to all who want them :-) Tammy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:04:18 EDT From: "Kelli Coppens" Subject: [none] I simply can’t ignore what has been said about me and someone I care about; I am the friend referred to in Sean’s and Dennis’s posts. Well, I am quite livid to say the least. First of all, about the "only" comment that Dennis "claims" he made about me looking at my history of relationships before getting into another one is a comment that Dennis CERTAINLY did not make – at least not to my face. That is, in my opinion, quite insulting to ANOTHER EDA –not being Sean- (many of you know who I mean) and honestly if Dennis HAD said this, I would’ve agreed being that I don’t think highly of that person whatsoever and that I agree that yes, I have made poor choices in relationships in the past. Whom, by the way, was (I thought) a friend of Dennis and now after this insult it shows Dennis can be rather two-faced about his friendships. I, on the other hand, have always been completely honest about people I like and dislike. What Dennis DID say to me in regards to Sean was completely different then what he claims and I would never exaggerate or outright LIE like Dennis had in his post about what was said. I have no reason to. I really generally like the EDAs including Dennis and there is no reason why I would try to create enemies between people when I have nothing against them. I feel incredibly insulted by these accusations that I stretch the truth. Something that I know I have never given anyone the impression that I am the type that would do that for entertainment or otherwise. Yes, I do remember what went on at this summer’s Bearsville. And I clearly remember that I certainly did not respond "ANGRILY" towards anyone! I ALSO remember a LOT of EDAs making advances on OTHER EDAs (hey, I could name names if you’d like) those being much stronger advances than anything Sean did. So I ask you Dennis, why does he offend you so much more than anyone else?? And furthermore, why would such a thing offend you at all?? To publicly state your opinion of someone and make it sound so factual is something I personally cannot respect. "A self-proclaimed outsider who makes inflammatory statements for the simple purpose of upsetting others and amusing himself with the resulting chaos" To say this of someone is just undeniably wrong unless he has personally told you that this is the reason why he makes such comments to the list. I think the real bullshit here is the fact that if someone openly disagrees with statements made on the list, they are automatically proclaimed as "causing" the chaos and that person is marked as having an agenda for doing so. The people who agree with the majority so they can steer clear of being disliked are the ones that ARE causing the chaos on the list by not respecting a different opinion than their own. I personally have a lot of respect for Sean who does NOT "distort the truth to create havoc" as in what Dennis said but DOES simply have no shame in voicing his honest opinions. - - Kelli _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:07:19 EDT From: ALVolkle@aol.com Subject: Re: * Any Puyallup Show Angels? Hey John- Well you KNOW I am going to be there..I can hardly wait!!!! I am so glad I have school on Saturday so my day will go fast!!! See you there:) TTYS Amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:17:37 EDT From: "Kelli Coppens" Subject: * Responding to Dennis Harris's post I simply cant ignore what has been said about me and someone I care about, I am the friend referred to in Seans and Denniss posts. Well, I am quite livid to say the least. First of all, about the "only" comment that Dennis "claims" he made about me looking at my history of relationships before getting into another one is a comment that Dennis CERTAINLY did not make, at least not to my face. That is, in my opinion, quite insulting to ANOTHER EDA, not being Sean (many of you know who I mean) and honestly if Dennis HAD said this, I wouldve agreed being that I don’t think highly of that person whatsoever and that I agree that yes, I have made poor choices in relationships in the past. Whom, by the way, was (I thought) a friend of Dennis and now after this insult it shows Dennis can be rather two-faced about his friendships. I, on the other hand, have always been completely honest about people I like and dislike. What Dennis DID say to me in regards to Sean was completely different then what he claims and I would never exaggerate or outright LIE like Dennis had in his post about what was said. I have no reason to. I really generally like the EDAs including Dennis and there is no reason why I would try to create enemies between people when I have nothing against them. I feel incredibly insulted by these accusations that I stretch the truth. Something that I know I have never given anyone the impression that I am the type that would do that for entertainment or otherwise. Yes, I do remember what went on at this summers Bearsville. And I clearly remember that I certainly did not respond "ANGRILY" towards anyone! I ALSO remember a LOT of EDAs making advances on OTHER EDAs (hey, I could name names if youd like) those being much stronger advances than anything Sean did. So I ask you Dennis, why does he offend you so much more than anyone else?? And furthermore, why would such a thing offend you at all?? To publicly state your opinion of someone and make it sound so factual is something I personally cannot respect. "A self-proclaimed outsider who makes inflammatory statements for the simple purpose of upsetting others and amusing himself with the resulting chaos" To say this of someone is just undeniably wrong unless he has personally told you that this is the reason why he makes such comments to the list. I think the real bullshit here is the fact that if someone openly disagrees with statements made on the list, they are automatically proclaimed as "causing" the chaos and that person is marked as having an agenda for doing so. The people who agree with the majority so they can steer clear of being disliked are the ones that ARE causing the chaos on the list by not respecting a different opinion than their own. I personally have a lot of respect for Sean who does NOT "distort the truth to create havoc" as in what Dennis said but DOES simply have no shame in voicing his honest opinions. - -Kelli _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:47:15 +0200 From: "T Hall" Subject: Re: * Sean Hooks' Latest Inflammatory Post <> Having the 'true EDA community' back would be great, but really it's not gonna happen... The list started out as a group of people interested in an independent, unknown artist. As time's gone on she's become a superstar, a celebrity, and the fans are now way too diverse a group to agree on a lot of things... I joined the list 3 years ago and, yes, it was a lot better for those few months I was on when it was unmoderated, but the list is still good for information about Jewel, as well as the occasional 'true EDA-style' post... I've never been to a gathering or anything (Europe isn't exactly famous for those), so I can't comment on them... But I have to say that, in terms of the 'EDA spirit', FTE is a lot more like the old EDA list I joined... That said, these kind of discussions went on before... And that time when Mike decided to let the list go unmoderated for a few days wasn't exactly the best few days on the list :)... Hey, let's do it again [1]! Hmmmm... Tom. The I don't have an Angel-name Angel. With 'this probably won't get through, will it [2] ?' issues. [1] - seriously, let's go unmoderated again, it was very interesting, at least! [2] - oops... 2nd FTE reference in one post [3]... will I get kicked or just flamed for that? [3] - is it even legal to be a Jewel *and* Sarah fan [4] at the same time? [4] - I also like Dido... And Mary Beth... Oh, and Tara... Any objections? ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #297 ***************************