From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #614 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, October 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 614 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "Presence" * OR * go to the Atlantic Records site at http://www.atlantic-records.com * and go to the "On Tour" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- * christmas album ["renee c" ] * Jewel ram's [UnicornDreamer2@webtv.net ((\\o/)Crystal(\\o/))] * Jewel was... [Big Sexy Angel ] * Jewel's Religion [Agent BB ] * jewel's what simple is true single ["michiel - Jewelfan- van gorkum" ] * Jeweligion [Amias Maldonado ] * Innocence Maintained [Barry Howarth ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:34:46 PDT From: "renee c" Subject: * christmas album Hi Guys This is only for Australian EDA's. I don't know if this has all ready been posted? Jewel's christmas album Joy - - A Holiday Collection will be released on the 8th of November. Thought you guys would like to know:) Renee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: UnicornDreamer2@webtv.net ((\\o/)Crystal(\\o/)) Subject: * Jewel ram's Hi there Angels My mom belongs to a music mailing list and she was sent a website that has a lot of music in ram format. Well, she went to the J's to look for Jewel songs for me, and low and behold, all of her songs on POY and Spirit are on here!!! Maybe some of you already knew about it but here it is anyways: http://www.maidmarian25.com/pagejkl.html ~*Crystal*~ a webtv angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:39:48 -0500 From: Big Sexy Angel Subject: * Jewel was... One liners are the best... We all have a right to ask questions, especially on this list, it's a discussion list! There's one word for certain kinds of people... hate! "Scott S." -Big Sexy Angel "Without fear, there would be no accomplishment, no testing of our limitation, no fun!" P.E.A.C.C.EŠ President/Founder and Proud EDA! http://homestead.com/rocksolid ICQ#9685289 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Agent BB Subject: * Jewel's Religion Hi, Thought I would add my 2 cents because so far I haven't read any posts from LDS (mormon) people. As you all know Jewel was raised as a mormon and still would be if her father hadn't screwed up and got x-communicated from our church. But everything I hear from her is she is a spiritual person, not a relgious person. BB http://www.netvaults.com/jewel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:41:45 +0200 From: "michiel - Jewelfan- van gorkum" Subject: * jewel's what simple is true single hello Jewelfans, will jewel release the new single what simple is true a single that you can buy in the stores? or will it only be on the soundtrack for the new movie?? is there somebody who can answer this question. bye, michiel a dutch jewelfan http://home.wxs.nl/~gorku004/frame.html Jewel impala - Jewel's home in holland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:10:40 EDT From: MAC14460@aol.com Subject: * Angelness Dear Angels, No two of us are identical. We are all individuals with different backgrounds and, our own frame of reference. Our diversity and our common pursuit to be "angel-like every day," is what gives our unique group the strength to accomplish good things as individuals and as a group. How many of us at the very least said a prayer for Angel Jessica's nephew, an eight month-old boy afflicted with a disease which, without a bone marrow transplant, will end up causing blindness, deafness, retardation and then death by the age of 5? I would guess most of us did something. If I am ever in serious trouble, it would be nice to know I've got a couple of thousand angels pulling for me. Maybe, hopefully, from all these emotionally charged "discussions" we have about religion, pregnancy, weight, love life, etc., we can each learn how to be more tolerant, understanding and give open-minded consideration to opinions which might be different from our own. That doesn't mean we'll always agree. The world isn't black and white. Occasionally, the only answer we'll find, is that we agree to disagree. While the prolonged bickering does get wearisome, it is encouraging to find so many people with such passionate beliefs. That's the fuel for doing things like, "making a difference." Be Good, MAC The Puppy-Dog Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:26:52 EDT From: Jwlfan112@aol.com Subject: * 'Ride' review and Jewel mention (no spoilers, positive) Ang Lee's latest film, "Ride With the Devil," has its North American premiere at the fest, and is a radical stylistic departure from his films past ("The Wedding Banquet," "Ice Storm," "Eat Drink, Man Woman"). Performances in the Universal-produced, USA Films release were excellent all-around. Tobey Maguire ("Pleasantville," "Deconstructing Harry") is steadily proving himself to be an extremely talented actor, Skeet Ulrich is no longer condemned to be the "poor relation" of Johnny Depp, and Jeffrey Wright is unrecognizable (for those familiar with "Basquiat") in a superb performance. In what is sure to be a "best newcomer" field day, Jewel puts all of the "she's just some beautiful folkie making movies" talk to rest, giving a perfectly nuanced performance as a Southern gentlelady with a possible bad luck curse on her head. Don't be mistaken, this film takes some thought to digest and may be a hard sell to the general public. However, one attendee at a press and industry screening harkened back to another predicted hard-sell (but wildly successful release) by calling "Devil": "Dances With War." At first look, it may seem an apologist's look at the Civil War, upon further review the film is a microcosmic look at the changing of America's morals and thought patterns in this era. Subtle and thoughtful are the words for this film, and think you must, if you expect to fully digest this piece of work. Check out Ray Pride's review of the film elsewhere in this issue. (the aforementioned review below :-)) TORONTO REVIEW: Lee's Smooth, Heroic "Ride With The Devil" by Ray Pride Pride--------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- Ang Lee has become our contemporary equivalent of Michael Curtiz, the most versatile stylist of the old Warner Bros. era. While themes recur in the work of Lee and screenwriter-producer James Schamus (particularly examinations of difficult choices forced by personal and familial clashes with tradition), the director's sixth feature is another demonstration of his focused intelligence and singular craft as he once more revels in diversity. (Notably, his director's credit appears here under a hand-cranked whetstone as it sharpens a knife.) After the artistic success of both "Sense and Sensibility" and "The Ice Storm," no one would think to ask why the Taiwanese born director of six features would take on the American Civil War. Yet the film began life at Fox, then shifted to Universal under producer Good Machine until Universal recently shifted its rights to USA Films. But on screen, past the politics of finance, the period once again seems fresh and effortless through Lee's eyes. The opening shot starts as a swoosh of motion against trees, and that rush of motion against nature is a recurring device. In a review many years ago Jean-Luc Godard said that directors needed to be like D. W. Griffith and rediscover how to capture the wind in the trees. Lee and cinematographer Frederick Elmes repeatedly surpass Godard's spur, with a whirlwind of story contained in a restlessly composed style. This pack of "true Missouri men" forced into retreat from their frontier lives are pale, peaked, long-haired irregulars who must shed blood to earn dignity. They include Jake Roedel (Tobey Maguire), Jack Bull (Skeet Ulrich), and as a slave whose freedom was bought by his now-best friend, Jeffrey Wright. (Jewel, and romance, come later.) Maguire is a taciturn, sly smiling observer, his face filled with upstanding rectitude yet galoot goofiness throughout, a Dutch-born boy of 18 whose sympathies shift perceptibly away from the traditions of the Old South over the course of the film's 134 minutes. Come hell or packs of Kansas Jayhawkers, Jake discovers that life's one lasting impulse, in the film's original title, is "To Live On." The bursts of violence result in devastation as wicked and awful as any post-apocalypse movie of the last two decades. They fight battles mostly forgotten outside the south, myths filled with iconic names like Quantrill. Yet Lee's approach is immediate and tactile, such as in the keen depiction of the eeriness of faceless horsemen thundering in the black night: sound, a blur of motion, gusts of gunfire. The "Federals" swoop down on the Missouri "bushwhackers" who sympathize with the South but , belong to no army. Lee and Schamus studiously imply that hand-to-hand, man-to-man, neighbor-to-neighbor warfare that the U.S. has not seen for almost 140 years remains painfully relevant today. Think Kosovo, Belgrade, East Timor. Boys see their fathers killed. Blood oaths are sworn over spilled blood. But wisdom, if hard-won, remains simple: "It ain't right and it ain't wrong: it just is." Mychael Danna's mix of Prokofiev-ish thunder and the fiddler's muse suits the often startling imagery. There is an abiding respect for the purifying force of fire and for the force of battles shown in grabbed glimpses. There is one image worthy of Tarkovsky, when ranks of riders prepare to ride over a ridge into Lawrence, Kansas, to annihilate the town, and the crack of a single gunshot causes a mass quiver, a hillside of man and horseflesh startled as if a single organism. The dialogue is filled with wry colloquialism, and often very funny, and most of the moral pronouncements, drawn on the period, are robustly epigrammatic: "You taught him mercy but he forgot it" is typical of the terse, accepting Southern style of speech we hear nowadays from only the very old. Coming from the fresh faces in the cast of "Ride With The Devil," the spiritual weariness and contentedness seems more elevated than incomprehensibly anachronistic. "Ride With The Devil" is the second Good Machine production to be cast off by Universal (after "Happiness.") Whatever the challenges in selling a Civil War story that mingles the epic and the heroic, romance and bloody gunfights, the USA Films marketers, many formerly at the now-defunct Gramercy Pictures, may be the ones who can best sell the film. The sort of sophisticated, varied campaigns that made "Elizabeth" a success for Gramercy may work again here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:10 -0700 From: Jewel Fan Subject: * Life Uncommon and books... Hey everone... Just wanted to let everyone know that I got my copy of LU today!! It's cool but....It'll take me a while to get used to. I'm sorry, just.....nevermind!! Anyway...I found this book there (Tower Records) andI was gonna buy t but it was 11.00 so I decided not too. It was called "Angel Standing By" I think. It had a pic of Jewel in her van on the cover. I was wondering if anyone could get me that book at a cheaper price or if you would like to trade or anything...please lemme know! I also seen a book that's called something like The something presents....The story of Jewel. It's kinda big (the book) and it has a lotta pics in it. I wanted to get that one but every single copy in the store are damaged! So if anyone could get me that as well...I'd really appreciate it!! Ok, thanks for listening. Talk to you all later. Love yas! See ya! =) {\O/} /_\ Diana an EDA FOREVER!! "Might as well smile, 'cause there's no point in being mean, guess that's just, What you get, When you forget to dream" *Nikos* ~Jewel~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 02:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Amias Maldonado Subject: * Jeweligion Ok kids, I've finally been poked and prodded enough by this whole religion issue to actually write in, ending a long drought of mine. I could sit quietly through the pregnancy thing, and watch it blow over, but no WAY am I not getting involved in this. First of all, I'd just like to say that this conversation, AND the pregnancy thing, AND the boyfriends rumors....they are ALL our buisness. That's why most of us are on the freaking list! I didn't join the list to read about upcoming dates, or get links, or download pics(although I'm not saying those aren't good things.) I joined the list because I love Jewel, and I want to know as much as I can about her, and if that means getting psycho obsessed over small thing, then so be it! I joined the list so I can know and talk to other Jewel freaks like myself. Like it or not, she IS a public figure. And it's not like this is a new thing. Compare the pregnant/fat debate to the cigarette/lollypop debate of early EDA days. Have we changed at all? Nope. But THIS conversation started out by some innocent EDA (who was probably NOT trying to start a giant debate) asking Jewel's religion. And that being a sensative topic, everybody got all polarized and defensive. Personally, I refuse to believe that Jewel is a Christian. It would basically be Jewel contradicting everything that I fell in love with her for. We ALL know that Jewel was definetly not down w/ organized religion during POY. She was all about finding your own way, creating your own God, and being in touch with him through your actions and heart, not through a book and a church. I think the thing that's throwing a lot of people off during this discussion is the fact that you CAN be spiritual and you CAN believe in God or a God not only without being Christian, but without subscribing to any organized belief system at all. Another point: I personally do not see a lot of lyrics in Spirit that could be taken as totally pro religion/christianity. "We all will be Christed when we hear ourselves say we are that to which we pray?" Praying to ourselves, finding salvation in ourselves: definetly not christain. "We are given to a God to put our faith therin, but to be forgiven we must first believe in sin" Now this one is a little more up to interpreation, but it sounds to me like she's saying that sin is an idea created by human religion. Whereas she believes that human beings and humanity itself is a divine creature capable of making mistakes, but not sin. Basically, it's saying "You have to admit you're bad to be forgiven, and I don't think I can ever be bad." In fact, I even had a Christian friend who disliked Jewel even MORE when I told him about the things she had to say concerning God on Spirit. As for Joy: For God's sake(no pun intended), it's CHRISTMAS! YOU try writing a spiritual Christmas song without coming off christian, and see how easy it is. Even though almost all(Shout-out to Kwanza and Hannukah) of us celebrate it, it is still at its core a Christian celebration and Christian holiday. So in conclusion, Jewel is spiritual, Jewel believes in a God, I do NOT think that Jewel is Christian. That type of major value change does not just happen. If she is perhaps PERHAPS contemplating it, then good for her, b/c it's always good to explore yourself and the worlds around you. But Nedra's there with her, and she's not going to let Jewel do anything rash, and she's not going to let the suits change Jewel into a spineless commerical commodity pandering to the masses. Everyone just chill! Later, - -Amias The Hatless Angel "Have a little faith in me..." -Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:35:36 +1000 From: Barry Howarth Subject: * Innocence Maintained Hi Angels, I was very interested to read Sara's comment: "We all know of the beautiful spiritual content of her songs, and being one myself it is easy to find Christian undertones in her writing. For example: "We are given to a God to put are faith there in, but to be forgiven we much first believe in sin". I always took that line from "Innocence Maintained", and indeed the whole song, as being somewhat anti-Christian, or at least un-Christian. I suppose it depends on your definition of Christianity. To me, Jewel's belief that "innocence can't be lost' (and similarly when she says: "If I could tell the world just one thing, It would be that we're all OK" ) stands in stark contrast to the fundamental Christian doctrine of original sin, that we're all not OK (that is, we're evil by nature), that innocence was lost and, therefore, we can only be saved by the redeeming death of Christ. Again, Jewel says "Who will save your soul, if you won't save your own?" That is, not one but we ourselves can save our souls; and, by implication, not by Christ. To come back to "Innocence Maintained: Jewel says "We all will be Christed when we hear ourselves say We are that to which we pray"; that is, we will be like Christ when we pray, not to God or anyone else, but to ourselves. This comes up in other Jewel songs as well. Finally, to get back to Sara's quote: "We are given to a God to put are faith there in, but to be forgiven we much first believe in sin". I think this questions the whole idea of putting faith in any God or god and wanting to be forgiven, since you first have to believe in your sinful nature in order to have something to be forgiven for. Anyway, thanks, Diana (I think it was?), for raising the question in the first place (this time round). I believe it is a legitimate subject for this list to discuss. If Jewel were just a talented performer, she would not be as interesting, to me at least, as she is. She has an important message she wants to put across, so she is more than just an entertainer (though her great talent means can put across her ideas and beliefs more effectively). And like any thinker, her thoughts and beliefs, once they are put in the public domain (on disk or in print), are there for others to agree with, disagree with or simply to discuss. What Jewel says I usually find stimulating -- she's got me trying to read "The Confessions" of St Augustine in Latin at the moment -- though I certainly don't agree with her all the time. She's a fascinating, complex and often contradictory person (like all of us), and it is the person, rather than just the singer, who interests me. Take care, Barry Howarth ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #614 ***************************