From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #385 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, July 8 1999 Volume 04 : Number 385 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "Presence" * OR * go to the Atlantic Records site at http://www.atlantic-records.com * and go to the "On Tour" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- * hands pop up video ["Christine Diefenbach" ] * "Ride With The Devil" premier announced ["Charlie Watkins" ] * NJC: attention New Orleans EDAs ["Arnaud CURTAT" ] * Steve drunk at concerts [Matt Sullivan ] * Re: Police Want Steve? [Paul Schreiber ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:55:21 +1000 From: "Christine Diefenbach" Subject: * hands pop up video Would someone perhaps be nice enough to type up the pop up facts for the hands video (which are worth typing up) and post 'em to the list for people who aren't from the US? byeeee Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:59:58 -0600 From: "Charlie Watkins" Subject: * "Ride With The Devil" premier announced From the a July 6 article in the Nando Times (http://www.nandotimes.com) concerning Toronto's International Film Festival September 9-18: Other North American premieres include Ang Lee's "Ride with the Devil," and Brazilian Carlos Diegues' "Orfeu." Universal Picture's "Snow Falling on Cedar" by Scott Hicks ("Shine") makes its world premiere as a gala presentation. Charlie Watkins http://members.aol.com/cwatkins/jerra.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:43:25 +0000 From: JH Subject: * NJC: Bearsville ANAR'99 correction This is just a quick little correction. I forgot to to list 2 peoples e-mail addresses with the last post. Looking for rides are: Seth Fulmer Philadelphia, PA kaosking@voicenet.com Phyre Buffalo, NY co031@freenet.buffalo.edu John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:02:16 +0200 From: "Arnaud CURTAT" Subject: * NJC: attention New Orleans EDAs Hi, my name is Arnaud, I'm 25 and I live in France. I'll be in the New Orleans area this summer from august, 9 till august, 13 I was wandering if any EDAs who live there could give me some advices about the cool sights to see, the good places to listen to live music and give me adresses of good CD shops. Any help will be apreciated Thanx in advance Take care Arny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:21:49 -0700 From: Dan Subject: * Re: Police Want Steve? Hello Everyone, After reading this, I think I should share some knowledge that I have read somewhere else. I cannot recall where I read this, but this 'stunt' that Mr. Poltz did was not as bad as it seems. You see, the beer bottles were all empty, and it was rather a big joke. If you listened to his songs you can tell that the guy has got an awesome sense of humor. He meant no harm, and I am sure he didn't mean to offend anyone. The prediction of Jewel giving him the boot from both her tour, and as her friend, will never happen. Once you see those two on stage together you can see the chemistry between them, and they are inseparable, as friends. Cheers, Dan skidamts@pathwander.com http://jeweljk.tzo.com/Jewel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:29:35 PDT From: Matt Sullivan Subject: * Steve drunk at concerts Here are my thoughts on Steve's behavior at concerts. 1. It is not right to hand out cigerrates, this is not Metellica or Van Halen. 2. Drinking on stage should not be tolorated. If younger people see Steve drinking, they might think it would be okay, 3. Jewel should say "one more time and you're gone." This is ruining her reputation. Sure they are friends, but when you are in the public eye, things can look bad. Also, here in Milwaukee, there was a tiny artical about the San Diego thing. it reads: Jewel Kilcher's friend and scheduled opener for the Milwaukee show on August 14, Steve Poltz, has reportedly been sited for inapproiate conduct. Jewel fans claimed that Poltz has given away drugs and has performed under the influence of achlohal during a Jewel show. Poltz's managment will not comment. Jewel has also recently released a new single, "Jupiter". The song is not the version that appears on Jewel's hit album, Spirit. Rusted Root will join the the festivities on August 14. Tickets for the concert are currently on sale at Ticketmaster, 276-4545/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:36:12 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: * Re: Police Want Steve? not only did Steve do that at San Diego, he also did it at Irvine the next night. :) Hey, I was there! I think the second girl's name was Carissa or something. I was expecting him to do it at Shoreline, but he didn't. :( Anyway, I think it was *hilarious*. People, this is Steve Poltz, after all! It's not a Steve show unless there's alcohol involved. Oh, and one more thing, from the ruglist: >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:43:01 -0700 (PDT) >From: Myra Wong >Subject: Re: Coors Amp (San Diego) protest > > >On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 ClaireUS@aol.com wrote: >>a 12 pack of beer is an inappropriate gift for a 14 year old. my guess is >>that he was trying to be funny, was drunk himself and didn't know any better >>or was just too cheap to actually buy the kid anything so he gave her >>whatever he found backstage. I'll bet he wanted to sleep with her too. > >The Channel 10 news did a followup story on the evening news. They said >the girl was the niece of Steve's manager, and the bottles were empty. >The protesters want to get the Chula Vista (the city the amphitheatre is >in) Police involved. They're mad no action was taken in the first place >since its illegal to give a minor alcohol. > >I can't believe they're making such a big deal about it. It was just >a joke. And I heard from someone who was sitting closer to the stage >than I was that Steve was definitely drunk. > > >Myra Paul shad 96c / 3B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. well in case you failed to notice / in case you failed to see / this is my heart bleeding before you / this is me down on my knees / - --Jewel Kilcher, "Foolish Games" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:56:47 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: * Pablo Neruda? Ogden Nash. WARNING: this post written by a tired EDA, listening to Kraftwerk's T-E E album in headphones... what to expect? More Jesseness. > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:48:09 EDT > From: JeWeLzKeWL@aol.com > Subject: * One Sentence > > Last time I checked, I thought we were on Jewel's side here > Since I'm Jesse and I will always do this, I have to wonder aloud what this is supposed to mean. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:16:03 EDT > From: Sabato229@aol.com > Subject: *Record Label > > I think 'Spirit' is too perfect. > I love the songs but I love hearing Jewel > mess up a little here and there like on POY. I never noticed her messing up, but I do prefer the sounds of human beings to electronic nail polish... (I'm not saying I don't like electronic music, of course) > So I was thinking... does anyone know how many records > she signed on to do in the contract for Atlantic? > I don't know how record companies work or anything but Jewel > and her mom should go make there own label (asap.) > That way Jewel can put out whatever kind of cd she likes. > That being in a coffeehouse,her living room or maybe even singing in the > shower. Oh... if only Jewel had gone indie from the beginning... I think it might be too late now. She might just be swept up in the world of fame too completely to back out and go for self... not to mention that pesky major label contract with Atlantic (curses). The Rugburns went totally indie, didn't they? Probably got distribution from Cargo or something like that... It's so much simpler in my musical community. You make some music, record it, get it duplicated yourself, sell it yourself or get local stores to carry it for you on consignment... no-one else owns it. Of course, you don't get a Grammy, either. ^_^ > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:21:14 EDT > From: Jeweleda1@aol.com > Subject: * Jupiter/jewel's music in general > > I heard the new single about a week ago. I was driving some random place > which i tend to do quite often now and well after finally realizing it was > here(i'm a bit slow at times) and listening to it all the way through I've > realized what her music is missing compared to a few years back....Energy. > or Passion. When i heard the jupiter single i felt like she was just getting > up there singing the words and walking away from the mic. Her high notes > sounded a bit forced not like they use to. Back in the days of WWSYS and > older songs that never made it to cd but should have(my brain isn't working > today) there was true passion and Energy behind those songs. I miss that > passion. That's a lot like the way I felt when I heard it on Letterman... like, she didn't mean a WORD of it. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:34:34 EDT > From: Carolyn Lake > Subject: * Guitar Tabs > > Hey everybody! > Does anybody have the tabs for the song "Passing Time?" Thanks! I have it, but it's wrong. If you still want it, email me (or anyone else, since everyone probably has the same (wrong) one). > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:03:42 PDT > From: Matt Sullivan > Subject: * All EDA's should read > > (this is only being said to the EDa's that are making fun of Jewel. Most of > us EDA's are nice, but this is for the EDA's who arn't, or don't realize > that what they say can be seen as rude on unnessary.) Who... made fun? The silly people are Mike Connell and Dennis Harris (and his little Harrisites... running around... clones!), they made fun of the people who took Jewel "too seriously" or what have you... who made fun of Jewel? > I think that it sad that some of you have taken on the role as fashion > police! Some of you are hardly in the position to critize others when none > of yus are even close to perfect! Heyyyy now! What are you basing that on? At last polling, over 79% of subscribers to the EDA list were determined to be "close to perfect", with 36% (almost 37, really) of the remainder being "VERY close to perfect indeed". Only six percent of the other 64% of the other 21% were deemed "not even close to perfect". Next time, do some research! ^_^ > What is on the inside counts! She can't have a setlist that pleases > everyone! I want to hear here sing "My Own Private God's Gift to Women" > live, but I am not going to get upset about it if she doesn't. It's sad that > you all put your lives on hold to complain about her set. Damn, I was going to get a nice job and raise a family, but that will have to wait... I have to say some mean things about Jewel for a while... you know, sometimes I wonder if it's all worth it... putting my life on hold... > If she ever read some of the things posted on the list, which she probably > does once in a while, She would cry her eyes out! Angels don't talk about > people behind their backs. How would you like to be put under a scope and > analyzed day in and day out! It would get to you. 1 - she doesn't 2 - she wouldn't 3 - they do (the everyday ones, anyhow - we're not perfect) 4 - is that an offer? let's find out! > Read what you write and consider if you would want that said about you. If someone told me that my music from 1996 was more emotional than most of what I'm making today, I would sigh and concede the point. But then, that's just a coincidence. > Matt, > a real EDA! Keep it real. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:28:43 -0400 > From: "Kevin B. Pease" > Subject: * Re: Please give some thought > > > to the following, and respond either to me personally or to the > > list if it's appropriate... > Jesse, these are some excellent questions. I'll take you up on this > one... :) Finally a taker! ^_^ > > 1 - Why do so many of you say that Spirit is "deeper" and reflects "more > > maturity"? > I don't think it is... I would say that, at best, Spirit is "more of the > same" in terms of "depth"... Spirit is not my favorite Jewel recording... > there's some very good moments, but I wouldn't call it deeper and more > mature. (Considering something like 5 or 6 of the songs on Spirit were > written circa POY, I'm not sure how it can be said to be more "mature" than > POY... :) So, hey... I agree here. I've yet to see a justification for > Spirit being "deeper" and "more mature", and I'd like to see one, too. D'oh, the first guy with the guts to answer my questions... agrees with me almost completely. Thanks a lot dude, but how am I going to learn anything this way? ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ > > 2 - What are you responding to when you talk about "all this negativity"? > I think this basically comes down to everybody bitching about how Jewel > has changed. Yes, it's well within everybody's rights to get all > self-righteous and indignant about how Jewel has changed, and she's not as > cool as she used to be, and she overproduces her albums, and she wears lots > of makeup. I won't argue that you "can't" do that. I *will* argue that you > *shouldn't* do that, for several reasons: > First: It doesn't change a damn thing. Jewel's going to do what > Jewel's going to do, no matter what we think about it. All that's being > accomplished by whining about Jewel changing is that people are going to get > annoyed by seeing the same tempest in a teapot OVER AND OVER again on this > list. This is a totally unfair response on my part, but does that mean that I should cease complaining about the abominable treatment of women in places like Afghanistan? I mean, I can't do a damn thing about that, either. I can't do a damn thing about the proliferation of guns in today's society, or mankind's general inability to successfully love itself. But what am I supposed to talk about, then? Still, it's not as though anyone periodically posts to the list to remind everyone that they still think she's changed and her old music was better... on a Jewel discussion list, everyone talks about Jewel all the time. If something happens, is adressed, or pops into someone's head... they'll talk about it. Hopefully they will share their own thoughts on the subject. If someone doesn't like it, and someone else does, it might be edifying for everyone if they work out the pros and cons in public, and teach one another about different ways of seeing things. (this is the bit where I sort of lose my point and get very vague and humming along with Portishead instead of paying attention to what I'm trying to say) > Second: There are plenty of other musicians out there. If Jewel's > changing image ruins her music for you, just enjoy what you've always > enjoyed, and move on to some new artists... she's under no obligation to put > out music anybody likes, and it's a free market, baby. Dude, my record collection is many hundreds strong. I am not hanging my life up on Jewel in lieu of "new" artists... she's not even my favorite artist of all time... but no other music has ever touched me the exact WAY hers does... her best stuff is unique. I can't go find another Memoirs Of A Housewife somewhere, no-one else can do it. It does bother me that someone who is the sole source of certain things which mean so much to me... focuses her efforts on getting as far away from those things as she can without actually becoming a member of Master P's No Limit army. So it bothers me, just like it elates other people. Life is balance... (boy am I melodramatic at 9am) > Now, with all that said, I really don't care if people post "anti-Jewel" > sentiment to the list, my basic take on that is "Um.. whatever. Where's > that delete button?" (Of course,that's my response to a LOT of the stuff > posted to this list, to be perfectly honest... :) However, I fail to see > the point in getting indigestion over something that's completely out of > your power to change one teensy little bit. I've never seen anti-Jewel sentiment on the list. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:40:51 EDT > From: JeWeLzKeWL@aol.com > Subject: * Re: All EDA's should read > > << If she ever read some of the things posted on the list, which she probably > does once in a while, She would cry her eyes out! Angels don't talk about > people behind their backs. How would you like to be put under a scope and > analyzed day in and day out! It would get to you. > >> > > Exactly, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, if you guys (The Criticizing > EDAs) are supposed to be her fans, then I wonder what people do when they > aren't her fan? Being a fan is kind of like being a friend to her, support > her when she needs it, even though you don't know her personally. Do you have some sort of fan handbook, or list of fan guidelines, which I should become familiar with? I missed Jewel Fan orientation, and I find it very difficult... to do... what I'm SUPPOSED to. Why does artistic appreciation (even adoration) create obligations and behavior codes? I love (a good deal of) her music, and I think she's probably a totally decent person, obviouslly compassionate and intelligent... and that's it! It doesn't mean I have to smile when she farts. (I coin some strange phrases at 9am) > It's one thing about contructive criticism, like I thought it would've been > better if she sang the CD version of Jupiter, etc...but not to go out > screaming about her clothes or something trivial like that. Yo, Jupiter is even MORE trivial than clothes. Even in its most concentrated, raw, serious form it's about as important as a stray eyelash. > What some of you are doing is just like talking behind your best friend's > back, and I'm sure none of you would like it if your friend talked behind > your back. I wish I could talk to Jewel, but I can't imagine ever getting an opportunity to get into it like I'd like to with her... (Hey Jewel, got a free week to talk to a music lover in turmoil? C'mon, let's get something to eat... you can meet my girlfriend, she loves you... by the way, forget that Jay-Z rubbish, here's Company Flow and Phoenix Orion...) This is a list for talking behind Jewel's back, at any rate... no matter what the slant, we're talking about her and she's not here. .end.transmission. | Jesse Dangerously | .10.04.good.buddy. | without justice | ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #385 ***************************