From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #136 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 136 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: ANY Pittsburgh EDAS ? [TFace151@aol.com] Re: Southeast EDA Gathering ["K.J. & A. MacPhee" ] NJC: mailing list [Fairy2884@aol.com] My Jewel "Flu" and Jewel wishes to duet with Satan [KBarcelona@aol.com] NJC: Are "vets" really the bigger fans? (A "newbie's" Point of View) ["~] Jewel tourdates remain in Europe mysterious ?? ["michiel" ] THE LIST: Please read content for everyone. [TFace151@aol.com] Let's not make it a war, let's just think positive [BenderGrrl@aol.com] Concert review by the eyes of Shane, March 16th (Brisbane) Brief summary [Shane Subject: Re: Southeast EDA Gathering All the gatherings either happen way up in New York, or West in California(Granted, that's where Jewel lives- most of the time). But what about us folks, for example, me, who live in S. Florida? Alex, the Scottish Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:26:46 EST From: Fairy2884@aol.com Subject: NJC: mailing list um, ok, let me make a comment here. not to put the list down, but, i'm really beginning to dread opening my mailbox. i used to love reading posts, they used to inform me about stuff, but now it's just a bunch of junk, pointless stuff. and there are so many of them!!! we started with #1 on jan.1st, we're already at #133 and it's only been 80 days at the most. this is an assanine amount of mail filling myy box to the brim. for the past month i've been checking my mail once a week at the most because of school play rehearsals. yesterday i checked my mail for the first time in 2 weeks and i had about 35 posts! that's nuts!!!!!! i delete most of them because they're too long and pointless. i don't want to unsubscribe it's just i thought i should make a point to let you all know about the unnecessary amount of mail i'm receiveing because you people can't wait until all the posts have come in to send out the mailing list. just my opinion, i've realized it doesn't count for much too often. buh-bye. ~Amanda~ ~the poetic angel~ ~i love people. i love every f**ked up and beautiful thing about us.~Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:14:30 EST From: KBarcelona@aol.com Subject: My Jewel "Flu" and Jewel wishes to duet with Satan Hi EDA's, I have had the flu for about 2 days now and have been constantly in sleep mode. I have been barely able to get out of bed. And then I hear "Boop Boop Bee doo yeah" and I opened my eyes and saw Jewel's new video on MTV and I like screamed and my mom came running in my room, she was like What!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said Jewel's new video is on and I have never seen it before. She who is sick of my listening to Jewel says "Well leave it up to her to bring you back from the dead." So I was freaked out. Also I don't know if it has been mentioned but Jewel is on the cover of Teen magazine and it quotes her as saying "I worship Marilyn Manson. Were different sides of the same coin. He wants to do the same thing I do-break down boundaries and teach people to be more open. I'd love to do a duet with him." My opinion-Well I love Jewel but has she lost her damn mind? Manson the guy is a total sicko. Lets compare Jewel-Optimistic has faith in God and a love for people. Manson-Pesimitic,AKA Satan. Complete Wacko would kill everyone. Believes people are inherently bad. Overall not a nice guy. PS Feel free to share your opinion on the matter but if you flame me you will burn in hell:) I aint got nothing but Love for all EDA's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:07 PST From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: NJC: Are "vets" really the bigger fans? (A "newbie's" Point of View) Okay, well I know this is kind of getting old, but I was thinking about what some people are saying, and I decided to open my mouth. I originally joined this list sometime late 1997, but being as I was failing out of school, I had to give up using the computer to focus on my studies. (Needless to say I sort of dropped out of school soon after). I rejoined this list a few months ago, so being as I'm a "newbie" I would just like to say, that just because I have not been around as long as some of you, I'm no less of a Jewel fan. I'm not new to Jewel, or her music (released or not), I'm just new to the list. I'm not one of those people who like her, just because she's "in", and gets radioplay. And if Jewel were to all of a sudden fade into oblivion, I'd STILL practically worship her. She's one of the very few people I'd never stop liking. Sure I know some of you have been around to see her in her coffeehouse days, You're lucky! I wish I could have seen that. But that doesn't make you any MORE of a fan. I think we're all on this list for a reason: because we are all devoted fans of Jewel. She's amazing, she's real, she has the most awesome voice I've ever heard, she's an incredible songwriter, and thats why I love her. And when people I know in real life make fun of me because I like Jewel, I dont give a rats arse what they think, because all they've heard is the singles played on the radio. They don't know what they're missing... Peace, cymbaline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:10:26 +0100 From: "michiel" Subject: Jewel tourdates remain in Europe mysterious ?? Hello Every Jewelfan, I think we European Jewelfans are really excited to know when the Jewel concertdates will be announced. I can't imagine that the whole Australian and Singapore and UK tour is long before Jewel was heading for her Spirit tour known, and that the other European dates in May/June remains so less informed. I just want to ask why there aren't now already some dates known so that we know what we can expect, and where we can long for . It's a wish of a lot of Jewelfans in Europe to see her in concerts, but so far we haven't heard official dates/venues/countries/cities so i am really asking who will announce for us European EDA's the tourdates. Jewel singing live is something special, you only have to see her concerts on TV (Jewel rocks the rockies, Spanish concert lately on TVE2, and the VH1 Special Hardrock live and MTV Unplugged) to be really happy to catch a glimp and hear an angel sing in Europe. So i am really breaking the news , and i am hoping that somebody will give us some good information. It might be usefull to contact several touragencies in Europe and the Warner music offices to let us fans of Jewel share her great music in a venue where we all Every day angels will enjoy the songs from Pieces of You, Spirit. And of course to hear Jewel reading from her beautiful poetrybook A night without Armor. I think almost fan of Jewel in Holland, France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Italy wants to hear at least that Jewel will do some concerts. Jewel has given a lot , really a lot in Australia, so i hope that we at least get the chance to look forward to those concerts as well.. This list has always been very inspiring for us all, and i think we should credit Alan, Mike but most of all Jewel for this . When Jewel hasn't been discovered 5 years ago now, than we would have never had discussions about Jewel's talents. I wonder really how Jewel got all the talents, is it something that is born ? I believe of course that Jewel has done a lot of hard work for this succes and i think we all love her in all her ways on the stage, of from her books and soon we will watch her on the big screen too.. I hope that the first screening of the movie will be soon after the summer break. We also can expect a new book of Jewel, oh gush it's hardly time to take breath what Jewel all does for her fans and her self. She is really exploring herself to greater highness and she seems to enjoy all the aspects of her carreer so far, and that's how it is supposed to be. I think we all do think Jewel is a sweet artist that can touch her fans by her songs and her poems. It has been a long time since we had such an artist that inspires us so muchly. I would loved to be part of the HGH foundation as European society. I wonder always if there's something we can setup in Europe, and that Jewel might support that . I think some more co-operation of fans of Jewel in Europe would be very nice. It happens so often that Europe can't be part of the brilliant ideas that we always read on the list, for example the latest iniative from Alan that allows only American EDA's to participate...not that i am not happy for them but it would be so much nicer if there could be done something for her fans in Europe too...i think we deserve it *LOL*... Anyway let see it from the bright side of live we will see Jewel in Holland on Pinkpop. so i have to be a happy man , only a festival is always very crowded and to watch Jewel i guess i have to be early on the venue to catch a glimp because i want to see something between all those tall people in holland :-) Again Alan, try to inform us a little bit more...it's not a complaint , it's just a request from a dutch fan who thinks Jewel has the talents that we want to see in Europe too. So spread the good news soon to us, that we will have a lot of European dates as well, others than the UK. I guess it would be fair if Jewel for example sings at least twice this time in our country. I hope that this can be arranged someway , somehow ! I already long to her new video in Holland Been down so long , and i hope that we will watch it soon in Holland on TV. I just read my email and there was being told that we fans of Jewel will be able to watch her in Paris, and four times in Germany, how come that tourdates in for example Holland and Belgium are not included ? Isn't there any tourorganizer who books Jewel ? I am so perplex that i don't know how that come ....are there answers for my concerns ?? *LOL* Greetings, Michiel Jewelfan in Holland http://members.xoom.com/Jewelimpala/index.html a dutch tribute to jewel - a beautiful angel from alaska ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:36:48 -0300 From: "Stephanie Wang" Subject: Jewels' song "Under the Water" Hi, Does anyone have the CHORDS for Jewel's song 'Under The Water"? It's for The Craft soundtrack. If someone has it, could u please send it to me..i'm desperate after it.. Thanks! Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:27:44 EST From: TFace151@aol.com Subject: THE LIST: Please read content for everyone. If You are anything like me, you most likely won't read this. I haven't been reading every post about the list lately for a few reasons. 1) they say the same things 2) I don't like reading people's post that are mean and belittle other people 3) I see nothing wrong with the list. I do respect everyone's opion, but I have to draw the line when it comes to hurting people's feelings. I don't think it is right to go on the list and say so-and-so is dumb because they think they are superior etc....I think most of the people who have been on for a while don't want to see avid fans who are not "real" fans come on the list. NOT THAT ALL NEW LIST MEMBERS AREN'T REAL FANS. The list should be about sharing and giving. And I think the EDAF foundation is more important than the list itself and if you are on the list just because you like Jewel and think she is cool, but don't want to do anything for human kind, well, maybe you don't belong here. I realize that sometimes it sounds like we are preaching a religion, but it is a way of life that Jewel as asked her fans to do. She has asked us all to not idolize her, but instead give back to the community. Not that you have to do that to like her music, but I think that this list was formed to encourage people to do that, and I don't think everyone on the list realizes this. NOW to the main issue::: Should the list be moderated? Well, i think it should. One reason, do any of you remmeber the recent fiasco of when Mike let the list go unmoderated. MANY people demonstrated why we need to be moderated. I think that Mike does a great job. IF we all stick to the main topics about Jewel and Jewel related topics, all the post will get through. Maybe Mike could be a little more understanding to now related posts, or we can have another list for conversation not related to Jewel. (I don't know if tha tis possable). But I do think that it needs some kind of moderation so we don't have ridiculous comments and posts that are obsece or even get spams and what not. I like the EDAs old and new. And I am proud for what we do in our communities. Thanks for reading. Love, Teresa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:03:56 EST From: BenderGrrl@aol.com Subject: Let's not make it a war, let's just think positive Hey fellow EDAs :) << 1. I haven't posted since (insert your time here) 2. Talking about and to people that were here last time you posted 3. Saying the list sucks now 4. Mentioning Jewelstock a minimum of 43 times>> I was reading some more posts and I see there's still a discrepancy between newbies and "vets" One must realize that anywhere in society, there is always some amount of friction between long-time members of something and newbies to it. When speaking about the online world.. old-time BBS's before AOL and all these PPP/SLIP connections came on (when everyone had 14.4 baud modems) i tend to get possessive about it and get aggravated at the newbies. But I must say, the EDAs have handled newcomers very well as opposed to other lists and organizations I've been in. I never heard anyone truly make a newbie feel bad on purpose here. We had the Adopt-a-Newbie program before run by Rachel Martin if I'm not mistaken,.. i don't know if it's still up, but it was a very clever idea to make newbies feel welcome. << And I'm NOT saying this as an attack on vets. I'm just saying that saying these same things OVER and OVER again not only make the new people feel unwanted, but it also kinda distracts from the purpose of this debate: to make the list better. Right now, it's all just nostalgia. Kinda like all the old EDAs have been prompted to have a collective flashback.>> Flashbacks are needed, sometimes when the current times aren't good and you need to look back, or sometimes when a person _misses_ something. I'm actually enjoying reading the reminiscences of the list members because it seems to be rejuvenating the list spirit and the want for gatherings (the very building block of what the EDAs have become and will continue to be). I'm happy to read this. And I'm also happy to read the newbies encounters as well. Just give it time, you guys. Patience is probably one of the most important things one should have. Just think, the vets were newbies once too. There will be a time 10 years down the road that we'll all be here still and we'll know each other so well it'll seem like this event was just a premature and uneeded debate. Right? I'm not sure exactly, but all of my reasonings are open to interpretation. << I forget what his name was, but a new EDA recently posted and said he just joined. His basic subject of the letter was "What the F*** is going on?" And I REALLY REALLY wanted to cry for him. That has to suck to be thrown into the middle of this having no clue that the list is having a personality crisis.>> Okay now not to get negative and contradict myself, I just want to point out that a lot of the finger pointing being done right now is by newbies at list vets. I don't want to get all childish and say "Well if you don't wanna read it, then delete it" so I'll say that it is very important to think a little about the meaning of each message and what everyone is saying before you get offended. I really don't see anything offensive to newbies in what some of the list vets or anyone else for that matter write. I just suggest lengthy involvement in the emails before fingers get pointed. take care :) - -linda the lovable angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:38:15 +1000 From: Shane Subject: Concert review by the eyes of Shane, March 16th (Brisbane) Brief summary Well well well, where to begin. Steve went off, ill discuse that later in the post as i know most of you want to hear about Jewel first. The concert rocked, which was aided by my front row seats :) Jewel performed brilliantly, thats the first time i have ever seen her live. She started with Near you always which was brilliant, to say the least. Im not going to give a setlist as i frankly cant remember as i was in total shock, to see jewel less than 2 metres in front of me. I have waited more than 2 years to see jewel live, and well when i did i nearly cried, but i didnt, as my friend was next to me and would probally bash me *G*.Her voice is brilliant live, even better than on cd (duh). She played a few songs i havnt heard much which was good. There seemed to be alot of people requesting songs jewel coundnt remember, like rockergirl. She asked how we knew but no one said anything. Then to my surprise, she said "we are going to play a few rock songs, i hope no one mind's and if you do you will have to suffer". I thought ahh cool. She absoloutley went of, i was right near the speakers and my ears were deaf after her little rock concert with her band. It was awesome. Steve was dancing around, making the band laugh a little and the like. I know people said WWSYS would go for a while, but i mean woah, 10 mins of jewel screaming as loud as she could. Was so very awesome. But while she was singing another song a celluar phone went off, and boy did she get a little peeved, it just kept ringing a ringing, until she said "Turn that F*******" cell phone off" "Who would bring a cell phone to a Rock concert" or words to that effect. Any way she didnt read any poetry which was dissapointing, i was sitting there with my book in hand waiting, but i only got eye contact, and a few rye smiles from her and a huge grin from Steve. She did 4 encore songs, she was going to do one with her mother, but she left the building before Jewel asked for her. She coundnt leave us, we were yelling, stamping our feet, screaming for her to come back, and she did 3 times!!. Then she finaly left and i felt like crying again because i know i wont see her again for another 5 years :( i would do just about anything to go to another concert. Ok Now for my 10 minutes of fun with Steve Poltz. I brought a Steve Poltz TShirt "one left shoe" and was in the front row when steve came out at first to sing by himself, he went off, the crowd loved him. Any way at the end of the concert when Jewel was about to come back for an encore, he gave me his guitar pick right in front of 1000 people. He said "thanks for buying my shirt" "i need the money" or something like that. Any way's we were heading out and walking around to look for the Loo's (Toilets), and we saw this mass crowd hanging around stage door, so we went down and to our surprise it was steve signing autographs, and the bass player was chatting to some people. Any way i barged my way in to say thanks for the pick, and i suppose you would want the exact dialouge of what was said so but i really cant remember. Ill just write what i do remember. (remember i was speechless at the time just standing there with my mouth open) Btw my initials are SP and so are Steves, hehe (usless Trivia). I said hi steve, thanks for the pick He said oohh Hi, no problem, thanks for buying my shirt. I said no probs :) Umm some small talk here like how's it going etc.. Then i said i have something for you, and i gave him a pressie and chatted a bit about it. He said ohh woah thanks :) Then shook my hand for a while, then i left because girls were starting to breathe down my neck. Then i walked away, but came back again to see him kissing and hugging girls, but all that time he was looking at me waving, then he said im going, and waved to me again and said thanks for the pressie and smiled. So what a night, Jewel didnt come out, when i asked the people there they screamed at us and said she was already at the airport, which was impossible unless she can fly over traffic. I really wanted to see Jewel, but Steve isnt the nicest person, and im glad i met him. I hope he does a solo in Brisbane, he said he "might" but i dont think so. He's has alot of fans, Groupie's you might call em :P Any way's i posted long enough, and if something in the post doesnt make sense its probally because i have had 6 hours sleep. Im still running around in circles like a chook, and im a little incoerent too. So if you have any questions, ill answer them for you. Cya's :) Shane :) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #136 ***************************