From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #133 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, March 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 133 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Weed/Mexico story [Rowdy A White ] NJC: Poltz Gig, 14th April. ["Sang-Wun Kim" ] DSL played on my radio station ["Erin" ] Newbies + Vets = Lots More Vets! :-) [Harrisbros@aol.com] NJC: Living Room Concert gig(Southern CA) [DmBear978@aol.com] In a big big world [Marcel.Ummelen@dsm-group.com] NJC: Greg's post [Angeljlr98@aol.com] Is this debate over yet? [Amias Maldonado ] A start of a new trend. [Nicholas Wong ] Southeast EDA Gathering ["Everything Breaks" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:08:32 -0800 From: Rowdy A White Subject: Re: Weed/Mexico story EDA's Awhile back Stevie asked about the Mexico story, and a few others had email me about it when I mentioned it awhile back so I guess I'll try to relate it here.. (I am no authority on this trip, I was not there, but I was looking for a reason to post a couple of more times before I leave..) I've heard the story several ways, but this version is the one that appears in "Heart Song- The Story of Jewel" by Scott Gray... It is not the best of books, (too much like a high school report) but I am sure if I tried to relate the story from memory I'd jumble it all up... So here goes: Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk It seems that the vacationing couple [Jewel and Steve] was looking for a boat to take them whale watching. A group of local police officers offered to take them out, but midway into the trip, Jewel and Steve discovered that the Federales were out on a drug bust. The lawmen even offered the two startled tourists machine guns so they could help nab the dealers. "Here I am in a bikini saying 'Are you sure this is proper procedure?" recalls Jewel. It turned out to be a successful raid, as the cops netted some five hundred kilos of marijuana stacked in potato sacks. The cops insisted that jewel and Steve take all the pot they could carry. At this point in the tale, Jewel points out the irony in the fact someone who "doesn't even smoke" would find herself ordered by the authorities to take a stash of marijuana.(She makes a side joke that maybe Alanis Morissette should include that in her song "Isn't it Ironic") Jewel and Steve obliged, then passed the haul along to the cook who worked at the rundown resort where they were staying. "She needed it for her arthritis", says Jewel with a knowing wink...... - ------------------------------- So, I guess that is about it.... enjoy, and I'll talk to ya'll once I get a 'puter down in Houston..... take care Rowdy going to Houston.. can't check mail. sorry.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:08:52 PST From: "Sang-Wun Kim" Subject: NJC: Poltz Gig, 14th April. Hey, So Steve is coming back to Australia to do a couple gigs mid April, he's only got one in Sydney (to my knowledge) which is at the Harbourside Brasserie. It's on Wednesday 14th April, at about 9pm. Tickets prices: $20 at the door $22 pre-booked tickets (over the phone), or you can get meal deals aswell (Steves show + dinner) I really recommend anyone who can go,to GO. You could probably find him in another bar after the gig if you wanted to. He may not be in performing condition though?!? - -Sang. still on high ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:24:43 -0000 From: "Erin" Subject: DSL played on my radio station Hello, I am SOO pissed off!!!! I was listening to the Alice Artist spotlight on my radio station where they introduce new songs and guess what they said on the AIR to the entire San Fransisco Bay Area??? They said-- "ironically enough, Jewel spent a little bit of time, basically homeless, living in her VW bus with her MOTHER on the streets of SANTA MONICA, so it's kinda nice for her to record her second album in the same town"!!!! ohmygosh, that is total bullshit!! (excuse my language). THEN, after they played DSL, they got all these people to call in and give their opinions on the song and only like 4 peoples liked it.... well, I guess that's better than no one liking it at all. Not to be a pessimist or anything, but I called in at the perfect time, but the phone at the radio station never rang, so by the time I got through, it was too late. I could have won another copy of Spirit and a $50 gift certificate for wireless phone/pager stuff. Okay, enough with the pessimism.... THE POINT IS that DSL was p - -Erin The Fire Angel ^_^ "If I could tell the world just one thing, it would be that we're all okay"--JK *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:35:45 EST From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: Newbies + Vets = Lots More Vets! :-) Hi y'all. My name is Dennis Harris (yep, a certified, grizzled, crusty list vet if there ever was one), and after sitting on the sidelines for the past week, here's about 25% of my take on the recent discussion: First, there are some definitions that must be cleared up before we can all speak and be properly understood... (all definitions are copyright 1996-99 "Harris Says the Damnedest Things") "vet" - noun. an everyday angel who has been around long enough to know the ropes and be RESPONSIBLE to using that experience to pave the way for, and greet "newbies" with open arms (and an open heart). This level can readily be obtained with exposure to other EDAs and the awareness of what "EDA" really means. Vets share angelfood, stories, places to sleep, hot dogs and lots of advice! "Vet" is a good word. "newbie" - noun. a subscriber to the Jewel mailing list who has the potential to become an everyday angel if they have an open mind; the life blood and breath of fresh air that keeps the concept of EDAs possible. Newbies remind "vets" of just how wonderful becoming -- and being -- an EDA can be. In a symbiotic relationship, vets immensely enjoy the discovery of newbies, and newbies prosper from the contact. "Newbie" is also a good word. "civilian" - noun. any list subscriber who wishes only to gain knowledge of Jewel Kilcher and has no time or interest in making contact (at any level) with EDAs. They often ridicule EDAs and subscribe to the "woe is the world, let me off this ride" philosophy. They likely will eventually sell their ill-gotten Jewel tapes on E-Bay... ;-) "Civilian" is just a word. Without vets, newbies wander aimlessly. Without newbies, vets lose interest and wander aimlessly. Civilians miss the EDA point entirely, but hopefully can find suitable happiness in their own way. Personally, I cherish newbies. I always have. The Harris Family formed and exists for newbies. We make intense sheep noises late at night in tents for newbies. We play laser tag, paintball, and traipse across the country for newbies. For me, meeting one newbie surpasses telling my (now syndicated) list stories to ten vets. I know hundreds and hundreds of vets (including the one that treats my dog), but the ONLY newbie I know is the very next one I meet face-to-face. And if I do my job, they cease being a newbie! (Talk about an endangered species!) I'd like to suggest that every vet volunteer themselves for newbie duty. And newbies, understand that we love you and any bitching we do is from the frustration that you haven't had the opportunities that we have had and enjoyed so very much. Please understand your importance in the scheme of things. Our problem isn't overt negatism on the list, it's a failure to see and act on ALL THE POSITIVE THINGS! Our society conditions us to accept that "things suck" and that anything good has to have a catch (or just can't last). Well, that isn't so. And if you don't believe me, then ask Jewel. (Back me up here, blondie... ;-) You know, if we all lived in the northeast United States, we'd plan a snow-Jewel building contest (and probably a snowball fight) gathering this weekend. We'd make snow angels and drink hot chocolate. We'd write Jewel's name in the sno... *nevermind* ;-) Distance is a big problem right now. A sense of frustration that the vets can't meet more newbies, and the newbies can't fathom what a gathering is really like. But, that will change, if you guys want it to. I guarantee opportunities for everyone this spring and summer, if you'll just get off your butts and take advantage of them! In some cases, it will take "newbies" stepping up to "vet" responsibilities under fire (ie, YOU coordinate the gathering with some friendly guidance). Between Jewel touring and the EDAF expanding its volunteer activities, there is no reason anyone reading this now shouldn't be a dyed-in-the-wool vet by the fall. If anyone has a bad face-to-face experience with a so-called "vet", I'd like to hear about it (e-mail me privately). I suspect you may have met a civilian in disguise! So, let's keep the GOOD words "newbie" and "vet", and agree to understand what they truly mean, okay? Dennis (wanna-be a newbie again and enjoy it like the first time) Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:43:21 EST From: DmBear978@aol.com Subject: NJC: Living Room Concert gig(Southern CA) Hi and hello everybody, In a matter of 2 weeks, I'll be getting to (hopefully) have a Spring Break and get to test my pipes aaaatttttt an LRC!! I've just begun to talk to a friend & fellow EDA about having one at his house. More to come! :-) GpA -Guitar playin Angel Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:42:10 +0100 From: Marcel.Ummelen@dsm-group.com Subject: In a big big world Hello, Haven't post in a long time but I have a point here... "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: >B) This list is not the same as it was when it first started and it never >will be again. It's simply too big. End of argument. I taste a bit of "wanting the past as be the current". My idea: Just remember what has been (and never forget it !) and let's make the best together in the situation we are now. If we are keep trying getting back what we can't get we have nowhere to go! The list has about 3000 subscribers right? IMO that's not big. A small concert-venue in The Netherlands (country almost as small as one average state of the US) can have that amount easily. Every time we attend a concert we like we do meet a group of people we know/like Although we are with 3000 we have a great time. What's the point? I really do think that quantity has nothing to do with quality. There's no relation at all. Thanks to all of you who are doing a great job operating this list. You confirm this point by showing us that quality has not decreased in the past years I have been here. I like stories about concerts, clothing, reactions after the concert, feelings of EDA's about the tour, etc. Hopefully many of you make time (thanks to you who did in the past !) to tell what happened at the concert and what you think of the concert. Keep it precious ! Marcel. NOTE from list owner - the list has 1,900 subscribers on loose mail and digest combined ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:13:54 EST From: Angeljlr98@aol.com Subject: NJC: Greg's post Although I was just gonna sit back and read through this one....I have to completely agree with Greg. My closest friends are all EDAs...whether they live by me or not. I guess it's just cuz we have that much in common...and we met through this list. I somehow managed to go off-topic...but I had to say that. =) The topic I WAS approaching was... the best way to feel more apart of this list is to meet some people on it. BUT why the hell don't you people go to the gatherings? I know Lori recently had a gathering for EDAS in Southern Cali...and excluding my boyfriend and I...and of course Lori...4 other people showed up. 4 people. 2 of them were tag-alongs. Not even EDAs. DO you mean to tell me that there are 5 people on this list that live in Southern California that actually care to meet others on the list? And maybe some of the old-timers (I'm not exactly a newbie myself...I've been here a few years) didn't want to go cuz they figured that would be a bunch of newbies, and the newbies just didn't care enough to go...I dunno. I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I just want to tell Lori she's great for caring enough to start one, and Gerrit and *dammit, I can't remember your name!!! I feel so bad...but you know who you are =) (George?) SHIT! I feel so bad. ) and I hope we have another one soon, which ALTHOUGH IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF DRIVE FOR ME, I'd be more than happy to go to (provided that I know ahead of time to take off of work), and hopefully not have to leave earlier this time. Next time we have one...MARK! SAM! JEN! YOU ARE GOING WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Sorry for my pointless babble of a post. Love youall, Jamie *the everyotherday angel* ~It's funny how we feel so much, and cannot say a word...we are screaming inside, but we can't be heard~ SM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:29:25 -0600 From: Amias Maldonado Subject: Is this debate over yet? Hey EDAs, So, how's our little civil war coming? You know, when this debate started, I felt optimistic. Heck, even when TODAY started, I felt optimistic. And to some extent, I still do. However, I think I am going to seriously punch something if I read ONE more of these vet letters. From where I sit, you need to say four things in your letter to qualify as a vet: 1. I haven't posted since (insert your time here) 2. Talking about and to people that were here last time you posted 3. Saying the list sucks now 4. Mentioning Jewelstock a minimum of 43 times And I'm NOT saying this as an attack on vets. I'm just saying that saying these same things OVER and OVER again not only make the new people feel unwanted, but it also kinda distracts from the purpose of this debate: to make the list better. Right now, it's all just nostalgia. Kinda like all the old EDAs have been prompted to have a collective flashback. I forget what his name was, but a new EDA recently posted and said he just joined. His basic subject of the letter was "What the F*** is going on?" And I REALLY REALLY wanted to cry for him. That has to suck to be thrown into the middle of this having no clue that the list is having a personality crisis. Now, as for Mike's position in all this: I wasn't present when the moderation was less restrictive, so I can't really comment on that. What I CAN say is that moderation is obviously essential. If not before, then now with the size of the list. Almost everything that I've heard that was posted in the old era could be posted now under SJC or NJC. People just need to use them more. MIKE - WHAT'S THIS OTHER NON NEWS LIST WHERE PEOPLE SHARE CREATIVLY? COULD YOU E ME SOME INFO ON THAT? To be quite honest, if I had known that THIS was what went on in this list nowdays, I'm not sure I would have joined. But I'm here now, and I want things to get better. - -Amias The angel with a headache from reading big posts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:50:31 +1300 From: Nicholas Wong Subject: A start of a new trend. I just had this idea pop into my head today when i went out to buy a little kiwi. It's all thanks to that rather obsessed ozzie gal over there across the ditch. I got a little soft toy for Steve and one for Jewel. They are both Kiwi's, the fuzzy one is for jewel, anyway I think we should all give something that represents their country when Jewel and Steve tour. Like in austrailia the kangaroo Louise gave steve, and well i am hoping to get to give steve and jewel my kiwi's this saturday. That would be phenominal if steve and Jewel all got a little something from the countries they tour in. Anyways, only FOUR more days to go!!!! I can't wait. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:47:21 GMT From: "Everything Breaks" Subject: Southeast EDA Gathering I'm not going to comment on the vet/newbie/old Jewel/new Jewel conversations that I've lurked through, because I'm sure where I stand on them.. Anyway, since we're all (or at least most of us) wanting a more "community" feel to the EDA list, does anyone want to have a Southeast EDA Gathering this summer? I, for one, was really jealous when you people in New York and the New England area always throw gatherings because I'm only 13, and there is no way my parents will let me fly to New York to spend 2 or 3 nights in tents with strnagers.. Get my point? :-) I was thinking we could have it Paramount's Carowinds on the NC/SC border.. Or maybe Myrtle Beach, since there's not much else interesting in North Carolina.. I live in NC, so I can't go that far away.. Just wondering if any other EDA's wanted to set up something.. scott evans scott@jewelkilcher.com let me fly! a jewel kilcher tribute http://listen.to/jewelfly - -- maybe i could've loved you better maybe you should've loved me more maybe our hearts were just next in line maybe.. everything breaks sometime.. 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