From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #130 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 130 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- MrBB-HGH Workshop in San Diego [ABershaw@aol.com] The Great EDA List Debate `99 [Amias Maldonado ] Re: Jewel on Spanish TV ["Chris Groves" ] Be kind to all llamas AND people! [W1GGY2@aol.com] about getting together [JewelAng@aol.com] Jewel: an exterior view ["Nico Pham" ] pictures of jewel? [FallinPixi@aol.com] HGH [KNicky3116@aol.com] vets vets vets..blah blah blah [CLEARVVATR@aol.com] Ubiquitious ramblings ["Amelia S. Vlah" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:27:31 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB-HGH Workshop in San Diego Hello to any EDAs that attend High School in the San Diego area, We're reposting this & extending the deadline because we have not recieved enough replies yet. (Possibly due to the large amounts of mail lately..) Jewel & Nedra's humanitarian foundation Higher Ground For Humanity will soon begin the first in a series of workshops geared toward focusing the concepts & projects that they will pursue. We would like to create a "High School Advisory Board" & we'd very much appreciate having YOU participate in this! What we're looking for over the next few days is 8 to 10 EDAs who attend High School in San Diego that would enjoy particpating in this first workshop. The workshop will take place most likely on Friday March 19th (after school hours at 4:00PM) in the Mira Mesa area & costs you nothing other than time & thought about: "Be The Difference That Makes A Difference". We'd like to invite 4 to 5 male EDAs & 4 to 5 female EDAs (who attend High School in San Diego) & are available to attend & participate in this workshop. If you would like to be considered for an invitation to this first HGH workshop, please send me the following information as soon as possible: Name: Age: Email Adress: home phone number (optional, but it makes it easier to contact you): High School you attend: Briefly tell us why you'd enjoy being included. PLEASE put "HGH Workshop" in the subject line of your reply so I can see it easily amongst all my email. All the above information will not be shared with anyone other than the HGH team running the workshop. I'll collect all eligible replies until Friday night & the HGH team will choose the EDAs to invite. Those EDAs will be contacted directly with directions & more information. I sincerely hope you will join in on this 1st HGH/EDA project. There will be many more to come. If you would like more information about Higher Ground For Humanity, please visit us at the HGH pages of Jewel's website at www.jeweljk.com All the best, MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:16:08 -0600 From: Amias Maldonado Subject: The Great EDA List Debate `99 Hey "vets", "newbies", or whoever else is on here, The minute I saw Alan's post, I knew this thing was going to be a HUGE deal. And I wanted to get a good measure on what other people's opinions were before I decided to weigh in. Of course, at this stage in the discussion, I'll bet a lot of EDAs will just delete this b/c they're tired of hearing about it. Anyways....... I first found Jewel when the video for "WWSYS" first came out. Went out and bought PoY, loved it madly, of course. At that stage in my life, I really needed something to believe in. I needed an idea, a belief, a person to lean on. Jewel became all of those things. So, when I saw something on MTV's "Week In Rock" (or MTV News 1515, for you younguns) on Jewel, and this fan club of hers called the "EDAs", I was insanely jealous that I didn't have an e-mail address to join the EDAs with. I managed to get on the Web, and checked out some sites and found out about this upcoming EDA event called "Jewelstock". Wow! She's playing just for her fans! Not only did that cement my ideas about Jewel herself, but that also told me that the EDAs were MORE than just a fan base. They were a group of people. Everything I imagined about early EDA days was apparently right, judging from recent posts. It was a real community, with Jewel as an underlying theme, but not the only issue of the day. However, as we all know, that changed forever the day they released "YWMFM" as a single. Jewel doesn't "belong" just to us anymore. She belongs to the world. And a LOT of us are probably angry about that. I agreee COMPLETLY with Sarah, about how all of us Jewel fans all have to come to terms with that. Some EDAs have even written to the list, saying how they're leaving the list, disenfranchised with what Jewel and the list has become. I would even go as far to say that there are a few EDAs like me out there, who secretly wished somewhere inside them that maybe "Spirit" WOULDN'T do so good, and the fickle world of pop culture would spit Jewel back out, and we would have her all to ourselves again. But that didn't happen. The list is simply too big for that to happen. Not all of us are people who liked her before she became the commercial entity named Jewel. Not all of us got to sit in a coffee house filled with 50-100 people listening to her. Not all of us even got to go to Jewelstock. Whether we like it or not, there ARE people on here who like Jewel because "I like that one song, where she rides the horse in the video" and, God forbid, there's probably people on the list who like Jewel because "she's hot." So what's the solution? Some vets have said for people to basically shape up or ship out. "You want a better list? Start writing! Make it better! If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!" That's an okay idea, except with one problem: Us new people don't know how!! We've never been on a list like this. We don't know how the list existed before we were here. We need you to show us. And I've seen WAY too many of these "I'm a vet, and I haven't written for months, but I feel compelled to write now and say that the list sucks." during this debate. Someone brought up the abandoned concept of Angel Moms and Dads. YES!!! GREAT!! I had one! It makes you feel involved. If the vets and newbies want the list to start feeling like a community again, we need to work together. Another person told the list about how someone is making a SoCal EDAs chapter. That sounds good too! Having people meet EDAs near them would definetly help. Of course, I tried to make a Texas EDAs chapter a couple weeks back. Mike told me there should be approx. 40-60 Texas EDAs based on total EDA numbers. I got 12 responses. So hopefully this whole debate thing should serve as a wake up call to everyone that "yea, the list is kinda sucking right now. But if you want to make it better, contribute!" Lately, when I see the Hands or DSL videos, I sit back and go "What?" You look at those videos, and you don't think it's the same Jewel. It's not the same Jewel that really lived out of her van. It's not the same Jewel that sings the angelfood we love. It's not the same Jewel that played at Jewelstock. We've already discussed old/new Jewel for most of the time since "Spirit" came out, but I really think that that arguement ties into this one we have here. It's the same concept of trying to keep the intimacy when the popularity is spinning out of control. However, I have this Alaskan woman that I believe in. She's fond of saying "Keep your faith." I have faith that Jewel's not changing. I have faith that Jewel thinks of the EDAs as something special, not just some fans she can do with or without. I have faith that we CAN make this list work and bring it back to something special. I have faith. - -Amias The angel who's stepping off his soapbox now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:45:46 -0000 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: Re: Jewel on Spanish TV >PS Another great thing about the list is that you can cheekily ask if >any UK EDA has had time to transcribe, photocopy or scan a copy of the >Mail on Sunday article. You don't get the magazine with it in >Switzerland - anyone willing to mail it to me - please - Chris? There's no text yet, but you should find the pictures on my web site now. They are... Tha Angel Jewel http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~cmgroves/Jewel/Media/Mags/DailyMail/990314.jpg Jewel aged 9 with her dad & The Kilcher log cabin. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~cmgroves/Jewel/Media/Mags/DailyMail/990314a.jpg Jewel and Nedra http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~cmgroves/Jewel/Media/Mags/DailyMail/990314b.jpg Jewel's Aunt Mossy http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~cmgroves/Jewel/Media/Mags/DailyMail/990314c.jpg Chris. Jewel:Pieces Of UK : http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~cmgroves/Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:41:24 EST From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Be kind to all llamas AND people! Hello, everyone.... I've been debating with myself whether to get in on this "state of the EDA's" thread or not. BUT, I guess I will. A few things should be made clear: 1) Don't be offended by anything Sean Hooks says, because Sean offends EVERYONE at some time or another, not just you! 2) I think when the vets (and, yes, I count myself as one - sometimes it feels I've been on this damned list since the beginning of time! :-) are "lamenting" about the old days, they're really just being a little nostalgic. Wistful, even. Kind of like when your grandfather gets that glazed look in his eye as he recounts a story from his youth that you're really only half interested in, but you listen to it all anyway out of respect. Anyway, just remember, everyone always remembers the past as being better than it really was! We had PLENTY of flame wars back then, same as now. 3) I don't think most of us want the list to go back to the way it was, as in kicking out all the newer members. I think what we're hoping for is to recapture some of the feeling of what we had and bring it into the new fray, so we and the new members can experience it. Thus, the debate was really one of "moderation" vs "non-moderation" not "newbie" vs "oldbie(?)" because the point is that many posts that are not Jewel-related do not come through. Therefore, a lot of the personality of the individuals is being lost and it makes it harder to bond. Also, you miss out on people's views...as someone said, the chance to learn from others. The list will probably never be unmoderated, which is a good thing. The point is - at what point should moderation begin? Perhaps we should loosen the boundaries a bit. That's my vote, I must say. Having been on the list so long, I have to say I get a little tired of hearing about how Jewel looks day after day. BUT I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD ELIMINATE THOSE POSTS! (I had to make that bold so everyone doesn't jump down my throat!) It would just be nice if there was something for everyone. When people leave, it's mainly out of boredom, I do believe. As for gatherings, don't worry, there will be plenty. Once summer comes, and once the US tour starts, it will be as it is every year, I'm sure. For one thing, the EDAF has gatherings of some sort every couple of months. So far, these have only been in the Northeast, but I'm hoping people will start looking to have them all over. What people have to understand is that gatherings don't just happen. There is no gathering-leader! Whether you're in the US or elsewhere, someone (ie YOU) has to stand up and say "I'm having a gathering". Name a date, a time, a place, post about it frequently - like once a week. If you keep posting "we should have a gathering sometime", I guarantee you it will never happen. Just some advice. And here's some more advice - HAVE A GATHERING! Or attend one. You won't regret it. By the way, Sue, I live in NJ too. A lot of events happen around here. Feel free to email me if you'd like and I'll fill you in. And Rowdy - you are very cool! Love your posts! Extremely non-exclusionary, Amy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:53:09 EST From: JewelAng@aol.com Subject: about getting together Hey all, I've been reading posts about people talking about having a like get together the only thing is you know how many people would be left out. I mean I'm only 14 and my parents would never let me go anywhere like that. It's just I'm sure it would work some to get things going in the right derction but it would leave that people that couldn't come isolated form the group. Just a thought. Bye. -The Fallen Angel Rebecca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:57:25 PST From: "Nico Pham" Subject: Jewel: an exterior view Hi, the recent dicussions about the "changing" Jewel and the "changed" EDA-list led me to write this letter, and I appreciate it when you read it, 'though my skill to express myself correctly in English is far from being perfect. This is my opinion: No doubt, we all here adore and love Jewel. But we have to be very careful: nobody (almost) actually knows her or has even met her. Ask yourself, do you like her because you pretend to know her? Or do you just love the image you have, an image created by media and by Jewel herself? Yes, I mean "by Jewel herself". Or do you really believe that she IS what she expresses in some of her songs? Lay down your enthusiasm a little bit and you will see that Jewel simply wants to get the best out of her situation, including the fact that she gradually loses contact to her basic fans. So her image we have changes, and that's what caused recent dicussions, I think. Would the "image"-Jewel sell her biography for millions of dollars? Well, Jewel does. And that's ok. By the way, I don't want anyone to believe that I'm a pessimist. I'm trying hard to present a very objective-not-enthusiastic point of view. :-) She simply grew with her popularity. She propably thinks "Wow, I have the possibility to make money with my poetry and my music. But for how long? Let me make the best out of it NOW." Very economic and foresighted, not only by her, also by her management. Congratulations. Hm, that's what I wanted to say. Thanx for reading. Nico *I'm going to the Zürich concert* :-) *** http://www.fortunecity.de/hockenheim/senna/10/index.html WATCH MY NEW F1-PICS FROM BARCELONA-TESTING, FEB. 99!!!! *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:43:10 EST From: FallinPixi@aol.com Subject: pictures of jewel? hey everyone. . .I'm looking for pictures of jewel when her hair's weaved /twisted up. . .it's for prom. . .so i need them sometimes soon! *Cara* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:43:25 EST From: KNicky3116@aol.com Subject: HGH Hey EDA's, After reading MrBB's post on the San Diego workshop for HGH, I was wondering if it would ever come to the East Coast. I went to the website but I didn't really find much on HGH. I was still half asleep when I checked it, but all I saw was the letter from Nedra. Is there another section about HGH that I missed somehow? (I wouldn't doubt that I missed it:) I really want to participate, and I wish I lived in San Diego right now. Any help will be appreciated! - -Nicole angel on horseback ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:25:59 EST From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: vets vets vets..blah blah blah > I do think it's only a real small number who consider time on the list to be > a big deal or a status symbol from a lot of the posts i've been readin it seems to me that it's a pretty huge deal to be a vet. i totally agree with you, homenow guy. your post hit home 'cause these "vets" sure have been making me feel like shit. although i dont post at all i got offended when an old time subscriber said that he doesnt even bother readin most of the mail 'cause it's "superficial." and i believe i can quote the superficial part. i can care less about not reading the mail 'cause i dont read half the mail myself but saying that the newcomers are superficial (or something to that affect) is absolutely ridiculous. at this point, im not caring about how sugary sweet all those eves and adams and jacks and jills (or whatever other popular vets there are) are...all of this complaing about the newbies has left a *bitter* (and lemme repeat BITTER) taste in my mouth. thanks for listening, Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:24:07 -0500 From: "Amelia S. Vlah" Subject: Ubiquitious ramblings I'm sure I spelled my subject wrong. *shrug* - -This is my first post in...oh... a long long time. Applause my dear Alan, you got me to write. - -the future of this list... have we not had this discussion a few times before? - -I have not read a whole digest in a long time because "I don't know them anymore" but I'm still here. Why? -I'm too attached to leave. I think it would break my heart to not be apart of this even in the somewhat apathetic way i have been lately. I'd feel like a traitor or something. I've had way too many amazing experiences to leave. - -I have begun scanning the senders lately, I'll admit I read because I started recognizing names again. Kinda silly, but I'm being honest. And I read the names I did not know too. About the vanity of the word "vet". - -Once upon a time, a vet on Jewel@smoe had been around since the begining. Then it was "I've been subscribed for a whole 6mo..." and that was like "WOW, you're old school". Then it was a year... Now I think I actually read yesterday "I've only been on the list for a year..." well damn. Still newbie at a year now.... Its all relative really. So what's the difference? - -So the list has had its changes, its puberty, whatever you want to call it. its inevitable. - -I know that no matter what happens here, its not going to change the relationships with people you've met here. Some of my dearest friends I met on this list. -A lot are no longer around. still friends. - -Yes, it can be sad in a way, when it seems the whole aura of this room out there in cyberland, labeled proudly with blue ribbons and purple teddy bears and guitar playing angels and tie-died slips and cider-jack and stacks and stacks of tapes and cds and posters and picks and sharpies and dat machines and tape-to-tapes and blue llamas and ticket stubs and and empty chairs at sold out theatres for all of us who couldn't make it and with EDA, has changed, has become perhaps a bit less familiar. Its a little like going back to your hometown after being away for a long time. Its vividly familiar, its home, but for just a little while it seems foreign, because that tree wasn't there last time, and your parents have different cars, and maybe your neighbors moved and a young couple with little kids moved in and now there's bright swingsets in their yard that weren't there before. But its still home, its the same house, even though your childhood friend has up and moved to Vancouver or LA or NY. And at first you think you hate these kids because they're new and they don't know ANYTHING about how to climb that old apple tree in the back yard, and they don't remember how much cooler swingsets were when they were still a rusty metal substance. But then you're outside minding your own buisness, reading your own old classic book, a rare one you can't get anymore. And these kids had picked apples from that old tree. And they bring you some, and you have one, and they ask you to play baseball with them, and you teach them all about which trees to use as which base like you used to do with your friend. And they think you're cool, cuz you know stuff about this strange new place they're in, and you think they're cool, because you forgot how fun it was to eat apples you just picked and play baseball with trees as bases, because you havn't done it in so long. and you never knew that there was an old shack in the back woods. You took for granted all that which you once thought was so cool. Everyone has something to offer eachother. new or old or newbie or vet or whatever you wanna call it. I still feel like a newbie to tell ya the truth. - -Moderating. Well I know I don't miss that crazy taco flaming guy. or Burrito? Whatever. But I think it does take away a little bit. But this isn't just a few friends on a list together. this is like a Jewel city. Suburbs happen. - -I type too much. The only thing I need to say here is that Mike Connell and Alan Bershaw rock. and if you don't know that, well hell, you are clueless! I think I have a right to say that much ;) and as a very wise EDA named Liz once told me and another as we fought over something inconsequential: "Love Eachother." - -Mia ~~~~~ Vale et me ama, Amelia S. Vlah (Mia) ~turtle~ asv@po.cwru.edu "If you think you're gonna sink, you're gonna sink." ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #130 ***************************