From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #124 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 124 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Future of the EDAs ["Dani Granche" ] Jewel and my tattoo artist ["cymbaline 76" ] a common goal/high horses [ABershaw@aol.com] question ["jewel jk" ] NJC: Shawn Mullins list idea... [scott e sykes ] Jewel Tablature [Stevie3103@aol.com] Future of the EDA's -- Relax [JohnTracy4@aol.com] Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this [Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: The Future of the EDAs Hi angels, I'm not a vet EDA, I've been on the list for just a year, but I think I can also give my opinion about Alan's post. I don't know how the list used to be, but I think I know how it is now. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong in moderation if it used for the reasons Alan pointed: 1) Stopping illegal activity, personal profiteering & SPAM 2) Stopping totally inane flame bait posts & posts from non-subscribers. 3) Stopping content that has no purpose other than to be blatantly insulting to The EDAs, Jewel or Nedra or that would hurt their good relationship with The EDAs. But I think any other kind of post should be allowed even if it's no Jewel content. For example, it seems that only Alan writes about artists different than Jewel (Cindy Lee Berryhill, Joy Eden Harrison, etc), is he the only one allowed to do this? I can't believe everybody in this list only like Jewel music. So, why don't we read posts about other artists? I'm planing to buy Steve Poltz's "One left shoe" CD, I've only heard one song of Steve (Silver lining) and it will be the first time I will buy a CD before I've heard at least three songs of the singer/group that has made it. So, why will I buy it? Just because a lot of people in this list like him. I mean if we all like Jewel music and everybody seems to like Steve, there's a high probability I will also like him. Anyway, if this happen with Steve just because he's included in the "Jewel content" category, maybe we're missing somebody else because he doesn't fit this category. Maybe there's a girl playing in a small coffeehouse, touching the hearts of people with her songs and an EDA has discovered her but he can explain it to us because it's no Jewel related. I think a lot of us would like to know her and her music before it would become worldwide famous. Do you know what I mean? This is just an example of the things we can be missing because of the moderation. I mean, how does Mike know what interests EDAs and what not? In my opinion, everybody should decide what they want to read and what don't interest them. And if anybody just want to read about Jewel, he can subscribe only to the Jewel News list and forget about the EDAs. This lead me to another point, is it necessary to divide this list into several lists? I'm not talking about the different versions of this list (regular, digest & news), I'm talking about the EDA project, EDA thoughts and EDA Foundation lists. I've only been subscribed to one of this lists, it's the EDA project which is working to make a new EDA shirt. This EDA project began as a separated list on February 2nd. Before this happened a lot of people posted suggestion on this subject during a couple of days, 'til Mike decided the discussion should move to another list. Since then, in a month and a half less than 70 mails have been posted to it. That means an average of less than two mails a day. Would this amount of mails have been too annoying for the rest of the EDAs? The weirdest thing is that this project has finally chosen two designs made in 1996, before Jewelstock. Maybe the EDAs have lost creativity through the years, maybe the EDA project list was not a good enough idea or maybe in the old days EDAs thought it worth to work for some hours to make a design for a shirt for all of the EDAs and now we don't think so, who knows? In conclusion, I think there's a minimum moderation needed to avoid bad posts, but nothing else, and that the Jewel mailing list should not be divided in parts. If we really are an open-minded community, we should be all together and feel free to say whatever we want. I hope I haven't offended anybody, specially Mike and Rich Long (EDA shirt project leader), both really do a good job. Take care, Dani Barcelona EDA friend "I want to live bravely and love without fear" - Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:49:01 PST From: "cymbaline 76" Subject: Jewel and my tattoo artist Hi everyone! Well, last night, I got my first tattoo. I'm so proud of myself. It hurt alot, but I was really brave. (that sounds so corny: "I was really brave") I just didnt handle it nearly as bad as some people do. Especially considering it was my first. Anyways, the guy was doing my tattoo, he had a ton of tattoos, and my friend was like "what do those letters on the back of your neck mean?" And he said "Jewel" I was thinking he meant "jewel" as in a "rock" (I didn't see the letters, and I thought maybe it was "a jewel" in Chinese or something) Then he said "the snob" I dont know if he was serious or not at that statement, but I was like "Hey! I *like* Jewel!" He said he did too, but he got her name tattooed on him as a dare or something. But that's still cool... a really macho big guy, w/ tattoos all over his body, having Jewel's name on his back. Peace, cymbaline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:46:59 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: a common goal/high horses Hi all, I hope this discussion continues about how this list can evolve. I obviously touched a nerve! It's good to reflect once in awhile. I'd also like to say that Mike & I are cool with each other & will remain that way. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him & the efforts he always puts in. We been through way too much to ever be anything but good friends. So when discussing the issues of the future of this list, I am NOT encouraging picking sides. There are no sides. We all want to have fun, discuss Jewel & hopefully have a more meaningful experience here. The real question is: How can a group this large better focus toward achieving those goals? Mike, The J-Team & I all have some good ideas, but we want to know what YOU think. I also want to make one other thing perfectly clear about where I'm coming from personally. I have ZERO interest in recapturing the past. That is definitely NOT part of my hopeful vision for The EDAs. I'm only interested in how to improve the future. And in another area: In a message dated 3/13/99 3:35:16 PM, sitara@mbox2.singnet.com.sg writes: <> Sean, I'd only like to add that if you decide to stay on your high horse, now I can rope ya from 30 feet! ;-) Alan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:05:10 PST From: "jewel jk" Subject: question does anyone know about how many angelfood tapes are out there? i know its hard to count them all, but about how many? "There's gonna be some stuff that you're gonna see that's gonna make it hard to smile in the future, but whatever you see, through all the rain and pain, you gotta keep a sense of humor. Gotta be able to smile through all this bullshit. Remember that....." "Smile"----Tupac Shakur Tanny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:07:01 -0800 From: scott e sykes Subject: NJC: Shawn Mullins list idea... Hello beautiful Angels, I had an idea about having a list for Shawn Mullins a few months back so i'm gonna resurface it. If i created a Shawn Mullins list, would be people come? (voice says) "Build it and they will come" Myself and a lot of others are fans of Mr. Mullins and would like a list. I've researched very well and there is no official posting list, there is an info list which SMG records posts about 3 times a year! What ya think???żżż Scott S. Big Sexy Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:33:50 EST From: Stevie3103@aol.com Subject: Jewel Tablature I wanted to know the site that i use to recommend to people that was looking for Jewel tabs. I lost the link for it. It wasn't Gerrit's tabs site, it was another one. If anyone knows of this one or any other one, please e mail them to me...(the address) Stevie the RENT agel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:38:45 EST From: JohnTracy4@aol.com Subject: Future of the EDA's -- Relax I have been reading the post about the future of the EDA's. All I have to say is relax. Some people are coming up with some very good ideas. If you have anymore good ideas please share them with the group. If you feel strongly go with it. But I don't believe in there being 5 or 6 or even 7 different list. I think that there should only be 3 or at the most 3. Not all of this different stuff. Personally, when I read these post about this subject. I think to myself the hell that you are making this seem to be. It really isn't as tough a decision as you are making it. If I end up reading another one about saying that the list should be moderated all I can think of saying has been quoted already.... "I want to fly from here, I want to fly from here, I want to fly from here." Thank you for taking you time to read John ~The Forever Questioning Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:09:32 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this Hi Everyone, I feel that Alan has definitely raised a number of very important issues. They are issues that undoubtedly raise passionate or even humorous responses from those with strong opinions. Alas, for those times of yore we keep hearing about. :) This response to Alan's email is long, but I felt it was necessary to be very clear about what I see. Whether or not you agree with it is your business. :) As I read Alan's email, there was one underlying theme that was echoing in the back of my mind. What have we lost? Sure popularity= more people, but what happened to the quality and the comradery that was there before? Why are there people who were EDAs in the beginning leaving the list, or for those no longer there, why did they leave? We started out as fans of Jewel and then we became fans of each other. Those were the words that described the EDAs in the early days. We were inspired, our hearts and hopes inflamed by this girl whose message was one of hope and following your dreams. Her very life was the testament of courage and humanity. It was a positive message that found a voice in music. Today is a different day. Jewel is popular, not necessarily for the same reasons the early followers of Jewel loved her. She's being protected from legal issues which may arise from her success. The quantity of people on the EDA list is enormous. I know I no longer have the time to read all the digests. What I remember from time to time are superficial questions about Jewel's clothing, about her looks, people throwing barbs at each other, and questions about the integrity of the people on the list. Sure, there are still people there, young and older who understand what being an EDA means, but what I have seen repeatedly is disillusionment. It is the disillusionment of the older EDAs of the spirit they feel is gone, the disillusionment by some EDAs that Jewel isn't spoon feeding us more, the disillusionment by other EDAs of what they perceive as the list's loss of the message Jewel represented that made the list special. Humans are a strange species. Like other primates they are social animals. Humans I have found also have this peculiar need to belong to something, to believe in something. Our culture, our public schools, and our religions do not teach us otherwise. We are not taught at an early age to believe in ourselves, to value ourselves, or to have faith in ourselves and so we gauge our happiness by the actions of others, or the approval of others instead of our own thoughts and values. And so instead of bringing the light that shines from within us out, we become disillusioned when we don't see that light in others, or when we don't get that pat on the back or attention we wanted. Instead of remaining positive and living with enlightened optimism, we become reliant on a figure head, an idol to worship or become cynical about life. We want to be told things are ok instead of believing they are by looking around us or thinking about what's happening. I think the problem is people are inspired, but don't act on the inspiration because they don't know how to act. They don't know what to do. Jewel figured it out. Most of the older EDAs either understood it all along or figured it out. And some of the new EDAs are beginning to or have figured it out. But most have not. On what grounds do I have to say this you may ask? The actions of the people on the list and the very act of leaving by those EDAs I know from sheer frustration. What aren't people seeming to get? That our greatest power is free choice. Each of us has the power every day to do anything we want within the limits of our values and beliefs and the initial conditions. We can live our lives for the happiness of others, or we can live our lives for the happiness of ourselves. We can live by our own values and under the strength and courage of our own convictions or we can live by what someone else tells us to believe. We can do what our hearts honestly move us to do, or we can blindly do only what we're told. We can take our destinies in our hands and follow our dreams, or remain idle under layers of self-imposed limitations and excuses. When I realized this, my entire thinking changed. Jewel no longer became the focal point of being an EDA. Living my life and helping people because my heart so moved me became the point of what I continued to call myself an EDA. Having the courage to stand up for my beliefs and values and to encourage others to bring the light that shines in their souls became what it meant to me to be an EDA. Living my life by my own hands and accepting responsibility for myself for each decision became who I am, became who I try to encourage others to be. I encouraged others not to be afraid of thought, or exploring different ideas, and to be tolerant and accepting of others though they may not be accepting of you. Choosing to be yourself and not what others want you to be became the driving force to me of what it meant to be free. These things also made for the best EDA gatherings. A lot of people really do think that what Jewel did is impossible for them to achieve. And until they adjust their thinking, their idolizing will not change. That is done by choice, however self-imposed. The list changed because the people who are on it changed. The list afterall is only a reflection of the people on it. If there is anything that should be done about the list, I believe it is in our own perceptions of the list and the choices each and every one of us should make in response to that change. We can use enlightened optimism or not when someone behaves rudely. That is our choice. We can complain all the want about what Jewel is doing wrong, as if we know better. That again is our choice. We can choose to love Jewel's music and her message, but those of us who understand Jewel's message know they are not an endall and should not be treated as such. She would not want it treated as such. Jewel can't hand feed the EDAs and nor should we expect her to. She has to live her own life, just as we have to live ours. She is human and is still figuring out her life just as many of us who choose to are also doing. She shares a special relationship with the EDAs because of who we are as people. We should show her the respect we would show our friends instead of complaining like children when we don't get something. The only thing in this world we can control is ourselves in the choices we make and actions we take every day. We can live honestly with compassion or live our lives superficially on perception. The truth for me is, it all comes down to each of us choosing the way we want to live and how we choose to treat the people we call our friends. Your actions and words are a reflection of who you are. So what can we do about the Jewel list to make it more like how many of us remember it? Well, you'd probably have to have a lot of people on it who are like the people who were there when the list was at its height for comradary. How do you do that however is not an easy question to answer. Short of becoming unaccepting of people and cutting them out (not acceptable), there is no fast way. Instead, the only acceptable way I can think of is to help those who may be struggling with the question of how. Try to encourage people to value themselves, to believe in themselves, and to follow their own hearts. The choices are all theirs, and they have to do all the work. It's what life is about. And each person's life is strictly their own afterall. None of us can make anyone else understand something they don't want to understand and nor should we. We are all equal, we all make choices that manifest into actions, and we are all human. Somehow in all this, we seem to have forgotten that. Think for yourself, know yourself, and never stop believing in yourself. Jewel can't solve your problems. You are the only one who can do that. Jewel just provides the inspiration and the voice. Albert ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #124 ***************************