From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #117 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 117 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NJC Jewel Chats.... ["Fletch _NZ" ] quotes? [FallinPixi@aol.com] PLEASE READ!!!!!!! [Jarrod Raphael ] Re: jewel-digest V4 #97 [Renee Cusick ] NJC: off subject but please listen [LuverMb20@aol.com] The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this [ABershaw@aol.com] NJC:RE:The Future of The EDAs Hi, I'm Liz. Do any of you know me? Probably not, nor do you care. [] MrBB-HGH Workshop-High School EDAs in San Diego Needed! [ABershaw@aol.co] Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this [Tlcathome@aol.com] Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this [Tlcathome@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:40:49 PST From: "Fletch _NZ" Subject: Re: NJC Jewel Chats.... How about a Jewel Chat in Virtual Places chat? Anyone heard of it?....Its like Mirc etc, but each person has a little AV, or icon and the background of the room can be ANY web page. We could hold a chat with http://jewel.zoonation.com as the background page or www.jeweljk.com as the background page, and discuss the pics or whatever....... Just a thought Jos Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:05:06 EST From: FallinPixi@aol.com Subject: quotes? Hey everyone. . .I'm trying to put together a really nice book of my passion. . .no just kidding i couldn't talk the actors into fitting into my book :) so. . .I'm doing a book for the black & white/painted photo's I've taken/done for photography class (this might just be my third form of art that i can do!). . .I'm looking for quotes to put in it. . .about angels. . .vegas. . .random stuff. . .life etc.. (they don't haveta be from Jewel. . .but I'd love some that were. . .and i know there's a quote page out there of Jewel's. . .but am too lazy to check and see if it's on my favorite places) I need A real inspirational one for the first page. . . Thank ya so much ya lovely angels! *Cara* The confused,sad,deeply dramatic(acting) angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:37:36 -0500 From: Jarrod Raphael Subject: PLEASE READ!!!!!!! Hello Angels, I am a new member so if you don't know me that is why. I just wanted to write to ask all of the angels please do not e-mail me from March 12 to March 23 because I will be going on Spring Break and I do not want my account here at school to lock up because of too many e-mails. Thanks a lot, and I can't wait to hear from all of you when I get back from Break. Jarrod ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Renee Cusick Subject: Re: jewel-digest V4 #97 Hi all! I was reading an old digest and started to think, "Gee, I hardly know anything about Innerchange Days!" So I had a thought. (Scary, I know.) Why don't the lucky EDAs who saw Jewel at Innerchange right about funny moments, dramatic moments, or anything else they remember about Innerchange Days and send it to the list? Like the fact that Jewel used to say (at the end of each show), "Remember to blah blah blah and always get perfect moments stuck between your teeth." Anything like this would be soooo great! Thanks! Renee The Angel With Butterfly Wings == "If you don't give your soul to someone, you can never begin to love them; if you do give your soul to them, you can never stop loving them." --R.C. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:30:54 EST From: LuverMb20@aol.com Subject: NJC: off subject but please listen Hello all. I've got a few words I need to say and I wanted to say them here, so please bear with me. One of my teacher's is married and his wife are expecting a baby this summer and they are having complications with her birth. First of all, the baby has a thickness in her neck that is usually associated with Down's Syndrome. She also has heart problems and fluid where it shouldnt be. I'm asking you for help. I realize this isn't a religious group at all. In fact, I'm not even religious, but I'm begging you, can you please say a little prayer for my teacher tonight or whenever you get this that when my teacher has his baby girl she's born healthy and that they live a happy life. I'm very upset about this, it hurts so much. And, it puts things in perspective for me. I was upset a couple days ago about not getting accepted to my first choice college, but now i realize how shallow that seems. Here is a great guy who is having real life problems and here i am complaining about petty stuff. I also wanted to say this as a type of wake up call thing...that there are tons of real problems and we need to open our hearts. Which, actually brings me on topic becuase i think its something Jewel would endorse. Thank you for listening. Ami ~~ the temporarily heart broken angel:( ~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:32:32 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this Hi all, Please take the time to read this carefully. I'm about to address an issue I've spent a lot of time thinking about over the past year. From the email I've received, I know these thoughts have crossed the minds of many of you. This may be the most important post I've ever written. Here goes..... Once upon a time people made a soulful connection to each other beyond the day to day discussion about Jewel on this list. For two years, great things were always going on & it really was an exciting time on this list. Many longterm friendships were made, people were turning each other on to great music (both Jewel & not), helping each other through hard times & taking Jewel's message to heart by focusing the list energy on helping others, getting together at Living Room Concerts & trading & sharing music FREELY. As time went on & numbers grew over the last few years, decisions were made to divide the Jewel list into facets at times & enforce certain restrictions on list content. Like everyone else here, I went along with these decisions & hoped for the best. These decisions were based on a determination by your list manager (NOT me or Jewel Management) that EDAs would function better this way & volume could be reduced on the ever-growing Jewel list. I know the intentions behind this were to reduce volume & to help make this list more enjoyable for everyone. These are unquestionably good intentions, but I'm confused about some of the results now that these restrictions & procedures have been in place for quite awhile. For instance, it was decided that all talk of any EDA project should be taken "off list" to a separate EDA-Project list. It was also determined that any personal issues or creative writing would be eliminated here & relegated to another EDA-Thoughts list. Likewise, posts from The EDAFoundation & messages of a humanitarian nature were not embraced & had restrictions imposed. Some non-specific-Jewel content, such as sharing other interesting artists with each other or posts containing strictly humorous content are now heavily restricted or edited without consultation & often not allowed. These are all decisions that trouble me. I'm seriously wondering which ones are having a helpful effect & which ones a detrimental effect overall? Your list moderator has informed me that when I stray from the subject of Jewel, many of you complain about me to him. But I've never received a single complaint. In fact, I usually receive thankful messages for informative posts about other artists & peripheral topics. (Why complaints never were sent to me, I don't know. I sincerely hope I'm not THAT intimidating! I welcome feedback about my posts. Please feel free to express your concerns to me directly.) Although I agree that moderation is essential in huge forums like this, I never agreed with such strict content regulation of the above & have had great difficulty with it for a long time. I write this post with a sadness for what possibly is lost in the process of moderation & separation that must conform to such strict guidelines. Has it slowly eliminated most humor, many of the personal connections & a lot of the sharing that once made this list exciting & fun to be involved with? I think that might be the case, but I'm not sure. There are facets of moderation I totally believe in for groups as large as this. For those curious, I'll tell you exactly what they are. It's the following things where moderation can be very helpful, if not essential, in my opinion: 1) Stopping illegal activity, personal profiteering & SPAM 2) Stopping totally inane flame bait posts & posts from non-subscribers. 3) Stopping content that has no purpose other than to be blatantly insulting to The EDAs, Jewel or Nedra or that would hurt their good relationship with The EDAs. That's really about it, as far as I'm concerned, & without question, your moderator does a wonderful job regarding these issues. As with many here, I have a vision for this community & I think that vision still exists here amongst many others. Its a simple vision that The EDAs would continue to intelligently discuss Jewel's work, but in the process, offer each other words of friendship, lots of laughs & hopefully continue to be a force for positive change. That simple really. Where did all that go? I know its still here but I rarely see it ON THE LIST anymore. I see it all the time when people write to me privately, so I know it still exists. Is the pulse of this list being helped or hindered by the current state of moderation? Let me say with all sincerity that I appreciate the time & effort your moderator Mike has put in to run the logistics of these lists & projects. It's certainly not an easy job & often thankless. I've been through a lot with Mike over the past 4 years. I like him a lot & admire his dedication. However, I've never agreed with these "divisive procedures & strict regulation of list content" policies. I simply don't agree with them and I have listened carefully to all the reasons & explanations justifying them many times. With that said, I'd also like to say that I still believe with all my heart that although we disagree on these issues, Mike still is the absolute best man for the job, in my opinion. Maybe he needs some help on making some of these difficult decisions that effect everyone? I know for a fact, I could not make such decisions alone & would never want to. I simply think that although most of us are here for the "Jewel content" initially (other than me maybe ;-), that these other facets of "EDA list content" are extremely important to consider. What do you think? Although I have little time to reply, feel free to write me privately but I personally think nothing could be more appropriate "EDA list content" than the future of the EDA list itself. I highly suggest this as a major topic of list discussion! I'd really like to know: How can we get some of that fading spirit & humor back without starting over somewhere else? How can we support & help your moderator accomplish positive changes here & do you think changes are even warranted? These are extremely important issues, in my opinion. I think the future direction of the EDAs, as well as the heart & soul of this list can be determined by your thoughtful & respectful discussion of these issues. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:31:42 EST From: JEWELFAN22@aol.com Subject: NJC:RE:The Future of The EDAs Hi, I'm Liz. Do any of you know me? Probably not, nor do you care. Let's see, I joined this list when I was 14 and now I'm 18. I have to say that I agree with Alan. I once turned to the Jewel list for entertainment and advice, now I hardly even read it. I remember the days when I would post a few times a day....when was the last time that I posted? I couldn't even tell you. I've experienced the love and support that made this list wonderful. I was at JewelStock, the HotDog Fest, LizStock (my 16th birthday party), the Pajama Jam, I've hosted Living Room Tour shows, I traveled my butt off to psychotic places to see Jewel 20 times in concert....I've been turned on to sooo many wonderful musicians some of whom have become good friends. Also, I have made lifelong friendships with people of every race, color, and creed all across this nation and the world. I honestly miss the 'ol days. Granted, I don't listen to Jewel much anymore, but I know that this list has a lot of potential...and is...something great. Ok, that is all I have to say...I will retreat to my lurker status. BTW--all you east coast buddies of mine, I'm heading out to NYU in the fall for school...don't be strangers!! Love, Liz Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Upon seeing the racecar driver in Bearsville... "He was making calls at my sister." --Liz "Did you kill him? I suggest it highly." --Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:48:56 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB-HGH Workshop-High School EDAs in San Diego Needed! Hello to any EDAs that attend High School in the San Diego area, Jewel & Nedra's humanitarian foundation Higher Ground For Humanity will soon begin the first in a series of workshops geared toward focusing the concepts & projects that they will pursue. We would like to create a "High School Advisary Board" & we'd very much appreciate having YOU participate in this! What we're looking for over the next few days is 8 to 10 EDAs who attend High School in San Diego, that would enjoy particpating in this first workshop. The workshop will take place most likely on Friday March 19th (after school hours at 4:00PM) in the Mira Mesa area & costs you nothing other than time & serious thought about: "Being The Difference That Makes A Difference". We'd like to invite 4 to 5 male EDAs & 4 to 5 female EDAs (who attend High School in San Diego) & are available to attend & participate in this workshop. If you would like to be considered for an invitation to this first HGH workshop, please send me the following information as soon as possible: Name: Sex: Email Adress: home phone number: home address: High School you attend: Briefly tell us why you'd enjoy being included. PLEASE put "HGH Workshop" in the subject line of your reply so I can see it easily amongst all my email. All the above information will not be shared with anyone other than the HGH team running the workshop. I'll collect all eligible replies until Monday night & the HGH team will choose the EDAs to invite. Those EDAs will be contacted directly with directions & more information. I sincerely hope you will join in on this 1st HGH/EDA project. There will be many more to come. If you would like more information about Higher Ground For Humanity, please visit us at the HGH pages of Jewel's website at www.jeweljk.com All the best, MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:38:16 EST From: Tlcathome@aol.com Subject: Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this Well, glad to hear I'm not the only EDA who feels the way Alan does. I have to admit, I always said if the list got too moderated, I'd leave it, yet I never did - although I rarely read it anymore, and that's just as bad. The main reason I think I never at least went to news-only is more for sentimental reasons than anything else - I'd hate to lose all connection with this list - It has meant much to me (us). I don't get the same feeling when I do actually read list mail, unless maybe there is actually something from a list vet that seems to be in the spirit of the old list, and that saddens me. While I too appreciate and respect Mike and all the work he puts into this list, I have to agree that some of the changes seem to have done more to hurt the list spirit. I always felt that those who didn't want to get the NJC mail and that mail which has now been relegated to other lists had the option to switch to news-only - Isn't that what it was set up for? Anyway, just thought I'd put my nose in and let anyone who cares know how I feel about the issue - even if I'm not as eloquent as Alan :-) Hoping to see many of you at Bearsville or sooner :-) Love and Huggles, Tammy :-) (The Edamommy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:38:16 EST From: Tlcathome@aol.com Subject: Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this Well, glad to hear I'm not the only EDA who feels the way Alan does. I have to admit, I always said if the list got too moderated, I'd leave it, yet I never did - although I rarely read it anymore, and that's just as bad. The main reason I think I never at least went to news-only is more for sentimental reasons than anything else - I'd hate to lose all connection with this list - It has meant much to me (us). I don't get the same feeling when I do actually read list mail, unless maybe there is actually something from a list vet that seems to be in the spirit of the old list, and that saddens me. While I too appreciate and respect Mike and all the work he puts into this list, I have to agree that some of the changes seem to have done more to hurt the list spirit. I always felt that those who didn't want to get the NJC mail and that mail which has now been relegated to other lists had the option to switch to news-only - Isn't that what it was set up for? Anyway, just thought I'd put my nose in and let anyone who cares know how I feel about the issue - even if I'm not as eloquent as Alan :-) Hoping to see many of you at Bearsville or sooner :-) Love and Huggles, Tammy :-) (The Edamommy :-) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #117 ***************************