From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #16 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, January 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 016 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Old Jewel and POY [Paul Schreiber ] quick thought [kvia@mail.apcnet.com (Kevin Via)] 2 things [Mish370@aol.com] Jewel @ Vatican VHS ["Massimo" ] JC: 2 Covers in 1 day?!? [Kalen81@aol.com] jewel and Nsync [jewelseverydayangel@juno.com (Lynn Casper)] Re: My only Jewel concert experience [Jordie and Iljin ] Re: 2 things [Gerrit ] Re: jewel song on The Craft soundtrack [Stacey Mancarella ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:47:25 -0500 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Old Jewel and POY There's been a lot of discussion about Jewel changing, and a lot of comparisons between Pieces of You and Spirit. I bought Spirit the first day it came out -- I was very anxious to hear Jewel's new album, after a long wait. My initial reaction was "hmmm" -- it struck me as good, but not great. There aren't any songs that reached out and grabbed me -- made me smile, or laugh, or cry, or think about something. I'm reserving final judgment until I get to listen to it some more. Pieces of You was the first CD I bought -- I got it in October of 1997 -- and I loved it immediately. I think I said this before, but I played it three or four times straight (and severely annoyed my roommates :). I really liked Jewel's music because it was so wonderful emotionally for me -- particularly "Near You Always" and "Foolish Games." Jewel is, or at last was, *the* girl-with-guitar, storytelling folk singer. She's an incredibly talented lyricist and has a beautiful voice. And you know what? I happen to *like* her guitar playing. One thing I'm not is a vet EDA. I've been here about a year, and was listening to Jewel for just slightly longer. Now, not everyone here particularly cares about this -- many of you are content to listen to Spirit or whatnot. However, if there was one thing I would have liked, it would have been seeing Jewel play at, oh, C'est What (hi Gian! :) -- a small venue, an acoustic performance, an intimate setting. I value the experience and understanding of those who have been here longer than I have. It's just something intrinsically important to me. Now, sure Jewel has changed. We all change. In many ways -- personally and professionally. Our attitudes towards life change as we grow up. I'm *incredibly* different than I was in 1994. I obviously have no control over Jewel changing, and whether it's good or bad is largely irrelevant to me. What I'm saying is that I like the "old" Jewel -- that's the type of music and performances I find enjoyable. This is about *my* opinion, not about Jewel. I'm not saying she should do what she used to, I'm saying *I* like it. I'll now respond to a couple of other people's posts... Abigail Greif wrote: >The other day I was sitting around, and I was listening to "Spirit", and >I suddenly realized since I bought it I haven't listened to any of my >angelfood tapes. >So I took "jewelstock 3" and played it, and then a few more. >What that did, was make me understnd something. >I listened to "Flower," my favorite song, and I got that feeling.. You >know, when you listen to a song you really like, and you haven't heard >it in a while... Well, nothing on "Spirit" could be as good as that >felt. One thing Spirit did for me is go and listen to POY several times. I also grabbed one of my InnerChange tapes and shoved it in the tape player. Really neat stuff. >I do miss the o'l jewel, the one who would hang out with fans at the >coffe shops, and talk and tell funny stories during her shows, but I'm >willing to give this new one a try, and see where that takes her, and me >as a fan. I can't say I miss it, per se, as I was never there, but it's something I'd very much like to see. "Kim Lees" wrote: >this "Spirit" vs POY discussion is kinda like a one I was having with >another EDA a few days ago... basically, I think what most people don't like >about "Spirit" is the commercialised sound of it, not the fact that it's not >an acoustic album like POY was... I very much like acoustic, singer-songwriter, storytelling music, which POY is, and Spirit isn't. (I'm not saying it's the *only* thing I like -- I listen to rock, pop and jazz as well.) Jewel doesn't sound all that great to me backed by piano music that isn't her own. I certainly don't dislike pianos -- Sarah, Sarah, Chantal and Emm all play keyboard or piano and do a wonderful job. But it's them playing their own music. (This is all IMNERHO, remember:) Spirit has too much production -- it's too slick, too layered, too radio-friendly. >Jewel hasn't "gone electric"... she was using electric instruments way back >in songs like "God's Gift To Women" which is as old as POY... the thing is, >most of the songs on "Spirit" have been recorded with that kinda dull radio >sound which usually guarantees airplay but often doesn't do the song full >justice... a perfect example is "Innocence Maintained" - compare the >"Spirit" version with the "JewelStock" version and you'd hardly believe they >were the same song... Some of my favourite Jewel songs -- Carnivore, God's Gift To Women, are louder, more rockin' stuff. But they still have a *completely* different sound than Spirit. >this post is not about "Spirit"-bashing... hell, I like the album, but only >in the way I'd like, say, a Sheryl Crow album (no offence - I have 2 of >them...), whereas POY - which was recorded with the raw sound Jewel >envisaged when she wrote the songs, without any intention of being played on >radio and selling millions of copies - has a kinda "classic" quality about >it which seems to happen very rarely these days... I'm something of a Sheryl fan as well, and her rock music seems to fit sound well coming out of a studio -- there are some really neat bits on The Globe Sessions. Remember, though, she produced that herself. Sheryl also sounds great live -- I've got a bunch of singles with live tracks on them, and she *rocks*. Alan wrote: >(It certainly wasn't her guitar playing skills!) I'm not a musician myself, and I don't have the ability to judge someone's guitar playing ability. When I went to respond to your comment, I threw POY in the CD player to see how much guitar there really was, and POY has *a lot*. I think she does a very nice job with the guitar, and it complements her voice quite well. I really like the guitar bits on "Cold Song." :) Barry wrote: >for me, Spirit just doesn't quite grab the soul like POY Jesse wrote: > The sound is less personal. The stories are less personal. Jesse also wrote: > I disagree. POY was full of stories, and Spirit is full of >directives, sermons, advice. I agree one hundred percent with these comments. 'night everyone. Paul shad 96c / 3A CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "People on ruglist who've been 'Burns fans for ages and their attitude toward Jewel is ... interesting. Sorta like a wise old man, but in a drunk Rugburns kinda way." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 06:15:07 -0500 From: kvia@mail.apcnet.com (Kevin Via) Subject: quick thought hi all, I think something alot of us wish we could have experianced is an up close performance of Jewel. Many of us would pay big $ to go back in time and see Jewel when she was first starting to become noticed. Something I didn't think about untill recently though is how much i still like my local bands and local music. There are probably several musicians I know and go see regularly in my own town that might be as successful as Jewel one day. It helps you apreciate things. I guess I'm trying to encourage developing an intrest in current musicians who havent exactly reached their peak. Just a thought.. your eda, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:51:38 EST From: Mish370@aol.com Subject: 2 things Fist thing I was watching muchMusic and on there countdown "Hands" is #17 and last week it was #21 so a big jump for her. But not nearly as good as the VH1 top ten. Second is that on MTV say what they play "hands" and when you read the lyrics it says "cause where there's a man who has no voice there a shallow sea" but the real lyric is "cause where theres a man who has no voice there ours shall go singing" I wonder where they get there lyrics from seeing how it is only writen in her cd cover! Michelle "shy angel" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:58:30 +0100 From: "Massimo" Subject: Jewel @ Vatican VHS Hy to everyone, i have recorded the vatican concert broadcasted by CANALE5 (an italian private network) with the italian recorded system (called PAL and not compatible with NTSC). If someone in USA has the possiblity to convert the PAL into NTSC i will send to him a copy of the show so that he can dubbe the show with the USA system a send it to some other EDA's. Let me know!!! MAX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:54:14 EST From: Kalen81@aol.com Subject: JC: 2 Covers in 1 day?!? So here's the deal. Yesterday i was in a car accident [again] and I've been really bummed for the past day (i have bad back probs). This morning i went to the chiro and got "adjusted" again and it made me fairly sore. And then mom took me to the book store, and i was looking through the magazines in hope for a new Jewel cover. I was unsuccessful in finding one. BUT when i came home, much to my surprise, Jewel is on the cover of Entertainment Weekly, for the week of January 15, 1999. EW has an absolutely lovely picture of Jewel on the cover, as well as a few inside. Then, under the Entertainment Weekly was none but People for January 18, 1999. People has a small picture on the cover as well as other "divas" and another picture on p. 81. Both of the pictures in People I have seen before, and most of the info in the article i've read before. But EW has info that may have just flown straight over my head; info about the lawsuit and little quotes that make her seem more human than celebrity; when talking about singing at Rockefeller center she says, "That was one day when i was very depressed. I just couldn't stop crying. It was a hard day. My eyes -- I kept ruining the makeup because I kept crying, and i had to go on stage. I was really trying to keep myself together." I would type out the whole article, but it's way too long. Wow. That's all i can say. Wow. I think I need a nap after all this excitement. Katie* The smurfing angel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:40:26 -0500 From: jewelseverydayangel@juno.com (Lynn Casper) Subject: jewel and Nsync hey i was watching the N sync favorite videos today.and i thought it was so neat that Nsync's 31 favorite video was "foolish games". I thought it was soo cool that a group i really love likes a singer i really love. just thought i would share if anyone was watching *Lynn* ~TriPPy Angel~ visit my web site and Sign the Guestbook! http://members.tripod.com/~CazpaGurL/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:59:08 1223 From: Jordie and Iljin Subject: Re: My only Jewel concert experience Thinking about the Barcelona song, it does seem like a cooinsedence that Jewel played there.:) Is the song "Chime Bells" on any of the angel food tapes? Hey at least you got to see her play once. I haven't seen her yet, but intend to go to see her when she comes to Australia in February! Jordie. mailto:iljin@crafti.com.au www.crafti.com.au/~iljin Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:59:12 1223 From: Jordie and Iljin Subject: Re: Jewel Hi again, About your POY album, pop a bit of ce cleaner on to it and it will stop the skipping around. There was something else I wanted to say ... oh yes. Why don't we have a web page with all the web pages made by people on this Jewel mailing list. I would be willing to do it if that's what people want. It's just that we've had a lot of people post their web pages lately, and maybe I could just grab everyone's web addresses and compile them. Jordie. Who is long overdue with an angel name;) mailto:iljin@crafti.com.au www.crafti.com.au/~iljin Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:20:19 -0800 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: 2 things Hey Michelle, Jewel does play her songs different quite a bit. It is possible that the lyrics were submitted to them seperate from the video and they simply assumed they would be the same. You can go back to old concert tapes and have Jewel singing different versions of her songs all over the place. It is not a surprise that the audio and written tracks do not match (even on her first CD it's this way with WWSYS or one of 'em) because people are not used to going back and verifying the lyrics. In any case, don't be surprised when this happens again with Jewel (as it will!). Gerrit Mish370@aol.com wrote: > Second is that on MTV say what they play "hands" and when you read the lyrics > it says "cause where there's a man who has no voice there a shallow sea" but > the real lyric is "cause where theres a man who has no voice there ours shall > go singing" I wonder where they get there lyrics from seeing how it is only > writen in her cd cover! > > Michelle > "shy angel" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: Stacey Mancarella Subject: Re: jewel song on The Craft soundtrack The Jewel song is about 20 minutes into the movie. It is in the background of the scene where Robin Tuney is talking with Skeet Ulrich. However, the song is really quiet in the background so I suggest you buy the soundtrack so you can really hear the whole song because it is a great song! Stacey - ---Lynn Casper wrote: > > hey i was in the mall last week and i was looking at cds. and i went over > to the soundtracks and picked up the craft (cause i just love that movie) > and i saw a song on there by Jewel. I have never heard it before. and i > am gonna rent the craft soon just so i can hear it. anyone know WHERE in > the movie the song is??? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:48:35 PST From: "Marie Rondeau" Subject: why ??? Hey ... I just want to know why almost everyone of you are debating about the best jewel' s CD...It' s a personal choice and I think that spirit is as good as Pieces Of You. Some of you are also complaining because Jewel has changed since POY. . I think that everyone of us in this world is changing and that' s alright. By the way, what' s that angelfood ? The new angel who loves you all Fasten me to your side. say it will be soon you make me so crazy baby Jupiter ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #16 **************************