From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #696 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 696 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The new Jewel (reply from the list "owner") [Mike Connell ] MrBB-Jewel AOL Chat 12/15 at 8pm [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: ALMOST EVERYONE IN FRESNO HATES JEWEL!!!!!!!!! (except me!!!) [Cha] Recent EDA Jewel bashings [Puro1st@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:07:25 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: The new Jewel (reply from the list "owner") tensor tense wrote: >I also have a few conspiracy theories regarding this list. Firstly, it >is my belief that Mike is now been paid for his efforts on this list. Not a red cent. Never a red cent. Never even received (minor) items "they" said they would send...."I'll send you some items from the JewelStore for your help with the web page" (I was planning on giving it away in an on-list contest anyway) Never received some other items promised that I feel I more than deserved. >It explains many things such as extreme moderation (e.g the lawsuit) Gosh....maybe....there's OTHER explanations??? Usually are with "theories". There are good reasons for that stance, but one obvious one (should be obvious) is "what is there to discuss?" Not one person on this list knows any FACTS on this, so anything posted would be speculative and/or second-hand/third-hand/12th hand knowledge. Also..the one-liner replies on the topic (which all got sent in anyway): a) "is it true?" well, yeah...it's true b) "will she settle out of court?" How could ANYONE on this list know, and what's to discuss about it? c) "who's this Inga?" well.....her ex co-manager....like the reports say d) "how much is she being sued for?" like the article said....10 million When/if this goes to trial.....post away I say. For now...there is no reason to. No good reason anyway. > Regardless if >this is true or false, I have no doubt that he is now bound by certain >regulations imposed by Jewel’s management. Jewel's management does not own nor contribute financially to this list nor it's servers' owner. Heck, when I had the fundraiser to replace smoe.org's hardware last spring, as "door prizes" they sent me maybe 100$ worth of stuff to give away. They cannot and have not imposed a thing. More than a few times I refused something "Jewel's management" wanted/suggested....but of course more than a few times I've/we've co-operated...this IS a Jewel FAN list afterall. Jewel's management: Lenedra: I haven't t talked with her since Jewelstock....July 1996 Jewel: ditto Ex-co-manager Inga: I doubt she knew I (or previous list owner Jeff W) existed, and I am certain she knew little, if anything of this list. Bibi: Jewel's Creative Director.....we discuss things maybe once every two months.....she's not really management....she's worked for Jewel in various ways since I've known about Jewel. TWICE she's asked me to do something....announce the official Jewel web site when it debuted in November 1997, and announce some new items for sale on the web site last spring Alan/MrBB: once just 100% EDA (was on the list before he knew a soul on the J-team...actually his WIFE joined the list...he knew little of Jewel), now working for/with the J-team....now her official archivist and he's involved with the new web page in the same capacity he's been being "Mr Jewel news" on this list. Alan and I talk alot. We are practically blood brothers now. However.......... Not one list "regulation" has been implemented because of a request by any of the above. Some angelfood policies/requests were, afterall the exact material used in these cases were at times supplied by them. (i.e. They authorized usage of material for tape trees, as long as we don't distribute it in any digital format.....the biggest one here was the JewelStock tapes) The no "bootleg CD" policy is in effect simply because they are blatantly violating copyright laws. The no MP3 policy is in effect simply to keep Atlantic and the RIAA away from here, and to easily keep it under control on this list. (Jewel's management has NEVER requested anything to me in regards to MP3) However, also the "no bootleg" and "no MP3" policies are also in effect because of our (the lists') relationship with the J-team. They have and always have been our friends....I cannot in good conscious allow something that is basically illegal (bootlegs) and a highly controversial feeding ground for illegal activity (MP3s). It's simply the right thing to do. Mike - Jewel list owner (NOT a part of the J-team) - - * If you are new to the Jewel list and need a helping hand, * or have a burning question about Jewel and/or the list, * The Jewel/EveryDay Angels List Homepage & Guide is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup * Many basic/common Jewel and list questions can be answered there :-) * * If you can't find the answer on the page have any list related * questions, please feel free to email me at ducksoup@spectra.net * or you can IM me on either of the AOL names below: * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:18:56 EST From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Stuck-up, Bitchy Jewel new? I dont think so. As one of the people on this list who's been into Jewel from before she was at all famous or successful I find it necessary to point out that Jewel being: stuck-up, egotistical, selfish, bitchy, high on herself, etc etc etc, these things are not products of her fame. This is not "new Jewel." This is Jewel as she's always been. In fact, they are what I admire about her and what most heavily contributed to her becoming successful and famous in the first place. Jewel is BETTER than most people and she knows it. This is an extremely admirable and honest self-evaluation. She is more talented, smarter, more of an intellectual. and drop-dead gorgeous. Could a person like this not be conceited? Conceit, also, is a good thing, for conceit is nothing more than an extreme form of self-confidence. Those on this list who criticize her for her loftiness are just jealous. As a big fan of the philosphies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand I feel qualified to make a philosphical evaluation of this whole Jewel as superwoman concept. And, again, this is nothing new. Jewel was high on herself long before she was an MTV/Top 40 radio star. When she was still an opening act or performing smaller venues her live performances were most shocking to people because of the fact that this "folkie hippie girl with the blonde hair and high voice" all of a sudden would yell at fans to be quiet or start cursing like a truck-driver or sing more "explicit" songs like RacCar Driver and God's Gift to Women(which is on Save the Linoleum, which is from what, 1994? and contains lines like "Yes I have got nice tits"). So saying that she is conceited and "full of" herself and that this has something to do with her rise to stardom and fame is pretty much a mute point. I'll say it again. She was like that before she was successful and famous. That is a big part of what it was that MADE her successful and famous, her lofty I'm gonna make it no matter what because I'm that good attitude. If you don't think you are absolutely awesome and great and that people should love and adore you, well then you will never be awesome or great and you will never be loved or adored. Extreme levels of self-confidence are absolutely necessary to success, especially in an entertainment industry. I have a lot of problems with "post-fame" Jewel, but her haughtiness is certainly not one of them, if anything it tells me that she HAS NOT CHANGED much after all. Living on top of the mountain and looking down at the wretched mass of humanity that lies beneath oneself, for that I commend Jewel and anyone else who has the courage to realize that the world and especially our country is full of brianless sheep, head-nodding morons, and barely literate half-wits. To honestly compare yourself to that seething pool of lower humanity and see that you are genuinely above that and to WANT to be above that; now that is something that is worthy of our praise, not our ire. Yes it would be nice if she could be more down to earth and still talk to us after and before concerts and be all cool and chill. She used to be like that, sure. But she hasn't changed, her circumstances have. She used to be able to walk around a venue after her set and not even be recognized, now a days she would be mobbed and probably downright assaulted. This is not a defense of Jewel, the individual, for again, I do not know her. I just want to make it perfectly clear to everyone who thinks they are a long-time fan of Jewel and who is saying that she has changed that in actuality, she has not. This was always her, it was YOU who were refusing to see it. Later, Sean Hooks "Sometimes I do talk too much, because I find I'm more interesting than the people I'm talking to, and even they know that." - -Joseph Heller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:24:31 +0000 From: "Kevin J. Elliott" Subject: Re: ALMOST EVERYONE IN FRESNO HATES JEWEL!!!!!!!!! (except me!! > more. The more I learn about Jewel the more I think she is a hypocrite. > I find the whole thing very intresting though. I enjoy listening to her everyone's a hypocrite.. everyone.. me, you, everyone. It's called chanigng your mind or feeling different ways at different times. One of those beautiful flaws i mentioned in my last post. It's just that its so much easier to point out celebritie's flaws and hypocritical aspects because they are in the public light. (which btw. is in part, due to the general public. We are the ones who buy the albums.. we tune into the interviews..we perpetuate fame and celebrity status...even by debating or disagreeing) > experiance). What annoys me most is that Jewel, from my understanding, > is a humanist claiming that everybody is basically "good" and that we > are all products of our environments and that in order to be good we > must be surrounded in good. That is the biggest load of $Hitsu on > earth(there is lots of $hitsu on earth). Jewel is living proof that just > because you are raised in a beautiful environment doesnt mean you will > wind up a good person.lol I guess the only optimism I can have is that > she'll do some thinking and realize that all people are inheritly bad that's a belief. and don't get me wrong.. a perfectly valid one. It just sounded a little egocentric of you to use the word realize. I am not a humanist, but i also don't believe everyone is inherently bad. what am i supposed to realize.. that the way you believe is right? Please don't take offense to this.. i don't mean it to insult you. But i believe that people are initially a blank page...influenced by surroundings and interaction then able to think freely and change themselves if they so choose.. Am i right? no.. are you right? no... is jewel right? no... these are beliefs. There's nothing to realize other than the fact that we believe different things. >Absolute truth DOES exist. Even though we only have the ability to define it based on human perceptions. Absolute truth could be beyond our perceptions.. (which may explain many creation myths) I don't agree with everything Jewel says.. I still like her art. I'm still inspired by it.. Not all of it.. but a big chunk. It's so easy to judge.. but not to empathize. I choose to do neither. maybe she won't be as interactive with her fans as before (as someone else posted) and the reasons for that only jewel knows. we all can have good guesses, vastly different guesses..but how can we know for sure? we can't... Maybe money corrupts her.. maybe she is stressed...maybe more fans=more danger (one i believe...look at what happened to tori amos when she became too close to some of her fans... i wouldn't wish that on jewel or anyone), maybe she just wants to perform for herself right now. (like you've never done anything for yourselves). She has no obligation and i am thankful for how ever much Jewel shares with the public. It takes guts. what's my message? it's a response...a knee-jerk if you will... open for discussion, debate, or to ignore. -Kevin J. Elliott- http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/8370 -Last updated on 12/09/98- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:28:47 EST From: KSmith7507@aol.com Subject: EDA's Falling apart OK if some of you don't like jewel anymore and thinks she is a hypocrite then why are you still on the list? Her grandfather just died for gods sake. Maybe she is going through a bad time. Don't we all? Aren't we all hypocrites in one way or another? If you are truly a supporting fan give her the benefit of the doubt and just be patient time will tell what she is truly like. GO back watch old tapes of jewel reread her poetry and I think you will once again find that person we all look up to. ~Pshyco Angel~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:46:41 PST From: "Karen Boysen" Subject: Re: Angelfood Bank? Scott and fellow EDA's: Yes there are going to be new tapes offered by the AFB hopefully in the near future. The AFB members are now sending in their tapes for masters of Future Folklore 1 and 2, Jewel Rocks the Paradise, and Jeweltide Carols. The list will most likely be notified when they can obtain these tapes. If you have anymore questions on this let me know. Karen (Jay J. if i'm wrong please correct me!) We Are Everyday Angels - Jewel Kilcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:15:50 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB-Jewel AOL Chat 12/15 at 8pm Hi all, Jewel will be doing another live chat for AOL members next Tuesday night, December 15th. It will begin at 8pm EST. AOL folks can simply go to keyword: AOL LIVE & youre there. MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:06:10 -0700 (MST) From: Charlie Watkins Subject: Re: ALMOST EVERYONE IN FRESNO HATES JEWEL!!!!!!!!! (except me!!!) On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Diana Ruiz wrote: > > JEWEL: Do you know anything about me?!?! > CHARLIE: well, yes I do (nervously) > JEWEL: Then why are you asking me this?!?!?! > CHARLIE: Well, I'm asking you this for the listeners benefit. > JEWEL: The listeners know everything about my believe me?!?! > CHARLIE: Well, I'm sorry Jewel, I'm sorry if I've offended you in > anyway!! Jewel will have to get used to this. When the touring comes for the movie, she'll probably be seeing hundreds of reporters five minutes at a time. They'll all be asking the same tired, lame questions including the one above. This reminds me of an exchange between Lou Reed and an English reporter. the reporter asked "how long can you be a rock musician?" Reed: "If you take the word 'rock' out of the question you get..." Reporter: "How long can you be a musician?" Reed: "And the answer to that would be..." Reporter: "Forever". Reed: "Exactly. So there was no reason to ask the question, was there?" Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu http://members.aol.com/cwatkins/jerra.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:25:22 EST From: Puro1st@aol.com Subject: Recent EDA Jewel bashings Hello, The last few days have resulted in some interesting posts. I think it's always been a little taboo on this list to state any thoughts or comments that might cast Jewel in a negative light, hence the frequent "please don't flame me because I love you guys" statement commonly found in posts that don't even engage in (here's a twist on an old acronym) NJC (Negative Jewel Content). Personally I disagree with that, welcoming various points of view. I posted a few days ago about how I didn't find it that hard to believe that Jewel was a little catty with the Globe journalist because of some experiences a dear friend of mine had with Jewel. I later went on to say that Jewel had, in effect, lost the mystical place I held for her in my heart and head. Not so much because of her comments, or her recent public behavior, but more because it made me realize that she's just a person like you or me, and not the ethereal goddess of love, light and joy that I occasionally wanted her to be. We all need/want heroes after all. The response I got was fantastic. I only got 1 semi-flame that was actually pretty much incoherent and consisted of "We're JEWEL FANS DAMMIT!!!!!" so I didn't really count it. Anyway! Apparently a lot of people felt the same way I did. Others expressed that it helped them to see Jewel in a more realistic way. It helped me too. I realized after I hit SEND that I wrote it because I needed to vocalize it more for myself than for the person I was responding to. Damn, I can be so wordy sometimes. Please forgive my tendency to overwrite and express. ;-) Anyway, back to my point. I think it's safe to say, and even more so, it's natural to assume that Jewel is probably going through some major, MAJOR changes in her life, spirit, body and mind right now. A few years ago she was a nobody, in terms of fame anyways. Now she's an icon. She has responsibilities to her fans, her family, herself, her bank account and her label. Remember, she has to promote this album. I am not a music industry insider by any means, and have very little knowledge of how it all works. But I do know that she has a grueling work load in front of her for the next year. Put yourselves in her shoes and try to imagine what it must be like, even for a minute. Add on top of that her age. Remember what it feels like to grow into your body and mind, to have your youthful idealism smashed, or in the best case, altered, by lifes hard reality. Remember the changes that come from that. Remember how often you felt super strongly about one thing, and two months later you had switched to a new obsession or cause. Remember how easy it is for you to have mood swings and be Jesus Christ one day and the Anti-Christ the other. In short, cut the girl some slack. Remember why you fell in love with her. It was probably because of her voice, message, (breasts for some I daresay) innocence, whatever, it doesn't matter...we don't REALLY know this person. She just has this annoying habit of inspiring something deep down inside us that keeps bringing us back for more. I can see how some might think/say the end is upon us for our sweet little Jewel; her innocence is gone, money and fame is the modus operandi, that she's a super superstar now and doesn't have time for the little people who helped put her there. But I think it's just a natural step in her maturity process. Give her a few years, let the girl absorb what's happened to her and find a way to cope with her professional responsibilities and her personal feelings. I know some people are going to be disappointed and even angry that this person who, for those of us who have had her on a pedestal, isn't the poster girl for humanity that we thought she was. Before I take my leave, if you're still with me that is, I should make it clear that I'm not trying to "stick up" for Jewel. I'm a firm believer that people should be allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them. I would just hate to see people get so turned off by the things they hear or read about in regards to her "misbehavior" that they would deny themselves the pleasure I know *I* get by listening to Jewel. In closing: You make mistakes, I make mistakes, Jewel makes mistakes. She's a human being, better than most I suspect, and we shouldn't place the burden of goodness on her shoulders, we should place it on our own. Neil - ------------------------- ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #696 ***************************