From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #546 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, October 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 546 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: Jerra's Unofficial web page - tape offer [Charlie Watkins ] I heard Hands! Glory be! [Jesse A McDonald ] Why Jewel Is Special [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] sound of hands [Sam Michael Megally ] I FINALLY HEARD "HANDS"!!!!!! [lklecanda@juno.com (Lisa A Klecanda)] Re: sound of hands [Jesse A McDonald ] more posts about the unmoderated period - all in one [Mike Connell Subject: NJC: Jerra's Unofficial web page - tape offer Just wanted to thank those people who have stopped by my web page for Jerra ("the acoustic rock-poet"). Also, I'd like to offer five lucky and conscientious people a dub of Jerra's demo tape "Good Times?". There are a couple of catches. One, you have to go to my website http://members.aol.com/cwatkins/jerra.htm and email me at the address there. And, you have to commit to making up to 5 copies for others that may be interested. It is a five song demo tape, about 20 minutes long. Yes, it's a tape tree, but it will be more like a shrub until I can gauge the interest. I will devide those who respond into two groups, branches and leaves. Branches will have had experience as a branch before and get a first generation dub. If people are nice and this goes well, I may expand it. To summarize: 1. DON'T reply to jewel@smoe.org 2. DON'T reply to my address here 3. DO visit my website and email me at the address there, then I'll tell you how to get it. http://members.aol.com/cwatkins/jerra.htm Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu http://members.aol.com/cwatkins/jerra.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:57:44 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Jewel's next video and the art of videos in general Just wanted to comment. Jewel's next video for hands. Hopefully it's good. The music video is basically just a big commercial but occasionally they are done very well and are quite artful. One of the biggest things a video can do to enhance its artistic value is to remove the artist from the video. The most innovative and creative videos that I've seen in the last year or so have generally not featured the artists performing the song in the video. Pearl Jam's "Do the Evolution," many of Tool's videos, and Prodigy's"Smack My Bitch Up"(which despite objections people may have to the song's mysogyny, the video is very artful and creative and original. Jewel will prob'ly have a tough time convincing her record company to ever let her not appear in her videos because after all she is physcially pleasing and her looks help sell her product. But if you have to appear in the video, do it well, as evidenced by U2's new video for "Sweetest Thing" and don't do it poorly like the new Alannis Morisette video for "Thank You," god that's awful. As for Jewel's previous efforts she's yet to do anything really memorable. WWSYS was typical, an average video, I like seeing it now though because it makes me think of old Jewel, so young looking, strumming an acoustic guitar, with brownish hair even. The original YWMFM video was kinda cool and I liked Penn's direction. The super popular one with Poltz contained attempts to be artful, the blue motif and such, but leaned a bit too far towards shots of Jewel trying(and succeeding somewhat) to look sexy. And Foolish Games was just flat out pretentious. Anyway, those are my comments. Take 'em or leave 'em. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:25:11 EDT From: JewelEDA21@aol.com Subject: BONUS song on SPIRIT JAPAN? Hey all! Its SEB! and Im in Boston...anyhoo, at SIRENCD.com, under Jewel it says the following: ~*~*~*~*~* Jewel "Spirit" $28.99 Japanese new release to include a bonus song. ~*~*~*~*~* Alan...Mike..Anyone?? Thanks, Seb =) http://members.aol.com/JewelEDA21/tapesAI.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:44:44 PDT From: "Eliot Lemoncelli" Subject: [none] Hi everybody, I have two things to say. I have been mailing a local DJ Named Nukki Knight in my hometown of Orlando. Doing this has caused a few problems because the posts I have sent her I keep accidently sending back to Mr. BB as well and I just want to publicly say "I am sorry" and that "I think I have solved the problem" so it won't happen again. Also I got the post from Mr. BB that contained the lyrics to "Hands" I just heard it on the radio and I like it even more now that I have a clue what Jewel is saying. The radio station were Nikki Night works is called XL 106.7. If any body is interested here is their address www.wxxl.com/ If you want to see Nikki Night's page go to wxxl.com/altstat.htm It has a little bio and everything. Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:21:43 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: I heard Hands! Glory be! Yeah, I heard it. Not on the radio... I'm allergic to commercial radio, so even if C100 or anything had a promo, I wouldn't know. I heard it in RealAudio from... someone's page... nice memory, Jesse. Anyway, I heard it and... my first instinct is to say that I thought it sucked. That's not fair. There was one moment where I got a good spinal shiver... and there was SOMEthing that I liked about the whole song... BUT I think I may have been forcing myself to like it because it was Jewel. There was nothing special about that song. It was top 40 radio. I couldn't hear very well (RealAudio is no substitute for real audio), but I could swear that WAS a drum machine. The groove was pretty dope, I must say, but overall...I hope this isn't a preview of the whol Spirit album, because I don't want to spend all that money ordering it (on vinyl) if I'm not going to like it. I'm sorry I didn't like it, everyone, no disrespect. Lates. | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:53:35 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Why Jewel Is Special At lunch today, I was thinking about Jewel and how she truly was a special person. The thing is everyone has brought up her secret past experiences, such as drugs and sex and blah blah blah blah... And I remember how much that slapped me in the face. I always thought Jewel was very intelligent, open- minded, caring, and pure. The last one was ruined with that comment. But, then I got to realizing, one word to sum up Jewel is "wise". She is a very intelligent person and while 24 seems very old to me, it's actually very young and most people her age have not had time to analyze and explore the world and understand it so well. Jewel has always been against prejudice and against hatred against any kind. "If I could tell the world just one thing it'd be that we're all okay...". I mean, that is so sweet. Even people who I might consider "evil" or unhumane are okay, I suppose. The thing is Jewel uses her power of being in the media's eye very well. Instead of just spewing out negative lyrics, she enforces posivity into people. Whether she's telling people they're never alone and they have an angel standing by, or if she's singing songs about how bad drug addiction is without saying "Don't do drugs" but giving an example of how it's a "forest fire" or that addicted people are "zombies in a body". Now some might say Jewel is a hypocrit because she might have done drugs or drank alcohol before, but the thing is -- whether or not what she did, she still enforces values into people, even if she once didn't obey her own lessons. We can't be angry at her for ever doing something we don't agree with because she is telling the world that you don't need drugs or alcohol or even sex to be important (although many of Jewel's songs are open about her being sexually active -- not just songs like Need A Piece of Your Love Machinery or Race Car Driver but even ballads like Stranger Enter From the East -- yet she still writes poems like "Sara Said"). She's just a very good person and that is why she is so special. Because she's so smart and open-minded, even if she's not always going to be nice and sweet to everybody or even if she cusses every now and then or does things which seem unlike her. The intelligent that lies in her is the important thing. I sort of have observed that Jewel can sort of be cold to people she meets, and a lot of musicians at the Lilith Fair took this personally. But Jewel just isn't the type to try to make people smile in conversation, she's the type to use her music to express her thoughts on the world. I think that is truly cool of her and I hope that anyone who ever doubts her realizes that she is very wise beyond her years and if everyone in the world had the same values as her, we'd live in a beautiful society. By the way, I still think "Hands" is her best song -- even better than my old favorite which I won't name because I don't want anyone claiming it as their new favorite -- but anyway, I claim "Hands" as MY song before it gets too mainstream. If you don't like how it sounds, then good. Because the less people who like it are the less people checking out my song. If that didn't make sense, don't worry -- you're not going crazy, I am. - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:55:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Michael Megally Subject: sound of hands eda's well, i know that everyone has their opinion and that i'll be called a jewel-worshipper for this, because it's happened to me before when i stood up for jewel against the overzealous critics, but here goes again, because i never learn my lesson: some people have been criticizing jewel and calling her a sellout because hands is more extensively produced, because the producer on this album also produced (what? like a prayer?) madonna before, and i've even seen critcism due to the fact that the whole album was recorded in a studio as opposed to live (like some of poy). well, i don't know if all of you are musicians and can judge the quality of music, let alone gods who can judge what is in an artist's heart, but i wonder if any of you ever stopped to think that maybe spirit is more like jewel than poy was. maybe when she first got signed and she had a budget of like $3, poy was the best she could do. and sure we all liked it, and sure the grammies liked it, but if this is true to jewel, then this is what we should appreciate. she gave music a break a while back because she was burned out and i'm sure she felt creatively stifled. well, we all whine when atlantic makes jewel make a decision about something, so why should we tie jewel to our personal tastes and predjudices? maybe having such a bunch of anal and demanding fans is a bit creatively stifling. if you only like jewel because of her catchy songs, then that's fine. many of my friends do not like jewel, per se', but love fg, ywmfm, and wwsys. if you have learned something on this list and you like jewel because she is jewel and an eda and you have learned to love her beautiful soul, then continue to support her because her success is the success of eda's everywhere. and, if you like all music and you think the change is good, continue to enjoy jewel's lovely voice. but please, don't anyone call her a sellout or fake, because you can't know what jewel kilcher, age 16, dreamed about when she dreamed about music. later... sam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:49:37 -0400 From: lklecanda@juno.com (Lisa A Klecanda) Subject: I FINALLY HEARD "HANDS"!!!!!! Hi, EDAs! I finally heard "Hands"!! It played on Lite 98.7 WLZW. Needless to say it's an AWSOME song!! I really like it a lot. If this sais anything about the album, it'll be awsome! For those who haven't yet heard it, don't worry. You will soon! (\o/) Lisa /_\ The Short Angel She may be small, but she is strong. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:30:23 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: sound of hands > some people have been criticizing jewel and calling her a sellout I don't remember anyone calling her a sellout, exactly... > because hands is more extensively produced, because the producer on this > album also produced (what? like a prayer?) madonna before, and i've even > seen critcism due to the fact that the whole album was recorded in a > studio as opposed to live (like some of poy). well, i don't know if all There's nothing wrong with artful, intricate, layered production... as long as the end result doesn't suffer for being covered in too thick a sheen of slick gloss. It seems to me that Hands has suffered. But then, I haven't heard a terribly good reproduction of it. It was too loud, it broke up a lot. > of you are musicians and can judge the quality of music, let alone gods Well I AM a musician, but I don't use my knowledge of music theory to tell me whether a song is any good or not. Of course Hands was flawless... every instrument in tune, every note in key. The session players probably had click tracks to help them keep perfectly in synch. It just didn't sound beautiful. I just didn't feel like Jewel was singing to my heart, the way she used to. That's not because I'm a musician. > who can judge what is in an artist's heart, but i wonder if any of you Strangers, by Portishead: "Did you realise no-one can see inside your view? Did you realise the world inside belongs to you?" I take that to heart. Of course one can't know another's innermost thoughts. > ever stopped to think that maybe spirit is more like jewel than poy was. No-one's heard spirit yet. > maybe when she first got signed and she had a budget of like $3, poy was > the best she could do. and sure we all liked it, and sure the grammies The grammies didn't like POY, the grammies liked Foolish Games. Not the POY version, but the slickly produced, platinum hit style single version. The grammies are not human, the grammies are a soulless corporate machine. > bunch of anal and demanding fans is a bit creatively stifling. if you > only like jewel because of her catchy songs, then that's fine. many of my > friends do not like jewel, per se', but love fg, ywmfm, and wwsys. if Sure it's FINE, but it's beside the point. I'm not caught up in catchy, top-40 style musicianship. I want to be made to CRY. Well as little as I like this progression in Jewel's sound, it's not making me cry. > you have learned something on this list and you like jewel because she > is jewel and an eda and you have learned to love her beautiful soul, then I love everyone's beautiful soul, I'm just not feeling hers when I listen to Hands. Of course, that was one listen... but she was quick to get me the first time. Painters had me crying before I even heard it, just reading the lyrics. > continue to support her because her success is the success of eda's Oh yeah, glory be. > everywhere. and, if you like all music and you think the change is good, > continue to enjoy jewel's lovely voice. but please, don't anyone call > her a sellout or fake, because you can't know what jewel kilcher, age > 16, dreamed about when she dreamed about music. later... I don't listen to Jewel's music for Jewel's sake. She's not Tinkerbell and she doesn't need my applause in order to survive. I felt very in tune with the songs recorded on Pieces Of You, and Hands leaves me cold. I'm disappointed. I didn't call her a sell-out, that's a very harsh term. But it is my opinion that the gloss of this single is a marketing tactic. It's not quite as bad as the reinvented Courtney Love, but... ah, I don't know. Maybe in Jewel's heart of hearts, she wants to be a generic-sounding pop singer, and the brilliant, creative artist thing was just a phase. I don't know. The notion makes me sad, though. | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:53:40 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: more posts about the unmoderated period - all in one Here's what seems to be the last two posts about the unmoderated period we had on Sunday. Mike :-) ********** From: kristin Subject: KRISTINS OPINION - MODERATION (is the key?) Everyone's probably feeling all cozy and fuzzy inside now that Mike's back and we're safe from everyones harsh, hurtfull true opinions so I feel it's safe for me to post. I'll try to keep this short and sweet. We all appreciate Mike now, we all respect him, he's the "Omnipotent Being" of the EDA's but what did this teach you? It taught me that there's people out there with opinions that are being silenced by moderation. Sure, some people took it too far and I don't honestly believe that a list of 1700 people could survive without someone like Mike, but some valid opinions are being sensored because of the size of the list. I sense that some of the list veterans, people we never want to loose because they are the key to the history of EDA's, are loosing interest in the list. DIDN'T BEING AN EDA USED TO MEAN SOMETHING SPECIAL? I don't get that feeling anymore. Some opinions aren't allowed to be expressed. Some discussions are terminated before they begin, and the most interesting people on the list no longer have the desire to be a part of the list. There's rarely any discussion anymore as to worthwhile projects, EDA gatherings, and I read EVERY POST and post pretty often, and still have made very few friends on the list. as far as moderation goes I think lee (NiKoS12) said it best with the analogy "It's just like when I was a kid and my dad bought me my first gum in a tube ... I was just so overwhelmed that I squeezed the whole tube into my youthful mouth ... I think if we give it time, we will all settle down, and start being able to eat the gum in a tube a little at a time" If you look at the situation we've been moderated since the day I joined a year ago, so the freedom of posting ANYTHING we wanted for ONLY 24 HOURS (THEN BACK TO CAPTIVITY, so to speak) made some people go a little crazy. As far as the list goes, we need to recapture a bit of positive "Spirit" here. (maybe the album title wasn't so bad after all) WE AREN'T A JUST A MAILING LIST, OR A FAN CLUB, WE'RE EVERY DAY ANGELS I don't know about everyone else, but I'd like to stay that way. Kristin *The ^UP^ Angel in a Down World* ********** From: "alex smith" Subject: Take a step back Hey folks, OK this is my first post so bear with me. You lot need to take a good hard look at yourself, the crap that has been going on over the last couple of months has eventually got to me. I was under the impression when I signed up for this list it was a bunch of people with a common interest getting to gather and having fun. Well seems i was wrong. Some people have put alot of work into this list, while others seem to abuse it. What ever happened to the days of swapping angle food and sheet music, them were the days hun. Now i find this list depressing the way alot of people are either bitching about each other or worse putting jewel down. So take a good look at yourselves. Maybe we should change the meaning of EDA EVIL DEPRESSING A**HOLES what do u think sounds good hay. A very blue angle AL ********** ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #546 ***************************