From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #544 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, October 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 544 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Various posts about the unmoderated period - all in one post [Mike Connel] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:24:40 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Various posts about the unmoderated period - all in one post Hi folks :-) Overnight, some more posts came in about the unmoderated period on this list that occured over the weekend. Rather than send them all on to the list individually, I've decided to put them all into mass emails and send them on to the list digest style (see below) . I do this from time to time when a thread of basically NJC posts occur....it makes it easier on most folks. If more similar posts on this topic come in, I may do this again. (an all-in-one post) Mike :-) **************** From: Twinkle Taffy Subject: Re: NJC: a friendly plea Hey Angels, I know people will be getting sick of these posts, but I just couldn't stand back. To Mike, I just wanted to say you are a truly beautiful person who I admire because you put up with so much nastiness for something that you are selflessly doing. I know that will make people want to hurl but there it is. Also Jewel Kilcher is not perfect. She has never claimed to be perfect. She is in fact one of the most humble musician/poet I have come across. I do not think she is perfect how ever. I do not covet her in anyway *but* having said that the reason I respect her so greatly is because she stands for everything I believe in. I really hope that the angels on this list will respect any other angel's motivation or reason for liking Jewel though. After all you don't have to agree. yet you don't have to flame either. If you don't happen to agree why not just delete the message? Sounds pretty cool to me. I too love this list because it is such a warm and friendly place. Little did I know that without censorship it wouldn't be. Sure not eveyone willa gree on things, but tolerance is always a good thing :) Anyway I'm not perfect by any means, and I'm not trying to say that you aren't beautiful people, It'd just be nice to see that tolerance back again :) Lots of lvoe and Faery hugs Jodie The Watercolour Stain Angel aka The angel who's got herself some big tests and is totally incoherent right now **************** From: EKC92283@aol.com Subject: unmoderated stuff..... w/e no doubt i am going to get screamed at for this, but i find this whole affair quite humorus. its so funny, really. i must confess, i dont always read all of the posts. i am guilty of deleting a bunch of them based on the subject line, but today i've been reading them all. some of this stuff is the kind of stuff that people see and think "who really gives a fuck??" ya know? as someone else mentioned before, i think it's good for us to be unmoderated once and a while. the only problem is that we're told we have 48 hours to say whatever the hell we want and we go a little crazy. not that i really mind it, except for the fact that i get a lot more mail than im used to. anyways, this is actually kind of a pointless email, i just figured that i would post for once...... erin the lovesick angel "get over it" - the eagles **************** Subject: *READ THIS IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF AN ANGEL!* From: sesykes@juno.com (Shock Jock) I've watched people bashing, sexuality bashing and music bashing for 24 hours and that was 24 hours too long! Remember what this list is about? Jewel and the people who love her music! You know, there was so much hate on this list that i thought it was a KKK list. It was almost pathetic to say i'm associated with some of you and even friends with some of you! When i first joined list i felt so much from you all that i wrote the list publicly and said so. I know the Angels are dying breed (at least in my eyes they are!) Maybe there are a few left out there but i don't see them! I don't condone nor detest what any person says or does on this list because i don't know the full story! For example, for the with Maxmouse and angeljb, i don't know the story so i can't judge. But i think if she had reason enough to say something to that extent then it might have been necessary, i don't know any neither do any other person except for the 2! And the one thing that no one on this list should have the power or would want to do is bash on mike or MrBB when the list is down. You guys didn't do it in so many words but you guys did! I feel that we should all bow down before them, they make this list possible! I have talked with both of them just a little bit and from i know, they are both true Angels which i truly respect and can call a friend! One more reminder... : \ / : -- o -- : / \ : .---. .---. : / \ @ / \ : / / / \( ) / \ \ \ : ////// / ' ` --\\\\ : / / / / : : --\ \ \ \ : // / / / /` \ --\\ \ \\ : / / / / / / . . . \ \ \ \ \ \ We are everyday angels. :) thanks for the Angel Mike! ** Scott S.** -Big Sexy Angel **************** From: Vicky Subject: Re: Larry said it best! I was really touched by this post of Mary H Nguyen. I've always been a Jewel fan not only because her music moves me but also because she's such an inspiration and role model for young girls like me. I don't see Jewel as the perfect figure that walks on the earth and workship her like she's a goddess or something. Neither do i mind or care if others love her to the extreme extent that's crazy. But it's people like Mary H Nguven reminds me of why i became an EDA in the first place and restored my faith on this list. Thank you, Mary H Nguyen. - -Vicky the taiwanese angel Mary H Nguyen wrote: > Fellow EDAs, > I think Larry Greenfield said it best when he quoted jewel saying "In > the end only kindness matters." Although I have always been a fan of the > first amendment I've found the past 24 hours of posts rather > disheartening. I've always found this list to be a sort of home, a > comfort zone. After the my parents got a divorce a couple of years ago I > was the biggest cynic in the world. By some miracle I also found the > Jewel list that same year. Through this list I have been the beneficiary > of countless of kind EDAs who have supplied me with angelfood and > kindness (thank you Jen for being my EDA parent), and even a place to > sleep on one occasion(Thank you Mandy in SD). > I've tried to return such generosity by dubbing hundreds of tapes for my > fellow EDAs and on one occasion I even let someone stayed with me for a > couple of days when they couldn't find a hotel. > This list had restored my faith that there are kind people out there. > I've brought this new found faith with me to my new law school this year. > Some people on this campus called me too naive at first because I would > always preach about being kind and being each others every day angels. > Within the last 2 months I've proven my fellow students wrong by heading > up various fundraising activities for the homeless and those who cannot > afford legal representation. What I am trying to say is that if all of > these law students (who are at times very cynical) can see the good in > people then I think everybody can. > I don't know Jewel and I never will so I cannot say that I "love" her > but I do thank her for what she has done for me and countless of other > people. I would like to thank Jen for incorporating me into the EDA > family. I would like to thank Tal for being there when I needed someone > to talk to. But most of all I thank YOU guys for your kindness. Take > care my angels- > > Mary > wannabe angel :) **************** From: Kim Lees Subject: The Past 24 Hours Hi Angels, now we're *kinda* getting back to normal I just wanna apologise for all the stupid things I said while we were unmoderated... as most of us did, I took full advantage of the situation and posted stuff I would never have dreamt of posting under normal conditions, causing Mike a lot of extra stress which he didn't need... I think this post speaks for pretty much everyone who sent stuff during the time... I guess it's just a terrible aspect of human nature... somebody mentioned "Lord Of The Flies" and I think that's an accurate description of what the situation became (for anyone who hasn't read it, read it - it teaches a valuable lesson about human nature) I don't know how you manage to put up with it all, Mike, cos I know I definitely couldn't... maybe there's someone else who could help you out moderating the list cos the EDA's mean too much to be ruined by people like me over the course of 24 hours... Kim Lees Your New Zealand Angel Standing By **************** From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: OK, the Jewel list is moderated again :-) >> Mike Connell writes: >I won't comment on the last 22 hours right now. I'll post some night this >week about a few things. I'll need time to put a meaningful post together. I can't help but imagine how disappointed Prometheus (Greek myth - look it up if you don't understand the reference) would have been if, after giving fire to mortals, they did nothing more with it than sit around and light farts. I'm very disappointed with the "lowest common denominator" effect that happened once the list went unmoderated. I think we've all proven ourselves incapable of handling that much "freedom". Kevin **************** From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: SJC: I can't believe it Whoah... I missed the whole thing with the unmoderated thing but my mailbox got FLOODED... thanks a LOT... my ISP is pissed at me (well it's only computer pissed, it's okay) and I've been through this little compressed emotional roller coaster... only it wasn't a very good one, it only had angry, miserable and disgusted. Valuable lessons learned: 1 - Mike Connell is very valuable. You have no idea how much more crap you would have all had to put up with from me if not for this dude. ^_^ 2 - We really are only "EveryDay" angels... flawed. Don't be too disillusioned from the junk posted, we're all just humans. A few quick notes left over from the deluge... 1 - Don't decide that EDAs suck just because a bunch of posts suck. Everyday! 2 - "Tangerine lips & lily white breasts, inside these things humanity rests" Inside lips are words, inside breasts are hearts. That's where you get humanity, right? Okay, so the "lily-white" thing is a little naive... she was raised in Alaska. 3 - Nancy Nguyen killed my dog! She broke into my house and killed my dog! Let's get her! (um... word) 4 - RAs are bigger than MP3s and never similar quality. 5 - With the Padres at the World Series, Jewel is not the obvious choice to sing the national anthem - Steve Poltz is. Thanks, and um... keep it moderate! ^_^ | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | **************** From: "Francois Cartegnie" Subject: NJC : The Nancy N'Guyen Case ? I read some post about this, but I missed the firsts ones. So, seems that some people have trouble with a trade and so, is it the Nancy N'Guyen that gives an address in San Jose, CA ? Cos I've also sent a european album for a trade and still waiting for her, for at least, replying me. She got 2 e-mail but NEVER replies. Francois Cartegnie, France E.D.A & DueSer **************** - - * If you are new to the Jewel list and need a helping hand, * or have a burning question about Jewel and/or the list, * The Jewel/EveryDay Angels List Homepage & Guide is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup * Many basic Jewel and list questions can be answered there :-) * * If you can't find the answer on the page have any list related * questions, please feel free to email me at ducksoup@spectra.net * or you can IM me on either of the AOL names below: * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #544 ***************************