From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #531 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, October 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 531 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jewel-News: Press Release on Jewel's thoughts [JonBoy911@aol.com] Please Read!!! [joe ] mike's lil nervous breakdown... [NiKoS12@aol.com] An ode to mike [CybrPsco15@aol.com] Wow, I am gonna post all my aggressions now (No Offense Mike, I love ya) [Lora Browne Subject: Please Read!!! I'm sitting here, thinking about a lot of things after Mike's post about the unmoderation of the list. I wish I could type as fast as I think, but unfortunately, I cannot. I promised myself that I would not post during this 48 hour period, but now I find myself so incredibly disgusted by the posts I've read in the past 45 minutes, that I cannot contine to hold back my thoughts. I'm very sorry, and I appologize to every list member for posting this. I just thought I'd remind everyone that I am an EveryDay Angel, and the behavior exhibited within the past 45 minutes (who knows whats to come in the next 47 hours, 15 minutes) is doing me a serious injustice. Just about everything I stand for and represent has been demolished or bashed in the past 45 minutes. Just about 5 minutes ago I read a post that almost knocked me off of my chair, and I was typing a reply to it when I decided...no...i'm not going to do this, but now...here i am, and the message I just read will not be tolerated by me. When we start telling our fellow EDA's to FUCK OFF, I have a serious problem. When we 'test the water' just to see if we can do it....we have a serious problem...when 5 minutes after the list goes unmoderated, we get messages like 'when is my homework due'...we have a serious problem. Already, in 45 minutes a serious point has been proven. We CANNOT handle ourselves. We don't need 48 hours...we've destroyed everything we claim that we stand for in 45 minutes. How about that...and we dare call ourselves everyday angels? There have been a few times in the past few years that I have really thought about leaving the list, and again, this is another one of those times. I keep telling myself that it'll get better, it'll be different. I guess its time for me to realize that things aren't going to change. Maybe its time to leave... God bless you all.... joe - -------------------------------------------------------- {\o/} "We are EveryDay Angels..be careful with me, /_\ cuz I'd like to stay that way" - Jewel Kilcher Joe Field, 203 N. Park St., Sturgis, MI 49091 Phone: (616)651-4875 Beep: (616)390-0951 Primary E-Mail: joe@inetplus.net Secondary E-Mail: joe_728@hotmail.com AOL Instant Message: psyfly18 ICQ Account #: 19750428 Yahoo Pager: joeinetplusnet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:02:36 EDT From: NiKoS12@aol.com Subject: mike's lil nervous breakdown... I don't really know if this is technically a nervous breakdown, but hell, I'll call it what I want. I just want to say that the majority of you EDA's are stupid ignorant babies. WHA WHA WHA....Jewel's a busy woman and there is no way she can be expected to satisfy your "insashable needs." Why are you all complaining about Hands. "It's too produced..etc. ect" If you don't like it, tough, I don't care, tell it to your pillow not me or the list. I have my own problems and don't give a hoot about yours, you dumbasses. I really hate all those stupid little posts from all you newbies..."hi I am new, what's angelfood blah blah blah!" If I were moderator of this list, I would have quit a loooong time ago. I think we should start paying Mike for babysitting us, because that;s what you guys act like. I used to love this list, now, at the most, I tolerate it, ugh, I don't know why I am still even on this list.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:04:53 EDT From: CybrPsco15@aol.com Subject: An ode to mike Guys, I have trouble reading all my mail, much less revise them, check them, and get all of the what they say. But one man, one Duck man, reads nearly 100 messages a day at least, sees which ones we sould get, and gets us one of the best damn lists on the web. He gets no cash, and no real compinsation, so i think that we should thank a man that wants us to be able to share our opinions about Jewel, and other good stuff, so I think for Chistmas or another Holiday, some of us can give him a gift for bringing us so much fun. MIKE ROCKS George of the Jungle The Ska Punk Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:03:01 -0700 From: Lora Browne Subject: Wow, I am gonna post all my aggressions now (No Offense Mike, I love ya) Ok kids, recently it's been like the only opinion you can have here is "Jool Rules" and no "Jool Drools". Welp, here we go with all my agressions towards you and Jewel. 1. You treat Jewel like a queen, some goddess from another part of space or something, *bing* she's not, actually she's just like you, pretending to be bigger. 2. You guys want another album of Steve Poltz's work? Try 'Pieces Of You' that whole album is based on Steve's works, you want to listen to a real musician, with real cases of feelings and insecurities? Listen to Poltzy! 3. You flame me for saying that Jewel writes nothing like Bukowski. Well, you know, does anyone write like anyone but themselves first off, and secondly, I don't think Jewel ever would write a book called "Erections, Ejaculations, Exhibitions, and General Tales of Ordinary Madness" or "Love is a Dog From Hell" or how bout my favorite "All the assholes in the world and mine". Oh delight! 4. It troubles me, you don't like a song because of it's quality, but, because it's Jewel! Give me a break, this new song is over produced, and sounds like she is Natalie Imbruglia. (Sorry Natalie) Jewel needs to find her own sound! 5. If you think I listen to flames I get about "You suck, Jewel rules" Well think again, I feel like I am one of the list members on here who feels this way and will actually come forward and speak my mind on everyone, and everything involving Jewel. 6. I know, I know, it seems like I wish Jewel a horrible death yes? Oh but how untrue. I used to love Jewel, not to the extent of giving her my left breast, but I liked her a lot, I loved her, her music. But now, to me, she seems...how do I put this? About as fake as Pamela Lee Anderson. From her books, her movie carreer, and her lyrics she is producing just to make a new album. Fake with a capital 'J'. 7. Even though I really don't take your flames to heart, I do enjoy reading them, if it really bugs you what I post....then well, it must be having some effect, how nice. Well, ciao, I know you enjoyed my lovely, yet truthful post. It's me, I'm here, I'm being real. Loving ya long time till I split open and melt, Lora :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:05:52 EDT From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: NJC: Let's Surprise the Big Wakka-Nut... *** Mike, the Jewel list owner, wrote: <> Okay folks, obviously Mike has recently caught some sh*t and is unhappy with something. I've known him for over two years, and understand how seriously he takes this list and the responsibility of it. So, although I have been lurking for quite awhile, I have one simple request of all of you: Behave and play nice with Mike (or the big bad Harris will kick your little angel butts!) :-) Seriously, Mike has given so much to this list that it (and all subscribed to it) OWES him enough respect and gratitude to not take advantage of this so- called "window" of opportunity for unmoderated posting. If you've got to post off-topic, instead of proving his point for him, publically thank the silly bast*rd for all his efforts! Dennis, who understands the phenomenon of "brain farts" all too well... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:13:33 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: FREEDOM!!!! YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Just wanted to borrow a line from Rage Against the Machine as the heading of this email. Unmoderation. The Bastille Day of the Jewel list(for 24 hours anyway). Mike has proven himself to me to be a great list manager and truly dedicated worker. My respect and admiration for the immense amount of volunteer work he does to maintain this list never fails to amaze me. That said Mike is reactionary at times and a bit extreme. He has been so in his personal dealings with me anyway. Oh, and he's right, be cool to Mr. BB, he is an EXTREMELY valuable resource that any true fan of Jewel would be a fool to alienate. But Mike reminds me of a line from the movie Midnight Run when Grodin says to DeNiro, "You have two forms of expression, silence and rage." This unmiterated freedom and unmoderation is a gambit by Mike trying to prove his point. His point is that most people on the list are immature and will abuse their newly given freedom. Let us please not do that and instead use this wonderful opportunity to discuss a variety of "forbidden" issues. Everything from bootleg CDs and the open trading and selling and buying of them on this list to how RaceCar Driver contains the blatantly sexually explicit lyrics about semen and testicles and how anyone who fails to realize this is a sheltered and repressed person who needs to realize that sexuality is not dirty or bad but instead is beautiful. Let us not be stupid and give Mike what he wants. Let's try to be somewhat intelligent and use this freedom for progress and not regression. I doubt that this will happen because of the WAY in which we were given our freedom. Presentation and context are very important things. What's so great about filet mignon and fine wine if it's served on a grime-covered garbage can lid? Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:14:17 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Mike's attempt to prove a point Just wanted to borrow a line from Rage Against the Machine as the heading of this email. Unmoderation. The Bastille Day of the Jewel list(for 24 hours anyway). Mike has proven himself to me to be a great list manager and truly dedicated worker. My respect and admiration for the immense amount of volunteer work he does to maintain this list never fails to amaze me. That said Mike is reactionary at times and a bit extreme. He has been so in his personal dealings with me anyway. Oh, and he's right, be cool to Mr. BB, he is an EXTREMELY valuable resource that any true fan of Jewel would be a fool to alienate. But Mike reminds me of a line from the movie Midnight Run when Grodin says to DeNiro, "You have two forms of expression, silence and rage." This unmiterated freedom and unmoderation is a gambit by Mike trying to prove his point. His point is that most people on the list are immature and will abuse their newly given freedom. Let us please not do that and instead use this wonderful opportunity to discuss a variety of "forbidden" issues. Everything from bootleg CDs and the open trading and selling and buying of them on this list to how RaceCar Driver contains the blatantly sexually explicit lyrics about semen and testicles and how anyone who fails to realize this is a sheltered and repressed person who needs to realize that sexuality is not dirty or bad but instead is beautiful. Let us not be stupid and give Mike what he wants. Let's try to be somewhat intelligent and use this freedom for progress and not regression. I doubt that this will happen because of the WAY in which we were given our freedom. Presentation and context are very important things. What's so great about filet mignon and fine wine if it's served on a grime-covered garbage can lid? Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:16:53 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Race Car Driver lyrics refer to Semen and Testicles. Sexual repression is bad. Just wanted to borrow a line from Rage Against the Machine as the heading of this email. Unmoderation. The Bastille Day of the Jewel list(for 24 hours anyway). Mike has proven himself to me to be a great list manager and truly dedicated worker. My respect and admiration for the immense amount of volunteer work he does to maintain this list never fails to amaze me. That said Mike is reactionary at times and a bit extreme. He has been so in his personal dealings with me anyway. Oh, and he's right, be cool to Mr. BB, he is an EXTREMELY valuable resource that any true fan of Jewel would be a fool to alienate. But Mike reminds me of a line from the movie Midnight Run when Grodin says to DeNiro, "You have two forms of expression, silence and rage." This unmiterated freedom and unmoderation is a gambit by Mike trying to prove his point. His point is that most people on the list are immature and will abuse their newly given freedom. Let us please not do that and instead use this wonderful opportunity to discuss a variety of "forbidden" issues. Everything from bootleg CDs and the open trading and selling and buying of them on this list to how RaceCar Driver contains the blatantly sexually explicit lyrics about semen and testicles and how anyone who fails to realize this is a sheltered and repressed person who needs to realize that sexuality is not dirty or bad but instead is beautiful. Let us not be stupid and give Mike what he wants. Let's try to be somewhat intelligent and use this freedom for progress and not regression. I doubt that this will happen because of the WAY in which we were given our freedom. Presentation and context are very important things. What's so great about filet mignon and fine wine if it's served on a grime-covered garbage can lid? Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:16:00 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Jewel bootlegs are not evil. Bootlegs(if they are good quality) are good things. Just wanted to borrow a line from Rage Against the Machine as the heading of this email. Unmoderation. The Bastille Day of the Jewel list(for 24 hours anyway). Mike has proven himself to me to be a great list manager and truly dedicated worker. My respect and admiration for the immense amount of volunteer work he does to maintain this list never fails to amaze me. That said Mike is reactionary at times and a bit extreme. He has been so in his personal dealings with me anyway. Oh, and he's right, be cool to Mr. BB, he is an EXTREMELY valuable resource that any true fan of Jewel would be a fool to alienate. But Mike reminds me of a line from the movie Midnight Run when Grodin says to DeNiro, "You have two forms of expression, silence and rage." This unmiterated freedom and unmoderation is a gambit by Mike trying to prove his point. His point is that most people on the list are immature and will abuse their newly given freedom. Let us please not do that and instead use this wonderful opportunity to discuss a variety of "forbidden" issues. Everything from bootleg CDs and the open trading and selling and buying of them on this list to how RaceCar Driver contains the blatantly sexually explicit lyrics about semen and testicles and how anyone who fails to realize this is a sheltered and repressed person who needs to realize that sexuality is not dirty or bad but instead is beautiful. Let us not be stupid and give Mike what he wants. Let's try to be somewhat intelligent and use this freedom for progress and not regression. I doubt that this will happen because of the WAY in which we were given our freedom. Presentation and context are very important things. What's so great about filet mignon and fine wine if it's served on a grime-covered garbage can lid? Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:18:36 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Use this freedom, don't abuse it. A plea that will most likely go unheard. Just wanted to borrow a line from Rage Against the Machine as the heading of this email. Unmoderation. The Bastille Day of the Jewel list(for 24 hours anyway). Mike has proven himself to me to be a great list manager and truly dedicated worker. My respect and admiration for the immense amount of volunteer work he does to maintain this list never fails to amaze me. That said Mike is reactionary at times and a bit extreme. He has been so in his personal dealings with me anyway. Oh, and he's right, be cool to Mr. BB, he is an EXTREMELY valuable resource that any true fan of Jewel would be a fool to alienate. But Mike reminds me of a line from the movie Midnight Run when Grodin says to DeNiro, "You have two forms of expression, silence and rage." This unmiterated freedom and unmoderation is a gambit by Mike trying to prove his point. His point is that most people on the list are immature and will abuse their newly given freedom. Let us please not do that and instead use this wonderful opportunity to discuss a variety of "forbidden" issues. Everything from bootleg CDs and the open trading and selling and buying of them on this list to how RaceCar Driver contains the blatantly sexually explicit lyrics about semen and testicles and how anyone who fails to realize this is a sheltered and repressed person who needs to realize that sexuality is not dirty or bad but instead is beautiful. Let us not be stupid and give Mike what he wants. Let's try to be somewhat intelligent and use this freedom for progress and not regression. I doubt that this will happen because of the WAY in which we were given our freedom. Presentation and context are very important things. What's so great about filet mignon and fine wine if it's served on a grime-covered garbage can lid? Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #531 ***************************