From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #468 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, September 1 1998 Volume 03 : Number 468 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- EDA Birthday Cake [Santee ] Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real [Sean35RL@aol.co] Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real [KNicky3116@] Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real [Charlie Wat] Re: Question/song interpretation ["Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: EDA Birthday Cake * * * * * I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ @ Everyday Angels @ @ @ @___________________________________________________________________@ @ @ @ Birthday Announcements @ @ @ @___________________________________________________________________@ @ @ @ for @ @ September @ @ @ @%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%@ 09-02 jckj@gte.net Adrienne Beum (Stray) 09-02 LuzerMe311@aol.com Laura (Lar) 09-02 SamLeask@rocketmail.com Samantha Leask (Sam) 09-02 Timtarheel@aol.com Timothy Holtzclaw (Tim) 09-02 zero_cool00@yahoo.com Shawn 09-03 daisies24@hotmail.com Tiffany Michelle Anderson (Michelle or Daisy or Love) 09-03 dseidl@online.emich.edu David Seidl (the BFG) 09-03 Jeffery_Scott@msn.com "Jeff Griese" 09-04 K2@endor.org K2 (K2) 09-04 schiller@dave-world.net "Lisa Schiller" 09-04 sharon_peleg@ibm.net Sharon Peleg (Sharon) 09-04 Squeky5@aol.com Alicia DiBenedetto (the Thoughtful Angel) 09-04 taintedone@hotmail.com Ryan Correll (Tainted One) 09-05 afrodzak@worldnet.att.net Kira Green (kiwi) 09-05 larthur@hotmail.com Lori Arthur (Miss_Jewel) 09-06 a.williams7@gte.net Angela Williams (Wills) 09-06 ephili2568@aol.com Bill Philips () 09-06 MUSSERR@HARTWICK.EDU Rachell Musser (Eleroo) 09-07 ahoier@juno.com Adam Hoier 09-07 Jewelangl0@aol.com emily a. 09-07 jlincks@risc.usi.edu "Julie Ann Lincks (Julie Ann Lincks, Joo Joo Boo boo, poo Poo, HI)" 09-07 Pooh99Pooh@aol.com (Kari Wildner) 09-08 BCSvball@aol.com, AjaVieux@AOL.com Jenna (Jen) 09-08 Mish370@aol.com Michelle S. "shy angel" 09-08 Poltz38@aol.com Tiffany Chandanais(Poltzie Angel) 09-08 slneely@aol.com Shanna Neely (Shanna) 09-08 toenjes@hermes.fho-emden.de Jrgen Tnjes () 09-09 John.R.Furnas-1@ou.edu "John Furnas (John 'Boomer Sooner' Furnas)" 09-09 mch@logisoftusa.com mary (netgirl) 09-09 Mish370 Michelle S. () 09-10 amethot@hotmail.com "Andrea Methot (Ange)" 09-11 GroovyLime@aol.com Steve Messina (Groovyworm) 09-11 jersey4421@aol.com "Mike A. (Jersey4421)" 09-12 dmcshea@attila.stevens-tech.edu "David McShea (Shader)" 09-12 natty20@aol.com Natalie R. Torres (Natalie) 09-12 PreWolf@aol.com Tina Wolf (the forever running angel) 09-12 super@hotmail.com.com linda crew (evitta) 09-12 tsafra@us.oracle.com Todd Safra 09-12 usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu Seth Fulmer 09-13 litieangel@aol.com Lisa Close (Li) 09-13 Prnc Grace@aol.com Nicole 09-14 daisypetals@usa.net Lara Ruth (Lara) 09-14 qwertyuio@mindspring.com Natalie*Starry*Angel* 09-15 LivNLuv006@aol.com Liv de Guzman, "the livin' angel" 09-15 willph william prasetya hondokusumo (billy) 09-16 felix_the_cat@geocities.com "Mike Thiel (Felix the Cat)" 09-16 fingram@tcccom.net "Fred Ingram (FBI)" 09-16 JewelGirrl@aol.com "Natalie (JewelGirrl)" 09-16 Joyleaff@aol.com "Adrian" 09-16 layaway@earthlink.net "Lora (That Little Voice Inside Your Head)" 09-16 saki_grrl@hotmail.com Sarah (sar-bear) 09-16 scheib@juno.com "Jason Rohrscheib" 09-16 susanj@huntingdon.edu "Susan Jones" 09-17 Beck82@aol.com Rebecca(The Angel With Butterfly Wings) 09-17 ceichler@metronet.de Cris Eichler () 09-17 cmize@aracnet.com Chuck Mize (Chuck Mize) 09-17 corth@icon.net Cortney Hunt 09-17 fj0500@alpha1.albany.edu Fred Jeziorkowski (spoonyJ) 09-17 penn@netcom.com Jason J. Penn (Nocturne) 09-17 rick@porto.ucp.pt "ricardo silva (wingstar)" 09-17 tburke@mail.heidelberg.edu "Timothy J. Burke ('Burkeman')" 09-18 cptnpicard@provide.net Matt Adler (//\//\att The "Thespian Angel") 09-19 a-markfr@microsoft.com Mark Frabotta 09-19 etienne@hempseed.com Tom N. Harris (Rev. Etienne Telliamed)"It's Tom's B-day; Happy Birthday to me! " 09-19 henry.park@juno.com Henry Park (Henry) 09-19 madrise@aol.com chris B () 09-19 milagro4@primenet.com "Tom Morales" 09-19 slunk69090@aol.com "Happy Birthday Mac!" 09-19 smithr@agcs.com "Roger Smith (Maverick)" 09-20 cj819263@bed.buenayre.com.ar "Natalia Alonso (Forsythia)" 09-20 dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu Daniel Moreno (Dmon . . . aka the flyby angel) 09-20 moneill@caninet.com "Mike O'Neill (hHead)" 09-20 spencer@tir.com Robert G. Spencer (ROE-G) 09-21 Grrly1@aol.com "Thirza Pearl" 09-21 PucaFddlr@aol.com Alana. (the horn-trumpeting angel) 09-21 speedial@geocities.com Kelvin Poon (Speedial) 09-22 DmBear978@aol.com Alex Esther (Guitar playin Angel) 09-22 ekc92283@aol.com erin clancy (lovesick angel) 09-22 jmb2g@frank.mtsu.edu Joanna Marie Burgess (Joanna (Sweet Pea)) 09-23 seeming@extol.com.my "Chong See Ming" 09-23 emballan@syr.edu "Erin M. Ballantine" 09-23 hi41553@navix.net "Amy Barker" 09-23 seeming@extol.com.my "Chong See Ming" 09-24 peridot846@aol.com Michelle Feldman (Shelly??) 09-24 saraholmes@juno.com Sarah Holmes 09-24 swoop7@juno.com sterling flickinger (jinx) 09-25 rockyraccoon@fuse.net Kim Morgan (Kimmie, tHe GoOfY aNgEl:P) 09-25 Void after 7/25/97 Kevin (The Elegy) 09-25 vixen118@yahoo.com Livia Giovetti 09-26 fragileflame@hotmail.com Zac (~*The Astro Angel*~) 09-26 thespis@mindspring.com "Terrence R. 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For the actuall message place the following order (Bday date) Tab (your Email addy) tab (Your Name) example heres mine 01-02 dperugin@medmail.mcg.edu Dan Perugini (Chaplain Dan) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 02:00:16 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real interpretation Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Where the hell did that guy get that from. Maxmouse's post are generally good too. The song has nothing to do with Kurt Cobain, at all. It is not about suicide either. It was inspired by a recovering heroin addict who called Jewel's hotline and said that listening to the song repeatedly was helping him kick his habit because he would keep telling himself that his flesh isn't hell. The song is not one of Jewel's more difficult to analyze songs. It is one of her most emotive and powerful songs though and is flat out just one of her best. It is a very very angry song and in its best live performance she veritably spits the words out in disgust. The injustice spoken of in the lines "Such an injustice, as children we are told That from god we fell" is the injustice of how children are socialized and brainwashed with false ideas. Children are innocent, as Jewel has stated many times, and her rage is directed at those who poison children's minds. After that is the seering climax to the song with Jewel crying out in desperation "Where are MY angels? Where's my golden one? Where is my hope now that my heroes have gone?" These lines are a plea, the singer of the song has very little hope and is confused and directionless. The angels Jewel speaks of being everpresent are nowhere to be found for the song's narrator who is, as the line says, without hope. This segues into the closing lines about child abuse. "Some are being beaten, some are being born, And some can't tell the difference anymore." The third part, about some can't tell the difference anymore is a venomous line indicting the world for its harsh cruelty by suggesting that merely being born into such a corrupt world is a form of abuse. Then by adding the epilogue of "amen"s and "halleluja"s Jewel shows us that all that happened above was a purgation, a cathartic prayer. As for the imagery laden lines that lead up to the ones I've quoted above I will only single out a few things for comment. The songs starts out identifying a child as "your mother's child but night lays you down," meaning that maybe you aren't as much your mother's child as you think if night, not your mother, is laying you down. Then we have eyes staring up, yearning for heavenly insight or divine inspiration but there is something in the way, as there always is when people seek those things. "In the bible only angels have wings and the rest must wait to be saved" is important in that it creates the religious duality of the song and relates back to the title in that sense. Again, an indictment of the bible for creating a heirarchy between the angels, and the lowly people without wings who must feebly wait and hope to be saved. The dry tongue and the strange bird are also accurate metaphors for hopeless, flailing objects railing against a system that is against them. "Pieces of us die every day as though our flesh were hell " is the last great metaphor that serves as the starting point for the lines I dissect above and connotates the narrator's opinion that our innocence burns away, every day as we get older, never to be recaptured as it is stolen from us by the cruel world which is so beautifully and violently criticized and indicted in the aforementioned lines. So again, that guy Maxmouse who posted about Amen being about Kurt Cobain and/or suicide is way off base. Just wanted to clear a few things up about one of Jewel's truly, truly great songs. Be well, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:27:39 EDT From: KNicky3116@aol.com Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real Maxmouze was right. I've heard Jewel say that before. She may have had more than one purpose for writing the song, but it was also indirectly written for Kurt Cobain. - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:32:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Charlie Watkins Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 Sean35RL@aol.com wrote: > It was inspired by a recovering heroin addict who called > Jewel's hotline and said that listening to the song repeatedly was helping him > kick his habit because he would keep telling himself that his flesh isn't > hell. I'm going to assume that Sean's lapse here was caused by enthusiasm. However, the song could not be inspired by someone who was listening to it. I do recall the story aobut the junkie calling Jewel's hotline and saying that the song inpired _him_. I think Jewel mentioned this at JewelStock and that he requested the song, her longest distance request (from Puerto Rico? Panama?) And, although it is not specifically about Cobain or suicide, I recall that it was written in response to his and other's suicides. Anyone is welcome to come to Montana and slap me in the face with a cream pie if I'm wrong. :) Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:19:40 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: Question/song interpretation Well I wrote about this song on EDA-Thoughts list as to "what and why" is my favorite song on the POY... and this is what I have to say: Well as much as I like all of the songs and each one has some personal meaning to me... I have to go with Amen... it is just IMO the best piece of singing on the album and also the incredible lyrics that always beat me down with my own truth... cause I feel the song as a confession of hopelessness, depsperation and the painful realisation of REALITY that is so unpleasant cause we are numb... and how religon holds so many truths yet it is so misleading... I've been in the flow of this song many a day of my life and pieces of me do die everyday as hard as I try to resurrect them or replace with something new... I fail cause we are traped in time, and in this time we search for whatever we would like to see and know and believe... it is so easy to give up but we try not to... and so hard to keep going but we try to... up to one point where those things change... we react... results are different... they depend on conclusion our different minds come up with... and as the ending of the song says... without hope it can all blend together... and once it'd be all same for any of us... all that'd be left to say is "Why bother... I can't do it anyway"... I manage to find hope... and there are rare places... but this song is one of them... cause it tells me ... "it's like that... now can you see what is real and can you feel like surviving..." Well I CAN and I DO! - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:33:54 EDT From: PucaFddlr@aol.com Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real In a message dated 9/1/98 7:59:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean35RL@aol.com writes: << he song has nothing to do with Kurt Cobain, at all. It is not about suicide either. It was inspired by a recovering heroin addict who called Jewel's hotline and said that listening to the song repeatedly was helping him kick his habit because he would keep telling himself that his flesh isn't hell. >> Sean, oh mighty one..... a question here. How can the song have been inspired by someone who listened to it?? I mean, for him to have listened to it, it had to already be written and performed, yes? (/me cocks and eyebrow...) ;) alana. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:52:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Charlie Watkins Subject: NJC: VH1 repeats of Steve Poltz? Since the local cable company (TCI, yucch) cuts to Comedy Central in the evening I won't be able to tape the Steve Poltz thing tonight. Does anybocy know if and when they will re-run it? Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:57:50 -0700 From: s0meone@juno.com (Danielle C Wilson) Subject: Top 10 Album vote Just so everyone else doesn't have to search around the Mr. Showbiz site like I did, here's the exact URL where you should go to vote for your ten favorite albums of the 90's http://www.wallofsound.com/features/stories/top_100_albums/90s/index_voted.h tml Danielle ~the glitter kitty angel~ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ "I swear by my life and my love of it that I shall never live for the sake of another man nor ask another man to live for mine." --Ayn Rand - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #468 ***************************