From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #401 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, July 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 401 * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to jewel-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: just a few more lines Jewel.... ummmm..... re-used... [MAXMOUZE@aol.] EDAF: Calling all Western and Central USA EDAs for help :) [CleoCrazy@ao] help [Rain44555@aol.com] MI EDA's? how can i help kids? [Catnlove@aol.com] 8 Morning Song singles [Lilithxxx@aol.com] Re: Oprah, and Jewel(changing for the worse?) [Caltreegrl@aol.com] Jewel at Steve's Java Joe's concert? [Mishela Eastman ] Jewel #10 on countdown [LastDance0@aol.com] Re: Criticism of Jewel, inspired by Bridget's post [Jesse A McDonald ] NJC: AZ gathering before Steve Poltz? [Mystchif1@aol.com] Regarding this Angel Book business... [Silver8765@aol.com] Fanatic re-air? U2 mailing list? [JET-JAGAUR@webtv.net (TOMMY KNIGHTMARE)] Re: jewel&oprah [Jesse A McDonald ] Misunderstanding - Jewel [Jesapeet@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:02:29 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: just a few more lines Jewel.... ummmm..... re-used... Another one is: You come home you look kind of frantic Too bad 'cause I feel romantic -- "Marital Carnival" You come home you look kind of frantic Too bad 'cause I feel romantic -- "You and I" By the way, Sassy and Silver Satin Wings are the same person, I"m tellin ya! (Both songs will be covered in the JEWEL KILCHER INTERPRETATION PAGE later) http://members.aol.com/maxmouze/tjkip.htm New changes are coming to the Jewel Kilcher Interpretation Page...more later. - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:06:33 EDT From: CleoCrazy@aol.com Subject: EDAF: Calling all Western and Central USA EDAs for help :) hi all :) for those of you who don't know me, my name is chris moynihan, and at this moment i am currently in charge of collecting and organizing links and contacts to various volunteer opportunities and non-profit information sources for the Everyday Angels Foundation, aka the EDAF. as it stands now, we have a fair collection of info for the east coast. however, links for the midwest and west coast are close to nil. i know there are tons of you EDAs out that way, and i'm betting that many of you would be more than happy to help out. i'm not asking you to slave and toil for many hours under the hot sun, maybe just a half hour's time, if that, in the comfort of your own home. you'd be surprised how many things you'll find in such a short time. if you'd like to help, here's what you can do: *make a list of organizations/resources and/or their web addresses/phone numbers in this format.... organization name: http://thesite.name.here *email it to cleocrazy@aol.com with the subject "EDAF Research" *make sure to include your name so i know who helped :) if you need some more help or more ideas, just drop me a note, and i'll be glad to help you help me :) a big thanks ahead of time! speaking strictly for myself and not the EDAF officially, (cause i'm always crazy) chris :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:13:35 EDT From: Rain44555@aol.com Subject: help hey, i'm new. i was wondering if anyone could help me out on a few things. first, how do we help with that angel book thing? I'd like to help out. it'd be neat. next, am I an EDA? I wasn't sure if i was an EDA just because i'm on the mailing list. that's all for now. Thanx to anyone who helps me out. joni lynn confused is jewel going to be on mtv at midnight this monday? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:09:34 EDT From: Catnlove@aol.com Subject: MI EDA's? how can i help kids? Hello Everybody! i was wondering if there is any one out there from MI? I'm in the detroit area and was wondering if any one else was too! and i also wanted to know how i could help with the childers hospital thing. if those involved could please e-mail me at Cat n love@aol.com i would love to help. buh bye for now! -cat *The Camelian Angel* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:26:22 EDT From: Lilithxxx@aol.com Subject: 8 Morning Song singles Hello angelz~ I have eight Morning song singles all the way from Germany that I would love for eight of you to have. So anyone that wants one please Email me and I'll give you my address. They cost ten dollars each and feel free to order as many as you want! The ten dollars includes the shipping and handling so don't worry I am not making a profit off of this at all =)....in fact I'm actually losing 9 cents...but you know thats ok that nine cents is my gift to you guys =) hehe Please respond as soon as possible! 0=) ASB ~ Corey Amber ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:10:14 EDT From: Caltreegrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Oprah, and Jewel(changing for the worse?) Well, I suppose I'll jump on this wagon, too...I would like to add to Mike & Sean's Comments. > I even went as far as only listening to the interview instead of watching it, I found 95% of the content to be the same old rehashed topics. {ex. "you lived in a van, huh'??} < Well, this should come to no suprise to any of us. Isn't that the reason we had the top 10 questions relayed to Jewel recently? >Jewel's new obsession with heavy make-up Two things to keep in mind here...One: Yes, there is a lot of pressure to look good once you've made it to the top. This is why you have make-up artists pounding you with tons of make-up. Trust me, you don't get as much of a choice as you would like. And Two: I have personal experience with people telling me not to wear make-up, that I look great. So, I go a couple of months without and then the next time I put it on those same people say "wow, you look great, you should wear make-up more often." It's a constant battle...don't blame her for the change >Where is the angry, embittered, selfish(in >a good way) Jewel of RaceCar >Driver, God's Gift to Women, Deep Water, Daddy, Carnivore, and Nicotine >Love?? >I agree with this also, I must admit the first song of jewel's I heard >was 'Absence of Fear,' featured on mtv's 120 minutes. This song and >other's like it, {see above} mean more to me personally then any of >commerical recordings. That's not to say the commerical recordings are >bad, they are just different. Well, all of that is well and good, but remember why Jewel decided to scrap the new album. She stated that it just wasn't where she was anymore. Those songs are of a less mature girl who had yet to experience any of what she has now. Sean, I think you were a little harsh to get mad at her for being "far too happy." Look at all she has achieved. While she was scraping by to live and sleeping in a van, the world must have looked much different. Now she is looking at it from a successful vantage point. This might explain the change in attitude. Besides, how can Jewel spread goodwill if she goes around with a frown on her face? Cheers to Jewel for a positive attitude! That's just my thoughts on the subject. Should you wish to discuss it further, feel free! Kelly The Heartfelt Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:43:46 Pacific Daylight Time From: Mishela Eastman Subject: Jewel at Steve's Java Joe's concert? In answer to Erik's question, no, Jewel wasn't at either show. Last night, though he brought on Gregory Page for 3 songs, though...it was absolutely beautiful! Live simply so others can simply live. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:38:35 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: the harpo show > > Anyway, I have the following, ill-informed comments... > An apt disclaimer. I'd rather make a mistake than keep quiet... (which is counter-conventional wisdom, I know^_^) but I don't want anyone thinking I know what I'm talking about if I don't. > > 1 - Jewel was talking in her little kid voice (good? bad? dunno?) > Normal voice as far as I could tell. Jewel is the quintessential Gemini... she doesn't HAVE a normal voice... speaking OR singing... she has TONs, and I think of the one that I heard as her "little kid voice". ^_^ > > 2 - Oprah reads poetry like it's a news article > She did as well as anybody and let the words speak for theselves. I like a bit of passion... (nudge...j/k^_^) > > 3 - alternating lines in the readings wasn't a terribly good idea > I enjoyed it, they did it very well and the poems maintained their > integrity. It'd be tough to strip them of integrity, I just didn't think it came across very well. But hey, I was barely watching. ^_^ > > 4 - someone new is playing Oprah this season! ^_^ > Change is good. :) I was shocked! | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:29:18 EDT From: LastDance0@aol.com Subject: Jewel #10 on countdown Best breakup songs jewel was #10......An on VH1 the 60 sec album review he was talking about sarah and he said she unlike jewel had no personal tracic story or like paula cole under arm hair sarah was all about the music and i though hey! I dont like jewel cause of her life story i like her cause i like her her music and her message! so Some people are just full of crap. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:53:12 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: Criticism of Jewel, inspired by Bridget's post > Jewel is a lucky person? This implies that she is not much more talented then > every other girl with a guitar who plays at a coffeeshop and that she just won > some sorta fame lottery because of her looks(well, now thinking about it that > may be partially true). But I don't believe that. I believe she is > exceptionally talented and that her success stems less from luck and more from > talent, ability, uniqueness, originality, lyrical depth, etcetera. As for what > I have against happy people, it's just that I see very little in this world to > be happy about. One must always fight and struggle for change and progress. To > be happy is to be stagnant and content. I also think that Jewel is not in a > position to "express herself in any direction she feels she needs to" because > her freedom is constricted by her overpopularity. And, why should she be > grateful for what she has? She earned it, it's her right, she worked damn hard > to get where she is. Just some thoughts. Gotta differ with you on a few points... Jewel did NOT work damn hard to get where she is, and she DID win a fame lottery. She and all of us are fortunate that she got discovered, but she's not a multi-(gold? platinum?) selling artist because she has talent, soul and brilliant lyrics. She's where she is in the limelight because she's a knockout. The reason I say she didn't work to get where she is - she didn't promote herself, solicit deals, record and distribute demo tapes... she just performed because she loved it. That wasn't hard work, that was clover. She was miraculously discovered and signed, but the work... well, I'm not saying she never put anything into her music, but she didn't make the music to get where she is. I'm not saying she doesn't have a lot on her plate right now, but that's BECAUSE of where she is. As for what you said about happiness... I agree, it's a world of used cars and broken dreams, but there's ALL KINDS of stuff to be happy about... just look at the sky or a cute little kid playing... sure it's a bittersweet symphony (tm) but that's no reason to cultivate despair or dark feelings... I have faith in her, as an artist, to put what she actually feels into her art... and maybe I'll identify with it, and maybe I won't... but... yeah. Anyway, stagnation and contempt aren't synonymous... just occasional bedfellows... just my TEN BUCKS | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:28:40 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: I finally saw Oprah... Well, I finally saw Oprah and I was impressed. I agree, Oprah doesn't read poetry that well and she seems sort of full of herself -- when talking about people being inspired, she was like "When people are watching this right now - -- they'll look at you...and me...and see successful people" or whatever. At least she was able to acknowledge Jewel's uniqueness and the fact that she is an ideal human being. I like at the end how she says "You're special". I am so frustrated because my mom said it was terrible that Jewel had to live in her van and I said "She liked it -- it helped her spiritually and gave her a time to look at the world" and my mom goes "Yeah well how about I kick you out and make you live in your car." My mom doesn't understand about spirituality. It also made me sad because Nedra was talking about how she doesn't have any goals set for her children, she doesn't expect them to reach a specific place in their lives and my mom does. It's just frustrating to want to be spiritual and "human" and having a parent who just doesn't understand spirituality. Any advice, Angels? - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:06:23 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: Alan's comments Alan has a point, the "Jewel on TV" isn't the same as the "Jewel behind the scenes." I'm sure of that. Even on MTV Fanatic, she wasn't wearing all *that* much make up. Remember? It was just on 3 nights ago on MTV. No one mentioned the make-up thing then, right? How soon we forget. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:11:20 EDT From: Mystchif1@aol.com Subject: NJC: AZ gathering before Steve Poltz? Hey angels! Just wondering if any AZ EDA's were interested in meeting up before the Steve Poltz concert Monday night at the Cajun House. I remember someone trying to do this before Lilith but don't know if anything came out of it. E-mail if you're interested! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:33:27 EDT From: Silver8765@aol.com Subject: Regarding this Angel Book business... Hello, Angels. Now... I suppose I haven't been paying attention lately, forgive me, but can someone explain this Angel Book thing to me? I was browsing through the numerous e-mails and it just... Caught my eye... I don't know. Take care, Love... Niina, the other confused angel... :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:45:42 -0400 (EDT) From: JET-JAGAUR@webtv.net (TOMMY KNIGHTMARE) Subject: Fanatic re-air? U2 mailing list? Hey everyone, Does anybody know when MTV will re-air Fanatic. I didn't get to tape it. And does anyone know if a similiar mailing list to this exist for U2. Thanks alot. The Angel On The OUTS TOMMY KNIGHTMARE "Abandon hope all ye who enter here", Dante's Inferno ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:02:42 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: jewel&oprah > show she must of liked it or else she would have washed it of and we are You HAVE to wear make-up in a TV studio. She didn't have much of a choice, really. Still - I don't know where the make-up came from or anything about it. > spose to be here to support her and not to complain about her make-up Why does everyone keep telling everyone else what we're here for? The EveryDay Angels is not a Jewel Defense League. As far as I know, we're all on the list because we're INTERESTED in Jewel. We want to hear other people talk about Jewel, and Jewel related stuff. Whether we admire her or worship her or want to know more about her or can't stand her. Am I wrong, though? Like you all know I love her to death (in my somewhat limited, never-having-met-her way), but what if someone genuinely had problems with what she said or did... and they wished to be a part of the list? If they posted intelligent (bear with me) messages about what they DIDN'T like about Jewel, and how they DIDN'T like her... would they be welcome on the list? Every so often, I become afraid that not only wouldn't they'd be welcome... but the list would flame them into oblivion. I'm not really talking about you, Robyn, don't take this message personally. I'm just saying we ought to let people say what they feel, then respond to that with what WE feel, and keep this a discussion list as opposed to a cult of personality. | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:54:13 EDT From: Jesapeet@aol.com Subject: Misunderstanding - Jewel To make your beliefs stronger. . you must question them constantly. If we did not question things. . . do you think we would ever realize the earth was NOT flat. I wanna understand Jewel more. . thus it causes me to ask ?'s and make comment. I am entitled to this. . this is simply constructive criticism. Jewel may live her life every way she wishes. I do have a comment about the drug issue. If Jewel does use drugs. .currently. .forgetting the past. . . i would not find her to be a good role model for the younger generations. . who are a point in their life where they are extremely impressionable. I look up to Jewel for her determination. . and for her wonderful voice, and excellent guitar skills. And the poetry, and msg. she brings with it. Although it would distress to know. .that Jewel's voice may come from her drug use to hit higher pitches, notes, etc. BUT I AM NOT SAYING SHE DOES! It is just a simple possibility, from what i had heard. here. .i will say this to Jewel. . she may not read this. .but i will feel better if i direct it towards her ***** Jewel - You have inspired so many people, you continue to inspire me, my voice may not be yours, my guitar skills may not be yours, but my determination is just as true. You have made a big impression in my life. . . I do not know you, i only have your image, and for self-righteous reasons, i do not ever want to realize. .your image. .is all there is. . But that is all i have to go on. . .and when i hear you may use drugs, and you may be over- taken by the spotlight, it makes me question would i be able to with hold all of that. .if you can't . if i cannot be as strong as you. And i know i am not as strong as you.. .I am not putting the responsibilty of my success on you, but i will say. .you do give me that extra boost. . My life is my own, i know that, but your life is your own also, and i hope you always have the strength to keep a hold of it. My beliefs are not with god necessarily, but they are with you. .so. .god be with you ****** "May the angels watch over and protect us all. .but remember.. they come in all forms .. your parents. .your doctors .. your friends. . " - me - -Jessica- Apparition of an angel Http://members.aol.com/jesapeet/index.html ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #401 ***************************