From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #182 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 182 * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to jewel-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: About Daddy [Mike Connell ] About Daddy [Micheal Mace ] NJC: Poltz in Chi-town [ICURMINE ] Jewel on film & more ["John M. P. Athayde" ] Adrian [Sharon Peleg ] Re: About Daddy [kallisti23@juno.com] Re: About Daddy [Jan Winters ] NJC: MASS./BOSTON EDA's, read plz [JewelEDA21 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:16:44 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: re: About Daddy Micheal Mace wrote: >Now that someone has mentioned Daddy, I got a question/something to say: >I heard that Jewel wrote this song about a friends dad who would not let >his kids watch a show cause it had a black dude in it......... >ok, so where does that fit in with the song? The only part I can see >fitting in with the explantion is "I saw you sneak out your window with >your white hood daddy" It's not *in* the song, Jewel has said what it is about, and where she got the material/idea for the song (it being about . a friends father), in concerts and in interviews. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:17:33 -0500 From: Micheal Mace Subject: About Daddy Now that someone has mentioned Daddy, I got a question/something to say: I heard that Jewel wrote this song about a friends dad who would not let his kids watch a show cause it had a black dude in it......... ok, so where does that fit in with the song? The only part I can see fitting in with the explantion is "I saw you sneak out your window with your white hood daddy" But the rest.....sorry...can't see that.....the rest of the song talks about a worthless dad...but just because someone is racist doesn't make them a bad father, except when the subject of race comes up.... matter of fact...the entire song seems more like a girl thumbing her nose at her dad (Or giving him the finger would be a more descriptive metaphor)......Hell.....that song sounds almost like Pantera's "I'm broken" song from Far Beyond Driven.....the words and the lyrics also don't seem to quite fit together.....unless the reason I was told about her writing the song is incomplete.... mind you not that I am complaining...just wondering....I happen to like the song...even its non sequiturs any info? flames, opinions, etc? Micheal Mace the Lokarion Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:32:36 EST From: ICURMINE Subject: NJC: Poltz in Chi-town Hey all~ Just got back into town from seeing Steve at the Uncommon Ground in Chicago.... It was awesome!!! I have never been to a concert as close and intimate as the one Steve gave tonight. I wont go into a bunch of details like the setlist (although there was quite the variation, including "Little Red Corvette") But wanted to tell every one who hasnt met Steve, or seen him play, that he is every bit as nice as I had heard. Not only did he stick around after the show to sign autographs, but he also agreed to have a couple of photos taken with me and two of my friends. I was sooo supremely stoked, i managed to get one of the promo posters the cafe stuck in the window and get Steve to sign it!!!!! thats it for now folks.... Tim The Paper Angel ( who also likes Steve) P.S. when i get them developed, i will post the pics to my website, any one who wants to see them can ask for the addy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:10:30 -0500 From: "John M. P. Athayde" Subject: Jewel on film & more 1. Jewel on film... Remember that at Interlochen she specialized in Musical Theatre (or so i was told, i apologize if i am in error on this...) and she's been in front of the camera numerous times with videos, specials, yada yada yada. If any of you have ever worked in film, you know the grueling schedules placed on the actors and crew (god bless us techies) so I am not concerned about her working on a new album. Chances are She really doesn't have any time... 2. Kilkenny Man My band covered this on our show right before St. Patricks Day... It's by Steve PLoltz and it appears on the Rugburn's CD "Morning Wood". Great Irish drinking song if i might say so myself... 3. Under The Water I just heard this song, my friend sent me this in a sound file However, just wondering if anyone knew the origin of this song and when it was played on tour or if it is purely studio demo stuff... 4. On parents not listening to what their kids listen to... Now don't get all uppity on me, let me say my piece... There is a website out there that has reviews for parents. screenit.com. Here's what it had to say about Jewel's Pieces of You: http://www.screenit.com/music/rock/jewel/pieceofu.htm > GENRE: > Rock, Folk > > WILL KIDS WANT TO OWN IT? > It's possible. Jewel has gained popularity among the young Generation X-ers with her portrayals of growing up in a world surrounded by the stark > realities of life. > > HOW WE RATE THE CONTENT: > Moderate > > OUR TAKE: 7 out of 10 > Pieces Of You is Jewel Kilcher's debut album. Jewel is gaining accolades for her honest and sometimes poignant portrayals of the realities of life. > Her unyielding lyrics and melodic voice capture the essence of her struggle to justify the inequities of life. From her emotionally-charged ballad, > "Adrian," to the candid simplicity of "Pieces Of You," to the disturbing "Daddy," this CD covers a range of social awareness. However, the > themes of some of the songs are a little too sober, and thus, this release receives a 7 out of 10. > > OUR WORD TO PARENTS: > Parents should be aware of a few songs that contain questionable themes. They are "Pieces Of You," "Little Sister," and "Daddy." Although > the content in these songs is controversial, they try to answer the wrongs by posing some solutions to the problems. > > > > ALCOHOL OR DRUG USE > The song, "Little Sister," describes the frailties of a young woman whose need for drugs out weighs the need to get help for her addiction. There > are three phrases that mention drugs and/or alcohol. First is the phrase: "We gotta start feeding our souls / have been lost to the millions with lots / > who feed on addiction selling pills and what's hot... ." The second is: ."..God and he only knows that drugs / are all we know of love." And lastly: > "We spill the pills and sweep them / under the rug / My little sister is a Zombie in a body / with no soul a role she has learned to play / in a world today > where nothing else matters / but it matters, we gotta start feeding our souls." > Also, in this song, the word "beer" is mentioned. > > COVER ART > On the cover and in the liner notes are flattering portraits of Jewel, one in which she is dressed in a tight and very short one-piece jump suit. > This CD has lyrics to all the songs and lyrics to two poems and several short passages. Some of the content in the poems and the short passages > contains questionable lyrics and is discussed in the appropriate categories. > > DISRESPECTFUL/BAD ATTITUDE > The song, "Daddy," is about the relationship of a father and a child gone wrong. In it, the character describes incidences that have upset the father > and, in turn, have caused the child to think of things to do to the father. So much so, that the child wants to "rip your heart out the way you did mine, > Daddy." There are other references to doing harm to the father. And at the end of the song, the child states that: ."..I'm your creation, I'm your love, > Daddy. / Grew up to be and do all those sick things you said I'd do. / Well last night I saw you sneak out your window / With your white hood, > Daddy / What's that say about you?" > In "Pieces Of You," there are a few disparaging words describing certain stereotypes. They are the terms "bitch," "faggot," and "Jew." > > GUNS/WEAPONS > There is a minor reference to a gun in the poem, "Faith Poem (a poem about faith)." In it, the author asks: "Where is my sling / Where is my > stone, / My gun? / Where is my weapon with which / I may fight this apathy... ." > > IMITATIVE BEHAVIOR > There are two songs and one poem that contain references to cigarettes or cigarette smoking. They are "Foolish Games," "Daddy" and the poem, > "Las Vegas." > In "I'm Sensitive," the statement is made about "robbing" the thunder of the pessimists and giving it back to ordinary people. The lyrics state: "I > was thinking that it might do some good / If we robbed the cynics and took all their food / That way what they believe will have taken place / And we > can give it back to people who have some faith." > In the poem, "Me," there are a few comments made about uncharacteristic behavior like: "I've cheated on boyfriends," " I've owned a fake ID," and > "I've faked applications." > In the song, "Pieces Of You," the slang "bitch" is used to refer to a young "pretty girl." Also, the words "faggot" and "Jew" describe two people in > this song. > > MUSIC (SCARY/TENSE) > None. > > PROFANITY > In summary, there are 2 hells and 2 damns. > In the song, "Who Will Save Your Soul," the word "hell" is in the written lyrics, but is not mentioned in the recorded song. > The word "hell" in "Amen" is used as a descriptive term. The lyrics state: "Pieces of us die everyday / As though our flesh were hell." > The word "damn" is used twice. The first is in the song, "Foolish Games," in which it is used as term for who cares. Also, in "Painters," it is > used as curse toward another person. > > SEXUAL CONTENT > In "Pieces Of You," there is a sexual innuendo made about a girl in the song. The lyrics state: "She's a pretty girl, does she make you think nasty > thoughts?" > A possible comment about prostitution is made in the song, "Who Will Save Your Soul." It is made at the end of the song and states: "Say, it's > been swell, sweetheart, but it was just one of those things / Those flings, those strings you've got to cut / So get out on the streets, girls, and bust > your butts." > The song "Morning Song" starts off in bed with someone suggesting "let's stay in bed" and call in sick, because "you're the only one that I want to > see." At the end of the song is the statement: "My how you remind me of a man I used to sleep with / that's a face I'd never forget." > In the poem, "Leaving Las Vegas," there is the comment made about "swapping penis size." > In another poem, "Me," there are the comments made about "firm breasts" and later that "my breasts won't always be firm." > > TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT > The comments made about physical harm in the song, "Daddy." > The reference to the KKK in "Daddy." > The meaning and use of the words "faggot" and "Jew." > In "Adrian," there is a suggestion that the boy in the song is in a coma. > > VIOLENCE > The song "Daddy" contains four disturbing comments made about doing physical harm to a father. The first is: "Sometimes I want to rip your throat > out." Second: "Sometimes I want to bash in your teeth, Daddy." Third: "Gonna use your tongue as a stamp." And lastly: "Gonna rip your heart out > the way you did mine, Daddy, / Go ahead and psychoanalyze that." > The song, "Pieces Of You," has the phrase: "She's an ugly girl, does it make you want to kill her / She's an ugly girl, do you want to kick in her > face." You'll laugh in part, but rememebr that many parents won't sit down and listen to something themselves and make a decision about it. I've seen too many people get to college and jsut loose it because they never experinced anything because they lived in a parentally controlled shell until they were 18. So teh moral? Don't grow up to be a parent who reads reviews and believes them. Educate your children. I'm not a parent, heck, i'm still in school... and talk to your parents about this stuff... It's sad that ultra conservative reviews like this can destroy art. Your production design/architecture angel (where's my coffee?!!?!?!) The Juan, The Only, The Bobo John M. P. Athayde eljuanbobo@list.org http://list.org/~bobo/ bobo@meticulous.com http://www.meticulous.com/ "And the world does turn and if London burns I'll be standing on the beach with my guitar I wanna play in a band when i get to heaven Anyone can play guitar..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:53:40 +0200 From: Sharon Peleg Subject: Adrian I was wondering, is Adrian about a true story? I was just curious about that. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:55:58 -0800 From: kallisti23@juno.com Subject: Re: About Daddy On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:17:33 -0500 Micheal Mace writes: >Now that someone has mentioned Daddy, I got a question/something to >say: > >I heard that Jewel wrote this song about a friends dad who would not >let >his kids watch a show cause it had a black dude in it......... > >ok, so where does that fit in with the song? The only part I can see >fitting in with the explantion is "I saw you sneak out your window >with >your white hood daddy" > >But the rest.....sorry...can't see that.....the rest of the song talks >about a worthless dad...but just because someone is racist doesn't >make >them a bad father, except when the subject of race comes up.... > Alot of times when an artist writes somthing, its inspiration is very hard to see wihtin the written words. Especially if the writer dosnt want to directly point a finger. Theres nothing that says "That which is is what must be" when writing, so you need not write down everything taht happend around whatever event your poem is describing. Besides, sometimes its just not asthetically pleasing that way :) Chances are, she used the father that we've all heard about as a model for a worthless father, and let her creativity run away with it. Id be willing to wager a healthy 10spot that there are a few other people thrown into this song as well... and probably a few from her imagination. You could just as easily pick apart the song because it is written in first person, and not about Jewel's father. A poet is allowed to take several liberties with their writing for the sake of making it sound better on the ear, and modifying events, trumping them up, or using one bit of true information and expounding upon that. Thats where the creativeity comes in...otherwise, she'd just be writing stories :) My .02 on that. I guess topics on poetic interpretation facinate you if you want to become an english teacher... and not often otherwise :) Kerry The SCAdian Angel "What do you call an An Tirian without a date? Sheepless in Seattle" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:45:23 -0800 From: Jan Winters Subject: Re: About Daddy hi angels; alright daddy....i got the jewel tape way back when, back in the day and my great friend liz listenned to it. now she's all ska and punk chick and she died when she heard the song. right when she was complaining that jewel was too sweet, too innocent, too phoney, she heard daddy. her father's a real jerk. he actualy did yell because her door was half open. so on....when my parents heard the song they laughed. and my father even said "deserves the man right for treating a girl like that. for her to go out and right a song about it". then i learned about the meaning behind daddy, i listenned closely and heard the part about leaving with your white hood then i heard another version of daddy, one that mentions liking the cosby show and bringing home a black man. i think in that version she's a lot madder and it was in a concert. real great version. i think, not sure, but i think that the song daddy was started by that family in alaska and watching the jeffersons but that's just the core of the song, then she came up with writing about just a real horrible father. kat imperfect angel ps if anyone would like some steve poltz food i got some. it's a double tape from a concert at java joes on april 11, jewel sings a few songs with him , silver lining, YWMFM, and another one. also she sings some angel song, just passing time and one other song alone. it's a real great tape, so if anyone wants to make a trade email me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:59:50 EST From: JewelEDA21 Subject: NJC: MASS./BOSTON EDA's, read plz Hey there- I am Sebastien, in case you dont know me :) I am currently living in South Florida, but I am going to Boston in August for university (BU), I was wondering if all of the Boston area EDA's could send me their names, as I would lov to stage/help plan/attend an EDA gathering there, and also have a nice EDA show me around. :) Thanks so much! luv, Sebastien (The ice-Hockey playing, Original Yodeling Swiss Angel) :P {\o/} /_\ Angelfood + More Page: http://members.aol.com/JewelEDA21/tapes.html ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #182 ***************************