From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #768 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * To unsubscribe send an email to jewel-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email. jewel-digest Monday, September 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 768 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hi everyone!! [Jewel40964@aol.com] Quetsion for new album [PENNY16161@aol.com] Laurie A. Seidman's letter to EW ["George S Stagani" ] YWMFM IMPORT [ARBY@webtv.net (Richard Bentrewicz)] Re: What Constitutes a Tape Tree? [PeaFace76@aol.com] Re: Stephanie Kartolopolous and Thanksgiving [CornflkGl@aol.com] Re: Stephanie Kartolopolous and Thanksgiving [the emperor of smurfs Subject: Laurie A. Seidman's letter to EW Laurie, I think we would all love to be able to read the letter that you sent to Entertainment Weekly in support of Jewel. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:53:46 -0400 From: dan Subject: birthday list attn: people who have sent me there bday's they're up now go to ! The non angel! Dan! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:22:38 -0400 From: ARBY@webtv.net (Richard Bentrewicz) Subject: YWMFM IMPORT hi i saw that some of you were interested in the import "ywmfm" single with cold song and rocker girl on it. just wanted to let you guys know that i found it at "the wall" music store about a month ago. i've seen the wall in massachusetts, not sure were else they are. anyways, good luck!!! rich ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: PeaFace76@aol.com Subject: Re: What Constitutes a Tape Tree? hi! i was hoping that one of you thoughtful eda's could fill me in. i just joined a feww days ago and i have no idea what a jewel tree is, and what angelfood is. so if someone could please e-mail me and tell me what those are i'd be most apreciative. thanks-pea PeaFace76@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: Stephanie Kartolopolous and Thanksgiving In a message dated 9/21/97 1:48:24 AM, Jared wrote: << I'd like to suggest that we all donate $15 to fly Stephanie to San Diego for Thanksgiving with Tom and Nancy. After all, doing this like this is the reason why Jewel calls us "EDAs">> You know what ? I think this is a great idea. Iv'e been getting a little upset because some of the the posts to the list about helping Steph have been somewhat accusatory- they seem to say " How dare you now help Steph out right now". I feel bad because, even though I'm not a Boston area EDA, I considered having her stay with me, and when I realized it wasn't a possibility, I felt like I was a terrible person for not being able to do it. I think it's important for everyone to remember that sometimes people can't help the way that they'd like to, and nobody has the right to accuse them of wrongdoing or not caring about others. However, I CAN help out by giving money to help Steph to fly to Thanksgiving out in San Diego. I'd love to go myself, but _I_ don't have the money :). However, we can easily get the funds together, even if just 50 angels contribute. I'd like to offer to run this project, or help out Jared and Phil as a kinda third-coordinator thingy :). I can get the tickets and give them to her in Boston ( probably ). I can also set up a web site so that people know how much $ has been given so far. Whaddaya say, guys ? :) Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: the emperor of smurfs Subject: Re: Stephanie Kartolopolous and Thanksgiving > Most of us will be spending the Thanksgiving holidays with our families, > but Stephanie doesn't have the option of going home to her family nor does > she have the money to fly from Boston to San Diego for thanksgiving with the > EDAs. could you please explain WHY she can't go home? was she a victim of sexual abuse? or did she spill paint in the garage? or does her family not allow her to watch Frasier? i hate to sound like a jerk, but i think we should hear thr TOTALITY of the circumstances before we are asked to donate. if her family is threatening physical harm, then i fully understand that she would be in danger and can't go home. but if she had an argument, then i think that the holidays are the perfect time of year to patch things up. if her parents and family are worried and concerned about her, then i wouldn't want to be involved in an effort to completely break up a family. i really think we need to be told WHY she ran away > I'd like to suggest that we all donate $15 to fly Stephanie to San Diego > for Thanksgiving with Tom and Nancy. After all, doing this like this is the > reason why Jewel calls us "EDAs" actually, if i were unemployed and homeless i'd rather have cash in hand so i could use it to buy food for more than one day. for example, if a plane tickets roundtrip from Boston costs $400.00, she could buy two months worth of food with the money rather than having all that money spent in one day. harry chapin used to say that while he appreciated the notion of having thanksgiving hunger drives, they didn't always accomplish the total purpose of ending hunger. for example, although children bring canned good into school around thanksgivingtime, we still have people that are hungry on the other days of the year. what can we do to stop hunger on the day after thanksgiving, and the day after that, etc. i personally am not sure if a plane ticket is the proper gift to an unemployed homeless person. i have a feeling that she'd be best serves with money to buy food, clothing, and maybe use towards getting some shelter. maybe i am just bitter and cynical, but i'd think of myself as being realistic and practical. take a moment and put yourself in the shoes of an unemployed homeless person, and think about what you'd prefer. peace, dave *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org "Innocence Maintained" is a moderated, news only email list providing its subscribers with timely information about Jewel Kilcher. If you would like to learn more about subscribing to IM or you have a news item to contribute, please email me. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Wimbley83@aol.com Subject: *NJC* D'Addario website I got a lot of responses to my post about FREE Jewel posters at the D'Addario website. Apparently, the site is down. That IS the correct address for D'Addario. One more time: www.daddario.com/ I don't know when it'll be back up, but (the other) Ryan told me the poster was pretty cool. Ryan P.S.- The other Ryan and I are trying to work out the name thing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:14:01 PDT From: "Brandon Nguyen" Subject: Common Ground Concert was great! Hello EDA's!!! The concert was simply incredible. Jewel rocked the place with her band and soothed us with her magical voice. I was able to snap a few pictures of her but don't know how the quality will be like. I went to Java Joes and met a few EDA's and some at the concert. Carrie, Mike, Marcus, Sinjin, Jimmy, Igor and a few more that I forgot the names of...sorry fellas. I almost got her autograph at the end but she had to leave...Jewel looked incredible as usual. Her setlist included: Near You Always Sometimes It Be That Way Daddy Don't Pieces of You Down Love Me Just Leave Me Alone Enter from the East Angel Standing By Amen I'm Sensitive Morning Song Foolish Games YWMFM WWSYS Deep Water w/ Lenedra Face of Love W/ Steve Poltz Silver Lining I Though I Saw You Last Night There were a few other Songs she sang but I don't remember which ones. Brandon Always an EDA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:33:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Timtarheel@aol.com Subject: *9/20 Common Ground: setlist, comments, and questions... 0:) Fellow EDAs: I think that by simply saying... "THAT WAS THE MOST INCREDIBLY AWESOME THING THAT I HAVE EVER BEEN A PART OF!" ...my feelings on Jewel's SD concert will be appropriately conveyed. =) I managed to scribble down the set list as well (in basic chronological order): STEVE POLTZ: (...I forgot to write down the first couple of his songs...) I THOUGHT I SAW YOU (W/ JEWEL) SILVER LINING (W/ JEWEL) IMPALA OF MY LOVE JEWEL KILCHER: NEAR ME ALWAYS DON'T EVERYTHING BREAKS SOMETIMES LITTLE SISTER PIECES OF YOU STRANGER SOMETIMES IT BE THAT WAY THE FACE OF LOVE (W/ MOM: NEDRA) FRAGILE FLAME DADDY I'M SENSITIVE DEEP WATER OLD LOVER'S HOUSE (W/ STEVE POLTZ) MAKING ME BLUE (W/ STEVE POLTZ) SATTELITE (W/ BAND) BEEN DOWN FOR SO LONG (W/ BAND) WHO WILL SAVE YOUR SOUL (W/ BAND) LOVE ME JUST LEAVE ME ALONE (W/ BAND) DOWN - ELECTRIC! (W/ BAND) some PATTI SMITH song - ELECTRIC! (W/ BAND) MORNING SONG (W/ BAND) CARNIVORE (W/ BAND) YOU WERE MEANT FOR ME (W/ BAND) FOOLISH GAMES (W/ BAND) *JEWEL ENCORE* ANGEL STANDING BY -- my personal favorite! :) AMEN [28 songs for Jewel total!!! WOW! she is amazing .... :)] For those of you that attended the concert as well -- I was wondering if anyone TAPED (audio or otherwise) the show. I would REALLY LOVE to have a copy of my FIRST and most special Jewel concert!! Thank you all, in advance... Tim 0:) {\o/} /_\ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB- Jared & Armand This unfortunate message is a VERY LONG TIME COMING & its something I sincerely hoped never would happen. But unfortunately I'm backed into a corner..... Jared Jacobus aka Superdeformed Angel (& his EDA harrassing roomate Armand aka Burrittohexd) has disturbed both me & my wife on numerous occasions. Off the list, they've individually caused this list & listmembers many problems over the past year or more. Some of these problems most listmembers are completely unaware of. I have kept most of these things to myself (for Jared's benefit), but I now am in a position where Jared has threatened me by passing on "half truths" & flat out lies regarding me to several other list members. Therefore I'm forced to deal with this situation in "one fell swoop" by airing dirty laundry to you all. Last night I treated Jared in a threatening (but truthful) way regarding the latest in a series of problems he or his roomate/best friend continue to cause. There were reasons I treated him this way that he neglects to tell others when bitching about my general attitude toward him. He thought it a good idea to pass my private IMs around to anyone who'd read them. Therefore,I encourage him to send my IM argument to anyone who'd enjoy reading it. Ask him for a copy. But keep in mind the following while reading it & allow me to toss another side of the picture into the ring. Here's the short list of disturbing things that Jared or Armand have done to me personally or to friends of mine leading me to deal with him & his best friend/roomate in such a disrespectful manner: 1.When an EDA who was extremely upset & trying to help a suicidal friend, asked for list help, Jared encouraged suicide as "the noble thing to do". 2. After already knowing Jewel & Lenedra's wishes for no Angelfood CDs, Jared took steps to set up manufacturing of Jewelstock CDs with a manufacturer in NJ (He jeopardized the entire JS Tape distribution at the time & is a contributing reason the electric sets will not be distributed at all.). Due to this, Lenedra denied him from getting the tapes through the tree at all. 3. Jared attempted to bribe both Mike & me financially for digital copies of JS. 4. Jared has attempted to get me to betray Jewel & Lenedra's trust on numerous occasions so that he could have better generation tapes. Unsuccessfully, of course. 5. Jared constantly tells me how unhappy he is with EVERY free tape distribution we've ever done.. Seems he's unable to appreciate these things as the "gifts" they are. He wants it done "his way". 6. Jared has made several unfounded accusations to other listmembers privately against the organizers of the EDAFoundation. One of these was incredibly vicious & primarily based on a lack of information on his part. All done without a suggestion on how to improve things, I might add. 7. Jared & Armand have made it their personal mission to destroy the reputations of Jewel List management. Jared has sent threatening emails of his own to say so & to people who are my friends. 8. Armand has sent disturbing IM's to both my wife (& my 12 year old niece!), not to mention me, on numerous occasions "just for the fun of it". According to his profile, his goal in life is to harrass EDAs. I should've given up on these two over a year ago, but I actually have attempted on several occasions to reason with Jared. I even went so far as convincing Lenedra to allow him the JS tapes from me personally once the album was released. Now he treats me with complete disrespect, by spreading my private argument with him to other list members. Thats fine & dandy but its the end of the road for my patience with Jared & his best friend/roomate Armand. He's told me many times (even though I have nothing to do with list management) that everyone is much better off if he starts another Jewel list run the way he sees fit. I've always encouraged him to just do it & stop yacking about it. THATS the part of the picture Jared so conveniently leaves out when bitching about me to many of you. He may believe Jewel is his "good friend" but I certainly am not. I could go on, but thats enough. Anyone who thinks I'm a jerk for treating these two the way I did, I'm sorry you feel that way. I want nothing more to do with either of these people & nothing anyone says is going to make me feel any different. Jared is welcome to complain to Jewel, Lenedra, the list or Cindy Lee's management about me (some of which he's unsuccessfully done already, much to his own embarassment). I've met hundreds of you & spoken to hundreds more over the past two years. I think my history & actions speak for themselves. I've only ever had a "never-ending" problem with these two people & I'm tired of it. I ask no-one to pass judgement due to my experience. But I refuse to idly sit by knowing what Jared is up to behind my back. I'm not asking for any feedback from anyone. Am I embarrassed to have to say all this & stoop to their level? You betcha! Do I feel like its my only alternative? Yes I do. Thank you for listening. MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Subject: Tara Free Show this Friday at Arlene's Grocerie! *NJC**TC* Hey all you lovely EDA's and In-The-Wingers... I started getting psyched about this free show when I heard it was All Ages... So.. those of you that plan on going - it's in NYC - i'm not sure what street but I'm sure someone can fill you in - PLEASE EMAIL ME.. I'd like to start a list of people planning to attend - ITWers AND EDA's... And have some kind of symbol that you can all identify so we don't have any people missing out on meeting us... There are possibilities of pre-festivity meeting places.. but we'll get that figured out during the week... I will post updates every two days or so until THE day.. which would mean 2 posts :) hehehe so please reply if you're going and i'll make a list - easy as pie :) ttyl lovies - -linda the lovable Tara-psyched angel :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Subject: Re: Stephanie Kartolopolous and Thanksgiving I couldn't help but reply to this, knowing part of Stephanie's situation and reasons why she can't return home... Let me just say... that you don't _need_ to know... from my standpoint it's pretty bad and let's just say she _left_ she didn't do anything wrong.. she's an adult and she has her perfectly good reasons... > if her family is threatening physical harm, then i fully understand that > she would be in danger and can't go home. but if she had an argument, > then i think that the holidays are the perfect time of year to patch > things up. I'm sorry but since I have no place to say anything about Steph and her situation alll I can say is that although you may be right in some cases.. Steph's unfortunately cannot be included.. > a family. i really think we need to be told WHY she ran away i personally believe that it's her private business.. We may be a close knit group but problems with families that are so mind-staggering to have her move away don't really _need_ to be shared > actually, if i were unemployed and homeless i'd rather have cash in hand > so i could use it to buy food for more than one day. for example, > if a plane tickets roundtrip from Boston costs $400.00, she could buy > two months worth of food with the money rather than having all that money > spent in one day. she's not a homeless bum living up there - she's trying to get a place and a job... She's just like anyone of us except she's temporarily on the lower rung right now... I'm sure she'd really enjoy it if some EDA's wanted to send her to California to be with the people she loves.. > harry chapin used to say that while he appreciated the notion of having > thanksgiving hunger drives, they didn't always accomplish the total > purpose of ending hunger. for example, although children bring canned > good into school around thanksgivingtime, we still have people that > are hungry on the other days of the year. what can we do to stop > hunger on the day after thanksgiving, and the day after that, etc. she's not going hungry! she's not sitting on the corner in dirty tattered clothes with a cup in her hand... She's just a jewel-esque kinda girl right now.. living out of her car and fulfilling her ambition to read poetry... I think you're sadly mistaken as to the caliber of her situation.. it's not as bad as you seem to think it is > i personally am not sure if a plane ticket is the proper gift > to an unemployed homeless person. i have a feeling that she'd be best > serves with money to buy food, clothing, and maybe use towards > getting some shelter. She has plenty of clothes hon adn I'm sure she has tapes and music to listen to... She's not living the bad life.. she's just trying to find a job so she can find herself an apartment or something.. > maybe i am just bitter and cynical, but i'd think of myself as being > realistic and practical. take a moment and put yourself in the shoes > of an unemployed homeless person, and think about what you'd prefer. although it would be heartbreaking to put myself in the shoes of an unemployed homeless person, i don't see the relevance of it to this post.. Stephanie is an EDA.. someone who just last month was on irc talking to people.. she's not dead.. and she's not sitting in a sewer or something.. hShe's just hit a tought spot.. adn I'm sorry for posting this to the list but I wanted to point out to everyone that Stephanie really isn't in danger of hanging out at soup kitchens... unless she's the one serving the soup.. cuz we know how much steph likes to do things like that... :) ttyl - -linda the lovable angel :) : (\/) Linda the Lovable Angel {\o/} http://www.carsey.net/~spice : : \/ spice@castle.carsey.net e/d\a : :"Cuz being in love just means calling places when you can't afford the : : bill. Cuz we all got these tiny love spaces that we need to fill" : : -Jewel - "Tiny Love Spaces" : ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #768 ***************************