From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #616 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, July 31 1997 Volume 02 : Number 616 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ANGEL NEEDS A RIDE & EDA Events/LRT's [Linda the Every Day Angel ] Re: Jones Beach -- August 31st [Joelies@aol.com] LC good news about Mr BB and the list gang + a bad cow joke ["Adrian du ] Re: Could it get worse?/please read.. [Trueblu4u1@aol.com] jewel in (yet) another magazine [RPQL31B@prodigy.com ( JEANNIE RIESS)] Jewel Songs [Dawlsguy@aol.com] I DON'T GET IT! [RPQL31B@prodigy.com ( JEANNIE RIESS)] Re: Bye from MrBB [ANDYMAN878@aol.com] Q: What do you get if you stand under a cow? ["Adrian du Plessis" ] LC: Maintaining Our Innocence [Crunch ] Let's Relax & quit posting 'get well soon' to list ["Mark Anthony Miazga"] The Best Way to Cut Down [JDeanrulz@aol.com] Re: MrBB-Touring Updates for USA & UK [red_ranger@juno.com (Nick the blur] how would jewel feel? [HCCZ70C@prodigy.com ( SARAH MERRITT)] NOTE 07/31/97 10:04:00 [tayamaj@nationwide.com] NJC: [TJtalken@aol.com] NJC : Response To Other Post [Derek ] saturday night live [pres2@juno.com (Phillip a brady)] LC : Deep Water ["Rachel :D" ] Re: jewel-digest V2 #614 [Starla827@aol.com] Jewel Songs [gregdunn@indy.net] this list... [SM_KARTALOPO@ACAD.FANDM.EDU] Re: NOTE 07/31/97 10:04:00 [James McGarry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda the Every Day Angel Subject: ANGEL NEEDS A RIDE & EDA Events/LRT's Okee dokee here's my schedule... I'm going to Tammy's LRT saturday and Ali just invited me to go to the Sunday one at Selena's and stuff so i'll get to thatlater.. I might go to jared's LRT a few days before the August 13th Lilith Fair in Scranton.. The thing with Selena's LRT - I'll need a ride... and I don't have her email so I can't write her back So if you can give me a ride please write back!!! I love you all so very much and hope this list's hope doesn't die, linda :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:36:46 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: NJC: favor for list veteran Robb Leigh Robb can't post to the list right now, but he wants to stay in touch with us till he can get back online for good. I hope this will be OK; Robb is a veteran and JewelStock attendee, who is one of the people worth keeping this list alive for. :-) >X-Sender: rleigh@mail.vt.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:35:18 +0600 >To: "Toni's Dad" >From: Robert Leigh >Subject: favor > >EDAs, > Do any of you live in Memphis, TN or near there? If so write me >(rleigh@vt.edu). I would really appreciate it. I'm moving there in the >next month and would like to know some people there. Thanks in advance. > Robb > >http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html - -- | Greg Dunn | And all you touch and all you see | | gregdunn@indy.net | Is all your life will ever be. | | GregDunn@aol.com | Pink Floyd | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Joelies@aol.com Subject: Re: Jones Beach -- August 31st This show is sold out. But *****sometimes****** Jones Beach has tickets the day of. It's a shot in the dark though. Heatherzinester ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:06:31 -0700 From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: LC good news about Mr BB and the list gang + a bad cow joke Hi all: Sounds like there's just some changes going on that'll be for the better for everybody. Mr BB will still be here and keep posting but he doesn't need all the headaches that his position was giving him (BTW, how do you get a backstage pass to Jewel shows??? Just kidding.) On a not entirely unrelated topic (well maybe it is unrelated) I just read a joke: "Q: What do you get if you stand under a cow? A: A pat on the head". Mike Connell and others are ready to move the list if need be, but that may not be necessary. The list owner Jeff has his own particular circumstances but it doesn't mean that anyone loves EDAs or Jewel or anything any less. It just means some things need a little maintenance. And that's gonna happen. Every family goes through it's rough patches. The list will survive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 02:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Trueblu4u1@aol.com Subject: Re: Could it get worse?/please read.. In a message dated 97-07-30 21:22:35 EDT, you write: << So we've lost Mr. BB. My heart sank (literally) when I read his post because I always saw him as one of the veterans who wouldn't give up on the list. If he's given up, what hope is left for the rest of us? I thought we were really making progress in turning things around. Apparently it was too little too late. This really ruined my whole day. Nathan >> Listen, Mr B.B isn't the only important person on the list. Because we're all important! If it wasn't for all of us, this list wouldn't be here. Just because people leave doesn't mean they take the list with them. Yes, they take a part of it with them, but not our part. We still have eachother. I just wish that would be enough. I don't want you guys to think I'm being selfish or mean, I just get so sad when people leave, and I started to realize that people come and go. There's nothing you or me can do about it. There is still hope for this list, because we all care sooo much! If you guyz want to leave because so many other people are, that's not right. You should be here because you love Jewel, and you love the people here. I know I'm not going anywhere, because I have people that are still on this list, and that still want to make it work. I'm sorry if I sound soo opinionated, it's only because I am. And, if you're thinking about flaming me...go ahead. Because flames don't mean sh*t to me! Flames are just a bunch of bad letters and words. But, love if something from the heart, and I'm more than willing to except that and give that. i hope you all are too! I love you all more than you will ever know! ~Christy P.S. Sorry if some of the spelling is bad, I had 5 minutes to type this. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 02:52:40, -0500 From: RPQL31B@prodigy.com ( JEANNIE RIESS) Subject: jewel in (yet) another magazine jewel has once again graced the inside of another unworthy magazine. she is in the aug. 97 issue of instyle magazine. it's a small (almost tiny) picture of jewel with model michel francoeur (this is her boyfriend right?). there is also an awesome (AWESOME) picture of christian slater. if you like fashion, i recommend getting this issue, but (unless you are truly jewel-obsessed!) if you're not the fashion type, i don't recommend getting the magazine for a tiny picture. i love you! i love you! i love you! love, jeannie ps it's on page 124 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawlsguy@aol.com Subject: Jewel Songs How many Jewel Songs are there? I only know of the ones in the album POY and the one in THE CRAFT. I have no Idea of songs other than this. The radio stations I listento only play songs like YWMFM and POY and Near You Always. Also has anyone reported on that CD Double? Does anyone know what that is all about? I wanna make sure its Legit before I order it. Nick the Angel standing By {\o/} /_\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:05:21, -0500 From: RPQL31B@prodigy.com ( JEANNIE RIESS) Subject: I DON'T GET IT! how come people write things in the subject like NJC: JEWEL IN SOME MAGAZINE or NJC: JEWEL THIS??? doesn't NJC mean no jewel content?? that's it, if anyone has an answer, please reply. i love you! i love you! i love you! love, jeannie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ANDYMAN878@aol.com Subject: Re: Bye from MrBB To all EDA's, Sorry to take up server space, but it saddens me to see MrBB go, it is terrible that things have gotten to the point that he no longer wants to be a part of the list. He will be missed. andyman the crazy, but loveable, angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:05:44 -0700 From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: Q: What do you get if you stand under a cow? A: A pat on the head (Reprinted by popular request -- and, besides, laughter helps. If I learn any more cow jokes I promise to share them with all EDAs.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:27:05 -0500 From: BeefJerky the Computer Dude Subject: Alan Bershaw's (MrBB) leaving :( This is a very sad event, as many people have said...He was probably the hardest working person on this list, and all on a volunteer basis. As he said, it is basically because he can't handle it all now, with all the flaming, hate and anger on this list. He did say that someday he may come back, and I surely hope he does! He also said that he will continue to keep us up to date (thanx Alan). I hope that this list gets back to it's warm, loving family atmosphere soon before this list does "die", or more important people leave. Alan will be sincerely missed! --BeefJerky ====================================================== Chris G. Wieland cwieland@mindspring.com cwieland@audiophile.com - ----------------------- CWI We build computers, and also provide PC tech support! Very reasonable rates! http://www.recycler.com/com/CWI// Mailto:cwi@usa.net Phone#:281-444-8011 ask for Chris ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 04:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda the Every Day Angel Subject: Re: Mr. BB (fwd) *NJC* I know i should cut down on the posts, but everyone - pleae read this... I got over 120 replies to my post and becaues of all of the wonderful angels on here.. I have figured out that life is too precious to die early.. but then i get replies like this... thank god the majority of you are kind enough to lend a hand when i'm in pain rather than to shove more into my face i love you all - -linda - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:29:20 PDT From: Elizabeth Sloan To: brownie@tsb.inet-images.com Subject: Re: Mr. BB >MrBB has driven >away from us!! What dark power has done this to us? You're one of them. Filling up our mailboxes with your manic-depressive "It's all your fault that I'm going to kill myself" crap. Try posting NOTHING for a while. Then maybe the list will remain. Try shutting up for a change. Maybe then you would be "lovable". Damned immature clueless brat. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:04:29 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: We're making it seem worse... gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn) wrote: >Ok, I'm really confused!! Why is it that all of a sudden EDA's that were >here even before me are leaving?? I really don't get it! It's like their >tired of us or something is that it?? Cause if it si then I might as well >unsubscribe as well........:( Okay guys...let's not get out of hand here. I know MrBB's leaving us is a big shock, but we can't let that stop us from reviving this list. If you think about it, this list isn't really that bad. We're making it seem like that. We're being carried away here. This list can sooo easily be back to the way it was before. Think about it first...we all know what we have to do. So why not just do it and stop talking about leaving or blaming yourself or others. We should just forget all the bad things that have happened in the past and move on. Here's a letter from Jewel that was posted a long time ago. I'd like to repost it: ====================================== My fellow music lovers- I can't begin to portray to you the feeling of a dream coming true- I know it sounds corny, but it's so true. And useful. I was just a girl who was tired of waitressing and people believed in me and fed me by coming to my shows. Without my friends in San Diego, and now this incredible new group of people across the country I would still be hungry in my van. Now I'm just hungry in a rent-a-car in 48 states in 40 days- but my heart loves it! 24 hours of this a day is better than three hours of waitressing. Sometimes record labels think they sell albums- but they don't- they help, but it's you guys who help me. So often our dreams become our hobbies and it deadens our passions. I love my life and want to thank you al. I know our lives are separate and that none of you have to care about my happiness, but that you do things like taking the time to call radio stations means a lot to me. I hope I can give back as much as I'm given. I wrote a song I'd like to dedicate to you all. It's called "Deep Water." I hope you can all hear it one day. Jewel Kilcher ====================================== You guys...listen to "Deep Water". Cuz right now, that's where we're at. Please don't go saying that you're going to leave because you think it's your fault! Just forget about it and stick around cuz your special, dammit! :) I'm going to stick around. I'm part of this group and damn proud of it. Through thick and thin, I'll always be and EDA. I hope you guys are with me on this, though I'll stand alone if I have to. Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absence of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:56:39 -0400 From: Damian Subject: NJC: Leaving for a month Well, I guess I'll be gone for a month to take a little vacation in Vietnam. I'll be unsubscribing tomorrow, I just wish this list will still exist when I come back. I've made many great friends on this list, too many to name y'all, but a big thanks to Gian who got me started in this list. It would be a pain to lose all these friends just because of little matters that could be solved without insults. This is it for me now, I'm leaving on Friday August 1st and I'll be back on the 31st. one final *hugz* for all of you :) Damian Nguyen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 05:31:56 -0400 From: Crunch Subject: LC: Maintaining Our Innocence =) Hello my friends! =) It is time for me to get very serious. That is not to say that I am angry- I am not. I may write some things that sound harsh at first, but please remember that I hold this lists angelic values high. I am just pointing out what I see to be the truth. I have been rather quiet the last few months, abiding by my rule that "negativity gone unrecognized dies away." I have gently tried to post positive posts in hopes that others will take note and do the same. Some have. Others have not. I think it is time for me to voice a few opinions that I have kept close and silent. =) Peter Jones recently asked me a solemn question: "Have you given any thought to fading away?" The answer is "yes", however I have not and will not. It is so important that each of us constantly question the importance that this list plays to us. By questioning its importance, and then making the descision to stay, we form the dedicated core that sustains the list. It should be a "choice" we remain. Many of us have made that choice! =) Those that are unsure of the value of this list should not be subscribed to it. Those with blatant disrespect for netiquette should be unsubscribed. Should they choose to resubscribe, we will be glad to have them until they do it again. This is not a totalitarian attitude. It is just a request that if you become part of us, please respect us. (I very well understand the difference between an opinion and disrespect.) =) In the last six weeks, a most disturbing and damaging thread surfaced. It was a thread that mocked the EDAs. It compared the EDAs to cults, churches, and religons. At the time, I choose to ignore the thread, letting itself beat itself into the ground. It did. I was of the thought that it would run, and although insulting, it would be forgotten. It has not. =) Most of us discarded that thread as a few people venting frustration with... something. But what is did was belittle and degrade the "family" atmosphere that has involved this lists members since the beginning. It designified the EDAs as merely a mailing list, nothing special from the other thousand mailing lists out there. It made us generic, took away the special feeling that we felt about our community. It plundered our individuality and pride. =) I underestimated this thread when I first saw it. But when I caught myself beginning to deeply question my involment in the many projects I have been and will be involved with on this list, I stepped back to think. Over- analysis? I've been accused before. However, look at the beginning of that thread, then look at the the rapid decline of list moral. It is a real tangible change. And in that same damaging period, came a good thing, a positive thing: the evolution of the EDAs. =) As I said before, it is a healthy thing to question your commitments. We must each make the choice again to be part of this community. And if we make that choice, with it comes the commitment to the standards, values, and love that "EveryDay Angels" means. We should ALL be unsubscribed from the list. It is a little bit of hassle to resubscribe, but if the EDAs aren't worth it, don't do it! (Besides, it would redistribute the FAQ!). =) The point is, it is time to clean up. And the clean up is actually very simple and fun. Lets all begin again. We are all timid strangers, meeting each pother for the first time. We are cautious of what we say or do in front of each other. First impressions last forever, you know! Lets grow again into a community that is courteous, caring, respectful, sensitive, and thoughtful. Remember, we were brought together by Jewel and these are the values that she sings to us. =) We are NOT just another mailing list. We are EVERYDAY ANGELS. That means lots of different things to each of us, but the meaning is not *much* different. Quite literally, it means to be an Angel Every Day. That is what we are! We ARE special in what we strive to uphold! We ARE special in what we will not tolerate! We ARE special in the way we have taken the questionable world of the internet and turned it into a thing of beauty and love! We ARE special in the gatherings we have! We ARE special in the enthusiasm with which we support artists. We ARE special pioneers of the frontier of internet communities! We ARE special! =) This list is not dying. It is restructuring. It is evolving. And as with most major change, things get worse before they get better. Well, it's time for things to get better! Some veterans are using this time to take a needed break from the front lines. Some of us are going to get more involved. Newer EDAs will step into the spotlights. And some will fade away. Together all of us can turn this around and start new! =) Administrative steps will be taken to clean the list up. They will be positive steps. Mike truly has our best wishes at heart! But, we can all take these steps on our own. These steps have been posted about time and time again: think before you post. If this list is not valuable to you, leave, please. If it is, please take the care and thought to make it a better place. Veterans, it is time to show your suppport with positive posts. New folk, it is time to take us old timers into the new list, dazzle us with your brilliance. =) Be an Angel Every Day ! Love you all! =) Crunch! =) And I do solemnly swear that this will be my last post this year that even borders on not-positive! =) =) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Subject: Let's Relax & quit posting 'get well soon' to list Okay, guys, I think it's time we stop posting little recipes for how to get the list better (i know, i know, I'm doing it right now), or about wrong turns we've made as a list, or finger-pointing, or bemoaning the loss of Mr. BB. We need to just take a step back, and ease up on our Jewel list. "If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it's yours. If it doesn't, it was never meant to be." The posts that keep talking about the demise of the list, the sadness it's causing, the changes in it... right now they're only making matters worse. They're reminding everyone about the problems. Let's just, for the time being, talk about Jewel. Not the list's health or diagnoses, but Jewel. This is just my $0.02, of course, but I know I'm very tired of reading the same "We're EDA's, and we've got to stick together" harangues over and over again, because all it does is remind me of what's going on. I think we've established what the problems with the list are, and high volume is a huge part of it, or at least the high noise content. Let's just relax for a few days, talk only about Jewel, and give the list time to breathe. This will certainly be my last post on the subject, and I hope it's the last one we have to read for a while. -- Mark - -- Mark A. Miazga Michigan State University miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI USA "During sex, my girlfriend always wants to talk to me. Why, just the other day she called me from the hotel." -- Rodney Dangerfield ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: JDeanrulz@aol.com Subject: The Best Way to Cut Down Howdy to All of my fellow EDAs Hi y'all. Tis new-member JD here. As I was reading my HUGE bundle of e-mail tonight, it suddenly struck me how to cut down on our posts. The best way would be to knock off all of the SAVE THE LIST stuff and the WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE LIST stuff. Let's face it, we all end up saying the same thing over and over again anyway. If you have a problem with an NJC post someone made e-mail them personally. Don't put it up on the list. If you have a problem with the general number of NJC posts, e-mail the list owner(Jeff). After all it is his list and he is entitled to say what is okay and what is not okay on the list. I figure we could probably cut back on our posts by 50% by just cutting out all of the excess SAVE THE LIST posts. Don't get me wrong I appreciate why all of you are posting them. I have only been a member for a few days and allready I love it. But the time for talk is over. What we need to do know is act. So please, Keep the List Beautiful: Conserve Space!. Thanx for listening to my two-cents. Sincerely, JD "The Acting Angel" "If you get a penny for your thoughts but have to put your two cents in....Whose getting the extra penny?" PS I know this very post makes me a hippocrate but forgive me. I am weak. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:10:14 -0700 From: red_ranger@juno.com (Nick the blurred Angel) Subject: Re: MrBB-Touring Updates for USA & UK >97/08/05 Austin City Limits, Austin,TX TV What does the TV at the end of it mean? Is it going to be on TV? Nick the blurred angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:56:34, -0500 From: HCCZ70C@prodigy.com ( SARAH MERRITT) Subject: how would jewel feel? I was wondering if Jewel knew about the list troubles...not that she would be devastated, although I don't really know, but I think if she knew that the list was dying, she might be upset. I didn't go to Jewelstock, but the fact that she played a private concert for the EDAs shows how much it means to her. If she found out that her most loyal fan base was breaking apart, I think she might not be so happy. I'm just hoping that maybe this gives some incentive to some people to stay on the list, or try harder not to be mean, or whatever it may take to stop the list from going further in its downward spiral. I just find it curious that no one has really posted about the reason that this list was created when it seems to get kind of shaky. Anyway, just my thoughts. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:23:44 -0400 From: tayamaj@nationwide.com Subject: NOTE 07/31/97 10:04:00 I asked this earlier and was wondering if anyone knew if the Jewel show up in Cleveland at the Nautica stage is sold out? This is a great venue, small and good sound. Let me know if you can. Thanks. Also, how about the Toledo Zoo show? - -Jeff- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) From: TJtalken@aol.com Subject: NJC: Hey everyone you make it sound like alan (Mr. BB) is dead or something. well, he's not. so cheer up it's not the end of the world. mike's gonna save this list and things will be peachy in edaland once again. but i'm looking for matt, i keep screwing up your dubbing and did it *again* and need you to e-mail me your address. if that's not you ignore it. and i'd add some jewel content but i can't keep up with any that's not already mentioned. so can't wait to meet ya'all at the LRT's. duff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:29:54 -0400 From: Derek Subject: NJC : Response To Other Post I just recently joined the mailing list and I'm not quite sure what I'm doing. I signed up for AAN program as well hoping that will help. I'm just waiting for a parent. I have never written in yet, but after reading someone else's post, I felt I had to. She wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 03:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: COBRDSSI@aol.com Subject: To All of You EDA's! Hi! I just got onto this Jewel mailing list last night but I have really learned alot by reading all of the EDA's posts on here. All of you sound like such amazing people who are all drawn together by a common love for Jewel. I have been a big fan of Jewel's for about two years now. Her music is so beautiful and truthful, I feel like I can relate to most of her songs. It's not very often that you can find somebody like that in this world today. I especially like Jewel because she a good role model, she inspires people especially me to be as great as you can be because we are all everyday angels. I think that is fantastic message to send out to people, most role models make people want to be like them, Jewel makes you want to be a better person for yourself. My most prized possesion is her autograph that I received care of my neighbor who is good friends with her and her mom. I have it framed and it sits up on by bookcase. Well, thank you for taking the time to read this long message. I feel privileged to be an EDA, and look forward to getting to know you better in the future. I was also wondering how many of you EDA's live in Arizona, I live in Phoenix. Thanx. - - -An angel who just got her wings- Jess I think that sums it up BEAUTIFULLY! She said everything I was thinking (and I'm sure others are thinking). I just wanted everyone to get a chance to hear her thoughts once again and remember how wonderful you all are and how much this list means to so many. Keep Up The Good Work! Derek :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:48:21 DST From: pres2@juno.com (Phillip a brady) Subject: saturday night live I was just watching JEWEL on snl. She was just in the middle of wwsys and I believe she made a major mistake! she was just starting the verse when she stuttered then she just started to skat (for those of you who do not know, skatting is what she does at the end of wwsys, just making up syllables as you go along). After she got back on track she sounded pretty nervous. If anyone else noticed this please respond. Phillip Brady _ {\o/} /_\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:59:42 -0400 From: "Rachel :D" Subject: LC : Deep Water Guys... I know that everyone is really freaked out by Alan leaving. I was too, until I calmed down and realized that the only person this list NEEDS at the moment is Jeff Wasilko. He posted telling us to cut down on posts, but we've all gone a bit wonky in the past few days and posted about how the list is dying... one person was incredibly smart, and posted a letter that Jewel wrote to us a while back. In it she mentioned that she dedicated "Deep Water" to us. It's one of my favorite songs. If you've never heard it, please read carefully and think about the words. If you HAVE heard it, try reading it again without the music playing in your head. It's beautiful, and it's incredibly appropriate right now. Deep Water - -------------- When you find yourself falling down Your hopes in the sky but your heart,like grape gum, on the ground And you try to scrape yourself up But you keep seeping out like cheap gin through a broken cup And you try to find yourself In the abstractions of religion and the cruelties of everyone else And when you're standing in deep water And you're bailing yourself out with a straw When you're drowning in deep water And you wake up making love to a wall Well, it's these little times that help to remind It's nothing without love Love, love, it's nothing without love When you realize your only friend Has never been yourself, or anyone who cared in the end And you wake up to see all your dreams have been compromised Our standard of living somehow got stuck on survive That's when suddenly everything fades or falls away 'Cause the chains which once held us are only the chains which we've made We sacrifice our pride, compromise our health We must demand more, not of eachother, but more from ourselves 'Cause when you're standing in deep water And you're bailing yourself out with a straw When you're drowning in deep water And you wake up making love to a wall Well, it's these little times that help to remind It's nothing without love Love, love, it's nothing without love Love, Rachel :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Starla827@aol.com Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #614 Hi I am new to this list and want to say hi. I just got Pieces of you and I love it. It is so awesome. That is the only thing I have by Jewel. How many others are there and where can I get them. Thanks a bunch Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:13:49 -0500 (EST) From: gregdunn@indy.net Subject: Jewel Songs "Dawlsguy@aol.com said:" > > How many Jewel Songs are there? I only know of the ones in the album POY and > the one in THE CRAFT. I have no Idea of songs other than this. The radio > stations I listento only play songs like YWMFM and POY and Near You Always. We need someone to present a complete song list. Does this exist on a web site anywhere? All the sites I have bookmarked are either concert set lists or tabs/chords for a fraction of the songs. Jewel has over 200 songs which have actually been performed live, right? If no one else has put together a list, I'd be glad to coordinate this. - -- | Greg Dunn | And all you touch and all you see | | GregDunn@aol.com | Is all your life will ever be. | | gregdunn@indy.net | Pink Floyd | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:10:31 -0500 (EST) From: SM_KARTALOPO@ACAD.FANDM.EDU Subject: this list... Dear Angels, I just wanted to take a moment to tell you all how much I love you. In the past seven months that I have been on this list you have brought me so much joy, you have taught me about the meaning of unconditional love, and you have filled up my soul with hope. You have become my family. Recently, this list has faced many alarming things which have brought on some hard decisions and what I perceive to be an overwhelming weariness. Some EDAs have unsubscribed, others have threatened to, and even more still fear this list's demise. It saddens me to see posts where people doubt the vitality of this list and fear it's complete end. As cliche as it may sound, I would like to remind you of something a young female artist holds as a sort of philosophy: hands manifest thought. Do you want this list to stay together? Do you want this list to die? It is through the sentiment that this list *will* die and that there is an overwhelming likelihood that it will die that this list sees its greatest weakness and eventual downfall. It is important to keep faith, hope, and perspective. This list can and will survive. Not only can it survive, but it can continue to live and thrive. This list has become more than merely an email list; to some it has become a community, to some a circle of friends, and to others still, a family. Please, do not lost hope or faith. Think about all this list has done for you and all we have done for each other. Do you remember the first time you met an EDA? I do. I met Tom Miles, and the day I met him we spent 8 hours together, laughing, talking, hanging out, and forming a bond which has brought the two of us so close that we have become brother and sister. Do you remember the first EDA get together you attended? I do. I went to Great Adventure in May. I met Tammy and Rob who have shown me what it means to care for someone so genuinely and so unconditionally. I met Dennis Harris, Adam Longfellow, Mia, Farr, and so many others for whom I have great soft spots. The memories of that weekend are INCREDIBLE. I remember Ted and various EDAs scheming on how to beat the long lines for various rides at Great Adventure. I remember the moment when everyone discovered how INCREDIBLY ticklish I am. I remember Tegan showing me all of her great Melissa Ethridge and Jewel pictures. I remember the realization of the overwhelming support I have gotten and continue to get from all of you for my poetry, my art, my passions, and my dreams. I remember the hugs, the laughs, and the tears of extreme joy. I remember saying goodbye to people as Tom, Christina Ferrara, Josh Baummer, and I turned to come home and having tears in my eyes that were mixed-the sadness of having to part from people who have come to mean so much to me and the joy in knowing that, since our souls have embraced each other's, we will never ever *truly* part from each other. Think about how we have all come together for special projects. Remember the JPK Trust? The blood drive? Think about how, together, we have helped people. Try to picture Tara MacLean's smile whenever someone introduces him or herself as an EDA. Try to imagine the joy that Cindy Lee Berryhill and Elizabeth Hummel must have felt during and after the EDA Cafe...that joy was so great that they are now doing our innaugural Living Room Tour. Hold sight of all this. Please. No, this list is not dying. Yes, there are some 'glitches' which need to be fixed and some guidelines which will be enforced, but we should leave that up to Mike Connell. He has invested such a great amount of time already, all of which he has volunteered. He wouldn't do this and continue to do this if he did not have faith in all of us. He would not be trying so hard to make sure that this list does *not* fall apart if he did not have faith in and love for this list and all of us. When I think about all this in that light, I think it is so beautiful...that there are people who care *that much* in a world which seems so cynical and cold. Mike did I ever tell you how much I love you? I really do. I hope that you always know that. And I hope that you know how greatful I am for everything you have done not only for this list but for me. I treasure our conversations, and actually having had the good fortune to have MET you in person up at Bearsville...wow, man, you rock. EDAs, have I told you ENOUGH how much I love all of you? Could I possibly tell you enough? Is there ever an 'enough' for telling someone how much you love him or her? Like I have said time and time again, all of you hold such dear spots in my soul and you mean so much to me...family. It is *very* sad that Alan had to leave. He has really been an angel, offering up so much of his time to us. And he has, visibly, played an important role in this list. His soul surely has shown through the love revealed in his eyes and in his smile. I hope that this is not sounding callous in any way, because I do not intend it as such, but I would like everyone to keep a certain perspective. It is only Alan who has left us, not the list which has left us. Alan has so much that he wants to do with his time, and now he has the opportunity to dive into other projects which are ripe and waiting for his attention. I am happy for him that he now has this opportunity to bring life to some of his ideas and projects. Alan has so many great, angelic, beautiful qualities that should be shared with the rest of the world. Alan, man, I love you. It was such an honour to meet you at Bearsville, not only because of the beacon of hope that you have been for this list, but because of your own angelicness. I already miss you, but know that my prayers and my well wishes are with you. I love you dearly and wish you such incredible luck with these new projects that you are devoting your attention to. Who knows? Maybe I will get the opportunity to, someday, work with you on some of my own ideas and some of your ideas. Wouldn't that be beautiful? I am so greatful for the time we have had with Alan, and I will miss him dearly. But it is also important to remember that Alan is not the list. He is a part of the list. There are so many people who have played such visible roles among the EDAs, and they are people who we all look up to for guidance, support, and hope. We also have a lot of newbies who, with the proper nurturing and guidance, can and will also become angels who are looked up to. Like any family, we have to deal with the present circumstances, come to accept the situation, make light of things in their proper perspective, etc. Think of how fortunate we are to have so many people who care enough about this list and, more importantly, about each other that we travel cross country to see each other, that we take the time to dub angel food for each other, that we even volunteer our time and make special rooms in our souls to adopt newbies and share the love and guidance that has been bestowed unto us. I have so much faith in each and every one of us. Hold on to the love we have for each other. Hold on to the memories. Please. Hold on to the hope and faith we have all invested in each other. Remember that this list, this community, this family, can and will live. I love you all. I can not say it enough. Some of my greatest joys in life are the moments that we spend in each other's embrace. Some of my fondest memories lie inside the beautiful truths revealed inside the smile of each EDA I meet in person or the energy with which I correspond with many of you, whether by phone or via email. Please remember the love we have for each other. with love, hope, and faith, stephanie "We like someone because. "Where is my hope now that my We love someone although." -Anonymous heroes have gone? Some are being beaten, some are being born, some can't tell the difference anymore. Amen." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: James McGarry Subject: Re: NOTE 07/31/97 10:04:00 On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 tayamaj@nationwide.com wrote: > I asked this earlier and was wondering if anyone knew if the Jewel show up > in Cleveland at the Nautica stage is sold out? This is a great venue, small > and good sound. Let me know if you can. Thanks. Also, how about the > Toledo Zoo show? Jeff, Just a note for everyone asking about venue info and ticket availability, that nearly all Jewel gigs in the Continental US and Canada are likely handled by Ticketmaster. TM is on-line at: http://www.ticketmaster.com in the US _and_ http://www.ticketmaster.ca in Canada Nautica Stage 2014 Sycamore Street, Cleveland, Ohio 44113; (216) 621-3000 Ticketmaster is handling at least some of the tickets for this venue. Charge-By-Phone: 216/241-5555 I've just checked and TM could not find a single ticket (i.e. one seat by itself) so I'd guess that its sold out. But you could call either the Nautica Stage or TM at the numbers above and check for sure. The Toledo Zoo P..O. Box 4010 Toledo, Ohio 43609-4010 (419)389-8670 Ticketmaster also usually handles tickets for the TZA, you can charge by phone at: (419)474-1333 or on-line at http://www.ticketmaster.com I've just checked and TM could not find a single ticket (i.e. one seat by itself) so I'd guess that its sold out. But you could call either the Zoo or TM at the numbers above and check for sure. Take Care, James. P.S. Almost all this info comes from the TM site at http://www.ticketmaster.com who apply the general standard disclaimer... ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #616 ***************************