From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #507 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, June 29 1997 Volume 02 : Number 507 Today's Subjects: ----------------- LC Sifting the EDAF ["Adrian du Plessis" ] Jewel Criticisms and Comments [Sloppyjoe2@aol.com] Re:songs that make me cry [ILGIRL101@aol.com] NJC: Poet's abound [Rael ] Re: beauty [FabCAGal@aol.com] NJC: Smiles are Contagious [JENBUG57@aol.com] Songs that make me LAUGH =] [Sloppyjoe2@aol.com] Re: Songs that make me LAUGH =] [the emperor of smurfs ] The FG Video.. [gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn)] Angel Standing By [gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn)] Re: Relations to Jewel [*Sometime to Return* ] Re: Songs that make me LAUGH!!! :-) [Outside737@aol.com] RE: Relations to Jewel [*Sometime to Return* ] Re: NJC: nevermind, I'm just nitpicking ["Christian Schmidt" ] poetry i guess [Carl Jamison ] The Critics View [CABBYBJS@aol.com] Re: Songs or music that makes me cry! [*Sometime to Return* ] Re: STARRY NIGHT AKA The Living Groom Tour [FabCAGal@aol.com] Re: beauty [stratman7@juno.com (JAMES R BAILEY)] Re: songs that make me cry.... [*Sometime to Return* ] RE: The Critics View [bennhoff ] RE: Relations to Jewel [bennhoff ] RE: NJC: nevermind, I'm just nitpicking [bennhoff ] MJC: Rabbit Run ["Christopher S. Penn '97" ] NJC: that beauty thing ["Christopher S. Penn '97" Subject: LC Sifting the EDAF As things are being discussed, it looks like two separate threads are emerging. One, there is the ever-growing "acts of kindness" list that reflects the good things EDAs have done and will continue to do, as well as the aspirations we hold for the EDA Foundation to assist in acts of kindness. Two, there is the discussion that Naveen, Albert and other EDAs have been furthering about coming to grips with the organization of the EDAF itself. It's clear that Larry and Crunch and others are working toward the realization of our goals (with legal paperwork etc.) but they're very busy (e.g. Klaatunian world domination schemes have a habit of running overtime) and all EDAs can contribute to helping define these two areas so that we'll be further ahead when Larry the loveable lawyer and anyone else is ready to fill us in on the organizational elements they're working on... Antonio has made up a 5 point list of EDAF statements gleaned from the many posts. This gives us a framework for discussion and we can add to this thread to, as Antonio put it, "give the abstract idealism of other threads and posts some context". I would add a point (#6?) about how we have to find an effective way to channel EDAs proposals into a form that is realistically useful for people like Larry and those who volunteer to organize the EDAF. But this may need more definition, just like the debate over how to ideally/realistically manage a non-profit organization may need more focus before we can add it to the five EDAF points below. The whole point is for all of us EDAs to talk about this and work together so here's another opportunity: 1. The EDAF will be separate from EDAs. Members of one need not necessarily be members of the other. 2. The EDAF will be an official not-for-profit organization. 3. The EDAF will concern itself mostly with coordinated acts of kindess, ones that require more than the normal amount of funds, dedication, organization. Random acts will be left to individuals within or without the foundation. 4. The EDAF currently has the very broad mission statement of "mending ills and restoring hope in the community." 5. The embryonic EDAF is currently involved in raising money for the James P. Kalanick (sp) Trust. What else? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Sloppyjoe2@aol.com Subject: Jewel Criticisms and Comments In a message dated 97-06-28 21:11:42 EDT, SaraAnn200@aol.com writes: << I think that the reason that we all love Jewel so much is her ability to write songs that we all can relate too and her wonderful melodies. Though she can sing, there is nothing that separates her voice from others. It is her lyrics that keep us coming back for more. She is not a amazing guitar player, for I have only been playing a year and I can play most of her songs(thought they don't sound as good) >> this is true, Sara Ann her instrumental talent is not one of a classic guitarist but her lyrics are one of a true poet The relative aspect of the words and the eloquence in which she presents these words in a simplistic instrumental pattern keeps her high on the list of my favorite musicians, aside from the fact that she has the most beautiful woman i have ever seen. In my opinion, the crookedness of her teeth adds to her beauty, maybe even making her ten times more gorgeous. She also has the most seductive pair of eyes i have ever had the pleasure to cast my gaze upon(only in pictures, for i have never seen her in person, nor will i be able to soon because for some reason she won't come to Florida, and i can't get out of the Jewel-forsaken state). Joe p.s. thank you for listening to me and my frustration i think i have a crush on Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: ILGIRL101@aol.com Subject: Re:songs that make me cry I don't post often but I thought I would try and post more than once a month. Tori Amos ( almost anything she sings) but Me And A Gun makes me cry whenever I hear it. Nirvana Unplugged in New York The Sundays version of Wild Horses ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:35:40 -0400 From: Rael Subject: NJC: Poet's abound All of the recent post of poems has been great. I had this poem, that'd I'd written a few days back, sitting on my desk and figured it was time I posted it... Self Portrait he sat there huddled in thought the flowers crying in the vase relentlessly dreaming a blank gaze in the air as empty as his heart or a statue's whisper held in silence on a cold marble slab what d'ya think? Your fellow EDA - -- "I'd rather see the world from another angle..."--Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: FabCAGal@aol.com Subject: Re: beauty In a message dated 97-06-29 13:55:28 EDT, hrkst2+@pitt.edu (Heather R Keenan) writes: << think that is what is so appealing about jewel to me...she is "beautiful" though she has made a career of not being beautiful...and teaching niave young people who are unconciously conditioned to acknowledge "beautiful people" to acknowledge other people who do not fit perfectly into the category of beauty... >> Just a quick query on this subject: why do you state that Jewel has made a career of not being beautiful? If you are implying that she hasn't tried to present herself to be appealing to the masses, I have to strongly disagree. She, has a look, that she works on, as many artists do, in fact, her look is very mainstream here in San Diego. She wears low cut shirts for a reason. She sings seductively for a reason. And I, personally do not find fault with any of that. Not to say this is what your post is saying...but it was an easy opening to address the concept of beauty and how people think that if we try to be beautiful...(like by wearing certain clothes, or too much makeup) that we are somehow not as pure as others. Interesting? Man-D the "surfer/skater/starrybartender" angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:44:38 -0400 (EDT) From: JENBUG57@aol.com Subject: NJC: Smiles are Contagious "I've learned that when my parents are in a bad mood, it's best to agree to everything they say or things get nasty." "Your dreams are not meant to put you to sleep, but to alert and arouse you to your immese possibilites." "I've learned taht you should never jump out of a second story window using a sheet for a parachute." "When we dies and go to heaven, our Maker is not going to say, 'why didn't you discover the cure for such and such?' The only thing we're going to be asked...'is why didn't you become you?'" -Wiesel still loving you mady :) Jen :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Sloppyjoe2@aol.com Subject: Songs that make me LAUGH =] Lithium by Nirvana( I like you, I'm not gonna crap, I miss you, I'm not gonna crap, I Love you, I'm not gonna crap) Date Rape by Sublime(Now he takes it in the behind) "I have a detachable penis" --- I've heard this song once, and i forgot who sings it, if you know, please tell me Dead And Bloated by STP(I am smelling like a rose somebody gave me on my birthday-deathbed) Big Man with a Gun by NIN Come Together by The Beatles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: the emperor of smurfs Subject: Re: Songs that make me LAUGH =] > "I have a detachable penis" --- I've heard this song once, and i forgot who > sings it, if you know, please tell me king missile is the name of the group *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ChuckKW@aol.com Subject: MN EDA's Who is going to Lilithfair? Hey this is Chuck from Minnesota and I was just wondering how many of you EDA's are coming to lilithfair at Cantebury park in Shakopee. If there are a bunch of us, maybe we could meet somewhere. I'm going with a bunch of friends so let me know. Let's keep this off the list so that is doesn't clog up E-mail me privately and well see what happens!! August 20th is gonna rock!!!!!!! Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:10:00 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: NJC: Toni and local women in music Just a brief note: Toni and her bandmate Sharron are being interviewed for possible inclusion in a local station's special on local women in music. They're supposed to be interviewed today or tomorrow for inclusion in the special which airs Wednesday. More as more is known (MAMIK). :-) [To those who don't know about my daughter and her musical career: check out my homepage (address below) and visit the page on the band] - -- | Greg Dunn | I really think it's better this | | gregdunn@indy.net | way; the more you suffer, the | | GregDunn@aol.com | more you show you really care. | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | The Offspring | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:00:17 -0500 From: gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn) Subject: The FG Video.. Hello Angelz!! Do any of you know if the new FG video is out yet?? If it's not then when do you think the music people will play it?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:14:54 -0500 From: gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn) Subject: Angel Standing By This song is so moving, I played it for my cousin for the first time and she ended up crying.. So did I...If only my best friend could've heard it before she had an overdose she would've stopped...I could've stopped her..Maybe i should just not think about that anymore... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:55:07 -0500 (CDT) From: *Sometime to Return* Subject: Re: Relations to Jewel > These are not insults or meant as slams to Jewel as an artist. She is > fantastic and I love her music and all you you with all my soul. > > Sara Ann I love all of you too. - -Dancer :) :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:07:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Outside737@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs that make me LAUGH!!! :-) here's mine skinny sweaty man - the red hot chili peppers van - descendents boxer shorts - n.y. citizens detachable penis - king missle hoosier love - mu330 that's a lie - too much joy there's probably a lot more, i just can't remember them right now c-ya dave (me) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:02:36 -0500 (CDT) From: *Sometime to Return* Subject: RE: Relations to Jewel > These are not insults or meant as slams to Jewel as an artist. She is > fantastic and I love her music and all you you with all my soul." > > I understand what you are saying. Her voice although > beautiful and guitar are not unique > while her lyrics are what you really fall in love with. > Actually, I kind of see it the other way... Although she's a great songwriter and comes up with awesome lyrics, it's that *VOICE* that originally attracted me to Jewel, and is probably now the thing that I love the most about her...I have never heard another singer who can sing with as much emotion as she can..it's unbelievable to me... Dancer :) *angel of peaceful anarchy* > Bob > > "The music is your special friend. Dance on fire as it intends." > -Jim Morrison > > "Spoon" > -The Tick > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:56:41 -0700 From: "Christian Schmidt" Subject: Re: NJC: nevermind, I'm just nitpicking > > the way i am. I think we should have casual government not a strict > > comunitst government!! > > Just a second! My pulse always quickens when I hear communism being > misinterpreted and here it certainly was. As things stand right now > with the EDAs, we have a communist system. NOT communism as > we've seen attempted in various parts of the world, but communism as > it is ideally fleshed out: a society in which each person > contributes for the benefit of something great. (What you see in > Cuba, the middle east, China and other places is a dictatorship > calling itself communism.) NO! Communism is BAD! Because this is America! And democracy is better! And because with democracy you can be whatever you want and are not limited by society and thats what the EDAF is and SHOULD STAY AS! And democracy is good! And communism is bad! And I like John Wayne! And I like living in a free country! And I want to be able to tell my kids when i have them that we are priviledged because this is America and we can control our lives and we have freedom that no one can take away, unlike vietnam was and china and the old soviet union because those were all people who lived in fear everyday and couldnt live as they wanted and even if it was a "prefect" communism, they'd still be controlled by other people and they wouldnt have freedom like we have! And I still like John Wayne and I'm dang proud to be in America! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:08:54 -0300 From: patrik@octonline.com Subject: Re: NJC: Secret interdimensional procedure for getting off this At 04:35 PM 6/27/97 +0000, you wrote: >> From: smithr@agcs.com >> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:55:34 -0700 >> To: dogslife@bigfoot.com, jewel@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: NJC: Secret interdimensional procedure for getting off this > >> On Jun 26, 8:54pm, Nathan wrote: >> > Subject: Re: NJC: Secret interdimensional procedure for getting off this >> > > To: jewel@smoe.org >> > > Subject: Re: Secret interdimensional procedure for getting off this list >> > > From: jeweleda@juno.com (Kim R) >> > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:24:30 EDT >> > >> > > >> > > > At 11:03 PM 6/24/97 -0400, someone wrote: >> > > >how do i get off this list.. >> > > >> > > How do you get on the list? >> > > >> > >> > How do you get in the list? >> > >> What's the list? 8^P~~~~ >> >> >List is GOD!!! > > > This is ludicrous ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Barnabus heckubus? Subject: IGOR!! San Diego peepholes!!! READ :) Sorry I posted this to the list.. but eh my address book seems to be missing something important in it.. the damn addressess, ahh anyways Igor I will be in San Deigo from the 15 to the 25th. I will email you my number so we can hoock up or something.. I know there is many of you in San Diego.. but unfortunatly Igor was the only one who wanted to meet.. so bleh phooey.. but anyways I have a request.. I am considering if all works out to move with steph and the other gal.. but I need some advice on finding a job down there.. you see I have VERY good computer abilities... unfortunatly I cant spell ;) I have my own buisness but no clientel down there.. so I need something in the mean time.. any suggestions on where to look?? Gratzy!! Btw Igor. the girl I am staying with lives in Lakeside.. But she is the best.. she will drive me to wherever.. as long as she can hang out too ;) hahaha matt I would burn an eternity in hell for your kiss.. A kiss from the mornings soft lips.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:53:32 -0700 From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: Re: STARRY NIGHT AKA The Living Groom Tour Plans for Starry Night and Mandy's wedding cerermonies are proceeding. I say ceremonies, not ceremony, because, with an abundance of EDA grooms from which to choose, Man-D has decided to recognize the spirit of equality among EDAs and to establish Man-D's EDA Harem (tm). After inducing each groom with apple-sauce, Larry the loveable lawyer will be asking Starry Night/wedding participants to 1) help him with the incorporation of the EDA Foundation and 2) assist Igor in diversionary tactics to keep the forest rangers otherwise occupied. Playing tapes of Jewelstock through speakers pointed at the ranger stations will save the day. Sadly, in other news, the Ursa Minor Times has reported today that Super-Gianny's "cousins" have replaced him with a newly molded Mediterranean-style hairy-chested/popsicle toting/g-string wearing EDA model. The good news is that when he reappears this new Gianny will be everything we loved about the old one, only better. Na nu, na nu. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:16:28 -0500 (CDT) From: *Sometime to Return* Subject: an old article... Okay, maybe this has already been discussed... But yesterday I was looking through some of my old magazines, and in the Feb. 1997 issue of Spin Magazine (w/ Pearl Jam on the cover) there's a little blurb about Jewel...it says that she's in the studio working on her next album, which it said would be released in April 1997 (which it wasn't, of course...) It also showed a picture of Jewel in the studio and said that included on the new album would be "Satellite" and some live outtakes from Jewelstock...Does anyone know anything about this...? Or have I just been smoking too much crack again...? Dancer *angel of peaceful anarchy* "I can go where no one else can go...I know what no one else knows..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:12:07 -0400 From: Carl Jamison Subject: poetry i guess don't really know what to call it. but i wrote it so give it a look if ya feel like it. TRAPPED Trapped.concealed.hidden.lost.lost lost. yes thats what they called it. they said i was lost. that there was no hope that it was beyond all hope. what did they know? who gave them the right? who said that they are the ones who r right. so many questions that remain unanswered. who am I now. i know who I was but what am I now? what will I be. i stare at these four wall around me. yes i am hidden. locked up. imprisoned. not only by these walls that hide me from society but locked inside a body. inside a frame that holds my soul. a soul that yearns to be free. that longs for love. LOVE. LOVE? what does it me to me now? I used to know. it all made sense to me once but now , now its all different. i am lost. lost inside myself. i am not the one who should me here. I am the one who knows what is right.. they r wrong. they conform. they run like drones and live with their same schedules everyday. breech that mold and what happens. look at me. i'm lost inside the sea of myself. once a sane rational person living a life of a fool. a content fool. then i gained the knowledge to break my mold. now i'm locked away. forgotten. all i have is my prison. these four walls. and the mirror that only greets me with distressed stares. but I know. i know they are looking. I can feel it. i know . they think they can sedate me but they can't. my body may be sluggish but there is no drug strong enough to suppress my soul. i will be free one day. one day? when? will it be soon? will it hurt? will I be alone? with just my thoughts. thoughts of a madman? no! thoughts of a man with more rational and insight than most. i have fought the hard battles I have walked the long road. i have touched the demon. i looked him in the eye and saw my reflection in his eye. like i stare now into that mirror. i look at myself. no its not me. it is only a shell of what i used to be. but i am alive. yet life is a prison of the soul. i am trapped. trapped by the very thing i hold dear. LIFE. all these question build up. they are fools. the only see black and white. i have the insight. but what insight. i am lost inside myself. i am overcome with grief. i must rest. i must hide. i must make them see. i am not crazy. they are. i think. if i think then I am. but what is left. tomorrow is to far away. i must rest. i cannot stand to look into the eye of the demon. the mirror is my worst enemy. one day I will be free. free to roam. now I must rest. rest and get ready for the demon to come. until then i shall rest. ******************************************************************************* From the desk of the opossum! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "I seem to recognize your face. Haunting familiar years I can't seem to place. But now here you are and here I am. HEARTS and THOUGHTS they FADE, fade AWAY!" -E. Vedder "And what goes aroung never comes around to you." -A. Morissette Ciao-Ciao, Bye-Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CABBYBJS@aol.com Subject: The Critics View (Just another view) Okay there you are, ready to begin your work. The theatre-or whatever- goes silent and an unfamiliar to you singer walks up on stage. You want to quickly do your job, by critiquing her, and go home to watch your favorite show. You watch her every move as your butt begins to ache from the uncomfortable chair, the artist sings her first song- it wasn't that bad, but you really want to get out of there. She starts to talk, oh great how long will this take her! Sing the songs, and let me get out of here! The thought tickles your brain as you long to leave, she sings, and talks, then sings, and talks- you're not really paying attention to how beautiful the lyrics are, or how beautiful and talented her voice is- you don't really let her pull you into her songs, all you are thinking about is your nice big comfy couch. So you look at her, the thoughts start to get negative, you have been there for so long, and want to get home, but she keeps talking and singing, so every little thing she does starts to really annoy you. The next day you can only think of how you wanted to leave, and can only write a negative statement. Her voice doesn't linger in your mind, and you can't remember any of the meaningful lyrics that you only half heard, you just remember she talked between songs-not sure what about- just the fact that she talked- so you bring her in really low and categorize her as "unprofessional." WHATEVER! See the critic just doesn't get to really enjoy Jewel, you can't only half listen to her, you need to absorb every little word, and note. If the critic didn't have to think about what he should write in his review, or if he hadn't been forced to go for work, I think they'd enjoy it a lot more, and probably find the conversation Jewel makes, uplifting, real, and funny. The critic would just get as comfortable as we feel about her then instead of all, "I need to get home, why'd the boss make me find out about her, where's my note pad, oooo got to go potty, what in the world is she saying?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:22:04 -0500 (CDT) From: *Sometime to Return* Subject: Re: Songs or music that makes me cry! > I figure i might as well join in!! ;) > > Mozart's Requiem Mass, conducted by Herbert Von Karajan > Brahms 3rd symphony 3rd movement > Jewel's Amen > Chopin's Prelude in C minor (i think it is Cm) > Actually a few of Chopin's compositions do a number on me! > Cassandra Wilson's cover of "Love is Blindness" > Albinoni's adagio for strings and organ in Gm > quite a few others...though i can't remember now... > Another song that makes me cry is "Pancho & Lefty" by willie nelson and Merle Haggard...my mom and I used to dance to that when I was little... "1979" by Smashing Pumpkins makes me cry sometimes...also "Soma" by SP... The song "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" by SP *really* makes me cry...Also, the "Little Women" soundtrack...I'm just a weepy person, I guess...I could go on and on with this thread...emotions are great... :) Dancer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:18:54 -0700 From: "schu.sacc" Subject: Re:Songs that make me LAUGH =] Whoever said that Lithium by Nirvana is funny because he says he's not gonna crap needs to pay a little more attention to the lyrics! He says he's "not gonna cry" Just wanmted to inform whoever it was. Marcus "But daddy longlegs I fear, that I'm finally growing weary, of waiting to be consumed by you"-Fiona Apple "Hold on to nothing, as fast as you can"-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: FabCAGal@aol.com Subject: Re: STARRY NIGHT AKA The Living Groom Tour In a message dated 97-06-29 17:13:52 EDT, howenow@imagen.net (Adrian du Plessis) writes: << Plans for Starry Night and Mandy's wedding cerermonies are proceeding. I say ceremonies, not ceremony, because, with an abundance of EDA grooms from which to choose, Man-D has decided to recognize the spirit of equality among EDAs and to establish Man-D's EDA Harem (tm). After inducing each groom with apple-sauce, Larry the loveable lawyer will be asking Starry Night/wedding participants to 1) help him with the incorporation of the EDA Foundation and 2) assist Igor in diversionary tactics to keep the forest rangers otherwise occupied. Playing tapes of Jewelstock through speakers >> Adrian! You are just too funny! Is the harem like my fan club? Remember, John-Eric is the file clerk, to the secretary, to the secretary of the administrative assistant to the president of my fan club! How are we going to keep track of all of this? And, perhaps a way to deter the forest rangers is to marry them too! Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:27:13 EDT From: stratman7@juno.com (JAMES R BAILEY) Subject: Re: beauty I totally agree, there is a lot more to people then what is on the outside, its what's in a persons heart and soul that make them beautiful. a fellow EDA Jim " I'll get you my pretty..............and your little dog too." ~wicked witch of the west ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:26:08 -0500 (CDT) From: *Sometime to Return* Subject: Re: songs that make me cry.... > In a message dated 97-06-28 19:26:42 EDT, apearse@acad.udallas.edu (*Sometime > to Return*) writes: > > << Which album is "Butterfly" off of...? > > Dancer :) >> > Why Dancer, it is on =w=eezer' second album, entitled 'Pinkerton'. > Glad to be of help. :) > JonBoy911 > Thanks..!! Hey, does anybody out there have both Weezer CDs by the way...? if so I was wodering if I could get a tape of them, if I sent the tape and everything...? I've been wanting to hear them for a logn time, but don't have the money to buy the CDs... Dancer :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:34:54 -0700 From: millerk@cport.com (Karen Miller) Subject: RE: beauty jim, who told ou that about beauty and all holly - ---------- From: JAMES R BAILEY[SMTP:stratman7@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 1997 2:27 PM To: hrkst2+@pitt.edu Cc: jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: beauty I totally agree, there is a lot more to people then what is on the outside, its what's in a persons heart and soul that make them beautiful. a fellow EDA Jim " I'll get you my pretty..............and your little dog too." ~wicked witch of the west ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:52:55 -0400 From: levin Subject: A Boy Needs A Bike I keep watching my tape of Jewel Unplugged over and over. The song, "A Boy Needs A Bike" is particularly moving to me. Especially the chorus of ".....I'd ride, so far, so fast, I'd ride......" I gets me weepy. I like it though. Just wanted to let you know because, well........for no real reason.Okay, love y'all! - -Rae your angel standing by ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:01:14 -0600 From: bennhoff Subject: RE: The Critics View Okay there you are, ready to begin your work. The theatre-or whatever- goes silent and an unfamiliar to you singer walks up on stage. You want to quickly do your job, by critiquing her, and go home to watch your favorite show. You watch her every move as your butt begins to ache from the uncomfortable chair, the artist sings her first song- it wasn't that bad, but you really want to get out of there. She starts to talk, oh great how long will this take her! Sing the songs, and let me get out of here! The thought tickles your brain as you long to leave, she sings, and talks, then sings, and talks- you're not really paying attention to how beautiful the lyrics are, or how beautiful and talented her voice is- you don't really let her pull you into her songs, all you are thinking about is your nice big comfy couch. So you look at her, the thoughts start to get negative, you have been there for so long, and want to get home, but she keeps talking and singing, so every little thing she does starts to really annoy you. The next day you can only think of how you wanted to leave, and can only write a negative statement. Her voice doesn't linger in your mind, and you can't remember any of the meaningful lyrics that you only half heard, you just remember she talked between songs-not sure what about- just the fact that she talked- so you bring her in really low and categorize her as "unprofessional." WHATEVER! I think you made the point that a critic's frame of mind can effect his review of the performance. Bob Everybody was kung-fu fighting. Those cats were fast as lightning. Carl Douglas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:12:06 -0600 From: bennhoff Subject: RE: Relations to Jewel > These are not insults or meant as slams to Jewel as an artist. She is > fantastic and I love her music and all you you with all my soul." >=20 > I understand what you are saying. Her voice although=20 > beautiful and guitar are not unique=20 > while her lyrics are what you really fall in love with. >=20 Actually, I kind of see it the other way... Although she's a great songwriter and comes up with awesome lyrics, it's that *VOICE* that originally attracted me to Jewel, and is probably now the thing that I love the most about her...I have never heard another singer who can sing with as much emotion as she can..it's unbelievable = to me... Dancer :) *angel of peaceful anarchy* Don't get me wrong I love her voice but I also love other people's = voices and I still don't like their music. And I have to come clean = what originally attracted me to Jewel was her good looks. Bob Everybody was kung-fu fighting. Those cats were fast as lightning. Carl Douglas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:12:12 -0600 From: bennhoff Subject: RE: NJC: nevermind, I'm just nitpicking " NO! Communism is BAD! Because this is America! And democracy is = better! And because with democracy you can be whatever you want and are not = limited by society and thats what the EDAF is and SHOULD STAY AS! And democracy = is good! And communism is bad! And I like John Wayne! And I like living in = a free country! And I want to be able to tell my kids when i have them = that we are priviledged because this is America and we can control our lives = and we have freedom that no one can take away, unlike vietnam was and china = and the old soviet union because those were all people who lived in fear everyday and couldnt live as they wanted and even if it was a "prefect" communism, they'd still be controlled by other people and they wouldnt = have freedom like we have! And I still like John Wayne and I'm dang proud to = be in America!" This is starting to piss me off. Whoever said this is saying it with = out any knowledge of communism. I don't know how many times I have to = say this but communism doesn't have to be harmful. In a communist = system that works you are able to do as you please and be free and = thrive if you do your assigned job as well as you can. The only reason = communism doesn't work in countries today is either power hungry people = trying to rule through fear or the people figure if they get paid not = matter what they do and they will still get paid and have a job they do = their job sloppily. If you want to know what communism really is down = to the letter e-mail me privately. Bob Everybody was kung-fu fighting. Those cats were fast as lightning. Carl Douglas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:20:29 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: NJC.. What do I do for someone whos whole life just burnt in front of him? >Barnabus heckubus? wrote: > > Tonight.. a friend of the families.. who spent his life savings on >the local car lot.. was struck by arson.. The flames were high in the skie.. >so high to the point I could see them from my house across town.. As I >approched his lot.. I see him with a few tears in his eyes.. his cars >blowing up left and right.. you see he just had it built six months ago if >that.. now all his money put into this place.. and his job.. gone in one >arsons match.,. this pisses me off so fucking much.. I dont mean to cuss.. >but to see a friend crying because at such a time he thought he was going to >finally make it in life.. it crumbles.. he's at the age where he feels he is >getting old in his fourties or fifties.. and nothing is left.. nothing at >all... I know that a lot of people have been having problems latly.. and I >am sorry to ask all of you for another favore.. but please.. if anyone out >there can help.. maybe just with a prayer.. or a thought.. please do... Im >not asking for charity.. he wouldnt take it anyways.. just some thoughts.. After going through all that, your friend's hopes are probably diminished. But we all know that ANYTHING is possible and that he can come back from this major setback. We need to send him energy and give him hope. He's a free-falling human who needs us angels to catch him and help him on his feet. My prayers are with him. Hope is the most important thing right now for him. Without it, nothing else matters. Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absence of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:24:16 -0400 From: Joshua Baummer Subject: EDAF idea's I just got home and read five jewel digests that have great idea's about the EDAF I have some idea's you may or may not agree with. I read a post saying something simalar to Fund-Raising I personally think that is one of many good idea's (JPK Fund) must I say more. So if we can get a good idea for Fund-Raising for some good cause I think that would be a good idea but not by any means stop there another idea I thought of is it is summer right? So why can't we all get together and make a playground for so youngsters we were young at one time and on a nice day isn't that where we all wanted to go and just think of the =)*SMILES*=) on the youngins faces. Don't get me wrong building a playground will take some work not to mention money for the lumber and what goes into building a playgroung. The EDAF is doing kind things isn't it? It won't be easy 1)Finding a place to biuld. 2)Finding the time. 3)Finding the money. Well you get the idea. But where there is a will THERE IS A WAY!! So come on! Also I personally like everyone else think the EDA tree is a great idea like someone said it will grow with us and about the 2,000 year tree when were gone (if tree cutters don't cut it/them down) some kids will look at it and say WOW! look at this HUGE tree then that will become there play area don't kids like to play around/on trees anyway? So if the EDAF is about doing kind/nice/deeds then lets get started! I would like to say something Tony said I myself also will put my sweat and tears into the EDAF but I do not have to be publicly known like Alan (Mr.BB),Crunch,Larry,Mike Connell ect. but if I do get publicisity after awhile so be it. I hope some of you know who I am though! Josh An EDA forever. LETS DO IT!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:08:32 -0400 From: "Christopher S. Penn '97" Subject: MJC: Rabbit Run My thoughts on the TIME magazine, with emphasis on the tremendous explosion of Jewel surfers- it would probably be a good idea for the EDAs as a whole to get their collective net presence organized and arranged so that the new wave(s) of searchers are met with nothing less than complete competence. For example- if you maintain a Jewel page, make sure you've got a link to the Jewel FAQ, maintained at smoe.org. When I first started listening to Jewel, I hit the net only to find something of a mess. While there isn't (nor should there be) a central clearing house for Jewel information, I would hope that something like the FAQ would be standard on all pages. A few links to the important stuff, like the lists, and the central web sites (Everyday Angels, Pieces of Jewel, etc.) would also be a good touch, so that people can get at the latest and greatest information. As we already get three digests per day consisting of 40k+ messages, it might be time to start diversifying the EDA community... sort of a GeoCities idea, where we can divide up content... if there's going to be 10 digests per day, (as there may be with an explosion of new EDA members) we'd better have mail systems capable of dealing with the 400k+ of data per day. If you're not a part of it, joining the Jewel Web Ring might be a good idea, too... saves time over jumping through InfoSeek... my opinions only. chris p.s. why rabbit run as the topic of this message? it's from my Tom Brown days, where you'd track a herd of animals and find the chokepoints for where many of the herd converged... with rabbits, it was called a rabbit run, and if you were in a survival situation, you could set snares on the rabbit run and expect to catch dinner... ........................................................................ Christopher S. Penn Nihon Mizumachi Kyokai ........................................................................ "I'd rather die and drop out of the world rather than wake up everyday and be so unhappy." - Jewel Kilcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:21:46 -0400 From: "Christopher S. Penn '97" Subject: NJC: that beauty thing Respectfully disagree on the comments by Heather... > moreso, we have developed into a culture based on physical > pleasures...where we have made a profession of models...who are young and > most times aneroxic...this worries me...i dont understand why, as humans, > we need to classify people into beautiful and not beautiful...and the > media is our own worse enemy...every body is beautiful...i think every one > has their own personal style, and its sort of beauty in the eye of the > beholder.... No question that everyone has their own style, but we classify beauty and non-beauty based on some very, very old skills... ones that we don't intellectually understand very well, if at all, but we do anyway. It's a vestige of our own primal survival instincts. Besides, beauty norms shift from time to time. What is beautiful now was certainly not beautiful thirty or forty years ago, and what is beautiful now will not be beautiful in the decades and centuries ahead. > its very interesting that a women's worth is tied up on "being > beautiful"...where beauty is defined as slim...never would anyone see the > women equivilant of Blues Travelor...i for one am so bored with perfect, > lean icons...i am bored with beautiful people...they do not represent > humanity in anyway... Disagree from a male perspective here... at least a thinking man's perspective. A woman's worth is only partly defined by the way she looks, BUT the way she looks is the first step. Ask yourself who you'd rather chat with at a party- a well dressed person who appears to have their stuff together, or a guy who's wearing rags, appears drunk, smells horrible, and is holding a 40 of Old English? This is an extreme example, obviously, but appearance does matter. As for a question of beauty- it's in the eye of the beholder, and sometimes not even then. It's always in CONTROL of the individual- you can control to a great extent how "beautiful" you appear to be- it's called kyojitsu tenkan ho in Japanese, the process by which you can change how you appear by doing very little. Just spend time acting and working with folks in theatre or acting. The best actors I've ever met and seen are people who actually submerge their own identities beneath those of their characters- becoming their characters, as it were. As for music, I have the distinct impression that very few people in general have any idea of what people look like. I could have sworn that the lead of Dave Mathews Band and John Popper (Blues Traveller) would have looked identical when I first heard their premiere singles out. Only a few subtle nuances to Popper's voice give you any indication of what he might look like. Besides, most people sleepwalk through life on autopilot anyway. Looking at Jewel's body is a lot easier for these people than actually having to listen carefully to her message- and then making the resulting changes that come from that kind of message. I for one am fortunate that my own personal mission and her message are nearly synonymous. Saves a great deal of time. One last thing to keep in mind is that watching Jewel is almost as important as listening. If you get a hold of the MTV unplugged tape, watch the various emotions and mental states that move across her face while she's singing. Watch how her breathing changes when she moves from her head voice to her chest voice. It's an amazing thing, it is. Kindest regards, Chris ........................................................................ Christopher S. Penn Nihon Mizumachi Kyokai ........................................................................ "I'd rather die and drop out of the world rather than wake up everyday and be so unhappy." - Jewel Kilcher ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #507 ***************************