From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #446 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, June 17 1997 Volume 02 : Number 446 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan ["Nathan" ] Re: question on Memoirs of A Housewife [Horter3@aol.com] Please take me off mailing list [FIYOG@aol.com] NJC: Poem about last night [PhibreOptx@aol.com] MrBB-"Future Folklore" Update [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: DDDelight [ForvrLaust@aol.com] EDA...Trying to earn his wings... [smithr@agcs.com] A few newbie questions :) ["Quach B. Hai" ] Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan [Heather R Keenan ] Bob Dylan vs Jewel [Fett30@aol.com] NJC: thanks for all the help ["Luke Nye" ] Lilith Fair!!!!!! [Trueblu4u1@aol.com] Sorry but i gotta leave [Str8Ej@aol.com] Fwd: untitled poem [Trueblu4u1@aol.com] NJC:Houston [Dalfinn@aol.com] Bob Dylan and Jewel [Fett30@aol.com] Jewel: The Next Dylan? ["Mark Anthony Miazga" ] Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? [smithr@agcs.com] Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? [smithr@agcs.com] The Jewel Radio Commercial [JaZzToPaZ@aol.com] Re: poetry advice [red_ranger@juno.com (Nick the blurred Angel)] Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) [Victor Igor Wasylczenko ] Rolling Stone letters on "Cosmic Girl" [William Chinda ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:05:16 +0000 From: "Nathan" Subject: Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:11:52 -0400 > To: Jewel@smoe.org > From: Kris Kane > Subject: Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan > said, "physical beauty is a curse when you're trying to be a legitimate > artist", may not have to be true. Maybe she's lucky to have that crooked > tooth. :-) > > Kris > Methinks you're on to something there! Nathan dogslife@bigfoot.com "Being a man leaves me cold: that's how it is." -Pablo Neruda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:05:16 +0000 From: "Nathan" Subject: Re: NJC:re poetry advice... > From: QTPIE18LPN@aol.com > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:58:58 -0400 (EDT) > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: NJC:re poetry advice... > I admire your educational background regarding creative writing, however, > when I write, I don't think about metaphors and such...I just write how I'm > feeling. It makes me feel better, if no one else. If that makes me a bad > writer, so be it... > > I don't mean to be brash...its just my "2 cents". > I love you all, > Marianne =_ > Whether or not you're a bad writer depends on your goal when you write. If you're looking to clear your head by writing your momentary self onto paper, then you've succeeded if you believe your final product to be true to you. However, it's often difficult to separate the euphoria of having vented one's stresses, and the objective judgment of one's own work. So sentimentality often colours a writer's evaluation of their own work. But if your goal as a writer is to capture a human experience on paper which can be perceived as vividly by any reader as yourself, then a little literary virtuosity would help. Such as that which would be granted by having as many literary tools (metaphor, symbolism, personification etc.) as possible at your disposal. I was never looking to insult anyone when I offered my advice. I just wanted to share some knowledge with people who could put it to good use. Nathan dogslife@bigfoot.com "Always find a way to call out of another the highest in themselves." - Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:12:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Horter3@aol.com Subject: Re: question on Memoirs of A Housewife > In the Jewelstock version of Memoirs of A Housewife, what does she > say, > If I were to bet all the ???????? in the world > I would be one very uncultural girl. Modigliani's An Italian(?) painter. Also in the Book of Love song "Lost in Your Eyes (Modigliani)". :-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: FIYOG@aol.com Subject: Please take me off mailing list Take me off please ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:20:38 -0400 (EDT) From: PhibreOptx@aol.com Subject: NJC: Poem about last night Ok, last night i learned i had done something terrible. An EDA member, a good friend of mine, now can't stand me. She says i'm terrible. Well, in tears, I wrote this for her. I don't care if it's not the best, but I had to get my feelings out. Since she wont talk to me, or read my email to her, I'm posting this here. To Melissa how does it feel to be outcast? to be mocked, teased, insulted, then kicked out on your ass? does it hurt like a knife wound, or smell like burnt hair? Or just hurt cause the hate is from those who you care? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words pierce through my heart. If I could stop the pain within, i'd tear my flesh apart. you are my angel, my bright shining friend. I'd wished that our friendship would never end. If you only knew, how i really felt, perhaps you wouldn't with rocks my skin pelt. It does me no good, to write you this rhyme but it feels better than keeping it inside for the time. I'm sorry Melissa, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB-"Future Folklore" Update Hi all again, I recently spoke to Cindy Lee Berryhill & got the "Future Folklore" titles totally straightened out. Below is the final official track listings for this "soon to be treed" tape set. Toward the end of this month, Mike will announce how to sign up if you'd enjoy copies or can volunteer to help in the free distribution. The production work is done & as soon as the j-card artwork is ready, we'll begin the distribution. In the meantime, here's the explanation (one more time for new people) of what this is all about, followed by the final layout info.-----Alan ********************************************** Hi all, I'd like to take this opportunity to explain my new project idea called "Future Folklore". There's been many great EDA parties around the country. Some of these had incredible entertainment provided by other San Diego area musicians such as The Rugburns, Cindy Lee Berryhill, Elizabeth Hummel & Gregory Page. (All friends of Jewel, by the way) In the case of the Hot Dog Festival (HDF), thrown by the Morales Family in Dana Point, Ca, Steve & Jeff (aka Stinky) from The Rugburns dropped by & played a short but wonderfully unique set. There's many brand new songs & those who were there can testify it was quite unlike any Rugburns show of late. Shortly after that, an impromtu EDA Cafe (EDAC) was thrown together at The Snyder family's home in Boston,Ma. Cindy Lee Berryhill & Elizabeth Hummel cancelled a gig in Albany & joined us for an incredible night of music & EDA hilarity. I'm sure Cindy Lee & Elizabeth will agree it was a highlight of their tour. It was certainly the longest gig of the tour! (I'd also like to say that any hardcore "Pet Sounds/Smile era Brian Wilson" fans will be absolutely blown away by Cindy Lee's new "keyboard" material. I personally love "Antarctica", "Family Tree","Aquamarine" & "She Won't Even Try" more than any other songs I've heard by anyone this year. I mean it, too!) I plan on distributing (free of charge, of course) the 1st two volumes of a new ongoing tape tree series that will contain all the performances from both of these events. These particular EDA events are becoming legendary & thus the name "Future Folklore"..... These recordings will be different than the elaborate authorized Jewel recordings that we've treed in the past. Both of these events were recorded without the use of a mixing desk & are more reflective of the actual events. The music is still crystal clear but you also hear the EDA interaction (as well as the birds & ocean at HDF!). Tegan Godwin made the "ambiant" HDF recording & its really quite nice & captures some of the spirit of this historically significant EDA gathering. At EDAC, Phil & I collaborated on last minute equipment, but it worked out well. We ran a seperate mic on vocals, one on instruments & one on the room so everything was captured clearly. (If any techies are curious about the recording techniques utilized, write to me privately.) Its also important to note that the musicians have all been incredibly generous enough to authorize the release of these recordings for this project. I have two goals for this project: I certainly hope to turn more EDAs on to these other San Diego artists. They can all benefit from our continued support. But more than that, I want to share a little of that "x factor" that happens when EDAs get together. There's something very special going on that I want to see continued. Lovable Lawyer Larry said it best: "We all began as fans of Jewel & then became fans of each other". Mike Connell is gonna take the big plunge & will administrate this free tape tree. Dennis Harris did j-card design & they'll be mind blowing, as usual. He was at both events & had photos from both to incorporate into the j-card graphics. These first two volumes of "Future Folklore" will consist of two 100 minute cassettes. Instructions will be posted in a few weeks & then sign-up will begin. This tree will be different & we're working out exact procedure still. It's very important to me to include the Rugburns list & the CLB list, as well as the EDAs this time. Logistics are being finalized. (Please wait for these instructional posts BEFORE requesting copies or volunteering participation in this tree.) This music is really something special. If this is successful, I'm willing to donate my resources to continue this series on an ongoing basis. I'm hoping "Future Folklore" Volumes 1 & 2 will be enthusiastically recieved. If nothing else, I sincerely hope this series will help encourage more events like this in the future. Best wishes, Alan(MrBB) "FUTURE FOLKLORE" Volumes 1 & 2 THE EDA CAFE & HOT DOG FEST Key to who is performing: * Cindy Lee Berryhill- EDA Cafe, Boston,MA 4-18-97 # Elizabeth Hummel- EDA Cafe, Boston,MA 4-18-97 + Steve Poltz & Stinky- The Hot Dog Fest, Dana Point,CA 4-9-97 Tape One Side A Writer # Sizzle......................................(Hummel) # Only For The Innocent..........(Hummel) #The Goodwill Store...............(Hummel) * Damn, I Wish I Was A Man..(Berryhill) * Riddle,Riddle.........................(Berryhill) * She Won't Even Try.............(Berryhill) # Banana..................................(Hummel) # Walking To San Fransisco.(Hummel) Tape One Side B *#Annie's Song...................(J.Denver) # Eloise.................................(Hummel) # Circus Of Love..................(Hummel) # Miracle Mile.................... ..(Hummel) * Scariest Thing In The World...(Berryhill) * Antarctica............................(Berryhill) *#Ba Dah Dah.....................(Berryhill) * Memoirs Of A Female Messiah...(Berryhill) * Family Tree........................(Berryhill) Tape Two Side A # The Promise......................(Hummel) # Ocean................................ (Hummel) *#Sour Grapes.....................(Hummel) * Diane...................................(Berryhill) * Jane & John....................... (Berryhill) * California.............................(Berryhill) *#Aquamarine.......................(Berryhill) *#Radio Astronomy..............(Berryhill) Tape Two Side B # Janey's Song................. ....(Hummel) # Regrets.................................(Hummel) # Sailing............................ .....(Hummel) + Slippin' & Slidin' Away......(Rugburns) + Grandpa's Song.................(Poltz) + Rainbow...............................(Poltz & Lisa Sanders) + Johnny McAdoo...................(traditional-Irish) + Star Of The County Down..(traditional-Irish) + Spiderboy............................(Poltz & Spooky Rueben) Credits: EDA CAFE recorded by MrBB & Phil Kelnhofer HOT DOG FEST recorded by Tegan Godwin remastering & post production-MrBB J-Card Art & Design-Dennis Harris Undying Gratitude to: Tom & Nancy Morales for HDF Jack, Karen & Chris Snyder for EDAC Intercoastal Relations: Larry Greenfield ****************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ForvrLaust@aol.com Subject: Re: DDDelight That's the name of the CD? DDDelight??? If so, I want to see if I can get it from the place I mentioned before... John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:27:20 -0700 From: smithr@agcs.com Subject: EDA...Trying to earn his wings... Hello everyone! I'm new on here, and just thought I would write a quick hello! I was flipping around on the web, when I thought I would do a web search on my favoritestest person in the world...JEWEL...and I came across a whole slew of stuff....like this list! I also found out she is going to be here July 10 in Arizona.. and you know I am going to that..I just wish it was just her... because I really don't want to see all the other artists..as good as they are... Why do I love JEWEL? Well...I'm one of those people who just hears a song, and either loves it or hates it...well I was sitting back one day listening to the EDGE 106.3 in AZ, and "Who Will Save Your Soul" came on. I just about fell out of my chair, because her voice was, for a lack of better words, magical...It totally grabbed my attention...and then when I saw her, my heart jumped again, as I realized how incredibly beautiful she is! My favorite song of hers is "You Were Meant for Me"...I play it over and over again because I just love the sound of it... I added a whole bunch of JEWEL stuff to my home page, so if anyone wants to check it out, it's at : http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/5739 Well..hope to talk with all of you more! - -- Roger Smith smithr@agcs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Quach B. Hai" Subject: A few newbie questions :) Hi everyone, I just wanted to drop a line and say "WOW, I'm impressed" I didn't realize there was such a strong following of Jewel fans. This is great. A few quick (well, maybe not so quick) questions. Since I'm new to all of this (and I've seen alot of postings the past 2 days), how can I go about getting copies of live concerts/mixes of Jewel's performances? Can someone help me out and just point me in the right direction in getting some "AngleFood?" Thanks much in advance! Have a cool day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Heather R Keenan Subject: Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan i think a lot of musicians are complete replications of each other...almost like clons of popularity... i think thats why it may appear to some(including myself) why one-dimensional musicians seem to dominate the music scene...in this sense, the clons of popularity explain the one-hit wonders...they take what genre of music made another musician popular and duplicate that style thus become popular as well... with me, music becomes an obsession...if a hear a song i like ill play it a thousand times until i am uneffected by it any more...and i think that is very dangerous, because the best music produces the most profound effect on a person...artists like jewel and natalie merchant and tori amos and the innocence mission and a lot of ethnic music like british folk music and celtic women..i cant seem to lose the emotion they create...sometimes i dont even know what they re singing about, but they create a profound effect on me... just my opinion xoxo Heather xoxo ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Is there still time? If we wake and discover in life a precious love, will that waking become more heavenly?" Natalie Merchant "In silence you hear who you are becoming. You create yourself" Jewel Kilcher ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Kris Kane wrote: > Hi Angels, > > I just watched the Merrideth Brooks performance of her hit "Bitch" on Jay > Leno. Afterwards, I was thinking about how, in comparison to Jewel, most > other artists these days appear one dimensional. I don't mean this as a put > down of Merrideth, or anyone else. Actually, I kinda like her song and > there's plenty of room for all types of music, as we've discussed before on > the list. But, lately, almost everybody I see on TV or hear on the radio > bores me and seems to be retreads of tired out formula pop music, without > heart and soul. What I'm interested in is the fact that Jewel seems to have > raised the bar to a new level. Perhaps it's her song writing ability, her > awesome vocal range or her profoundly philosophical inclinations. I'd be > interested in hearing what other Angels think about this. What is it that > sets Jewel apart and makes her so special to you? > > To stimulate conversation, I'll throw out a tidbit that I picked up while > listening to a tape of Bob Dylan being interviewed on WNEW-FM in New York, > in 1984. > > As most of you know, Jewel frequently mentions Dylan (especially the > nose-tweeking incident) and her respect for his talent is quite evident. In > the above mentioned interview, Dylan said...and I paraphrase...that he's > been waiting for someone to come along and take what he's done (as a > singer/songwriter) to a new level. He said, that it's not egotism on his > part but that he honestly hasn't seen anyone yet (as of 1984) who has gone > farther than he has. He said that, before he dies, he'd like to see someone > come along who is doing that. This is especially poignant, considering > Dylan's recent health scare and hospitalisation. > > As has been stated before on this list, Bob Dylan is widely considered to be > the most influential signer/songwriter of the last thirty years and music > critics consistently place his song "Like A Rolling Stone" at the top of the > list of greatest rock songs of all time. My hunch is that if anyone can take > it to a higher level, it's Jewel. "Pieces of You" although a dated "time > capsule" as admitted by Jewel herself, demonstrates the amazing potential > that she possesses. As EDA's already know from Jewelstock and the other > tapes that we have access to, her next album is going to blow the socks off > the music world. I for one can't wait for the rest of the world to discover > what we already know. > > Any ideas on any of this? > > Kris Kane > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > "Everything is holy! everybody's holy! everywhere is holy! > everyday is in eternity! Everyman's an angel! ... > Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the soul!" > > from "Footnote To Howl" by Allen Ginsberg > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:34:42 -0700 From: smithr@agcs.com Subject: JEWEL Launch... Something kinda cool that I have is a "Launch CD", where it is basically a promo CD, but is has some artists including JEWEL in a real time display of her singing Who Will Save Your Soul. Then there are different interview questions that she answers too, it's great! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "David B. Rosengard" Subject: Jewel/Dylan/Leonard Cohen/etc. > Afterwards, I was thinking about how, in comparison to Jewel, most > other artists these days appear one dimensional. - ---- It isn't just that artists now appear unidemensional...there are tons of artists from past eras who turned out similar formulaic pap... the fact of the matter (as it appears to me anyhow) is that most musical "artists" are both uninspired and uninspiring... though some eras seem to have more than their share of shallow, meaningless music ... anyone think that at the moment we are in one of the better periods or one of the worse? ... in any case, Dylan and Jewel are definetly multidementional artists, and I think that there are certain parallels... - ---- > My hunch is that if anyone can take > it to a higher level - ---- ummm... perhaps... what do you mean by a "higher level"? ... while I belive that Jewel has the technical abilities to play in a Dylanesque genere, I'm not sure if that's what Bob was talking about.... I think that her musical style is, more or less, reminisent of Dylan's, but the point is that both are unique... it appears to me that both Jewel and Dylan are fully capable of creating a deep, meaningfull, emotionaly charged song... by virtue of expirience, Bob may have an edge of sorts... Blood on the Tracks certainly wasn't his first album, and to expect Jewel (or anyone else for that matter) to match the emotional depth of Blood (for example) early in her carrer is a bit unrealistic... I am fully willing to belive that Jewel can craft songs as meaningfull as Dylan's, but I *really* don't think that means that Dylan's music is being taken to another level... in fact I can't comprehend of anyone other than Bob taking his music to another level, just as I can't imagine anyone other than Jewel taking her music to another level... so I suppose that my reaction is that, no, Jewel is not taking Dylan's music to another level, not because she is a lesser artist, but because since both her and Bob are actual artists, no one other than they can change their music... On a similar topic, Jewel always reminded me of Leonard Cohen... I see massive similarities in both musical style and song topic (Chelsea Hotel v. You Were Meant for me... for example) ... in fact, she reminds me more of Cohen than Dylan.. anyone else have any thoughts on that? - ---- > As most of you know, Jewel frequently mentions Dylan (especially the > nose-tweeking incident) - ---- ??? could someone please explain this... ah, and does anyone know if Jewel has ever covered any Dylan songs, and if so where can I get my hands on a recording?... Well, I've taken enough of your bandwidth... Just my thoughts David "Things done out of Love are beyond Good and Evil" -Nietzche ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Willcourt Subject: More Jewel Lookalikes Well Jewel and Renee Zellweger's similarity has been beaten to death, as has everyone else's similarity to Jewel. But just to add to the fire here's my contribution: After watching the Movie Awards I thought Ellen Barkin looked a lot like a middle aged Jewel. I guess she's about 15 years too old to have capitalized on her physical similarity to the popular image. Oh well. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Fett30@aol.com Subject: Bob Dylan vs Jewel ok, i KNOW i'm going to catch hell for this, but as a musician i can't just sit back. I mean this in NO disrepect of Jewel or any of her fans. I love her too. But, can we please stop comparing jewel to Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan has been around FOREVER and his remians one of the best singer/songwriters/poets of our time. i consider myself lucky to be living in the same time as such a person. Jewel is another excellent songwriter/singer/poet. but she has not come as far as someone like Bob Dylan. Dylan took the energy and voice of a generation and used his magic to create something amazing. Bob has been doing this for more than 30 years. Jewel, although having played all her life, has not attained the same "status" as Bob Dylan. But, unlike Bob, Jewel is basically a new face in music. We'll giver some time and i'm sure she's going to be around forever also, but that takes time. I hope very much to pull out my guitar and teach my son "old Jewel tunes" just like my dad did with me and Bob Dylan tunes. We're all young. i plan on being inspired by Jewel for many years to come. But this is techniacally just the start of her career. I'll stop my rambling now, thanks for listening to one more schmuck run off at the mouth. Take it easy everyone ~peter~ "now i lay me down on wounded knees left to dwell through sight and sound alone, now that you're gone." - PB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:13:03 PDT From: "Luke Nye" Subject: NJC: thanks for all the help THanks for all the help i got from all the edas with angelfood and my questions. THanks Luke ********************************************************* * "Don't shut the door * *On my soul * *And hold you souls door for me" L. Nye, 'Hold the door'* ********************************************************* - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:32:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Trueblu4u1@aol.com Subject: Lilith Fair!!!!!! I have posted this before, but I was wondering(hoping) that an Angel(besides me) was going to the Lilith Fair in Mountain View. I am sooooo excited!!! It's less than a month away!!! Ahhh! What should I wear any ideas? So, please if you're going let me know, maybe we could hook up! ~ChristyA.K.A The Biggest Madonna Fan in the World E.D.A's 4EVER!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:32:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Str8Ej@aol.com Subject: Sorry but i gotta leave You guys are the nicest people, but this list just isn't for me. You all have this great loving feeling and I admire you all. Thanks, it was fun while it lasted but I must now go, maybe I will see some of you at Harbor Lights, ya never know. bye love, XtomX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:41:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Trueblu4u1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: untitled poem Great Poem! My name is Christy and I'm 14. Although I'm only 14 I have written many poems, and a song! I wrote the lyrics and my friend (who plays guitar) wrote the music. And, I love to hear work by other artists(especially Angels!), I love how everyone is chipping in a poem here and there. It makes me proud to be an Angel. Love, ChristyA.K.A The Biggest Madonna Fan in the World E.D.A's 4EVER!!! - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: untitled poem Date: 97-06-17 14:39:05 EDT From: Trueblu4u1 To: Image888 Great Poem! My name is Christy and I'm 14. Although I'm only 14 I have written many poems, and a song! I wrote the lyrics and my friend (who plays guitar) wrote the music. And, I love to hear work by other artists(especially Angels!), I love how everyone is chipping in a poem here and there. It makes me proud to be an Angel. Love, ChristyA.K.A The Biggest Madonna Fan in the World E.D.A's 4EVER!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dalfinn@aol.com Subject: NJC:Houston Hello Eda's- I need some info. I want to go see lilith fair while i'm in Houston visiting my freind who is moving down there in a few weeks and does anybody know what the woodlands ampitheatre is like? Is it nice? How far away is it from houston. I'm just wondering if it will be worth going. Thanks! Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Fett30@aol.com Subject: Bob Dylan and Jewel didn't know if this went through proporly or not - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Bob Dylan vs Jewel Date: 97-06-17 14:03:14 EDT From: Fett30 To: jewel@smoe.org ok, i KNOW i'm going to catch hell for this, but as a musician i can't just sit back. I mean this in NO disrepect of Jewel or any of her fans. I love her too. But, can we please stop comparing jewel to Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan has been around FOREVER and his remians one of the best singer/songwriters/poets of our time. i consider myself lucky to be living in the same time as such a person. Jewel is another excellent songwriter/singer/poet. but she has not come as far as someone like Bob Dylan. Dylan took the energy and voice of a generation and used his magic to create something amazing. Bob has been doing this for more than 30 years. Jewel, although having played all her life, has not attained the same "status" as Bob Dylan. But, unlike Bob, Jewel is basically a new face in music. We'll giver some time and i'm sure she's going to be around forever also, but that takes time. I hope very much to pull out my guitar and teach my son "old Jewel tunes" just like my dad did with me and Bob Dylan tunes. We're all young. i plan on being inspired by Jewel for many years to come. But this is techniacally just the start of her career. I'll stop my rambling now, thanks for listening to one more schmuck run off at the mouth. Take it easy everyone ~peter~ "now i lay me down on wounded knees left to dwell through sight and sound alone, now that you're gone." - PB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Subject: Jewel: The Next Dylan? As for the recent postings about whether Jewel can be the singer/songwriter to exceed the influence of Dylan, I find it one of the most interesting topics discussed lately. First of all, I think Jewel does have a chance to become that great (or at least to the level of Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro, etc), but other contemporary songwriters are farther along in their careers and thus have greater chances. First of all, it reminds of this wonderful song by a local (growing bigger by the minute) singer/songwriter named Wally Pleasant (ask me about him, he's a great find), that I'll transcribe here: Song for Bob Dylan by Wally Pleasant Bob Dylan was the first Bob Dylan Who was billed as the next Woody Guthrie He traveled this land with pen in hand and wrote about what a mess it was in Bob Dylan was the first Bob Dylan Lou Reed was the next Bob Dylan And he was ready, able, and willing To study the urban landscape with a cynical grin He wrote about S&M and heroin Lou Reed was the next Bob Dylan And the next Bob Dylan is waiting around the corner And the next Bob Dylan is waiting around the bend And the next Bob Dylan is the flavor of the week on MTV Singing about hypocrasy Bruce Springsteen was the next Bob Dylan A working-class blue-collar spokesman Columbia Records found him on the Jersey shore Rolling Stone says "The future of rock-n-roll" Bruce Springsteen was the next Bob Dylan Tom Petty was the next Bob Dylan A late 1970's Bob Dylan fill-in He could really rock-n-roll with his Heartbreakers Now he's got season tickets to the Lakers Tom Petty was the next Bob Dylan And I want to be the next Bob Dylan Yeah, I'll make my imitation calculated and cheap I'll sing songs with a raspy attitude voice And people will think that I'm deep Neil Young and Donovan Billy Bragg, John Wesley Harding, Jackson Browne Even the lead singer of Motley Crue Has a little of Bob Dylan in him And the Bob Dylan wannabees Keep fallin from the trees Greenwich Village still has an overflow And the critics gather round to find the next Bob Dylan sound But I want you to remember this Before I go Bob Dylan was the first Bob Dylan Who was billed as the next Woody Guthrie He traveled this land with pen in hand And wrote about what a mess it was in Bob Dylan was the first, and only, Bob Dylan That's it. If the song has any flaws, it's its lack of female artists mentioned. The song was written about four years ago, so before Jewel came around, but at least Tracy Chapman deserved to be mentioned in it. Anyway, here's my take on Jewel being the next Bob Dylan. Going for Jewel: 1. She genuinely is a very good songwriter, as evidenced by _Pieces of You_. She incredibly effective with her unique love stories -- the pictures drawn by "Foolish Games", the sitting-around-the-house-after-a-breakup pictures painted by "You Were Meant For Me", the neediness of "Near You Always". 2. Other songs I've heard evidence that she's getting markedly better as she ages. "Love Me, Just Leave Me Alone", "Carnivore", "Satellite", "Cleveland", etc. could be destined to be classics. 3. She has a very nice sense of humor, especially evidenced by her tongue-in-cheek songs like "Cold Song", "Rocker Girl", "Sunshine Superman", "Under the Water", "RaceCar Driver", etc. 4. She's not shy. She seems to be very close to her fans, which could definitely help her career. 5. Probably the finest voice in all of pop music, with definitely the most range. Against Jewel: 1. She's hardly the best candidate right now in the conteporary singer/songwriter world to overtake Dylan, in my opinion. This is mainly because her career is too young to speculate (Look at Edie Brickell. Her first album was better than PoY, and she's now dropped out of sight). But people like Ani DiFranco, Tracy Chapman, Dan Bern, Suzanne Vega, and others I think have more song-writing prowess and more to draw from than Jewel does right now. She's a better songwriter than other contemporaries like Tori Amos, Tanita Tikarum, Shawn Colvin, Sheryl Crow, Juliana Hatfield, and many others, however. 2. She is beautiful. This is good for right now, but may hurt her later. Someone else mentioned this earlier with more eloquence, so I won't say anything more about this. 3. She has released one album in three years. I'm sorry, but I'm still bitter about this. The idea of withholding releases to sell more albums is appalling to me. Ani has released something like 9 albums in 7 years. This is apparently mostly Atlantic's fault, but I'm still bitter. I don't think Bob Dylan would have done this. There you have it. -- Mark - -- Mark A. Miazga Michigan State University miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI USA "Yeah I don't sleep, I only dream A caffeine hole burning through my spleen" -- Brenda Kahn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:41:12 -0700 From: smithr@agcs.com Subject: Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? On Jun 17, 3:26pm, Mark Anthony Miazga wrote: > > 3. She has released one album in three years. I'm sorry, but I'm still bitter > about this. The idea of withholding releases to sell more albums is appalling > to me. Ani has released something like 9 albums in 7 years. This is > apparently mostly Atlantic's fault, but I'm still bitter. I don't think Bob > Dylan would have done this. > I would have to challenge this particular statement. I think that if she were to release album after album, people might have trouble keeping up with her (an overkill of songs, for lack of better words). Plus, the longer time span between albums means that more thought and planning can go into what will be in the albums. Too many entertainers sign contracts saying they have to have 'x' amount of songs / albums over 'x' amount of years, and that is when you have albums come out with one or two good songs, and the rest of them really make you wonder where they pulled it out of. Just my .02... EDA...still trying to earn his wings :) - -Roger Smith smithr@agcs.com Check out my JEWEL webpage http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/5739 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:52:08 -0700 From: smithr@agcs.com Subject: Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? On Jun 17, 3:48pm, Jeffrey Miller wrote: > ..except that Jewel has an immense amount of material just waiting in > the wings to be released, plus an entire album that was recorded last > summer that is just on the shelf, gathering dust, waiting to be > released. The artists you're talking about usualy don't have alot of > material (or talent!) and then have to rely on other songwriters, which > leads to less coherent albums, which.. well, you can begin to see where > it goes (straight to the $4.99 bargin CD bin!) This is also true...but, however, if she were to go nuts and release all of her songs that she has.....Then what? I think timing is everything. - -Roger Smith smithr@agcs.com JEWEL Page: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/5739 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: JaZzToPaZ@aol.com Subject: The Jewel Radio Commercial Yeah, I've heard that commercial many times...just about every week on Casey Kasem's top 40 it comes on. There are also other muscians whom have a commercial like that...the guy that sings "Solitude" (Edward McCain?) does one too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:14:36 -0700 From: red_ranger@juno.com (Nick the blurred Angel) Subject: Re: poetry advice Jonders wrote: >Hello. Excuse me, but since this is about poetry, i couldn't resist the >urge to throw my two pennies in. > >Poetry is the ability to cry without having eyes, to laugh without >lungs, and to feel rage, without a single damn thing around you. And >most of all, poetry is written for the writer and those he wants to >share with. > >But this is just my opinion! ;) Well, I can't agree with this. Poetry is the ability to cry BECAUSE you see what is going on around you. You are able to feel rage, and laugh and notice these things to a critical degree if you are a "poet". However I am going to have to agree with "Poetry is written for the writer and those he wants to share with." Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:09:43 -0700 From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Subject: Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) John, Can I ask you a question? Why are you still using the list to talk about this illegal bootleg. It is an insult to the rest of the list. We have voiced our opinion that we do not want anything to do with stolen property. Jewel has trusted us not to get involved with this dirty side of the music business. I suggest that we do not do any trading with anyone that posts or is involved endorsing the bootlegs. Why should they get any angelfood when they don't buy into the policy of fairness but continue to let the leaches of music profit from their own greedy need to have what they want regardless of its legal or moral implications. I also suggest we don't give that garbage any more free publicity by using its title in our replies. If I see it sold in any local store, I plan on turning the information over to the local police, the J-Team, Atlantic Records, and ASCAP. Igor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:06:40 -0400 From: William Chinda Subject: Re: JC: Toilet Paper? >At 03:25 AM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >>OK...the question is this (and this was discussed by a number of people >>before posting, so bear with me...) >>Do you put the roll of toilet paper on in the bathroom with the paper >>coming out the top or out the bottom, and which way do you think Jewel >>rolls it? >> Jon Akers >- ---- >LOL... this is just the kind of question that run through the minds of all >jewel fans isn't it? Other questions running through my head: - -Just what the hell is "chochamelly"? - -Why do you always hear little girls screaming out "PLAY I'M SENSITIVE" on concert tapes? - -What does "dark girl" do for fun? - -When will we get to see T-Bone play his accordion? W. Chinda wc81@ao.net http://www.ao.net/~wc81/ Chinda on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:20:12 -0400 From: William Chinda Subject: Rolling Stone letters on "Cosmic Girl" These letters are in the latest issue of Rolling Stone: Once again, Jancee Dunn has come through for Rolling Stone. She has not only given us a painful and touching look into Jewel's past but also has written a story that anyone would enjoy. Thank you, Jewel for allowing us to get a little closer to you. Jennifer Lee Studio City, CA Let me get this straight: Jewel has a couple of cutesy ditties inch their way up the chart and you make comparisons to Joni Mitchell? What, are you that desperate for a new chick icon to dwell on? If popular music is fortunate enough to be graced with another Joni Mitchell, she will arrive on her own - not from some cover-story push asking, "How did Jewel do it?" Do what? She didn't. Don Juan's reckless daughter? No fucking way. Eric Fisher Philadelphia, PA I was shocked and ecstatic to see Jewel on your cover. She is by far the most intellectual, passionate female in the music business. It's about time the world opened its eyes to what Jewel has to offer. Robin Winright Belding, MI W. Chinda wc81@ao.net http://www.ao.net/~wc81/ Chinda on IRC ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #446 ***************************