From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #303 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, April 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jewel is a singer indeed:Mike [Tim Schoenberg ] Re: response to the jewel idolatry thing [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] MrBB- MESSAGE FROM JEWEL [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: teachers [John F Chance ] JC:rolling stone [BurnBlk@aol.com] rollingstonejc [BurnBlk@aol.com] Re: Jewel Rude? [rickbond ] re:Andrew [steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin)] NJC: BMG %50 card giveaway ["Tim Gavin, The only true paranormal of the F] Hi guys...NJC(sAhrY)..read on if you're bored [Emilia Garvey Subject: Re: Jewel is a singer indeed:Mike Hello fellow Jewel fans, I am long, long time subscriber to this list and a very long time listene= r to Jewel. Way, way back from her Innerchange and Java Joe days. I was goi= ng to ignore this thread, and quite frankly stay off most of these =93I=92m right/your wrong=94 threads. Actually the only time I became involved in = one of these was in the great =93NJC/JC=94. That was a freedom of speech issu= e and I had to speak out. After seeing this second letter I decided a few comments were in order. I have copied the original letter and then added = my replies to the specific parts of the letter I thought needed some other voices and interpretations. Let me say I felt it necessary to make these comments because I didn=92t want the new or easily impressionable members= of this list to see only one persons interpretation of the truth. Further I = am not the kind of person who believes anything is served by arguing. In my opinion, no ones idea=92s ever get changed from arguing. Arguing merely serves itself and angers people. I think people who argue, simply like to argue. I know this was true in high school, college and now in my later business years. People seem to be on one side on this letter=92s interpretation or the other. Th= ese are not the people I am trying to talk to in writing this. I am writing t= o the people who have not yet formed an opinion or are without one regardin= g these matters. As I see it, everything in life is a matter of interpretations of the =93truth=94. Most people get a level of satisfacti= on from arguing about there interpretation of the =93truth=94. I believe tho= ugh that these =93truth=92s=94 however, are things that at their most direct= ly levels can not be argued. Let me provide and example. For instance there may be a car on the street. Let=92s say the factory classifies the paint= of this car as deep purple metallic. If you follow conventional thinking the= n you would have to say that this car had deep purple metallic paint. Yet, one person could look at that car and say it looks black. Another person could look at the car and say it is dark blue. It could be because of the light at the specific time they looked at it, or maybe the sunglasses the= y were wearing or maybe they are a little color blind in one color spectrum or etc. What neither can argue is that car does have paint on it. What I will attempt to do in my replies are to comment and include =93truths=94,= not an interpretation of the =93truths=94.=20 Hello Jewel fans {I find it interesting that you did not include the word =93fellow=92. Ri= ght from the begging of your letter here you take a position of advisarialism. A jewel fas vs. me idea. Perhaps that is not what you meant but your word= s can } SNIP... Yes, there are many charitable organizations set up in people's names tha= t do great work and that is all well and good. And I don't have any proble= m with a few more good people in the world. If you want to donate blood or volunteer or whatever, that's great, the world needs more of that. The thing that really got me was the giving her b-day a tittle and the references to being more Jewel like. Yes she is a lovely person from everything I know about her and I'm sure you all agree with that. So bei= ng nicer and more caring is definitely not a bad thing. It's just the whole tone of it smacks of something more than "this woman is really great". Why the need to make a big deal out her b-day anyway? = I can understand noticing it and maybe listening to a bunch of her music on that "most -revered" of days, but what the heck is going on here? People that you are fans of have b-day all the time, do you celebrate them all? {I think this here is obviously a matter of interpretation. You interpret the fact that Jewel is having a b-day and that some people on this list want to celebrate that as a =93big deal=94. I could say I interpret this = as =93not a big deal=94. But the fact is that anything that can get people u= nited in some way to do some type of collective =93good=94 is a useful thing. I= f more people got united and accomplished these =93good=94 things eventually we wouldn=92t need to be speculating on why people are doing these things, because we would be doing them. Here your =93most-revered=94 comment seems to be adversarial. Actually fans of celebrities and non-celebrities celebrate those peoples birthdays all the time. Every national holiday is a celebration of someone=92s b-day. } But you say" Jewel is different, she is special." Yes, she does have a different feel to her than your standard celebrity. Most do not talk of philosophy in their interviews. And am I the only one that tires of hearing the same "hands manifest thought, we are all angels= , we become what we feel" stuff at every interview? I have heard her say t= he same things So many times. ( I realize that probably upset a few of you, this was not my intent) {I never tire of hearing Jewel talk about things that she feels passionately about. She is a passionate person and has passionate ideas a= nd opinions. Her singing allows her to voice these ideas and opinions. She i= s intelligent and expresses her ideas and opinions to as many people as she can. That why she is always talking about her ideas and opinions. You saying you have =93heard her say the same thing so many tim= es, so you are tired of it=94..would be like me saying I am tired of hearing = her perform YWMFM because she performs it all the time. It is part of what she does and who she is.} You say that you think of her as your friend. Um... l would be a little scared if I was her right now. Yes, she seems friendly and personable enough but how many of you have ever met her anymore than a brief "hello, you're great" kinda thing, if even that? To take a celebrity or anyone yo= u do not know and consider them your friend is just plain not right...cucko= o for coco puffs, ladies and gentlemen. {Considering Jewel a friend has nothing to do with being crazy. They dont mean that they consider Jewel a friend in the normal, your buddy next doo= r friend. What they feel is the ability to be a friend with her. Another words if the situation presented itself and Jewel returned the feeling th= at they could like to have her as a friend. That obviously doesn=92t mean th= e feeling is returned. It does mean that for whatever reason, be it her musical lyrics, the way she sings, her poetry or the kind of person she appears to be in public, they feel comfortable enough with her or feel so= me type of connection with her where they would want Jewel as a friend.}=20 SNIP... Since most of us Don't know her, we don't see her faults. She is just a person like you and me(well, alot more singing ability than me,true)and s= he has faults. I'm sure she gets mad and yells at people over stupid things and makes mistakes and does things wrong like we all do. SHE IS HUMAN to= o. But we don't know her so we don't see that, all we see is the wonderful singing poet with the brilliant thoughts and voice. So she becomes perfect in your eyes. To tell the truth, I would not normally devote quite this much time to thinking about Jewel, but I feel = a need to say a few things here. So since she is perfect, all who speak ou= t against her are naysayers who defile the truth with their blasphemous words. I don't mean to speak ill of her, but I just want to point out a few things to those of you obsessed with her. {You say a lot of things in this paragraph that are truths. Jewel is inde= ed =93human=94. As every other human on the planet obviously she has faults = and makes mistakes. We all do. What is also obvious is that when in public, a= nd that is the only time that we should comment about what she does, she strives to sing and talk about things that make the audience perhaps think a little more. Her private life, and all that goes with it, mistakes and triumphs are her business. I dont think she is perfect in anyone=92s eyes. Hopefully we all realize she is not perfect. Jewel she seems to learn from her imperfection and try to rise above some of those things. That is why perhaps some people on this list see her as more perfect then themselves. She does strive to be a good person and learn from her mistakes. Both if these ideas we could all practice.} And as far as her giving selflessly, I don't think playing a free show fo= r a fan club is really tireless devotion. It is a nice gesture and it soun= ds like all had a great time, yeah for you,but she is being made out to be Mother Teresa because of it. =20 {Most importantly to understand what you say about =93playing a show for free...=94, you must remember what Jewel does. What does she do? She sing= s but the truth is she entertains. She is an entertainer. Just like a actor/actress or a director. So in reality singing is as much a job as it is a form of art for Jewel. It pays her bill=92s and she happens to love doing it. So like any other job it would be foolish to think that someone would =93give for free=94 of what they do for a living. That is unheard o= f in the business world. No one gives away what they do for a living for free. A person usually would devote some time or effort to a charity or whateve= r as an act of thanks. But never do what you do for a living for free. So y= ou can see why this concert was so amazing. You are correct in stating that this was =93not an act of tireless devotion=94. What it was was an incred= ible act of gratitude. She wanted to pay back all her loyal fans from this lis= t in what she considered a special way. She did indeed. She provided us wit= h a unique and totally exclusive experience. I can say that I have listened to music and attended concerts for over 20 years. I have also been in various fan clubs and mailing lists. To my knowledge no other singing artists has ever done anything like this for there fans, for FREE. We are not making her out to be =93mother terressa=94, we are merely stating how important and how spe= cial this event was. So all the accolades that are bestowed on Jewel about Jewelstock from people on the list are merely facts. It was an amazing event with an even more amazing reason for happening. If you interpret the facts as something they are not, i.e.: =93we are making her= out to be mother terressa=94, then you have should think more about How this concert happened and why.} =20 To you and me, a concert is a big deal, something that is looked forward = to for weeks in anticipation. And afterwards it is talked about for days. But to the performers, they do this every night. And if you happen to me= et whoever, that is remembered for quite a long time, but they meet fans all the time. =93But Jewel is different, she loves us." I'm sure she does appreciate her fans, she says it all the time and that really is a good thing. But a free show or a hello is a much bigger deal = to you than the celebrity. {I assume you were not at Jewelstock so I dont think you can comment on what it meant to Jewel. I can say she seemed to enjoy it as much as we di= d. She took a lot of time at that event to read poetry and make an effort to talk to the audience. She knew these people were fans and I think it allowed her a new level of freedom with the audience. No one except Jewel can tell what it means to her to meet a fan or perform a concert. It foolish for any one to comment on things they cant speak firsthand about. }=20 snip... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:04:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: response to the jewel idolatry thing On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, June A. Weller wrote: > Albert, > Thank you for your piece by piece message (How do you do that quoting > thing?) but I think you missed my point. I'm not saying that we should > not strive to be the best that we can be every day. Rather, I'm arguing > that we should believe that humanity is beautiful and respect the title > of Human by being the best that we can be every day. Hi Jules, Thank you for clarifying. :) It wasn't at all clear in your original post that that was what you were saying. ^_^; And now that I understand it, I can agree that yes, we should believe that humanity is beautiful and be the best we can every day. I guess the problem with semantics came up because human is often used as a disclaimer with a slightly negative connotation- so the word choices became entangled in interpretation. > The first step > toward self-love is self-recognition. We have to recognize our foibles > (notice, a foible is a little thing, not armed robbery or murder) in > order to work on them. But, at the same time, we can't beat ourselves > up for those mistakes. Perhaps I'm just viewing these semantics as > wishing to be something other than what we are, which I view as > self-betrayal. *nod* I completely agree with you. :) > However, I recognize that when you use the term angel, > you are using it as symbol of the best that we can be. I similarly use > the term Human (capitalized like a character in a medieval morality > play). Like I said, just semantics. It definitely does appear to be semantics. :) > (By the way, I didn't see the > Nickelodian thing, I personally use that phrase when speaking to > children so I don't think it's rude, and I only threw that blurb in to > hint to everyone that 1. when people do seem to slip up, don't villify > but encourage them and 2. I'm really sick of reading about it). *nod* I really do think that a lot of people over-react to a lot of the little things Jewel does. Had anyone else done it it probably wouldn't even be worth mentioning. > As for the Hounounyms, according to Swift (the dialectic voice) they > are not perfect but erroneous if not evil. In that respect, you are > correct. But according to the naive narrator, they are perfect. Hence > the reference. Ah, but that's just it- the narrator is naive. It sounded like you the writer was contending that Swift's narrator was correct in his assessment of perfection, which as it turns out, he was not. :) I understand what you meant to say in the reference, but it came across differently. :) So we both do agree they're not, but to the naive narrator they are. > When I mentioned perfect people, I meant those who had that saccharine > veneer of perfection. Basically, if everyone continues to shalack (is > this how its spelled?) Jewel with Nutrasweet, I'll be reduced to hating > her or them (and this would be a very bad thing) Well, then that becomes a superficial "perfection."- but then again is that really any kind of perfection at all? I guess I view perfection in a person as someone who is wholly perfect in heart, in soul, attitude, etc. Superficials are at best only a tiny fraction of the formula- but I admit fully that's just me. :) > As for the Lucifer thing, that's only one version. Well, it was the prevailing version prior to Milton- whose own works to me are just fiction, but whose influence can clearly be seen in today's Chrstianity. Joseph Campbell covers the myths in a number of his books. > According to > Milton's version, he fell because he refused to worship the Son not > because he refused to serve man. Ah, be careful here. The Son was considered both God and Man. Keep in mind that Paradise Lost was also written in 1667, much later than the prevailing myths prior. What Milton wrote was an interpretation of the fall of Lucifer, the gathering of forces in Pandaemonium to retake Heaven by force, and the events that transpired. But it's still an interpretation- notice he uses a ton of references borrowed from Greek Mythology. If you read closely you'll note parallels between Hades and the Elysian Fields and Hell and Heaven. He even uses the great monsters from Greek mythology. If you read the first chapter carefully, Milton makes it clear he's assuming Lucifer was pretty arrogant and wanted God's throne, etc. So you have a slant in the writing right away. He paints a very different unsympathetic Lucifer, the incarnation of pure evil. > Adam and Eve were not even created > until the fallen angels were licking their wounds in Hell. To say that > they were imperfect because they fell would mean that God (whether you > believe in God or not, we are at least discussing the same mythos) had > created them with a glitch, which is highly contrary to the view of God > as all wise, powerful, and good. Oh, not at all. By the same reasoning you can say God created Man in his own image and so the fact Man is imperfect, God must be imperfect as well. A perfect being can create an imperfect being- it happens when you give them free-will. Once the angels are free to choose for themselves, they can make mistakes. The same is true of people. Just as humans on earth can make mistakes by their choices, so can angels- but angels are closer to God, so the idea is they make very very few. It's an asymptote the closer you get to God, at least that's the idea. > (Whether pre-lapsarian angels and > humans were created with such gliches is an endless theological, > philosophical, and literary debate. This is simply my take on it.) So > unfallen angels are perfect. And I choose to differ. :) The angels are not perfect, but unfallen angels are as close to perfection as you can come- God is the only being that's perfect. Again, this is just my own take on it. :) > Finally, as for my dystopic comment. Often people in pursuit of their > own defined brand of perfection (your well taken point) reject and > repress all criticism. I've noticed in the few short days I've been on > this list that anyone who even remotely or constructively criticizes > Jewel is delivered hate mail. That is scary. I agree that that's scary, but at the same time I do know that some posts I've seen weren't written in the most diplomatic manner. The reactions may be as much a reaction to the way the note was written as to the content. For instance if someone posts "I think Jewel was totally rude for yahdy yahdy and she was totally wrong, etc" That's not constructive criticism. That's being opinionated and posting an attack on Jewel. Another way to word such a thing might be "I saw Jewel's show on blah blah, and felt that she could have handled yahdy yahdy a little differently. Does anyone else agree?" Notice both messages say the same thing, one is pleasant, the other somewhat mean and will probably elicit a major attack. > I enjoyed this intellectually stimulating debate. I was not offended > and hope likewise for you, I enjoyed it as well and was definitely not offended. :) I think more debates should be as stimulating and civilized. :) Albert Wang Dark Seraph bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:37:24 -0400 From: Gerry Lipnowski Subject: Rolling Stone article, EDAF & more Hi everyone, This is an obnoxiously long post. Sorry, but here goes..... First, the Rolling Stone article. ROLLING STONE Although it is far, far more positive than negative, I can see the parts which have caused Nedra and Jewel to be upset. But quite frankly, after reading Nedra's message as conveyed to us by Alan, I was expecting much worse. I'm certainly happy to have heeded the good advice proffered by Alan, Dave and a number of other EDA's who counselled us to read the article first. I was mildly tempted to write Rolling Stone an angry letter right after Nedra's note. Anyway... Some of Jewel's quotes about Atz such as when she talks about her folks' divorce: "And my Dad at that time was out to lunch, bless his heart. And mean." probably come across to Jewel as much nastier than what she meant by the things she said. But I don't think anyone in this day and age can be really shocked by the journalistic convention that demands some sort of conflict in order for a story to be considered worthwhile. You know that SOMETHING about the divorce of her parents was going to come up, and I feared the article would go into the whole Nikos and her Dad's subsequent excommunication thing. This is stuff Jewel freely talks about in her concerts, but could have easily been manipulated by a reporter into something much uglier than just about anything else in the article. I don't believe that a casual observer or reader will come away with a negative view of Atz, but they won't have a positive one either. And we EDA's know that Jewel definitely must have attributed some very positive qualities to her father that were not in the article. I would guess that would account for some of Jewel and Nedra's negative reaction. Some of the less kindly comments the reporter Jancee (what the heck kind of name is that anyway?) makes are acceptable, even if we disagree with them. For example, the reporter at first feels "Squirming Disbelief" at one of Jewel's "frequent discources". Okay. An honest reaction to Jewel's openess, which can make some people uncomfortable. But a line such as "Her boyfriends - and there were many -" is just plain catty. However, as the article itself acknowledges, "Jewel knows how to take care of herself." On the other hand, the really damning part of the article is the sentence which reads "More turmoil ensued, however, when Nedra, a glass artist, was investigated by the FBI for, according to Jewel, shady book dealings by Nedra's business partner." I started my journalistic career 20 years ago, and if I had ever written something like this, without substantiating the facts, I would have been fired. Deliberately leaving all that ambiguity in that phrase 'according to Jewel' is shoddy, lazy and damaging journalism. The reporter should have checked with the FBI to get the facts if she didn't feel trusting enough to take Jewel's comments at face value, and then she should have decided whether this is a relevant notion to place in the article. In reality, we easily see through their strategy and realize why this is presented in this fashion. It's deliberately constructed so that Rolling Stone can defend itself in a lawsuit if this business partner of Nedra's sued the magazine. "Hey, all we said was that JEWEL said this. Sue her, not us." And of course, RS couldn't bring itself to leave out something so juicy. (The state of contemporary journalism. Yuch.) It's the only part that I found genuinely offensive. Jewel can take of herself, but I know she would be far more hurt by something that reflected poorly on one her loved ones than if it were just a negative comment on herself. I personally may still mention my concern about the fairness of that 'accusation' to the Rolling Stone editors. Nevertheless, the article is 90 % positive and includes such accolades as "...the power of Jewel's voice, a mighty, crystalline wonder." But cover stories in Rolling Stone - as fame and popularity itself - can be a double-edged sword. Sean Hooks is pretty vigilant about reminding us of that fact. Good thing, too. Actually, I thought of Sean when I saw the long list of credits for the cover photo of Jewel (Hair by ____; make up by ____; manicure by_____; jeans by_____; etc.). Yup. People will sure go out of their way to get 'Pieces of Jewel' if they think they could make a buck off of her. I guess that just comes with the territory, doesn't it? EDAF As always, I've gone on too long. Oh well, let me just ramble on a bit about the EDAF project Alan spoke of. I think it's a tremendous idea, that many of us will be able to rally around. However, we'll have to start some serious discussions about structure if it is to be successful. There are some substantive risks in this type of activity, no matter how well intended we are. I've seen some horrible and divisive issues emerge in a whole slew of volunteer organizations with which I've been involved. Some of the things we need to do to help diminish the risk - in my extremely humble opinion - include: - - establishing criteria for the projects we will support; Do we support events organized by a church group? What if that group publicly opposes abortion, and members of our list who have opposing views demand we withdraw our support? - - determining to what extent are we responsible as individuals for collective decisions, and vice versa; If someone absconds with funds that were raised for a project, would the EDA Foundation be responsible to make up the loss? - - deciding how much structure we intend to impose. Do we offer EDA's guidelines and suggestions for participating in the Foundation, or do we want actual policies? And what would be the consequence of non-compliance? If one of our members offered his or her support as a representative of the EDAF to an organization we find unnacceptable, how do we handle it? Expulsion from the list? These questions are not meant to throw cold water on the EDAF concept. But they are all real life examples of matters which I've had to face in some of my volunteer activities. If we want to collectively do something more formal than the current projects we have slated for Jewel's birthday, I believe we'll need a collective will to work through these questions. Much like the double-edged sword of popularity which Jewel must deal with, we too must be prepared for what comes with the territory when you try to make a difference in this world. It is not the easiest path. But it can be the most rewarding if you're willing to make the effort...so count me in. My apologies for the verbosity. Have a great weekend everyone. Gerry P.S. I never even posted my unbridled support for the JPK Trust project, but believe me, that's how I feel...as well as feeling so privileged to be part of this great community called the EDA's. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:07:07 -0400 (EDT) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB- MESSAGE FROM JEWEL Hi all, As I mentioned earlier today Jewel & Lenedra both love this JPK Fund raiser we're all doing together as well as the EDAF idea. Jewel just sent me a somewhat related message (how timely!) to forward to you. Enjoy, :-) Alan(MrBB) Hi! Thanks for taking time to write to me. Most of all, thanks for helping me get where I am. YOUR SUPPORT HAS ALLOWED ME TO LIVE MY DREAM. I'm getting tons of mail and I love it! If I write to everyone I would be choosing to write letters instead of songs. And you know my choice! So I'm going to take a journal approach and write bits and pieces of letters as I have time. Lately I've been thinking about the sweet gifts many of you have sent me. I'd like to spread the giving around a little more. I have so many gifts and blessings in my life, but there are many others deserving praise or in need of a kind word or gesture. Give THEM a gift from YOU and me! It would make me really happy to hear about the sharing you have done for someone else. So spread your wings and let me hear from you. I can't wait to hear about what you do! Thanks for the love, Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:40:09 -0400 From: John F Chance Subject: Re: teachers I have read a couple of posts lately telling us that by befriending our teachers we can raise our grades. While I admit this is true in most cases I must disagree to this being an acceptable way of raising your grade. (I would like to note here that there are generalizations in this post and I am not speaking about anyone in particular, unless I state otherwise. Also these are my opinions, I have studied this problem and have read many justifications for similiar things and am basing everything on those I BELIEVE to be true. If you do not like what I say, please be kind.) Let me start by saying I am speaking mainly from my collegiate experience, having dropped out of highschool I can not justifiably speak of the situation at that level, but many things are similiar between the two. Now, why do I disagree with this. There are a few reasons. First of all it is the students responsibility to learn and the teachers responsability to teach. Often students do not like the teaching style of a paricular teacher (myself included). Even if we don't like the way they teach it is still our responsibility to learn the information presented. In most cases we must adjust our studying styles and attitudes toward our classes if we are going to suceed in classes. Why should we do this when the other way is easier? The truth is that befriending a teacher will probably help you in that class, but befriending people will not always help you in "real" life. School at all levels is, after all, supposed to prepare you for "real" life. By practicing the act of befriending teachers to raise your grades undermines the purpose of schooling. Admittedly it seems that today we must attend higher levels of school (i.e. college and vocational schools) to get this preparation, but thats the world we live in and can only be avoided in a few cases. The reason we have to do this is because it seems that the current day k-12 levels of school are falling short of this purpose. This is do to many reasons which would take FAR to much time to go into. Another problem I have with doing this is the way it affects the reputation of teachers. With the shortcomings of 90's students, the opinion of teachers has fallen very low in this country. Again there are many reasons that 90's students are doing as poorly as they are, but I am going to stick to just one reason. It seems that the attitude of students today is become increasingly lazier towards academic pursuals. We have come to expect more for less. This is perhaps due to the increasing phenomena of grade inflation. The bottom line is that this atitude affects the stages of your life that follow the one you are in now. As each year passes you will become less and less prepared in your academic life. If you go to college you may be completely unprepared (something I see a lot off). If and when you graduate college you will be unprepared for a proffesional life. You also must understand that there is a growing struggle between teachers and administrations. Many administrations want to raise the percentages of A and B students through the afore mentioned phenomens of grade inflation. At the same time many teachers are trying to resist grade inflation. Pressure from both students and administration puts teachers in an undeserved posisition, they lose control of education entirely. While I am not saying that teachers should have the last word on education, I do believe they should have a say in it. While there are many more parts to my argument this post is getting long, and I have papers to write and finals to study for. Let me finish by saying this. If you are in a class and no matter how much effort you put into it, you can't seem to do well, look at your academic life before this class. This is most often because people have not properly prepared themselves for this level class. If possible try retaking a class (I have done this and it works, even if it isn't an appealing option). You may want to try a different teachers, who's style you can better adapt to. If you have a reply you can do it privately or post it to the list, it doesn't matter to me. If you wish to know more about this I recomend "Generation X Goes to College" by Peters Sacks (to this day i do not know what "Generation X" means or came from, despite the fact that I am part of it). This book deals with collegiate level problems, but these problems are more evident at this level. John F Chance - - Excuse all gramatical and spelling errors (I have never retaken an english class, and regretting it). - - To all of those with finals coming up, GOOD LUCK!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BurnBlk@aol.com Subject: JC:rolling stone so she is on the cover and inside rolling stone right now in the store! woohoo!!!!!! wendy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BurnBlk@aol.com Subject: rollingstonejc jewel is on the cover of rolling stone its on the shelves! wendy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:16:06 -0400 From: rickbond Subject: Re: Jewel Rude? > >> I'm not saying Jewel has been rude or in anyway unpolite , but > > > >Umm...didn't she tell someone to F*** off, or give them the finger and > >it was a big thing on the list? That's rude and unpolite, and damn > >it...I'd proud of her. ;) > > Well, she's given the finger to several people requesting "Freebird" and > she's told Howard Stern to "F*ck Off", but, then again, I'm not saying > those people didn't deserve what they got, considering their inconsideraton > (is that confusing yet?) Oh believe me...I don't disagree that they probably deserved it. :) Rick Bond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:12:47 -0700 From: steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin) Subject: re:Andrew So are you saying that it would be OK to do anything if no one said it was bad and you should not do it??? hmmmmmm that's nice...lets read a little more into this :-) Sorry but I just can't see where reading things into this is a EDA thing? STEEL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:14:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tim Gavin, The only true paranormal of the Fu Sheng beaver." Subject: NJC: BMG %50 card giveaway wow, I throw those in the trash. Sorry to burst your bubble. If anyone asks, I'll save 'em next time. I never buy more than I have to, though. I buy my one obligatory CD and quit. I've been through six times already. It's fun! tim gavin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:28:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Emilia Garvey Subject: Hi guys...NJC(sAhrY)..read on if you're bored Eda people, I just wanted to share myself with someone, considering I have had a VERY important, VERY minorly1 life-affecting(or at least it seems like it) past couple days..But I'll start with today.. My school's band went to state today...it was in Peoria(about two hours drive) and we had to ride a school bus(considering we rode charters to Florida, we got REALLY spoiled). I sat on a wheel and it was hard to get my trumpet case under the seat. I listened to my cd player most of the way there..I loaned to this one guy for a really long time. I COULDN't find jewel :( ...anyway..we got there, and living in Illinois, we rarely see any hills, so Peoria, which had hills, was absolutely beautiful. When we got there everybody went up to the concession stand(the cafeteria)..the school we were playing smelled really bad :).. THEN, we went to watch the sixth graders perform, since both the 7+8th grade(combined band) and 6th grade got ones(best possible score) in district(which was cool since we sang Disney songs on the bus). The sixth graders played well, but they got 2s(at state)...we felt so sorry for them. BTW the stage was a gym so it sounded stinkier, and we had to be really careful on dynamics. Then we had to play, and we were really scared, because of the 6th grades not-success, and just because. But in the practice room Mr. Hankins(the coolest band teacher ever) says "Let's kick some BOOtY!) and we all started cheering. He is great*marveling*. Then we played and everyone(it seems like) squeaked. We played Centuria Overture , On A Hymnsong Of Phillip Bliss(a grade 4 piece for you band people), and Alamo March. We went back to our instrument room and mr. hankins came in and said "WE KICKED SOME BOOTY" really loud,it was cool. As I was walking to change my clothes(I had been in a tuxedo shirt,skirt, hose,and heels) later, they put up our scores(all 1's :) ) and I was the first person to see it...and I ran screaming back down the hall to tell everyone. After I changed I went and got some nachos(darn good ones) and some mountain dew(that stuff sucks but it gives you a real good rush) and got on the bus...while lugging around my big bag(and listening to S.P. on my cd)..when mr.hankins came to say bye to the bus we all started talking about how he was our god..on the way home a bunch of guys hyperventilated for fun...it was weird...but I got to listen to cake and stuff..then we went home, and I love home. It's a great place to be..and WE WON!! I love band competitions, esp. the one in FL..oh..I just love band..:-) 8-) :*) Yesterday was less exciting, although it was more monumental in my little growing up thing..I went to University High School for a day (because my dad teaches there).. my best friend goes there..and *gulp* the guy I like(aren't I stupid)..but HE was in my dad's class. I was so sure I was gonna be able to talk to him, but I didn't..and I really scar-ed myself for life..I just looked at the back of his head..it was depressing..just deppresing, and I just started hating him, and I went home, and I cussed a lot to myself, and cried at three different times. And I almost don't like him anymore, and its a little better(at band practice last night I was crying because I was really sensitive to the music, but I wasn't able to do that today)...but its not any better..It's really wEErd. But it just really depressed me yesterday..I hadta tell someone..and if your read this whole message, I reeealy commend you..I'm sorry if this is like, against the law of the list..WRITE ME, i need support :) j/k BTW does anyone know a good Bush e-list?? Emilia "The Jilted Angel" Garvey _____________________________________________________________________ She's an ugly girl, does it make you want to kill her? She's an ugly girl, do you want to kick in her face? She's an ugly girl, she doesn't pose a threat. She's an ugly girl, does she make you feel safe? Ugly girl, Ugly girl, do you hate her 'cause she's pieces of you? -Jewel Kilcher "Pieces of You" _____________________________________________________________________ <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> *Don't you feel salty now?-G.M. * <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:22:07 -0700 From: howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duplessis) Subject: Kris' beautiful letter Kris' beautiful letter makes clear the appeal and inspiration Jewel holds for many people. When I was growing up, Bob Dylan was a guiding light and while they're quite different personalities it's true that both artists can bring out the same positive idealism and social conscience. There's something very special happening on this list -- whether it be birthday ideas, the EDA Foundation or day to day communications between EDAs. If the cynics will just be unafraid to check their prejudices, mean-spiritedness and other negative traits at the door, it'll be clear, too, that all our energy can be used for good. However big or small an act, we choose whether to be mean or kind. There's really no choice, is there? Adrian ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #303 ***************************