From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #286 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, April 20 1997 Volume 02 : Number 286 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tabs [Gregory Willms ] Nick awards are on for those that missed it. [kulisu@arn.net (Chris Pavek] Re: Kids Choice Awards [Shane Kirk ] Re: Kids Choice Awards [Andrew Chandler ] Re: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra [BeefJerky ] Re: Kids Choice Awards [kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries)] JC: Rolling Stone [Rachel Kramer Bussel ] NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! [ehite@twsu.campus.mci.net (Tanner Davies)] NJC: Cindy Lee & Elizabeth [W1GGY2@aol.com] Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! [Burkeman ] Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! [jonny22@webtv.net (Jon Miller)] Re: JewelStock 1997 [sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel)] The Rolling Stone and the Cold Song... [MaXaJoB316@aol.com] Totally NJC:Dave is a Prince ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] Re: stop the bashing for god sake!!! [Patrice Pinkard ] Jewel is just a singer [Batdump@aol.com] NJC: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) ["Mark Frab] NJC: Thank You :) [That Little Voice Inside Your Head Subject: Re: Tabs i dont know if anyone has answered this yet, but i posted them a long time ago, and if someone stuck them up on their web page, im sure theyd be more than happy to let you know... On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Gambit wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had the tabs for "Angel standing by" > If you do can you please send it to me. THANKS > > > > > - -greg - ---------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/broadway/2606 | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "And now you are and I am now and we're a mystery which will never happen again." -- E.E. Cummings - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Every time she sneezes I believe it's love." -- Adam Duritz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Let me have music dying, and I seek no more delight." -- John Keats - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:13:53 -0700 From: kulisu@arn.net (Chris Pavek) Subject: Nick awards are on for those that missed it. I'm in central time so it should be on here and on the east with appropriate timezone delays elsewhere. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:08:19 -0400 From: Shane Kirk Subject: Re: Kids Choice Awards >well i wasnt happy to see that she did >YWMFM (i was expecting the more kid friendly sound of "i'm sensitive") as >much as i love jewel solo and accoustic sometimes she just needs to adjust >herself to the audience. i mean if you know youre going to have 10,00 kids >around you and they really dont wanna hear a slow song about the troubles of >love then try and have fun, bring out a band, play electric, dont tell them >to be quiet (oh i'm SURE they all appreciated that) she seemed pretty >nervous, i'm sure she realized that the kids werent interested. oh yeah and >one more thing (i never thought this day would come, but...she was wearing... >FACE GLITTER.... waahhh...) haha. Well, the truth of the matter is, she probably didn't have a choice in the matter. The oversee-ers (i dunno how to spell it) most likely only cared about the #1 song in the nation. You must realize, had she not been #1 at the time, whoever was would have been on that stage. That's corporate rock for ya. I too wish she could have played another song though. I would have loved to see her do Race Car Drive and I know the kids would have got a kick out of that one. /@ Shane Kirk \ \ P.O. Box 1783, Inez, Kentucky 41224 ___> \ (__O) \ shain.kirk@sbaonline.gov (____O) \ thumper@eastky.com (____O) \ (__O)_ \ http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/3602/ \ \ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:16:52 -0400 From: Andrew Chandler Subject: Re: Kids Choice Awards Did anyone notice that almost all movie awards and actors/actresses from movies were from PG-13 movies? Excuse me, but when I was 5 years old, I couldn't even watch all PG movies! What's wrong with America? Kim R Ries wrote: > > I must say I'm ashamed of what kids are growing up with today - the > Fugees, Jean Claude Van Damne, Coolio, and half the other presenters and > nominees. Come on - I guessed more than half of them. I wish Jewel hadn't > of done this show. They didn't care about what she was singing. They > started cheering in the middle of the song and I think it was because > they thought it was over, not that they loved the song. All the sports > teams were obvious - Bulls, Yankees, Packers (notice anything that's > similar with them?), and the Magic. And that kid from Jerry Maguire > (forgot the name) called Melissa Joan Hart (sp?), Malinda. Rosie didn't > know the name of the song Jewel was singing. Immature and Savage Garden > (that guy can't sing live - he was so out of tune) both remind me of > Michael Jackson. The only highlight was Jewel and I felt sad (not because > of the song) watching the performance - why do they choose a singer that > doesn't belong there? She didn't belong there and you could tell she knew > it. > > Kim > __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:33:56 -0500 From: BeefJerky Subject: Re: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra I will definitely either e-mail them or call them and COMPLAIN! --BeefJerky At 02:14 PM 4/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > Everyones packing up for Europe & will be out of >touch for a while. We'll be relying on you European EDAs >to keep us all informed. > However, before they go, there >is some disturbing news. It seems Rolling Stone >magazine has decided to do a hatchet job on Atz >& Lenedra(Jewel's parents). That is upsetting to say the least... > I don't have all the details, but I expect a deluge >of speculation on this list when it hits the stands. > All I can say is don't believe everything you read at >face value. I'm posting this in a hopeful effort to avoid >harmful speculation. Instead, call Rolling Stone directly >on there article(after reading it of course). > Heres the message from Lenedra to this list. (Its slightly >paraphrased because it was part of other irrelevant info.) > Here's the important part for you all....... MrBB > > <article. They are doing a number on her dad, only the negative >stuff, and saying something seriously stupid and harmful >about me without explanation. > Jewel sees how the interviewer manipulated her to get info >out of her and then in addition manipulated the info. Shes feeling >pretty wary and a little disallusioned about printed press and >wondering about a world intent on bringing things down to a low level. >She said she hopes people begin to write and call "journalism" on their >pettiiness whenever they see this kind of stuff, she hopes people start >asking more of them. > Jewel says hi to all of you and wants you to know that she feels and >relys on your support. > >As do I, thank you >Lenedra>> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:43:48 -0500 From: "K. Angel Rozett" Subject: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra I too will send a message yo Rolling Stones. This type of 'fight against wrongfull media' actually works. When I = saw an ad which was offensive to me (In the magazine 'YM', the 'Candie's = Shoes' ad of Jenny McCarthy on the toilet with her panties around her = ankles. ICK. ) I wrote a letter to the editor and to the Printer of the = magazine and ranted and raved for 3 pages in the letter. Two weeks = later I recieved an apology note and a promised retraction from both the = editor and the publisher. Just goes to show that if you take action = againts evil, you can defeat it. Also, justa big hello to all the 'Everyday Angels'. I am a new = subscriber to the list and just started recieving it today. I am = thrilled to find a place to talk about my likes and dislikes of Jewel. = She is a brilliant artist as well as poet and I envy her. Keep up all = the great supposrt, EDA's, and Jewel keep up the phenomonal performing! ~~ Angel Rozett 'BeefJerky' Wrote: I will definitely either e-mail them or call them and COMPLAIN! --BeefJerky At 02:14 PM 4/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > Everyones packing up for Europe & will be out of >touch for a while. We'll be relying on you European EDAs >to keep us all informed.=20 > However, before they go, there >is some disturbing news. It seems Rolling Stone >magazine has decided to do a hatchet job on Atz >& Lenedra(Jewel's parents). That is upsetting to say the least... > I don't have all the details, but I expect a deluge >of speculation on this list when it hits the stands. > All I can say is don't believe everything you read at >face value. I'm posting this in a hopeful effort to avoid >harmful speculation. Instead, call Rolling Stone directly >on there article(after reading it of course).=20 > Heres the message from Lenedra to this list. (Its slightly >paraphrased because it was part of other irrelevant info.) > Here's the important part for you all....... MrBB > > <article. They are doing a number on her dad, only the negative >stuff, and saying something seriously stupid and harmful >about me without explanation. =20 > Jewel sees how the interviewer manipulated her to get info=20 >out of her and then in addition manipulated the info. Shes feeling=20 >pretty wary and a little disallusioned about printed press and=20 >wondering about a world intent on bringing things down to a low level. = >She said she hopes people begin to write and call "journalism" on = their >pettiiness whenever they see this kind of stuff, she hopes people start >asking more of them. =20 > Jewel says hi to all of you and wants you to know that she feels = and=20 >relys on your support. > >As do I, thank you >Lenedra>> =20 > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:48:40 -0700 From: Casey Hansen Subject: Tiny Lights Bootlegs Hello all, does anybody have any bootlegs from the Tiny Lights tour other than the NYC and Philidelphia ones? Danke, Casey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:58:34 EDT From: kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries) Subject: Re: Kids Choice Awards Another funny thing was that 3 or 4 adults would be nominated and the one that would usually win was the one that was a kid or most kid like (Rosie, Jim Carrey). If it's a kids award show, most of the people should be kids (ie - like Michelle Phiefer had a chance against Rosie). Then for best actress in a tv show they had Courtney Cox, Jennifer Aniston, Tia and Tamara, and someone else. I bet half of those kids don't even watch Friends (isn't it rated tv-14?). Who chose these nominees? I know the kids voted but the some of the nominies didn't fit in with the rest Kim (*= __________________________________________________________ On Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:16:52 -0400 Andrew Chandler writes: >Did anyone notice that almost all movie awards and actors/actresses >from >movies were from PG-13 movies? Excuse me, but when I was 5 years old, >I >couldn't even watch all PG movies! What's wrong with America? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Rachel Kramer Bussel Subject: JC: Rolling Stone OK, now, I just have to say I find it a little unnerving that so many people are ready to write angry letters to Rolling Stone WITHOUT EVEN HAVING SEEN THE ARTICLE! I mean, we don't know yet what they said, and you're jumping on them for shoddy journalism - aren't we making some rather risky assumptions here? And besides, while I'm playing devil's advocate, I'll say I don't personally know Jewel OR her parents, so I don't know if what they write is true, and unless you do, how do you really know you are right? please don't flame me, if I disagree with the article I will be sure to write a letter, as I often do, but please at least wait till you read it to write those letters. :) Rachel "it's a privilege, it's a background it's everything that I own it's thinking I'm the hero of this pretty white song it's thinking I'm the hero of this pretty white world" -- heavens to betsy, "white girl" my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: ehite@twsu.campus.mci.net (Tanner Davies) Subject: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! 4/20/97 Hi all you EDA's! Dave , In response to your crappy and Ignorant response to :NO MORE CRITICISM ..We must object . You obvioulsy dont know anything about Jewels life. What do you consider hard life anyway? . When Jewel was living in Alaska she did not even have some of the basic things in life..like a shower, a good education etc...When she moved to San Diego she used to live in her VW van. She survived on peanut butter and bread. Worked as a waitress in cofeeshops and played her music . We really dont think you know what you are talking about and you should read about her before you open your big mouth! Tanner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:09:20 -0400 (EDT) From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: NJC: Cindy Lee & Elizabeth Hey, angels! A quick note about last night at Maxwell's in Hoboken. I don't know if anyone's posted about it yet, but... Eric (crashboy) & I got there around 10:00. Right on our heels was Jared and his friend, (Tracy?). Right behind them are some people - Jared introduces us to Elizabeth Hummel and Cindy Lee Berryhill. They are very nice and soon after introduce us to Mojo Nixon, the headliner, also from San Diego. He and his band definitely must shop at the same stores as Stinky. Their wardrobe was, well, interesting. Elizabeth wasn't supposed to be playing at this show, but she did a 3 song set. Unfortunately, there were very few people besides us. The crowd increased a bit by the time Cindy went on. Both were terrific. Afterwards we hung out and talked for a while. They are so sweet. We kicked around the idea of having another house party at Jared's but they didn't have a day free. We left with hugs from both and now I'm off to see them at the Knitting Factory. This will be a big one for Cindy Lee - lots of record people and she also said there would be an internet simulcast. I don't know where though. Gotta go! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Burkeman Subject: Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Tanner Davies wrote: > In response to your crappy and Ignorant response to :NO MORE CRITICISM crappy and ignorant? Is this a civil way to have a friendly debate? > ..We must object . You obvioulsy dont know anything about Jewels life. What Who is we referring to? > She survived on peanut butter and bread. Worked as a waitress in cofeeshops Actually it was carrots and peanut butter. :) Just kidding! > and played her music . We really dont think you know what you are talking > about and you should read about her before you open your big mouth! Once again, who is we and I've personally met Dave and his mouth is normal sized like any other human, one allowed to make his own statements and opinions without someone jumping all over him. He replied to your comments politely and professionally; we (meaning on this list) can all work harder to present our views this way. Be nice to one another! - -tim 'burkeman' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:51:48 -0400 From: jonny22@webtv.net (Jon Miller) Subject: Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! I think some constructive criticism is ok, like Dave did, but telling him not to open his big mouth and saying he doesn't know what he is talking about is pretty rude. I've dealt with Dave with some trades and stuff and he does know what he is talking about. He also has some manners on the list and doesn't rudely flame people. As for Jewel's having a hard life, I think it doesn't matter if she has or not. I don't think her self esteem is so low that if the very fan club she loves so much has some constructive criticism of her it is going to crush her. Just because she lived somewhere where there was no electricity or running water doesn't mean she had a bad life. She probably had a better childhood than most of the children raised in inner cities and exposed to all the negativity she avoided. Her parents did divorce when she was eight. This is rough, I can speak from experience as the same thing happened to me. But I also wouldn't say I've had a particularly bad life. As for living in her van, that was one of the happy points in her life, where she could concentrate on writing and singing. She expresses this feeling in her poem Upon Moving Into My Van "Joy, pure joy, I am what I always wanted to grow up to be. Things are becoming more of a dream with each waking day- the heavy brows of daily life are becoming encrusted with glitter and the shaking finger of consequence is beginning to giggle. Grumpy old men have wings. Bums sport halos and everyday dullness has begun to breathe as I remember the incredible lightness of living. " As you can see, I don't think this was a particularly traumatic time in Jewel's life, but rather the opposite. As for being a waitress, I think there would be a lot of depressed people in this world if everyone who ever waited tables had a bad life. I guess the bottom line is, we are not robots who are programmed to deeply praise everything Jewel does. She is also not a robot programmed to be absolutely perfect at all times, none of us are, and if we expect that of her we are only setting ourselves up for a letdown. She's a damn good singer/songwriter, one of the best in my opinion. She's also pretty smart and has some good things to say. To top it off, she's pretty good looking. But not perfect. And we should feel free to have our own opinions on what she does. And all of us EDA's should feel free to be able to post an opinion we have without being told to shut our fat mouths. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:56:14 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: JewelStock 1997 Andrew Chandler wrote: >Will there be a Jewelstock 1997? I hope so. It'll be a little harder this time, because she's more popular than before and people are demanding more of her, filling up her schedule. Mark - --- I'm sorry that Jesus died for my sins, and I swear to God it won't happen again - --Jewel "Sometimes It Be That Way" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) From: MaXaJoB316@aol.com Subject: The Rolling Stone and the Cold Song... Could somebody please tell me when that Rolling Stone issue is coming out? Also, I would really really like a copy of the cold song...i'm willing to trade what little i've got... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:20:00 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Totally NJC:Dave is a Prince In response to absolutely nothing, I just wanted to say that Dave DiCicco is one of the most devoted, completely unselfish, giving and caring EDAs I've had the pleasure to encounter. - -=-Larry-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 11:18:26 -0700 From: howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duplessis) Subject: Rolling Stone (and other) media smear jobs hi: I need a new monitor 'coz my screen has gone black so I'm typing but can't see what I'm typing so please understand if there are typos... Rolling Stone has been known to publish mean-spirited and poorly researched articles on various artists in the past (in this, unfortunately they are not alone -- "journalism" these days doesn't dserve the anme). IN recent times an RS writer lifted material almost verbatim from an on-line source called Cybersleaze and reprinted it with some other malicious and slanted words about Sheryl Crow. There was an infamous incident in the last few years involving Ozzy Osbourne in which his family posted info on the internet (if you do a word search for Ozzy on webcrawler, I think, you'll find out about this travesty.) These sort of things tell us more about the journal than they do about the artist and person who is the supposed subject of the article. And, in ways, they can be trails by fire. Truth is the ultimate power and, if there's going to be hatchet jobs (and for some reason there always are), then it's good to get it out now and put it behind Jewel. It's hurtful and it's wrong that this happens, but when it does we can all do our part to uphold the truth and stay positive. "It doesn't take a talent to be mean, and words can crush things that are unsee..." Jewel's bound for greater glory and if obstacles are thrown in that path, love, integrity and honesty will overcome them. This is truly a time for EDAs to use their energy for good. Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:22:26 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) Subject: ADMIN: Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! Tanner Davies writes: > Hi all you EDA's! I don't know how you can use the phrase Every Day Angels, (or it's abbreviation) and then abuse another list member in the same email. Dave contributes quite a bit to this community. In case you don't know, Dave is part of the jewel-news moderation team, which is a pretty thankless job. Without him (and the other 3 people who share the job), the jewel-news list wouldn't exist. One thing that people seem to forget on lists is that there is a human being on the other end of that email address. I doubt you would say the same things to Dave on the phone. I think you owe Dave (and the rest of the list) and apology. The the rest of the list community: I don't think there's a reason to contine this discussion. - -jeff (the list owner) > Dave , > > In response to your crappy and Ignorant response to :NO MORE CRITICISM > ..We must object . You obvioulsy dont know anything about Jewels life. What > do you consider hard life anyway? . When Jewel was living in Alaska she did > not even have some of the basic things in life..like a shower, a good > education etc...When she moved to San Diego she used to live in her VW van. > She survived on peanut butter and bread. Worked as a waitress in cofeeshops > and played her music . We really dont think you know what you are talking > about and you should read about her before you open your big mouth! > > Tanner > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BORKMAN437@aol.com Subject: It's Nickalodeon, what did you expect? It's Nickalodeon, what did you expect? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:37:02 EDT From: kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries) Subject: Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! On Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:51:48 -0400 jonny22@webtv.net (Jon Miller) writes: >As for Jewel's having a hard life, I think it doesn't matter if she has or not. I >don't think her self esteem is so low that if the very fan club she >loves so much has some constructive criticism of her it is going to >crush her. Just because she lived somewhere where there was no >electricity or running water doesn't mean she had a bad life. She >probably had a better childhood than most of the children raised in >inner cities and exposed to all the negativity she avoided. Her >parents did divorce when she was eight. This is rough, I can speak from >experience as the same thing happened to me. But I also wouldn't say >I've had a particularly bad life. As for living in her van, that was >one of the happy points in her life, where she could concentrate on >writing and singing. >As you can see, I don't think this was a particularly traumatic time in Jewel's life, >but rather the opposite. As for being a waitress, I think there would be a lot >of depressed people in this world if everyone who ever waited tables had >a bad life. I guess the bottom line is, we are not robots who are >programmed to deeply praise everything Jewel does. She is also not a >robot programmed to be absolutely perfect at all times, none of us >are, and if we expect that of her we are only setting ourselves up for a >letdown. She's a damn good singer/songwriter, one of the best in my >opinion. She's also pretty smart and has some good things to say. To >top it off, she's pretty good looking. But not perfect. And we >should feel free to have our own opinions on what she does. And all of us >EDA's should feel free to be able to post an opinion we have without >being told to shut our fat mouths. Jon Good point Jon, just because somebody loves someone doesn't mean they have to say that the person the most perfect thing in the world. Jewel is NOT perfect and that's WHY I love her so much. Anyway, sometimes criticism can be a good thing. Would you (meaning anybody) like to have a very good friend of yours say that something was awesome when it really needed help or point out what needed improvement? Also, Jewel is not the only person who has had trouble in their life at some point (my folks fight so much now that I wish they had divorced so I wouldn't have to choose sides anymore). I wouldn't mind moving to San Diego, living in a van, and eating carrots and peanut butter (hhhhmmmm). It would give me the chance to focus on my art (get away from people always saying "Oh my God, That's so good!!!! - How can you draw like that?!?" - that gets so annoying - especially if I hate the picture. And my folks saying that I can't pursue my art in college 'cause it's to competitive of a field). In all Jewel hasn't had that bad a life (is not having electricity all that bad - the amish (sp?) get along fine w/o it). Kim the suddenly talkative angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:41:06 -0400 From: "Jon \"THE HULK\" Graby" Subject: Re: NO MORE CRITICISM : DAVE!! It's a simple idea, EDA's...There is no need for critiscism on this list, and I have been given the impression that this is a very kind and loving list, a list that would want to make Jewel proud. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here...Let's just call it quits without a fight, Okay? *S* - -Jon |Jon@spacetech.com |My address |www.angelfire.com/ny/COOLPAGE/index.html |My first comics oriented page |www.angelfire.com/ny/SanFrancisco49ers/index.html|My 49ers page ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:08:46 -0700 From: That Little Voice Inside Your Head Subject: NJC:BACK FROM WORK! **APPLAUSE** YAY!!!! but it sucks, my poor puppy! heehe she got a fox tail in her nose, it is so sad, :(, but she is all better, they really ripped my parents off! $400 steenkin bucks! what cheesers! Okies any hoo how's it going EDAs?! ok, you guys IF you are gonna participate in the pillow idea please try and get the patches here by this or next week tay? tay! :) okies have a wonderful ending day, and a pleasant night! Love, Laura ******************************************************** I used to have hope, Now we got soap on a rope,I used to have dreams, Now we got overplayed baseball teams,We got grocery baggers, grafitti taggers,golf-ball shaggers, go team go.- Steve Poltz and Jewel Kilcher ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 97 18:22:59 PDT From: "Derrick Chhay" Subject: stop the bashing for god sake!!! Well, I haven't posted much to the list in a while, but after hearing all this kid bashing and stuff, I have to respond! First topic: R&B Okay, I myself am not that much of an R&B fan, I admit that. But that doesn't mean that I think it's the crappiest music in the world! C'mon, give these guys a break...they're in the music scene just like Jewel is just trying to make a living. And you people have the nerve to go down on them for this which is something they like to do and choose to do?!?!?! As far as I'm concerned, every single type of music in the world today is an art form no matter what. Every song has a message and some kind of meaning no matter how screwed up the song sounds. I mean, look at Toni Braxton and Mariah Carey...they didn't become successful by being lucky and by having an audience of just 8 and 9 year olds...they made it big because they're talented artists and they're respected by people all over the world. Just because most of you don't like it doesn't mean you have to bash it as much as you are right now. If any of you disagree with me, then I'd like you to email me and tell me where YOUR gold record is at. Topic 2: the Kids Now, I've already given my opinion about this, but I'm still hearing it. Little kids are cool in my book, and it's a damn shame that they're already getting judged and critisized this early in their life! Why don't some of you go pick on someone your OWN age, okay? Topic 3: Jewel I'm hearing "Well, Jewel shouldn't of done a show like that," and "I can't believe Jewel would do a show that crappy." Let me ask everyone this...how many of you have gone out in front of a live audience of screaming kids on national tv and sung a song before? Not that many I would think....so give Jewel credit, at least she tried. I mean, why should Jewel restrict herself to an older audience??? It's not like she has anything to lose from this experience, right? This one show isn't gonna scar her for life ya know. I mean, it can't be as bad as when she got knocked in the noggin with that frisbee! Geez, the worst that could've happened was a kid jumping onstage and touching her and saying she now has cooties! At least she tried...that's all I'm saying. In conclusion: All I have to say is that I'm very ashamed. If I were Jewel right now, I'd be very ashamed of what some of my so called "loyal fans" have to say. Jewel didn't become what she is today by listening to your judgements and critisizms(boy, i really screwed up that spelling)...she made it big by following her heart and doing what she wanted...and if she wanted to do this awards show, then who are we to bash her for it? I for one give a big two thumbs up for her effort. Now who's with me?!?!? Oh yeah, if any of you are interested, I'm starting my own teen advice group on the net and I could use some counselors. I decided to do this because of a little incident concerning Teen Advice Online and how they snubbed me just because I didn't have a picture of myself to send them. So out of my anger, I told them I would start my OWN advice group...but after a while I thought, "gee, this could really be cool ya know!" So I'm gonna be starting my own teen advice group and I'd love it if any of you would care to volunteer to become counselors. It won't take up too much of your time...I don't even know if we'll get anybody to come to us for help, but hey, it's worth a try. There's no failure in trying. Email me if you're interested. I could use some suggestions for the name of the advice group too. Cricket "And that's the bottom line cuz Cricket said so." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrice Pinkard Subject: Re: stop the bashing for god sake!!! Howdy Cricket :) This is my first post to this group. You see, i've only been here for two days. i read alot of the Nick award criticisms last night and a few this morning and i decided i had to respond. Unfortunately i didn't get a chance to this morning and now you've taken the words right out of my PC! But since i like to talk, i'll throw in my own words too. i was extremely apalled to see R&B music being put down as a No-Talent-Required type of music. That's just not true. So maybe Coolio doesn't play the guitar and sing about Everyday Angels, but he writes and sings/raps music about the things that he knows and sees and thinks. Should his music be any less respected because his human experience is different from yours? One of the most amazing musical geniuses of our time, The Artist, sings R&B. That's not to say that anyone has to like it, only that you should respect the hard work that people put into their music and not put it down as talentless. i was shocked to see these words from people who appreciate Jewel's music. It seems to me that she speaks alot about tolerance and acceptance. patrice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Batdump@aol.com Subject: Jewel is just a singer Now I'm not on this list but my girlfriend is and I read alot of the posts to it. I like Jewel alot. Seen her three times and have a bunch of rare stuff on CD so don't get the impression that I am a Jewel basher. But I just wanted to point out to everyone that she is not a god. All this "how should we celebrate her birthday " stuff is really off base. Calling it Angel day , giving blood in her name ,etc. "We all should try to be more Jewel-like." Does this sound like Christmas to anyone? She is just a singer, a very talented one at that , but not a Christ figure by any means. If you want to be a nicer person or give blood , great, but to do it in the name of Jewel is elevating her to a level that she doesn't belong on. Feel free to respond, I'm curious what people think about this. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:42:25 -0700 From: "Mark Frabotta (BEST)" Subject: NJC: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) Hi, I certainly don't mean to be offensive, start a flamewar, or give the wrong impression to a new EDA, but I felt that I had to respond to this message. First, let me say that if, in fact, the reporter _deliberately_ misrepresented himself, Jewel, her family, etc., then that is a Bad Thing. That issue should be addressed and the reporter should be fined, chastised, fired, or given some other disincentive to continue screwing with the truth, and a retraction/correction should be issued by the magazine. However, if the reporter presented the facts as he knew them, made an honest effort to uncover/verify those facts, and gave commentary on what he found, well, *that is his job*! And while we may disagree with him, his opinions, and the methods he uses to interview people, he *is* entitled to fulfill the duties of his job as he sees fit.. Ms. Rozett, if you don't like the advertisements in the magazines you buy then either don't patronize the advertisers or don't purchase the magazines any more. If Atlantic cancelled Jewels contract (knock wood), because people wrote them 3 page rants because the frank sexual innuendoes in Race Car Driver offended them, how would you feel? Threatening to write another 3 page rant over an article you haven't read, simply because it may (may!) represent a view that you might (might!) disagree with, is the same knee-jerk censorship that gets Shakespeare banned from schools. That fact that you called that advertisement 'evil', instead of say, 'in poor taste', also disturbs me. Shouldn't we all have a little more tolerance for the things we do not agree with? Don't we expect that others will be tolerant of our own failings? This is the important part: Please, as MrBB said: Read the article first, fer Gods sake! (That last bit was of emphasis mine, not MrBB's.) *Then* decide what you want to do about it. This goes to *everyone* on the list that has already started writing letters to RS too - I am not singling out Ms. Rozett on this. Thank you, Mark Frabotta - ---------------------- "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." > -----Original Message----- > From: K. Angel Rozett [SMTP:rozbud@boogins.mv.com] > Subject: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra > > I too will send a message yo Rolling Stones. > This type of 'fight against wrongfull media' actually works. > When I saw an ad which was offensive to me (In the magazine 'YM', the > 'Candie's Shoes' ad of Jenny McCarthy on the toilet with her panties > around her ankles. ICK. ) I wrote a letter to the editor and to the > Printer of the magazine and ranted and raved for 3 pages in the > letter. Two weeks later I recieved an apology note and a promised > retraction from both the editor and the publisher. Just goes to show > that if you take action againts evil, you can defeat it. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:59:19 -0700 From: That Little Voice Inside Your Head Subject: NJC: Thank You :) Thank You, all of you, you make me so happy when I am down, :), I love you, I love you, is all I wanted to say, you are beautiful, wonderful, loveable people, and I am proud to call myself an EDA :) because it makes me a part of you. I love you EDAs :) bye bye! Love, Laura ******************************************************** I used to have hope, Now we got soap on a rope,I used to have dreams, Now we got overplayed baseball teams,We got grocery baggers, grafitti taggers,golf-ball shaggers, go team go.- Steve Poltz and Jewel Kilcher ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:03:46 -0700 From: "Mark Frabotta (BEST)" Subject: RE: Jewel is just a singer Mike, I don't think that anyone on this list is suggesting that Her Jewelness is the personification of the secong coming. Well, maybe there are a *few* who think so. :-) However, I don't see any harm in honoring a person that you admire. What did Columbus do? He sailed off course, 'found' America, and killed thousands of American aboriginals with disease - yet we honor him with a national holiday. What does Jewel do? Through her music, she brings happiness, joy, understanding and love to millions of people. And as far as we know, no one has died because they listened to one of her songs. Hell, people have even been murdered in the name of Christ - remember the inquisition? Jewel or Columbus - which one deserves a day named after them more? Mark Frabotta - ---------------------- "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." > -----Original Message----- > From: Batdump@aol.com [SMTP:Batdump@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 1997 7:32 PM > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Jewel is just a singer > > Now I'm not on this list but my girlfriend is and I read alot of the > posts to > it. > I like Jewel alot. Seen her three times and have a bunch of rare > stuff on CD > so don't get the impression that I am a Jewel basher. But I just > wanted to > point out to everyone that she is not a god. All this "how should we > celebrate her birthday " > stuff is really off base. Calling it Angel day , giving blood in her > name > ,etc. > "We all should try to be more Jewel-like." Does this sound like > Christmas to > anyone? She is just a singer, a very talented one at that , but not a > Christ > figure by any means. If you want to be a nicer person or give blood , > great, > but to do it in the name of Jewel is elevating her to a level that she > doesn't belong on. > > Feel free to respond, I'm curious what people think about this. > > Mike ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #286 ***************************