From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #240 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, April 3 1997 Volume 02 : Number 240 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC- Oops... Early Entries ["Terrence R. Williams" ] Re: MrBB--Important! Lotsa NEW Jewel Information [Crash Boy ] Anyone ["Christopher Thomas" ] NJC: web ring [Greg ] Re: NJC: Poetry Contest [tiltedhalo@juno.com (Tom Harris)] Recent developments [Burkeman ] "Jeweltide Carols"&"Jewl Rocks the Paradise" [Kim Kolessar ] Hello ["Christopher Thomas" ] Re: Seeming Unavailability of Tickets to Jewel's SNL Appearance [Matt Wil] TAPES ["Christopher Thomas" ] Re: Seeming Unavailability of Tickets to Jewel's SNL Appearance [Craig ] My L.A. story ["CASEY HANSEN" ] Jewel stuff!!! ["Take a wild guess." ] NJC..:( Bumming... [Lynne Schreiber ] Re: A small world... [Crunch ] LA: 4/2/97-- setlist, mini-review [Trent Smith ] Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum [Jason ] Re: List Content: Why auctions of Jewel stuff is NOT desired on this list [Jason ] Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum [Jason ] stranger from the east [Doc3rdkind@aol.com] Re: My bit on Jason's StL Auction [Jason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:15:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: NJC- Oops... Early Entries Wow, I forgot to save a command and I screwed it up. It WORKS now, I promise. Only people who entered in the three minuted after my post would have missed it. Sorry. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 23:45:07 -0500 From: Crash Boy Subject: Re: MrBB--Important! Lotsa NEW Jewel Information Mr. BB wrote: > 4) MAY 10th, 1997--Jewel will be the musical guest on > Saturday Night Live. okay, i must give due credit to Mike Connell who predicted that Jewel would appear on SNL this year sometime. i believe the prediction was made around november or december. it was during all the speculation about what would be on the new album before we learned that the new album would be delayed. hey, mike, wanna lend your psychic abilites my way with some lottery numbers? :) eric :) - -- Crash Boy's EDA Page --- http://thespis.com/crashboy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:29:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: JC: Question... Does anyone else have something to contribute to the giveaway? This would go to ANOTHER person, not winner of sheet music. This doesn't HAVE to be Jewel items, but they help. If you wanna bake cookies and give away, that'll work too! - Terrence R. Williams "The Ghost of Auctions Past" (J/K!) thespis@thespis.com "Forget regret, or life is yours to miss No other choice, no other way, No day but today." - RENT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Christopher Thomas" Subject: Anyone Sorry, to be bothering you all out there. But if anyone is up at this ridiculous time then please contact me personaly. THANKS, Chris ASAP Christopher J. Thomas - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 01:38:18 -0500 From: Greg Subject: NJC: web ring fellow, jewel web page owners... id really like to participate in the jewel web ring. if someone can tell me how to get involved, please let me know. thanks - -greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:40:47 EST From: tiltedhalo@juno.com (Tom Harris) Subject: Re: NJC: Poetry Contest > I fpund this site a while ago and I thought I should post it >here, because there are some really good poets on this list. It >is a poetry contest being held by the National Library of Poetry. >They say it is for mostly new and unpublished poets, which I think >is most of the EDA poets. First prize is $1000, and there are alot >of smaller cash prizes for up to 60th place, and they also make a >poetry anthology of submiitted poetry, so you could get it published. > Yup... but a warning to anyone thinking of submitting. It's not a scam, but it is a bit cheesy. I checked this out a few years back, so my info is probably outdated and I may remember something wrong. I can't remember if there's an entry fee (there might be). But they do try to make you buy the book they publish (which is very expensive). I don't believe you are required to buy it, but they'll make you think you have to. Well, it's not a requirement so don't fall for their sales ploy. This contest has been going on annually for quite some time. No one's shut them down so they must be doing something right. ;-) And I never really found out for sure if major publishers pay attention to it. I'd think at least some of them would; and in any publication there's the chance that someone will see your work. So, yes, it wouldn't hurt to enter, and may just help. Just don't buy the book unless you don't mind paying too much for it. Of course, this doesn't mean you can stop pestering the editors of all those 'zines. The best way to get exposure is still to send submissions to every editor that hasn't killfiled you yet. >I really think some of the people on the list would have a really >good hance of winning. *nod* And with that I would agree. Best of luck to all who enter. - - (...giving up on keeping the list from becoming Poetry Central) - -- Blessed Be - ---pat "Those who look for life will be found by love." -- Aino Minako ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 01:48:56 EST From: Burkeman Subject: Recent developments 1. Everyone thank Alan (MrBB) for his contributions, once again coming through big time as usual. (clap clap clap standing ovation, etc.) 2. Jewel on Unplugged. My hopes: she brings along John Hagen for one. Maybe I'm just a cello fan, all I know is I was the first one to clap for him when he got off the bus in Detroit. He adds soo much. Also, the Rugburns need to be brought along. For some reason, I worry that Stinky and John will get the shaft via MTV and Steve will be the only one allowed on the show. But we will see. 3. Foolish Games. Prediction: there will be a version similar to what we heard on tour on the single, not necessarily as the a-side. 4. Video for #3. Remember, there are at least the following opportunities for the song: album, album 'edit' (ala YWMFM), w/band & piano, w/piano (no band), w/band & synth, w/band & electric guitar, solo, solo w/cello. Phew! The evolution of music. 5. All of the above is reckless speculation. I'm 90% positive of being way off base. - -tim 'burkeman' - --------------------------------------------------- Tim Burke tburke@mail.heidelberg.edu "Excuse me while I get drunk from watching too much bad TV"- Jewel "You're too young to drink alcohol."- Steve Poltz - --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:48:50 -0800 From: Kim Kolessar Subject: "Jeweltide Carols"&"Jewl Rocks the Paradise" > I haven't heard much from you guys/gals about the "Jeweltide > Carols" & "Jewel Rocks The Paradise" tape trees. Anybody > enjoying these out there? I got my tape last week and I ABSOLUTELY love them. I really like Race Car Driver and Satellite. I had never heard them before. These tapes go everywhere I travel with me. I had to buy a walkman just to listen to them while I commute 2.5 hours one way on the train to work. I don't know how I survived without them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 01:10:52 -0600 From: Court Schuett Subject: NJC: Lil bit of Poetry Okay, here's a poem I wrote a long long time about a girl. There's this one girl who always inspired me to write poetry, but I threw her away in all of my foolishness. Untitled She, more beautiful than all Under the moons beams The moon shined on her Bringing out every detail Of her perfectness The moon loved her Showered her with silver Radiated her stillness All the stars above Were no match for Her brilliance No passing cloud Could stop Her radiance A field of flowers below Could not compare to Her beauty If anybody likes it or wants to see more, drop me a line. :) - -Court ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 23:22:36 PST From: "Christopher Thomas" Subject: Hello Hello, I was wondering if you could send me a poster of JEWEL KILCHER? It would mean so much to me and if you wish then I will pay for S&H. Thanks, Christopher J. Thomas Christopher J. Thomas - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Willcourt Subject: Re: Seeming Unavailability of Tickets to Jewel's SNL Appearance Whoa, did I miss something? Is Jewel finally going to be on Saturday Night Live?! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 23:41:58 PST From: "Christopher Thomas" Subject: TAPES Does anyone out there have any JEWEL VHS'? If so then please contact me personaly at: houdini_447@hotmail.com Thanks, Christopher J. Thomas Christopher J. Thomas I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING I AM TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS WITH WORDS BUT I AM AN ANT I SCRIBBLE I DROOL I MOVE LIKE A WORM WHOSE WORLD (WORDS) ENCOMPASSED A MILE HOW DO I RISE ABOVE? WHERE WILL THIS WORM FIND WINGS? I LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND I SEE FILTH WHO IS THAT? WHERE DID THE ANGEL GO? WHY IS THERE DIRT STARING BACK AT ME? WHY IS THE SOIL OF INCOMPETENCE BENEATH MY NAILS? WHY DOES DOUBT PAINT BLUE RINGS BENEATH MY EYES AND STAIN MY SKIN? WHY DOES MY SPINE ASSUME FAILURE WHY DO MY LIPS FLIRT WITH THE SKY; WHY DO I TRY TO LASSO BEAUTY WITH SUCH A PITIFUL ROPE? WHERE IS THE HAIR OF RAPUNZEL OR SAMSON? WHERE IS MY SLING WHERE IS MY STONE, MY GUN? WHERE IS THE WEAPON WITH WHICH I MAY FINGHT THIS APATHY THATFEELS LIKE SLEEP IN MY LIMBS THAT LOOSENS MY BROTHER'S SMILE THAT KILLS MY NEIGHBOR'S DAUGHTER THIS PEN IS SCRAWNY AND HARDLY SEEMS ABLE TO INK OUT OR ERASE THIS PLAGUE THAT INFESTS MY GENERATION THIS GIANT, THIS OGRE THIS BEAST, THIS DEATH THAT ASSUMES A MILLION FACES, THAT BORROWS MY OWN. BY: THE BEAUTIFUL JEWEL KILCHER - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:40:40 -0500 From: Craig Subject: Re: Seeming Unavailability of Tickets to Jewel's SNL Appearance Neal is right...you can get standby tix. I know it sucks not to be able to get SNL tix other than in August. BTW, if anyone was wondering Letterman does the same thing and for Conan you can usually get tix a couple of days in advance. >Also, I think there's also a dress rehearsal on the day of the show that >you can be in the audience for, and you can probably get tickets for that >in-person on the day of the show, too. > >Anyway, that's still over a month away. > >-- >Neal > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:41:45 -0500 From: Chang Subject: now... now.... Angels... sweethearts... I know that this 'Jason-thing vs. the list' thing is fun and everything = ... I mean it took over 3 minutes for me to download the days = messages... but I think we can find some other topic for all of us to = share postings with. I don't think there has been a single angel on = this list that hasn't said something that they didn't mean, or make a = mistake. I know over 3/4 's have made the NJC, NJ, whatever, mistake, = and some of us still do. So someone made a mistake on the list... we = should be talking about it rather than sending nasty emails, or shooting = him down. Who knows... maybe he will be the next angel you're standing = next to at a Jewel concert, having a great time with. Think about that, = okay? Peace, Akira PS... IS SilverKat still out there??????????? "What we call human nature is only really only human habit" -Jewel "You can never have too much sugar" -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:42:42 UT From: "CASEY HANSEN" Subject: My L.A. story Well its 11:35 pm and I have just returned from the beautiful Wiltern Theater in sunny southern California. I have one thing to say about the show (okay so maybe its two words with a hyphen in them but you get my basic idea) BOMB-ASS!!!!!! THIS WAS ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS I'VE EVER SEEN! I'VE SEEN HER THREE TIMES, AND THIS WAS ALOMOST AS GOOD AS THE ROXY!!!!!!! First off the Rugburns KICKED ASS!!!! I've never seen them before an they put so much energy into acoustic instruments that I was dancing in my seat! Then the all might Jewel came out! I don't remember the set list! Who cares it still kicked ass! However the cello player could have taken the night off. But still the fact of the matter is, Jewel is just the BOMB-ASS!!! I love her and I even love the stupid little girl who could not shut up during the damn show, so I accdetally knocked her in the head as I was getting up to cheer! OPPS! Well anyway, there are probably going to have lots of L.A. reviews but here is mine. Just to some up the whole evening again! "BOMB-ASS!!!!!!!!!" Danke, Casey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 23:38:43 -0800 From: "Take a wild guess." Subject: Jewel stuff!!! If anyone has anything that concerns Jewel(posters, VHS recordings, Tapes, cd's) That they can spare to a suffering musician please let me know, thanks a lot, I'm totally willing to pay all postage and recording fees! Thanks soo MUCH! Steenber@twu.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 03:32:41 -0500 From: Lynne Schreiber Subject: NJC..:( Bumming... Hi guys hate to be depressing..I've been tackeling this myself since 6:30pm Monday. During the Simpsons, My fav show..my boss called and fired me. While he did say I'm a talented programmer he also said he felt the environment was wrong for me...(I felt the same way....) I was ready to move on but not until I had another Iron in the fire...you know , a plan so to speak. Why do I feel like such a failure. I feel like it's the end of the world and that as a programmer/analyst ( what I've been living off of for the last five years) I S*ck. I've been cocktailing at a local night club(as a second job...food money, for 2 tears), I'm moving up to bartend this summer...so it's not like i'm totally unemployed, but still, why do I feel like such a failure...Is this going to go away? Am I nuts? Are there any psych majors out there? Will this go away? AM I Beyond Help???? Lynne... phlyp@itw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:06:11 -0500 From: Crunch Subject: Re: A small world... Pinballplr@aol.com wrote: > Hey, if it's such a small world, why doesn't anyone I know know Jewel??? > :( =) What a wonderful opportunity to share the happiness! It's up to you to introduce everyone you know to Jewel! Wow! What an exciting task! =) Be an Angel Every Day! =) Crunch! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 01:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Trent Smith Subject: LA: 4/2/97-- setlist, mini-review Okay, I just got back from this show and, since in my comments on the St Louis show (3/21) I promised I'd give a concise review and setlist for this one, here goes: Near You Always Enter from the East (w/ cellist) Morning Song **story about broken-down car** A Thousand Miles Away Satellite Little Sister Cold Song **story about hitchhiking/serial killers** Nicotine Love Race Car Driver **Asks audience what we'd like to hear-- incomprehensible yells** **story about photo-shoot, super model** I'm Sensitive Sometimes it Be That Way Foolish Games (w/ cellist) You Were Meant for Me (w/ Steve & band) "Cleveland song" (w/ band - Steve) Deep Water (as above) "Down" (as above) "Just Passing Time" Fragile Flame **Asks someone off-stage if Steve is around, they say no** **Asks audience if we'd rather hear "Pieces of You" or "Painters"** Painters Angel Standing By **Story about hair/intelligence theory, Dad's eyebrows** Chime Bells ENCORE: Who Will Save Your Soul (w/ band (no SP)) Too Darn Hot (w/ mention of Cole Porter, I can't remember how/if she was accompanied, except by audience snaps) Amen (w/ cello) And that's pretty much that. There were other little bits of chit-chat, but I only included "full-length" stories. Also, I might have gotten the order slightly wrong in a couple of places, but I'm certain I at least got all of the songs included. Her set, by the way, clocked in right around 1:40. As for an evaluation, I'd have this show pretty closely tied with St Louis, although the presence of the cellist probably gives this one a slight edge. Both were breathtakingly excellent, and, after the band joined her, the set lists were even pretty much the same. I arrived late and missed part of the Rugburns' set, and am not familiar enough with them to give a set-list anyway, but it seemed quite different from their St Louis set-- of the 6 songs I heard tonight, only three (Lockjaw, the ABC Song, UPS...) were the same. Jewel did join them on "Old Lover's House," but Steve was (somewhat mysteriously) MIA during most of her set (and thus no "Adrian" or "Silver Lining" as in SL). Overall, I'd say the Rugburns were better in St Louis, but I might be biased because 1) I saw their whole set there, and 2) I came into that show with absolutely no expectations. This venue definitely wins points over the one in SL; my seats seemed about the same (distance-wise, though in SL I was near the back on the floor, and here I was near the front of the balcony). Anyway, this entire show was extremely good, and well worth my time and money, even though I'd just seen her less than 2 weeks ago-- in two more weeks I'll surely miss not having yet another Jewel show to go to. Since if I add anything more this won't be "concise" anymore, I won't. Hope everyone else present enjoyed it as much as I did, Trent Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:09:33 -0800 From: Jason Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum At 09:30 AM 4/2/97 -0500, LtjgMacC@aol.com wrote: >Umm.... I know I'm sort of just a lurker around here and all.... but, what >exactly is the problem with someone making sure an EDA or true fan has an >oppertunity to get a copy of STL? I know I went everywhere possible in my >area to try and find a copy, to no avail. It was through this list that I >found a copy. Sure I paid a pretty penny for it but it was worth it to me. I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what i underlined is a key phrase here - it was worth it to you. if it wasn't, then you wouldn't bother to respond. thank you for making my point. :) >think he had a point when he said that if someone thought it was too steep a >price they'd ignore his E-mail. I on the other hand wish he would have posted >earlier. I would have much rather paid $30 for it than what I paid for mine. >But, because I usually look at both sides of the issue..... It is Jeffs list >and if he doesn't want that sort of thing here then I guess that sort of >thing shouldn't happen here. In the future maybe the post should say "I have >a copy of STL I'm getting rid of. Any interested partys should contact me VIA >E-mail. I am selling it so take note of this before you Mail me." i thought about that. and i respect Jeff's decisions and have already emailed him regarding this. thanks for the response. __red house painters_____________________________ "down through the dirt you lead us.. one kiss before you leave. will you come back and sleep tonight beside us? the morning comes.. i feel alive.." _______________________________"the river song"__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:55:00 -0800 From: Jason Subject: Re: List Content: Why auctions of Jewel stuff is NOT desired on this list At 10:05 AM 4/2/97 -0500, Mike Connell wrote: >I am truly sorry to you all for not keeping this private. It's just that >Jeff and I (and the rest of the list veterans who likely feel similar) have >to let new folk know WHY auctioning of CDs (or anything) on this list is >not desired. > >Jason wrote: >>second, as i wrote mike, what better place to help out a Jewel fan - who >>needs "Save the Linoleum" to complete their collection - than a Jewel list? >> if someone thinks that $30 is too expensive, they won't respond to my >>post. it's that simple. > >No, it's not that simple. You didn't say the cost was $30, you said "the >current bid is $30". I think there's a wee bit of a difference there. true, that was a poor phrase, but if only one person responded - they would get it for $30. :) but i understand your point. >> if you think i'm taking advantage of any list members, you're >undersestimating >> their intelligence. people know how much they have to spend on something. > >>i see it this way: by auctioning this promo 1) i'm giving someone in [enter] >>obscure city that doesn't have a cool record store and will NEVER see this >>promo a chance to obtain this CD, > >> 2) i'm giving everyone a chance to purchase this, because picking at >> random isn't fair, > >* No, I think you are underestimating the intelligence here. There are over >800 Email addresses subscribed to Jewel and Jewel-digest, while some will >partake in this auction (as you already announced it), most who have been >around a while will not, as they will see that this is wrong (based on >overall list philosophy), and you stand to gain more than you should. >(point on that made later) > >* Random is ALOT fairer than an auction. How is auctioning fair to the 15 >year old girl who adores Jewel to no end and has no more than the $30 the >CD may have cost you? The 25-35 year old working class fan has a very HUGE >advantage in an auction. Don't seem fair to me. Random may just be the >fairest way of all, what is fairer than everyone having an EQUAL chance? drawing at random is not fair, it's luck - and it's unfair to the others that didn't get the CD. my aim with the CD was to auction it off to give the lucky recipient a rare CD and to give me money to be used for the Jewel ticket and whatever else i want to use it for. a person without money is not going to bid, and it's unfortunate that the 15 year old can't bid - but that's not my fault. why don't people who auction houses or anything else publicly just take at random the names of people who are interested, put them in a hat and pick one? they don't, though. they take the highest bidder - which is all i was doing. i'm being honest, which is what a lot of people on here are afraid to be. >* Hypothetical situation here. Suppose someone bid $75? to $100? (for some >ungodly reason) see to YOU it's not worth that much. but to the person bidding, it is - and who are YOU to tell someone "it's not worth that much"? This is basically what you're saying above, right? >>THAT is one of the many reasons why we don't want auctions on this list. >This list can not become an auction house (even though the auction would >occur off the list and in private emails) and I'm quite sure *most* of the >members agree....I know, those of us that have been here a while know the >overall mindset of this list. i don't understand this. if the disc goes for $75 then you don't want the auction on the list? i know now that NO auctions are to be on the list, but i don't understand your point above. >You can tell me that if someone wants to spend that kind of money then that >is up to them. But curiously, would you then tell them , "no, that's way to >much money, I only want to make up the cost of my ticket and time"? what i get over the ticket price and time is what i get. i never stated that i would stop once a certain price was reached, and i won't. i take the highest bidder - that's the way the auction works. >and on that note, you also said: >> i'm making a little money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday, >and for my >> time, > >* Why the heck should someone else (THE buyer of your CD) pay for your >ticket? MANY list members went to a Jewel show on this tour (many went to >quite a few and traveled many hours) I did not see ONE of them post to the >list wanting to sell or auction an item to buy or pay for their ticket. >(although many were dismayed they could not attend a show) part of the money i get will pay for the ticket. i don't need to explain what i'm using the money for, and neither does anyone who is selling/auctioning anything - i just happened to mention what i WAS going to use it for. >Why not just let the CD sit where you bought it and use your money you >spent on the CD for the ticket? because i know the demand for this CD is huge on the internet, and i used the opportunity to help someone out and also help myself out by buying my ticket, etc. i didn't SPECIFICALLY buy it for my ticket. > Why spend the time looking for the CD if >you don't want to keep it? If you already have a copy of the CD, and you >are so concerned that a true Jewel fan gets the extra copy (as YOU said you >want to "to help out a Jewel fan"), why not offer it at your cost plus >shipping, as MANY do for Jewel items? as i stated in an earlier post, i don't go the "gift giving" way, and i didn't know the ways of this list. i AM helping out a jewel fan by offering the fan a chance to bid on it. it's not YOU to decide how i do it, though. i understand now the philosophy of the list, and i don't agree - - but i have that right. >Why do you have to be compensated for >your time? Some may (and will) argue you are soley in it for the profit, I >myself am not sure. not SOLELY for the profit - but it does play a big part. i won't lie to you. it benefits both parties - YOU get a rare Jewel promo CD, and i get some money. >> I have broken no rules because this was not mentioned in the FAQ. > >True, but this is not about rules. This is about wanting to "help out a >Jewel fan" as you put it. when this disc is sold - i HAVE helped out a fan, but obviously not in the way you like or that Jeff wants it to be done. it's jeff's list and he NOW has set down some rules about auctioning - but only just now. >Let me tell you about helping out a Jewel fan. and you did, and that's great. it's too bad i'm on the west coast. :) >You see Jason, you stumbled upon a different kind of a list here. We truly >give here. While your intent may have been true to that spirit (and I will >admit I do have my doubts about that, I must be fair to you in that >regard), you just went about it in the wrong fashion. i've learned this. >I may get some flames for this post, but I really don't care. I know deep >in my heart, soul and all of my being that I am right in this, at least in >the overall mindset of this list. you shouldn't be flamed at all. you've responded intelligently and without name-calling, which is what i was asking for and what i deserve. >> am i a bad person, Jeff? > >Of course I can't speak for Jeff, but I do not at all think you are a bad >person, as I have only 'known' you via Emails a few hours now. I'm not sure >there are any 'bad persons' on this list. it seems like i was made out to be a bad guy, which i'm not. had there been something in the FAQ, we wouldn't be emailing the list right now. >We had a case before where a list member caused me (and others) much >anguish, time and money with a dilemma related to a list project. For a >while I wanted this person to just go away. We are friends now, and I am >very glad of that. :) so i hear.. :) thanks for the response, mike.. __low_____________________________________________________________ "the sea is a long, long way from me. i'd go there if i had the time.. but lying here will do just fine.." ___________________________________________________________"sea"__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:08:40 -0800 From: Jason Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum At 10:15 AM 4/2/97 -0600, Ashe Mayfair wrote: > Well, the fact that any item that has that much demand behind it >shold ever become rear seems like real stupidity to me. The fact that these >are rear just makes me sick. Sure, there probably isn't a person on this >list that dosn't want a copy of STL (if they don't have one that is) and >some of us are going to be willing to pay large sums of money to get one. I >am not one of those people because I just don't fell like wasting money one >someing in the name of collecting. what makes you sick doesn't make another person sick. you don't feel like wasting your money, so you won't. someone does feel like SPENDING money, and they feel it's worth it. it's up to them. >>I acknowledge that this is simply a difference in opinion. However, I >>have yet to understand what motivates this "cost plus shipping for the >>greater good" philosophy. > > How about form the "Money is the root of all evil" philosophy. And >it is. If we didn't have to deal with money life would be a much saver >place. Why do a lot of criminals rob a store? For money and such. Most >people here don't have 30$ yo blow on a CD. And so it becomes the peopel >the all the cash taht get it while those of us that don't have the cash are >left empty handed. Why should you not be auctioning this CD off? Can't >think of any reason why not. I just don't think this list is the place to >do it, at least not with the word auction in full caps on the subject line. >I agree with the others on this one that you should just say you have it for >sale and then tell the people that mail you that it's an auticion. Sure, >this does make your job a little hearder cus you have to tell each person >seperaly, but hey, there is not such thing as easy money. this place IS a list to do it, or so i thought. every other list i'm on doesn't have a problem because i'm benefiting those who don't have access to rarities. but i've learned that here it's a different story. so i should LIE and say it's up for SALE then turn around and say it's an AUCTION? i'm honest with my intentions, which is why i said it's an auction. >>The internet and this list serve many interests. I would hate to miss an >>opportunity to purchase a rare Jewel item because some timid reader is >>apprehensive about posting an item he or she wants to sell for fear of >>reproach. > > Ok, yesterday Terrence R. Williams posted about his sight that will >be to help EDA's get things (such as promos) by means of you poost what you >are looking for and then people see if they can help them. What do you say >Terrence? How about a "for sale" section? > >>i see it this way: by auctioning this promo 1) i'm giving someone in >obscure city that doesn't have a cool record store and will NEVER see this >>promo> a chance to obtain this CD, > > Ok, well it is possiable to get if off the internet though acutions. >Maybe the only real advantage of you doing this is there are less people >bidding. Then again, we are the more devoted people and we want the CD more >then the pre-teen girl that goes to a concert and whines cus Jewel saves >WWSYS for the till the end of the show so I don't think any one of us would >do better with your auction then the ones that are going on all the time. a fan is a fan is a fan. i don't care how you got into a band, just as long as you like what you hear. i don't judge you because you're young and you only heard WWSYS on the radio. yes this list IS devoted, and again - what better place to put an item up for auction? >>2) i'm giving everyone a chance to purchase this, because picking at random >isn't fair > > And being shut out cus somone has more money then you is fair? and giving it up randomly is fair? or giving it up to the first person who responds is fair? what about the others? there really IS no way to be truly fair. if i want to GIVE it away, then randomly would be probably the fairest. it i want to AUCTION it, which is what my intentions were, then highest bidder would be fair. >>3) i'm making a little money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday > > There comes the "money is the root of all evil" bit again. true.. >>4) i have broken no rules because this was not mentioned in the FAQ. > > Very true. Seems as tho it will be now tho ;] indeed. :) __catherine wheel__________________________________ "so think of a time. it's something to cling to. imagine a life that never escapes you. conceal it behind the colour and perfume. a flower to hide - a violet surprise.." _________________________________"flower to hide"__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:27:46 -0800 From: Jason Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum At 11:54 AM 4/2/97 -0500, Grrly1@aol.com wrote: >Hi Jason. hi thirza. >First of all since you are fairly new you most likely dont understand the >relationship we have on this list i see that.. :) >and as Mike and Jeff have Tried to make >you understand we try to help each other and we DONT try and cheat each other >out of money. cheating you out of your money? if you sent me money and i didn't send you a CD, then i'd be cheating you. >do you do that to your friends? you may... i dont know. i dont since i just joined this list, i don't have any friends here. and no i don't do that to my friends. i'll help you out, but i won't give it away. >know you well enough to say you do. but its not right. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and that's your opinion - i disagree. > and the "cost plus shipping" idea is great if you ask me. > you arent losing anything and neither is the person you are Helping out (yes > helping, get it into your vocabulary). but i'm not gaining anything either. my intention was to pay for my Jewel ticket and the extra money was for time and other personal use. i have helped out the fan by offering up the disc. please don't tell me what to get and what not to get - that's rude. >everyone is happy and no one loses. i mean your idea of having an "auction" >means that you are taking the highest bidder, now the auction may START at >$30 but the whole idea of an auction is that you want it to go higher. that's a possible outcome. but if no one else bid but one person, i'd give it to that person for $30 plus shipping. >so what if it went all the way up to $150, sure you would be making plenty of >money, but would you really feel good about yourself knowing that you just >cheated a person out of that much money for a lousy CD? wait - YOU would feel cheated. i've said this before. YOU are not bidding. the person who spends $150 - do you think they're thinking they're being cheated? no, they're not stupid. the disc is worth $150 to them, NOT YOU. they've been searching for years for this disc, and they have $150 to spend. why should you tell them they're being cheated? THEY don't feel that way - YOU do. if they felt that way, THEY WOULDN'T BE BIDDING $150. right? >i'd rather spend 5 years looking in all of the record stores in NY than to >participate in your auction. that's because you think that the disc isn't worth what i'm auctioning it for, and you're hoping you'll find it for less than $30 in a record store - nothing wrong with that. good luck to you. someone emailed me already and said they're tired of looking, so they put in a bid. >and now i know youre saying "well who cares if she doesnt participate, if she doesnt >someone else will" we maybe if no one participated we wouldnt have the problem of >people like you trying to make money off of us, i say we boycott anyone selling ANY >of jewels material for personal gain. and how would the people feel who do have money and want the CD i'm auctioning? what do you say to them? >and i'm tired of people flaming other people for standing up for the list and >what it stands for. Mike and greg were doing what was right. you need to shut >up and listen once in awhile, you might just learn something about humanity. and you need to stop being rude to people by telling them what to do - but that's just my opinion. __red house painters_____________________________ "down through the dirt you lead us.. one kiss before you leave. will you come back and sleep tonight beside us? the morning comes.. i feel alive.." _______________________________"the river song"__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:33:44 -0500 (EST) From: Doc3rdkind@aol.com Subject: stranger from the east hey there angels. i went to the Berkeley show yesterday (after screwing up getting tickets for the LA show, i drove 6 hours up and then 6 hours back just to catch our angel) and heard a song ive never heard before, which i think she said is called Stranger From the East. i really loved the song and i was wondering if anybody has the full lyrics for it. i also noticed at the Berkeley show that there was lots of scalping going on. i was wondering if anyone could tell me if these tickets were legit and if theyre outrageously more then the face value cost, because i was considering trying to get tickets for the LA show if theyre scalping there too. i'm not on the mailing list anymore due to time restraints, so if you could please respond to me by email at doc3rdkind@aol.com. sorry for the bother and thanks a lot. love you all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:34:18 -0800 From: Jason Subject: Re: My bit on Jason's StL Auction At 09:34 AM 4/2/97 -0800, Steve wrote: >Now, I think that Jason here is trying to make a fast buck using the >guise of being a charitable StL provider. And Jason, it's not a matter >of underestimating someone's intelligence, it's the fact that there are >younger list members that WILL NOT understand the principles of >economics and will break their little "piggy banks" to obtain one of the >holy grails of Jewel fandom. principles of economics? it's capitalism we speak of. if they want to break their piggy banks as you condescendingly say, then so be it. i think they have the common sense to know what they have to spend. you don't think they understand the principles? they understand. >While I do agree with Jason in that he does have the right to sell an >item. But he says, "if someone thinks that $30 is too expensive...". >Well, he's NOT selling it for $30, because it is an auction and he is >trying to "making a little money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this >Friday, and for my time...". Your time for what? I have no beef with >Jason if all he's doing is setting a price and selling something. you're contradicting yourself. what if my set price was $100? >But he's trying to get the fast buck and the "free Jewel ticket" at the >expense of the list. YOU think Jewel would have put on JewelStock if >she thought this list was just a CD auction-house. I THINK NOT. this list ISN'T a cd auction house. it's a place to discuss Jewel, and an occasional auction turns up that is handled in private email. >Heck, Jason, you could pump up the price as high as you like and sell it. But >auctioning is just not in the best interests of the list, the >listmaster, other EDAs, and negative e-mail to your inbox. i know that now. >I don't mean to just flame Jason, but he's the latest in the every growing craze to >auction StL. not a problem, and i know i'm not alone. >Just remember, Jewel and her management take care of EDAs by providing >information through this list's different members (Mike, Mr. BB, etc.). >You turn this list into an auctionhouse and lose contact/trust with >Jewel and her management. i don't see how my one auction is going to spark 800 other people into a selling frenzy, but that's just me. :) thanks for the response.. __catherine wheel__________________________________ "so think of a time. it's something to cling to. imagine a life that never escapes you. conceal it behind the colour and perfume. a flower to hide - a violet surprise.." _________________________________"flower to hide"__ ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #240 ***************************