From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #148 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Monday, March 3 1997 Volume 02 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: Clothing Optional (naked reading material) [crunch ] Re: jealous (RI show) [John-Eric ] What the Hell is going on? ["Timothy Paul Mccormick Jr" ] wall mart is evil [Ringokid23@aol.com] Re: What the Hell is going on? [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] Re: What I thought was an Angel [GCove76082@aol.com] toronto show [GCove76082@aol.com] ATTENTION ALL EDAS:-> [laura catherine taylor ] **HUGS** [piper@mclv.net] and don't be nice [Sean Hooks ] Re: Jewel Battles Laryngitis and High Schmuck Ratio at Beacon #1 [Tom Mor] NJC: ... Like angels on fire (well, a little JC, but nothing much) ["As] Beacon [Angel ] EDAs can find a way to help Jewel overcome ignorance and disrespect [howe] Re: EDAs can find a way to help Jewel overcome ignorance and disrespect [] That is truely sad [NSCLI4663@ALPHA.NSULA.EDU] Why I don't think Jewel's success is bad [Sinjin ] Why I don't think Jewel's success is bad...part 2 [Sinjin Subject: NJC: Clothing Optional (naked reading material) =) I remember when I was born. I popped out of the womb, and I said, "Hey World!!". I was giddy and googly! Then, in a horrifying manipulation, I was clothed. I was thrown into a panic: constricted, restricted, trapped, and inhibited! i couldn't imagine why someone would put me into a 'straight-jacket' so soon in my tender life. This abuse continued for years. And consequently, has tramatized me for life; I still habitually get dressed most days. =) But the true me breaks through the polluted shell that society makes us wear on occasion. Somedays, I just stay home and never get dressed. On very hollowed (and haloed) times, I commune with others like me that remember the way it once was without the "clothing". On those times, we shed those coverings; the evil coverings that try to convince us that what a person looks like is who he/she is.... the ugly cloth that hides me and makes me worry about how I look, like it should matter... The wonderful thing about nudist colonies and beaches is that after a few hours, the shape, proportion, and coloring of the body really loses its significance. People are people. What makes them unique is who they are. And so, in nudity, one is able to shed pretenses and just be. =) The fact is I would wear sheer dresses just about all the time if I wouldn't get thrown in jail. I mean, WOW!! It would be the closest thing to being naked, being real. Rock on, Jewel! Maybe she just said, "Oh that will be soo comfy!" and didn't think further until someone said hey, "I can see you nipples, huh huh..." Jewel was just being a naturalist (which we all are naturally, we are just trained not to be by this society). The body is not something that should be gawked at or idolized. It is but the casing of our souls, where our beauty truly lies! It merely carries in this life, what we will take to the next. =) ...just wanted to chat about nudity and its real benefits... =) Be an Angel Every Day =) Nestle (who will be only the clothing optional beaches in Jamiaca in just a few weeks) Crunch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:02:19 -0800 From: John-Eric Subject: Re: jealous (RI show) aaronc@student.umass.edu wrote: > > i am also glad that jewel finally put her foot down about the yodeling. > it's too bad though because it sounds like she was really looking forward to > doing that with her father. So she doesn't yodel at shows anymore? :( Oh well her music is what counts and I agree that the yodeling is second rate to that but it is still something non-mainstream and rare in our times. > i have a suggestion for anyone who talks to jewel or anyone in that > group near her.... > maybe someone who will see bibi at one of the shows could mention it. I am the new guy and I am wondering who these ppl are since I have seen many posts bout them? Are they close friends of Jewel? Is Jewel on this list? I am so confused! :-D "Thanks for your patience" - -Alanis Morissette Peace, Love, Unity, Respect ... o< o< o< o< o< ... "I want to walk through life instead of being dragged through it" -Alanis Morissette John-Eric :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Timothy Paul Mccormick Jr" Subject: What the Hell is going on? I have been on this list for over a month now, and for the last couple of weeks everybody seems to be all pissed-off and saying stupid shit about Jewel like: She is a slut, a sellout, she gives know effort in her shows anymore, and that everything is looking gloomy. Am I the only one picking this up? I have never been her concert before, but I will be on the 16th, and for some reason I have this fear that I am going to be dissapointed. I have tapes of her live shows and they have helped me to begin to understand her and even lover her music. But lately, everything has been doom and gloom on this list. Is it really that bad? Some people seemed to be too preoccupied with a bunch of stupid shit. And the real issues are being lost. Is Jewel evolving? I think we all know that answer. Is that good? I think it has to happen. She ain't perfect by any means, but she certainly is special. I don't think that will ever be lost, but somepeople seem to have forgotten that. As a list, we should try to center on the good stuff, and when there is real, concerning issues, acting like idiots won't help. This is the JEWEL list. We need to try to preserve her greatness while she goes through such a unchartered path. Be glad for her. And be glad for what she has given all of us. Just some thoughts, from what the Verve Pipe would refer to as a "Freshman." - -Boss - -- "God have mercy on the man, who doubts what he's sure of." -Bruce Springsteen "'Cause anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet to disregard it." -Jewel "And today the millions cry, we eat and drink while tomorrow they die." -U2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:13:44 -0500 From: piper@mclv.net Subject: re: Charlie rose Ok ok, I just HAVE to know... WHAT HAPPENED? I tuned in every night last week and NO JEWEL! erph... did anyone see her? Maybe my pbs station is just anti-Jewel or something... But I was at least expecting her to be on Weds/Thurs or Fri. after she got bumped for the sheep... But nope, no Jewel... hmph... anyone want to field this one? - --Lisa "Sometimes it's easy to be myself..." --Dave Matthews Band Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:21:42 -0500 From: piper@mclv.net Subject: What I thought was an Angel I used to have a definiton of what an EDA was, in my head anyways, but lately it's pretty much gone to pot... Let me put it this way: Here's the "new" definiton of angels. Someone who puts down other people to make them feel better about being an EDA. Someone who judges by outward appearances. Blah, I could go on for hours about how disgusted I was at the tons of posts after the grammy's but I don't feel like spending the time to do it... heh... But my point is this, if this is truly what angels are, I guess I'm less of an angel than the rest of you... And i'm perfectly fine with that... I'd rather sit over here smiling and happy because I love Jewel for who she is, not what awards she wins or how she looks... - --Lisa p.s. Maybe you all should go listen to "I'm Sensitive" again... that's why I wrote this... <"Why ya gotta tell me if I'm hated...?"> "Your hands manifest thought." --Jewel "Sometimes it's easy to be myself..." --Dave Matthews Band Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:28:42 -0500 From: crunch Subject: Jewel URLs Lizstock Photos (courtesy Crash Boy): http://members.aol.com/cbpage2/lizstock/ls1.htm EDA Yearbook (courtesy Gerrit): (for whoever was asking about posting profiles) http://www.endor.org/jewel/yearbook/index.html Tourdates (courtesy Xenomorph): http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/jchron97.htm =) Be an Angel Every Day!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:27:55 -0500 (EST) From: Ringokid23@aol.com Subject: wall mart is evil hello fellow edas. i dont mean to make such a strongly antagonistic heading in my letter, but, all the same, it is true. wall mart refused to carry sheryl crow's new album because it included the lines in one song, based on a true story, talking about how kids bought guns at a wall mart. ever since then i have boycotted wall mart, both because of their immoral actions in the name of profit (selling guns to kids) and for their acts of censorship. now this past summer i was road tripping and on more then several occasions we were starving and the only place we could find food after a long time was when driving through a small town with a wall mart outlet that had a mcdonalds inside, but i refused to go in for the above mentioned reason, furthering the pains of my hunger and the anger of my friends who did not understand my stubborn actions. in fact, on our first day out, when we realized that we actually forgot canteens upon starting our month long journey through the american west and as we were driving through the hot desert of barstow, california, we could find no cheap canteens and saw a wall mart. my friends said, "hey, a wall mart, they must have cheap canteens," and i said "no way, we cant go there- they sell guns to kids and censor art." much to their ire, we didnt find canteens to put water into until we reached vegas (thank god the car we were using was mine, otherwise i couldve never enforced my means of civil disobedience). now i'm glad that wall mart is supporting our Jewel, but all the same, i dont think we can abide their inhumanity concerning their leniancy in selling guns, as well as their censorship (for those who disagree, just imagine the uproar on this newsgroup if a Jewel song included lyrics concerning wall mart's selling of guns, thus resulting in the censorship of her album- i mean if we can criticize a 14 year old girl for beating out Jewel at the grammys, what would we do to a big money, all powerful, self indulgent corporation for not selling her music?). well, i guess thats how i see that. also, thousands of kudos to igor concerning his letter on Jewel's dress. let her wear what ever she wants and lets leave the criticisms and petty disses to the close minded in society. i, for one, find it very ironic that the most negative reviews coming out of the grammys was peoples' criticisms of an artist whose one of her major points is not ripping apart people who are trying to maintain their sensitivity and innocence. hope i explained that well. well, thats that. i Love all you angels. i really do- its so nice to find people who can find pure humanity and love in the world in which we know live in. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:34:48 +0000 () From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: What the Hell is going on? On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Timothy Paul Mccormick Jr wrote: > I have been on this list for over a month now, and for the > last couple of weeks everybody seems to be all pissed-off > and saying stupid shit about Jewel like: She is a slut, > a sellout, she gives know effort in her shows anymore, > and that everything is looking gloomy. Am I the only > one picking this up? No, unfortunately you're not. :( I feel that many of those assertions are misguided and are little more than ungrounded speculation. > I have never been her > concert before, but I will be on the 16th, and > for some reason I have this fear that I am going > to be dissapointed. Please don't do that. Simply go and try to enjoy. The review of the Beacon performance was really pretty disheartening. Jewel is such a powerful performer, but in front of a such a crowd... that would test the patience of just about anyone. > I have tapes of her live shows > and they have helped me to begin to understand her > and even lover her music. But lately, everything > has been doom and gloom on this list. Is it really > that bad? Personally, I don't think it is. Speaking for myself only I think a lot of people were just overreacting. > Some people seemed to be too preoccupied > with a bunch of stupid shit. And the real > issues are being lost. Is Jewel evolving? > I think we all know that answer. Is that good? There was something that I was taught a long time ago. Like droplets in a pond, the ripples we send out touch everyone else around us irreparably. And as we pass in time, so do the ripples, until we are gone entirely. We are shaped as much by what we believe as we are by who and what we are placed in contact with. One thing Jewel said when she was asked about fame was that she didn't feel any different, but found that the perception of her changed as a result of it. And after watching her on numerous recent interviews I'm inclined to agree. Her views, beliefs, and who she is down in the roots hasn't changed fundamentally. But the perception of her has and more people are willing to make assumptions and speculate about her motivations based on perceived fame instead of who she is. Have we forgotten who she really is? > I think it has to happen. She ain't perfect by > any means, but she certainly is special. I don't > think that will ever be lost, but somepeople seem > to have forgotten that. As a list, we should > try to center on the good stuff, and when there > is real, concerning issues, acting like idiots won't > help. This is the JEWEL list. We need to try to > preserve her greatness while she goes through such > a unchartered path. Be glad for her. And be glad > for what she has given all of us. Amen. Albert bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:53:18 -0800 From: Walter Fong Subject: Berkeley I managed to get tix up in the nose bleed seats. Luckily, the BCT isn't too big. Walter - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:55:04 -0800 From: george marticorena Subject: Berkeley I just want to know who many of us EDAs are going to be there so email me if your going -George ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:59:10 -0500 (EST) From: GCove76082@aol.com Subject: Re: What I thought was an Angel Ok, I understand what you're saying and agree on some level because I just got on the list about three or four days ago, actually right after the grammy show and I heard all the stuff being put up about her dress and blah and blah and blah if you get my point. I got so pissed that people started seeing Jewel for what she wore instead of who she was that I put up a response called 'enough about the dress'. But since then I have recieved a couple of e-mails saying they agree and then more and more people were sticking up for Jewel until all I heard was how Jewel was so special again and the majority wrote to defend Jewel, (I hope I didn't imply that I started the 'defend Jewel campaign' because I didn't there were many putting up e-mails before I responded). My point being that the EDA's have a good heart and those who wrote about the dress and the makeup and stuff in my opinion were worried that their version of Jewel was going to be tarnished if this kept up, and wanted to protect their image of Jewel. I hope you don't mean what you said about the EDA's because in the three days I've been part of this group I've felt welcome and comfortable. say what you want Burritohead, because I also think I'm dumb, and funny. "what we call human nature in actuality is human habit" Jewel Gian.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:05:25 -0500 (EST) From: GCove76082@aol.com Subject: toronto show I really need tickets for the march 6th toronto show, I havn't seen Jewel live before and beg any of you out there if you have a spare to please contact me directly. I don't have much time. "please" - Gian.C. GCove76082@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:08:18 -0700 (MST) From: laura catherine taylor Subject: ATTENTION ALL EDAS:-> just wanted to let all of you know that i luv ya! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:21:10 -0500 From: piper@mclv.net Subject: **HUGS** Maybe the problem is that we all just need a big group angel hug? Well, from me to the rest of you, here's my part *********************HUG******************** Thanks for all the positive things I've gotten from this list... :) The Stubborn Angel who won't give up on the Gloomy Angels :) - --Lisa "Your hands manifest thought." --Jewel "Sometimes it's easy to be myself..." --Dave Matthews Band Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 02:24:47 -0500 (EST) From: Sean Hooks Subject: and don't be nice Date: 03-Mar-1997 02:19am EDT From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: and don't be nice For those who are attending the upcoming Jewel shows and have read my post about the first Beacon shows and how audience members are totally disrespecting Jewel and ruining the expereince for the rest of us, here's a bit of advise. Don't be nice, shut somebody up. To paraphrase Bruce Springsteen's opening message from his recent solo acoustic tour. "Now I all know you may be used to me as a real rock and roller, but with this tour I'm doing somehthing different. Most of these songs were written in silence, with a lot of quiet, so I'd expect you guys to be quiet and not talk or move around during the songs. And if you see somebody sittin' near you being loud and disturbing people or whatever, politely say, 'Would you kindly shut the fuck up.' Thank you and your cooperation will be appreciated. Jewel, like Bruce I think, surprised people when she curses and her anger may do more to shut up unruly "fans" than the simple and humbled request to close the doors and keep it quiet, that she gave tonight at the Beacon. Later, (I'm posting a lot about this because it disturbs me and it upset Jewel, I mean how else can you explain an hour long show, I mean, I know her throat was bothering her, but she seemed emotionally in pain too, at times) Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:52:47 +0000 From: Tom Morales Subject: Re: Jewel Battles Laryngitis and High Schmuck Ratio at Beacon #1 Miguel Antonio Gonzalez wrote: > > ...or What Happens When the Venue Is Small Enough That Everyone Could > Hear What Neil Young Fans Were Yelling When Jewel Opened Last Summer at > Madison Square Garden. > > I expect there to be MUCH discussion amongst listmembers so I'll give a > few highlights: > > Heckler ejected from the balcony at 9:45 PM > Revamped Lyrics to POY; i.e. "Stupid boy...." > Jewel paraphrasing her "Hands Manifest Thought" as "Hands Do What We Are > Thinking" was clocked in at 10:07 PM, or approximately one hour and > seven minutes into the concert. I heard from someone else the same thing. She lost her voice but why bother trying too sing to rude people. I know there were a lot of people there who aren't being rude but it sounds like a lot of people are going to see her because it is the thing to do. And when they realize it is a little too touchy feely, sensitive side... for them they pull the pieces of you attitude. I love Jewel a whole lot and I would hate to have seen this. I am too sensitive to have put up with this and I am slightly ashamed to say my hands probably would have done a little manifesting of their own. It takes a lot for me to lose it but when I do I can be a real idiot. I hope Jewel's voice is feeling better and that she doesn't let the idiots get to her. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:58:26 -0600 From: "Ashe Mayfair" Subject: NJC: ... Like angels on fire (well, a little JC, but nothing much) Ok, my poor excuse for and internet provider had yet ANOTHER E-mail blackout today (and some of last night). I guess the messages didn't bounce but insdead where just sent stright to hell I guess. So their office hours draw to a close I see that the damned fools still havn't been able to fix the problem. Then 2 hours after they should have all been gone I see E-mail starts rolling in again. This is a nice thing to see. That good feeling slowly starts to turn into dispare as I read the mail tho. I just wonder what the hell I missed. See, I ruturned to a number of unpleasnt posts full of slander towards list mebers and bad show reviews. *sigh* Hmmmmm, odd how the center seems not to be holding so well this last day that I was blissfully abcent for. Lets see what the issues are here and what I have to say about em (for my own good mostly, just gotta get some of this out). Talkin bad about Leann Rimes: I had my part in this. If I have a distast for somthing or somone I'll say it. Maybe she shouldn't be getting all of this, after all we are all (well, alot of us) giving the poor girl a hard time. Now this nothing that she really deserves, it's just that some of us (me at least) find it somewhat fustrating that THIS is the best the music world had to offer in the part of fresh talent. In truth the Grammys mean jack & shit in the grand schem in the career of Jewel. It should mean even less to us. She has good music and that is the point. Some damned paper-weigh or the lack of it won't change things for any of us that can really call yourselfs fans. I think we have (had really) a right to be a LITTLE upset about this, but I do have to say that it's over. Leann Rimes won. So what? Jewel's dress at the Grammy's: You know, when I posted my opinion on said dress I had not seen the part of the show where she presented, so I had not noticed just how sheer it was. I was just saying that I personaly didn't like the way the dress looked. This is another bit trivial crap that we really took to far. I thik that some of us read a bit to much into it. I just think that all this talk about how she had the expensive dress as a way to try and fit in is just bullshit. Maybe I think this cus I don't wanna have to aggre with it, but still. Sometimes people just like getting dressed up in nice things. Hell, I hardly ever get dressed up, but I like it when I do. Somthing as easy as putting on the right clothes can just totaly change your moods and the way you see yourself. Was the dress to much? I persoanly think so, but I know that what I think is just another one of those things that ammount to Jack & shit. I just hope that Jewel will take all these slanderous coments form the meidia in strid. I also wish that we (as in humans in general) could stop getting so hung up on such inimportant things. Is the fire going out?: Ok, some bad shows. From what I hear it was more from some morons in the crowd. Let me just say taht I would rather see Jewel in the small clubes and such over the big halls, but hey, I'm going to the one Jewel show that I will be able to make it to and live with it. I won't like that, but I will live. Still, if somebody in formt of me turns into one of the yodel chanters I just know I'm gonna have a lot of problems not just useing one of my less tactfull means of teaching manners to jerks. I really try to see people as generaly good. It is a nice dream, but I can't see it as any more then a pipe dream. More and more it seems that people are generaly assholes. ...Like angels on fire: Well, I rember now why I can't stand to linger on channels on IRC very much. I would always get very pissed when somwone I had never seen would come in to a channel and start acting like some brat god or somthing. What is this grand thing that comes form putting others down? People should really find better ways to bost there self-image. And please people, if somebody says somthing like this to you, just ignor it. Closing words: Well, while I was typing this a few messags rolled in: laura catherine taylor wrote: > just wanted to let all of you know that i luv ya! piper@mclv.net wrote: >Maybe the problem is that we all just need a big group angel hug? Well, >from me to the rest of you, here's my part > >*********************HUG******************** > >Thanks for all the positive things I've gotten from this list... :) These put a smile on my face :] This is what is missing latly. I like to think that most of US are good people that at least try to be kind. We all slip tho and can't help but be in pissy moods or whatever. I am well known for this. I can move from being a really nice guy one minute, and then somone will do somthing to set me off and I go after em with a vengence. The point is that this is beyond Jewel for the most part. For some of us this list offers hope in human kind, and that is somthing that is ever so rare in this day and age. Lets just try and keep it that way. I'm sure there are people out there that hate me just as I know that there are some of you out there that love me (well at least like ;]). All I can say about this is: If you are among the ranks that love me, I love you too. If you are part of the group that hate me, I just don't care. If you have some hate mail to send me, then send it to me and lets not bring the list into that shit.I think that a lot of us are big enough that we and get past these kind of things without having to bring 900+ people into it. Thank you all who made this far for your time. - -Ashe Mayfair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 03:06:36 -0500 (EST) From: Angel Subject: Beacon Another week, another kiss from steve. What a night. -katherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:35:34 -0800 From: howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duplessis) Subject: EDAs can find a way to help Jewel overcome ignorance and disrespect I've been reading about the Providence and Beacon shows and how some fans are brutalizing Jewel's performance. Her mega-success has obviously attracted a lot of people who don't appreciate her or her message. Until her success can reclaim her genuine audience, maybe there's something(s) that EDAs can do to help neutralize the ignorance and disrespect of the yahoos. What about e-mailing Jewel (c/o JewelUK@aol.com ) and letting her hear the voices of those that do understand and appreciate. I'm sure she knows that she has this kind of support, but when things get rude like they are now, it can't hurt to be reminded who your friends are... (Remember how down George Bailey got in It's a Wonderful Life.) And at the shows, maybe the EDAs sitting near those who yell outrageously stupid and insensitive things (e.g. "take it off" "yodel, yodel, yodel"), maybe the EDAs nearby can have a word or two with the offending person. Or speak up to embarass the person in front of their peers (but gently and not so loud as to interrupt Jewel even more). Sometimes, when a few in the silent majority speak up it silences the ignoramuses. You can bet that most of the people around the person yelling dumb things don't like it, and if someone says so, people usually bow to the majority -- but only if the majority's voice is heard. It's like the bully on the school-yard, if people stand up and call him what he is and he runs away. There is power in a union (so sings Billy Bragg!). If everyone's proactive and helps out we can overcome the ignorance and disrespect. (Thank god it's not a football stadium full.) Anyway, I think we should all do anything we can to help Jewel out on this tour until her fame settles into a better groove. Don't let people turn her shows into a living example of the line in Vincent (van Gogh) "The world was never meant for one as beautiful as you..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:39:09 -0800 From: howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duplessis) Subject: Re: EDAs can find a way to help Jewel overcome ignorance and disrespect Oops, I meant to type JewelJK@aol.com It's time for some very positive forces to go to work. - ---------- > From: Adrian du Plessis > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: EDAs can find a way to help Jewel overcome ignorance and disrespect > Date: Monday, February 17, 1997 11:35 PM > > I've been reading about the Providence and Beacon shows and how some fans > are brutalizing Jewel's performance. Her mega-success has obviously > attracted a lot of people who don't appreciate her or her message. > Until her success can reclaim her genuine audience, maybe there's > something(s) that EDAs can do to help neutralize the ignorance and > disrespect of the yahoos. What about e-mailing Jewel (c/o JewelJK@aol.com > ) and letting her hear the voices of those that do understand and > appreciate. I'm sure she knows that she has this kind of support, but when > things get rude like they are now, it can't hurt to be reminded who your > friends are... (Remember how down George Bailey got in It's a Wonderful > Life.) And at the shows, maybe the EDAs sitting near those who yell > outrageously stupid and insensitive things (e.g. "take it off" "yodel, > yodel, yodel"), maybe the EDAs nearby can have a word or two with the > offending person. Or speak up to embarass the person in front of their > peers (but gently and not so loud as to interrupt Jewel even more). > Sometimes, when a few in the silent majority speak up it silences the > ignoramuses. You can bet that most of the people around the person yelling > dumb things don't like it, and if someone says so, people usually bow to > the majority -- but only if the majority's voice is heard. It's like the > bully on the school-yard, if people stand up and call him what he is and he > runs away. There is power in a union (so sings Billy Bragg!). If > everyone's proactive and helps out we can overcome the ignorance and > disrespect. (Thank god it's not a football stadium full.) > Anyway, I think we should all do anything we can to help Jewel out on this > tour until her fame settles into a better groove. > Don't let people turn her shows into a living example of the line in > Vincent (van Gogh) "The world was never meant for one as beautiful as > you..." > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 02:29:42 -0600 (CST) From: NSCLI4663@ALPHA.NSULA.EDU Subject: That is truely sad I just read a post about people yelling such things as "Take it off" at Jewel Concerts. Well now I will admit to haveing drunk quite a bit at the moment (In fact I think th enumber is 1 Whiskey sour...2 pitchers of beer and 10 longnecks ) but I can quite literly say that if such a person yelled such a thing while I was listining I would so something quite Un-Angelic like to him/her. I'm all for haveing a good time,and I live in Louisiana and anyone who has gone to parade in New Orleans knows that clothing is definately opitonal...but I think such a thing at a Jewel concert is definately in bad taste. In fact I can say that I would not treat such a person as who would say that in a very nice way and I hope that I do not run into such a person at my first Jewel concert. Please do not hesitate to let a person who would do such a cras s thing know that you do not appreciate it and if the bouncers (security) are like they are at the bar that I volunteer time at they will not hesitate to remove such neer do wells if you alert them to there presence. A public servace anouncement from the Reverend Jason Cline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 00:40:13 -0800 From: Sinjin Subject: Why I don't think Jewel's success is bad In response to Sean's letter talking about the negatives associated with Jewel's current popularity, allow me to state my opinion. Although I agree with Sean that right now things are pretty bad in that Jewel has many disrespectful fans, I think in the long run the success Jewel has now will be a benefit. With the widespread popularity Jewel has received, her music is opened up to more and more fans. Some of which are going to be rude and some of which will be angelic. Once Jewel has stepped from the limelight, as does happen to almost all musicians eventually, the rude fans who are only interested in her "taking it off" will forget about her and move onto the beautiful trendy singer of the moment. Meanwhile those of us who truly love her music will continue to follow her and listen to her. When more people are exposed to Jewel's music, there is a better chance that a true angel will fall in love with her music as much as we do. Even if for every 50 rude, obnoxious, fairweather fans Jewel gets as a result of her popularity, only 1 true die-hard fan emerges I think it is worth it because her music will have a chance to affect someone's life in a positive way. I see Jewel in her second act, which like most great plays is marked by tragedy. Her first act was her rise from a talented musician playing in coffee shops and living in her van to a multi-platinum award winning artist. Her second act follows the tragedy of too much popularity and the side effects of it. However, in her third act I believe she will continue to shine as a great musician, and even though she may lose much of her popularity she will still make great music and will continue to have a core group of devoted fans...true Every Day Angels. I have every reason to loathe Jewel's current popularity as I wasn't even able to get decent seats for her LA concert. However, I prefer to see the big picture. I hope Jewel enjoys her success now and I hope she doesn't get disheartened by the rude people in her audience because there will always be us true Jewel fans at all of her shows loving her music and wishing her the best. Jewel has the attitude not to get burdened down with trying to remain popular and she has the talent to continue to put out great music that will affect the fans who are really willing to listen. I know Jewel has had an amazing affect on my life and I'm sure she will do more in the future. I'm glad for this and I hope that Jewel's popularity can have the benefit of reaching others with her amazing gift. Sorry this letter rambled so long, I welcome any comments/criticisms from fellow Jewel fans! Still a slut and a jerk, Sinjin ps- Sean Hooks still rules! I'm not trying to flame him AT ALL! I think his post is very valid, I'm just trying to state my opinion on the matter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 00:43:04 -0800 From: Sinjin Subject: Why I don't think Jewel's success is bad...part 2 ...and if I hear anyone yell "Take it off" or do anything else to disrespect Jewel I will not fail to physically remove him from the venue. =) Same goes if I see Crunch walking around naked =) Still a slut and a jerk...but at least I got some clothes on, Sinjin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:43:00 -0500 (EST) From: GCove76082@aol.com Subject: Toronto show I have three days to the concert in Toronto on Mar, 6/97, I would really appreciate anybody who has an extra ticket to sell to please contact me as soon as possible. You don't know how much this would mean to me. thanks. Gian.C. GCove76082@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: James McGarry Subject: Re: Why I don't think Jewel's success is bad...part 2 On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Sinjin wrote: > ...and if I hear anyone yell "Take it off" or do anything else to > disrespect Jewel I will not fail to physically remove him from the venue. In an oddly parallel discussion on the Veruca Salt list (oddly I think because its about the third time there have been parallel discussions...) we were just talking about this... ...this is an unfortunate problem for female artists & female-fronted bands. I've seen this happen at cub concerts, which is unfortunate since they're nice such people... ...(though there was one time when touring with their old drummer Niko (no relation) ... ). Some people (mainly men) just need a good spanking or at least a good lesson in politeness. But Sinjin, let the security ppl remove the person, they will if you point them out, and they get paid to take the lumps. James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: Tlcathome@aol.com Subject: Beacon 3/2 - gathering - show - z100 after party - drunk at station... First, the evening got off to a rocky start when, between us and Eric, the directions to meet for the train got screwed up. I won't get into all of that, but we missed the (approx) 3:50 train, seems the 4:00 was missing, so Rob checks the weekend train schedule - ok, if we take the 4:23 - we'll only be a few minutes late - no 4:23 - ok, if we catch the 4:37 train we should just be a little late..... - you guessed it, no 4:37 train. Finally approx. 4:50 a train shows up - we're now going to be very late (the gathering was set up for 5:00) We finally get to the restaurant about 40 minutes late - and would you believe we weren't even the last one's there!! They had us at two tables, so the second table was dubbed the 'late table' :-) It was soooo great to meet more EDA's and to see those we had met once or twice before again!!! We got to see the EDA banner from Larry!!! (I thought dinner was excellent!!! If you ever dine at the Mad Fish on Broadway - you have got to try their warm goat cheese and arugula salad - this was one of the most delicious things I've ever tasted...) So, after getting the dinner check paid we all head for the venue.... We all just hang out for a while at the venue - hoping to catch Bibi around to try to get into the after show party that Z100 was putting on - Nope, never caught her. We go find our seats - Rob and I had upper balcony - yeah, the seats really sucked!! I really liked the Rugburns (I had never heard them before). I'll let someone with more knowledge of them talk about this part of the show. As Sean mentioned (in his own way) the crowd was horrendous. There were many times that you couldn't even hear Jewel. I disagree however that it was mostly teen girls screaming - I heard every bit as many guys (if not more) screaming things like 'I Love You' - 'Take It Off' - 'Marry Me' etc... Then of course there was the guy in the balcony near us that's yelling 'yeah!!' during PoY when Jewel sings "faggot - does he make you sick to your stomach?!? - Funny, he was suspiciously quiet when she asked "are you afraid you're just the same?" :-) Poor Jewel was also fighting for her voice and could barely hit those high notes in Amen, but she managed to do fairly well with it. I really felt bad that she had to deal with this crowd on top of the onsetting laryngitus (sp?). Anyway, after the show, we meet the other EDA's outside (I went back in and got Steve to sign my tour book - Erica/puddini, I told him you said "hi" and he said "Erica!?! Where is she?!?" Alas, I had to tell him you weren't there. Unfortunately, I didn't get one of his cute and humorous signings as the ushers were literally pushing us out the door.... Ok, so then we wander about hoping to catch a glimpse of Jewel and not wanting to leave just yet. Then, we find out that JenniferY has two passes to the Z100 after party - and of course, we ALL want to go. So, we decide that we'll all walk down there and just see if we can get in. We hike down to the location of the party and start heading inside. Eric and Jen get in fine, and Rob is about to try his luck (with no pass and not on the list) when Jewel shows up and they get a little lax at the door trying to get people to usher her in, so Rob jumps at it and gets inside. I'm just kinda standing there - after a few seconds of hesitation I walk over to where Rob, Eric, and Jennifer are standing. We're in!!! Unfortunately, Amy, Jared, and Thirza missed the opportunity and ended up not being able to get in. As everyone sort of lined up to meet her (at this point Jewel comments on feeling like she's in a petting zoo...) a man that had come in just ahead of Jewel and announced her arrival moved me up there saying "go ahead, you can talk to her...." YES!!!! I got my JS shirt signed and got a picture with her (I didn't get this at JS). Rob got his JS picture that he'd blown up to 8x10 signed, and Eric got his picture signed and even got a taped birthday wish to a friend of his (isn't that nice?? :-) I wish I would have said more to her (I tend to get flustered), but how can I get across how much her music means to me in only a few seconds - so, now I'm kicking myself for not saying something about this..... Anyway, she was only there for maybe a half hour/45 min. We left for the train soon after. Waiting for the train was interesting. We had entertainment ;-) Some very obviously drunk woman manages to fall and attract about 5 of the station 'police' after she makes a spectacle out of this, they escort her to the waiting area. After a few minutes she proceeds to stagger to the desk and grabs herself a wheelchair. The guards return and make her move back to the seat. They are pretty much staying with her until they get a call. They proceed to take off for the lower level where apparently there was some trouble and they had someone restrained in a train, and yes, they were readying thair guns. Apparently, the drunk woman, feeling abandoned, needs to get more attention, so she pulls the alarm - at one point she proceeds to act as though she's going to be violently ill, but Eric assured us she was putting on a show, as he was watching her. When they leave her alone again, she proceeds to stagger over to the desk and tries to sit in a chair, but falls on her rear. The guards return, and are talking to her (I think they were helping her figure out what train to get on). So, finally she's gone and we catch our train and and get home. Geesh, was this long enough?? (sorry if it's hard to follow, I'm horrible at recounting events). I'm just thrilled to have gotten my shirt signed and hope at least some of our pictures come out - especially mine with Jewel!!! If we get some decent pictures back, I'll post some on my page (yeah, I still have to get NH pics up.... :-) Love to all, tlc ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #148 ***************************