From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #131 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, February 26 1997 Volume 02 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: Harris Brothers ["Shaun" ] NJC: The Rabid Dog Bites the Porch ["Carter Navarro" ] i need tickets for a beacon show [sf23354@conrad.appstate.edu] NJC - Sheep, "Hands Manifest Thought" [jeth@nmt.edu (Jeth Jacalne)] Re: NJC: "Why PBS Sucks" and "Jewel's Clone" [lfortner@prairie.NoDak.edu ] What big concert in TX this summer? [Sean Hooks ] Re: NJC: we are everyday angels [bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford ] Re: NJC [raisingrrrl@juno.com] Re: NJC:Angels We need to help a fellow angel [raisingrrrl@juno.com] JewelStalk ["Will, Prince of Insufficient Light" ] Re: njc: Me [raisingrrrl@juno.com] Re: NJC: "Why PBS Sucks" and "Jewel's Clone" [Ashe Mayfair ] Re: I chatted with Jewel [Grrly1@aol.com] Howie Stern picks Jewel to win tonight [Mike Connell ] Re: NJC: Harris Brothers [asset.moo@mail.utexas.edu] NJC: if your last name is Wang, read on please [LikeHi@aol.com] Re: I chatted with Jewel [Grrly1@aol.com] Re: NJC:Angels We need to help a fellow angel [frkarras1@juno.com (Todd A] Re: NJC: Huxley's Brave New World [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] Re: i chatted with jewel [dreeland@shrike.depaul.edu] Re: NJC: Harris Brothers [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer)] hmmm... [Tom Kies II ] Re: NJC:Angels We need to help a fellow angel [Alexander Stamou ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:20:44 -0800 From: "Shaun" Subject: NJC: Harris Brothers Um, I hope this isn't a really stupid question, but what are the Harris Brothers? I've been trying to figure it out for a while now. At first I just thought there were an awful lot of EDA's named Harris, but then I kept seeing more and more Harrises and I noticed that all the Harris brothers weren't really named Harris. Hmmmm, very suspiscious. And how come I seem to be the only one who doen't know this? Everyone else just goes around talking about the Harris Brothers this and the Harris Brothers that and I'm feeling left out again. And how many of you are there? And, uh, I guess that's all my questions. Thanks, for anyone who helps me out. - --Shaun, the Harris-Ignorant EDA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:38:51 -0800 From: "Carter Navarro" Subject: NJC: The Rabid Dog Bites the Porch > If you can't run with the big dogs, you should stay on the porch. But > sometimes the little dog FALLS off the porch... The rabid dog bites the porch, waiting for Fred Gipson or Harper Lee to shoot him. > I'm Irish, Carter. For God's sake, please don't call me English (or olde, > for that matter)...Besides, you gotta admit that "Talker-say" is MUCH > funnier than "Alker-stay"... Tourette's Syndrome is also shoot pretty funny but I darnit don't want everyone fudge messing up the language just arsehole because it's funny (previous joke sanitized to receive TV-PG rating). I'm just trying to prevent the deterioration of yet another language. I respect the diversity of other cultures (including Pig Latinos), but how can we all get along if we don't speak a common tongue? (You think I can get some more state funding for the UC if I lobby for a Pig Latin class?) (Do you think I can use more parentheses in this paragraph?) ((((())))) > ***Then the Stalker-in-training wrote: > >>And you are only the East Coast designated stalker. My Stinky Sphere of > Anti-Jewel Repellant has been keeping the batty little yodel-honey away > from these parts for almost a year. She's gonna act like Damien in a > church when she hits Berkeley on April Fools' Day.<< > Add that trademark (tm) sign, Carter! You should know better... "Talker-say" is a registered trademark of JewelStalk@aol.com. > Uhh, Carter, hasn't it dawned on you that the ONLY show you're allowed to > attend falls on April Fool's Day? I'd suggest you take a walkman and a > Jewel tape, cause it's might be the ONLY Jewel you'll be hearing that day! "Neither Jewel nor the Rugburns could make it to Berkeley tonight, but please stick around for an enlightening, seven-hour long round-table discussion of gerbil cloning! Bass will charge you another $15 for your inconvenience." Nothing "dawns" on me. After getting hit in the face with a football in eight grade (my phys-ed teacher made me play, even though my arms had been paralyzed by a rabid dog attack the day before), subtletly and nuance have as much of a place in my life as gerbil clones. And now that I have a fully functional car (as in Christine has been totally replaced by a 95 Geo Prizm too flawless to have earned a name) I could be a complete Jewelaholic and drive down to L.A. to see both Wiltern shows, then to San Diego. Think they'd make it April Fools' Week in my honor? Speaking of occasions during which the batty little yodel-honey (if I don't get a trademark for Big Blue, you don't get a trademark for that... pbbbfflllffft!!!) got bumped by clones, why the hell didn't Charlie Rose bring Jewel on instead of those three yokels from the magazines? I am now convinced I could be a music critic; what the hell was that guy talking about with Jewel's "Hollywood connections?" Just because Tom Cruise, Rosie O'Donnell, and Sean Penn like Jewel doesn't mean she has "connections." David Lynch apparently likes that hilariously awful German band Rammstein and I'd hardly say THEY have connections. > Hey little pup, visit the big city one day, and see how COMMITTED (or > soon to be, anyway) Angels do it... Grrrrr... Don't make me angry, Harris. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I turn into Lou Ferrigno and run up to everybody yelling "WHAT?" with an Italian accent. CGN, The Incredible Schmuck P.S. - I'll be invading your domain soon enough; I move to Maryland (state motto: "Our Flag Was the ORIGINAL Stereogram") this June. P.P.S. - "Pbbbfflllffft!!!" is a trademark of Berkeley Breathed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:14:51 -0500 (EST) From: Burkeman Subject: NJC: Columbus show meeting place ATTN: everyone going to the Columbus show, with the help of Brian Hite we've decided on a preliminary pre-show meeting place for EDA's. drum roll... Wendy's! This is no ordinary Wendy's of course. This is the original first every built Wendy's by Mr. Dave Thomas himself. Anyway, it's across the street from the Palace, where the concert is. It's right on Broad St., so if you get there by I-71 you won't be able to miss it, but I need to know who's going to show up for our gathering so PLEASE e-mail me *PRIVATELY* so I can make up a guest list and set a time we invade Wendy's at around the same time. Remember: if you're going to meet up with the EDAs before the Columbus show, e-mail me PRIVATELY and I'll post the information to the list. Thanks, and hope to see everyone there for lots of Frostys! - -tim 'burkeman' ___________________________________________________ E Tim Burke E D tburke@mail.heidelberg.edu D A "I feel so far from where I've been..." A ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: sf23354@conrad.appstate.edu Subject: i need tickets for a beacon show are there any tickets left for the shows at the beacon theatre. i'm in north carolina but i'm going home to ny this friday. i would appreciate it if somebody could tell me. everyone who's going have a kick ass time befe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:26:48 -0700 From: jeth@nmt.edu (Jeth Jacalne) Subject: NJC - Sheep, "Hands Manifest Thought" Hey Mike (at least I think it was you), Wasn't there a pool to see how long it would take for "Hands Manifest Thought" to get mentioned on the Charlie Rose show? Well didn't you think it was freaky that 12 minutes and 47 seconds into last night's show, a clip was shown of a geneticist saying that phrase? "You know, we knew that someday it would be possible to replicate higher-level organisms, humans even. But until recently, it was just theory, and it wasn't until the cloning of this particular sheep that it was shown it could be successful done. You could say that our *hands finally manifested our thoughts*..." And if you look at your little time chart there, guess who has the 12 minute and 30 seconds to 12 minute and 59 seconds time slot!!! Hmmm... la, la, la... Jeth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:03:02 -0600 From: lfortner@prairie.NoDak.edu (Cole) Subject: Re: NJC: "Why PBS Sucks" and "Jewel's Clone" >Hey Cole, >Well, it's *theoretically* possible for humans. The importance of the >experiment was that it worked for a mammal so people are assuming it's >possible for humans as well. Theoretically nothing, the fact that they have done it with a mammal means that it is possible with humans also, thats why it is such news. Everyone in the science world knows that it is just a matter of time, a very short time. >> On top of that, they know that *anyone* with little equipment is capable of >> doing it. A simple grad student could apparently do it with little >> problem. >Well, no, this is not true. It took them over 600+ tries (and several >years and a LOT of fancy equipment) to get one success. That means you'd >have to take 600 eggs from a woman or a group of women plus their DNA and >pray it combines. Also keep in mind that humans have a lot more >chromosomes than Sheep, so mistakes are easier to make. Well, yes this is true, and -*the*- biggest arguement about trying to take this experiment any further. That one success out of however many tries is what counts. It will not take 1/4 as many tries for the next success, and then after that, even less. If you have been paying attention to what has been going on much, the reason why they are so scared is because it does not take an enormous sum of money or knowledge to do what they did, now that they know how they did it. It is a *very* real concern, because they know just how easy it is. >Well the idea for cloning humans has been around a long time in Science >Fiction- made most famous I think by Aldous Huxley in his book "1984" I don't know what point you are trying to make, there is no comparison between the two in the sense of what is news. One is a book, an idea, this is complete reality, and a potentially scary one at that. Were you thinking of "A Brave New World" btw? >That's true, but they could have at least acknowledged there was a >programming change. :\ Well, I didn't see it, so I can't really comment, but if they didn't say at the beginning of the show that she had been bumped, I suppose that would have sucked. The point I was making which I think has been missed here, is that this was far more important and newsworthy. That was my one and only point. See ya, Cole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: Sean Hooks Subject: What big concert in TX this summer? Date: 26-Feb-1997 04:23pm EDT From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: What big concert in TX this summer? Someone recently posted asking about getting tix for a "big concert" in Texas this summer, he was from Wisconsin. What is this concert, when and where is it, has it been posted about before. Please respond either to me or to the list, thanks. Later, Sean Hooks SHOOKS@drew.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:25:12 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: Re: NJC: we are everyday angels What is wrong with Juno? No one is answering me!!! -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:24:42 -0500 tiltedhalo@juno.com ('Tom Harris') writes: >Seeing as I'm using a @juno.com address I haven't been able to respond to >this the way I wish I could. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:06:14 PST From: raisingrrrl@juno.com Subject: Re: NJC On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:15:38 -0500 Kim Adams writes: >I'm not showing any mail that people send my to my father. It'll >start trouble. That's probably true you guys. Please, for Kim's sake, don't send any messages that could cause a conflict between her and her father. She doesn't need that. I know you would probably mean well but it would probably be real bad. Remember you don't have to live with him; she does. Ashley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:10:28 PST From: raisingrrrl@juno.com Subject: Re: NJC:Angels We need to help a fellow angel On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:06:51 -0700 jeth@nmt.edu (Jeth Jacalne) writes: >This is in regards to Kim Adam's situation with her father and the >list. What we should >assume, in good faith, is that Kim's father is just doing what he >thinks is>best for his daughter. And this may be hard to believe, especially >from>the perspective of the child to the parent (I'm sure most of us have >been>there - we questioned why our parents did the things they did, and >finally>knew why (or will know) after we ourselves have children of our own). > >Jeth "I probably have no idea what I just said" Jacalne You had some good points. I'm sure he is doing what he thinks is best for his daughter. But Hitler was doing what he thought was best for his country and look what that led to. Ashley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:28:50 -0500 From: "Will, Prince of Insufficient Light" Subject: JewelStalk Some guy just sent me this...I'm sure he'd love to go to something like JewelStalk. >name = JewelJK@aol.com > >email = whatever > >web = rogerpolarbear > >subject = My Site > >Your Comment = HEY... YOU REALLY DAMN GOOD SING.. ALL I ASK YOU MIND >I WILL SEND YOU MY OWN WORDS..AND WILL YOU SING FOR ME. >?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >SOSO WELL.. TAKE CARE >Wednesday, February 26, 1997 at 10:50:42 (EST) >------------------------------------------------------ Now that I think about it, I've been getting strange messages the pass couple of days. For some reason, people think I'm Jewel. EVEN THOUGH I HAVE PUT A MESSAGE ON MY EMAIL FORM SAYING I AM NOT JEWEL. Is it just me, or are people getting stupider? ~~~~~~~~~ W. Chinda wc81@ao.net http://www.ao.net/~wc81 A list of recommended DTP colleges/universities would be much appreciated (W3 addy if possible). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:27:07 PST From: raisingrrrl@juno.com Subject: Re: njc: Me On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:45:53 -0500 (EST) Tlcathome@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-02-25 22:39:48 EST, you write: >Did I miss something?? I agree that it's a ridiculous situation, but >is>protecting your child (mis-guided as it may be) considered an abusive >act.> I'm confused - Did I miss a post somewhere that brought up an abusive >situation. I don't see this as >abusive,>just over-protective. I hope this doesn't upset anyone, but it's the >way I>see it. > >tlc > I did not say her father was necessarily being abusive. I don't know the man, I don't know Kim, and I don't know every detail of what's going on. I don't think it would be fair for me to call someone I don't know abusive. I just fear that if Kim doesn't learn to make the decisions of what appropriate and inappropriate for her to hear/see/read, etc herself, then what is it going to be like when she's older. It's going to be a shock for her. She may go looking for someone just like her father. Or she could go crazy with her new found freedom. I don't know I'm not an expert on the subject or anything. I've just seen the damage overprotective parents can do. You guys have to understand, though, that I've been raised in a very liberal household. I've always made my own decisions and learned from it. I have never had any restrictions placed on me by my parents. And no that did not lead to being a drug addict or anything. Quite the opposite, I've never had the desire to do anything like that, because I can do so many other thing. Hope that made sense. And sorry for so many posts today. Oh, yeah, one more thing, you say to stay out of her business, but it's hard when she posts it to the list. She kind of makes it our business. Ashley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:33:54 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: NJC: "Why PBS Sucks" and "Jewel's Clone" >>Well the idea for cloning humans has been around a long time in Science >>Fiction- made most famous I think by Aldous Huxley in his book "1984" > >I don't know what point you are trying to make, there is no comparison >between the two in the sense of what is news. One is a book, an idea, this >is complete reality, and a potentially scary one at that. Were you >thinking of "A Brave New World" btw? Right, but where did all these people get the idea for cloning you think? See, that is the funny thing about Sci-Fi, that a lot of times the technology in it will one day become a reality. All great things start as nothing more then an idea and go form there. I've read a few classic Sci-Fi books where in one of the most amazing peices of tech where TV's *gasp*. - -Ashe Mayfair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:42:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Desmond Wayne Kursinsky" Subject: tickets, please??? does anyone have 2 tickets for jewel's detroit show, and is willing to part with them?? my girlfriend and really wish to go, but i wasn't on this mailing list when the tickets went on sale. consequently, i was too late to purchase them thru conventional means. i will be eternally grateful to anyone that wishes to sell their tickets. please e-mail me(kursinsk@pilot.msu.edu) if you wish to strike a deal. thanks everyone. desmond kursinsky ps. i already know about the columbus and chicago shows, but they are too far away from home for me to reach. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Re: I chatted with Jewel In a message dated 2/26/97 1:09:46 PM, you wrote: >I IMed Jewel last night while I was online, and I chatted with her for a >couple of minutes. That really made my day! ...I was just wondering if anyone ACTUALLY took him aside and explained it all to him??? There are ALOT of imposters on AOL...and if you had READ the FAQ you would know that she doesnt come online...and doesnt even KNOW how to use a computer!!! (and if the screen name isnt JewelJK then it isnt jewel) people can be sooo gullable! Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:45:45 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Howie Stern picks Jewel to win tonight On his radio show this morning, Howard Stern predicted Jewel would win Best New Artist tonight. BTW, I like Howie too (in a way), he can be very funny, but to the one person who said "it's just an act", I strongly disagree in one aspect. Since Howard employs Stuttering John and tells him what to do, the fact that John IN PUBLIC asks celebrities VERY crude, rude and offensive questions, that goes WAY beyond an act. Just because he's a talk show host/comedian, it doesn't give him the right to have someone embarrassed in public AND on TV & radio. It's arrogance and.....well just not nice. Mike /\//\\///\\\////\\\\/////\\\\\//////\\\\\\/////\\\\\////\\\\///\\\//\\/\ \ New to the list and confused? Need to find a members' Email addy? / / This and more helpful info can be found in the "Jewel Mailing List \ \ Netiquette And New Member Guide" at http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup / / ducksoup@spectra.net /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ DuckOfPrey@AOL.com \ \/\\//\\\///\\\\////\\\\\/////\\\\\\//////\\\\\/////\\\\////\\\///\\//\/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 15:28:16 CST From: Matthew=Owens%Students%SJC@vines.saintjoe.edu Subject: re: Re: NJC: "Why PBS Sucks" and "Jewel's Clone" Forwarded to: smtp[jewel@smoe.org] cc: Comments by: Matthew Owens@Students@SJC -------------------------- [Original Message] ------------------------- I was just wondering if I was on a newsgroup about Jewel or cloning? Yes, there is some tie, since she was bumped off by the multiplied sheep, but I don't think it warrants a whole discussion/argument about the problems/implications of cloning. I am sure there is another discussion group somewhere on cloning which would love to have your imput. Please don't take this negatively, but the mail is numerous enough without having to worry about all the messages which basically have nothing to do with our beloved Sourdough. Thank you for your time. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Re: I chatted with Jewel In a message dated 2/26/97 10:39:29 PM, you wrote: >It's not likely that an imposter told me that it was cold, but fun at the geneseo >concert. So baaaaa in your eye! Are you just a complete idiot??? If i remember correctly their were nearly 2000 people at that show...You dont think ONE of them could be doing this? geez...some people... Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:13:12 -0600 (CST) From: Emilia Garvey Subject: Fw: Good Luck! (fwd) Emilia "The Jilted Angel" Garvey ___________________________________________________________ "In case you failed to notice, in case you failed to see, this is my heart bleeding, this is me down on my knees... you're breaking my heart -Jewel Kilcher "Foolish Games" ______________________________________________________________ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:49:43 -0600 (CST) From: IRS To: Eric Sansone , David Sansone , Karen Sansone , Tony Griglione , Emilia Garvey , Brandon Bowersox , Gopal Vemuri , Paula Fortner , Jennifer Chen , Anu Parachuri Subject: Fw: Good Luck! (fwd) Sorry, all. I just wanted to see what would happen in 10 days. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:54:16 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Slattery To: Michelle Byrne , Kelly Digges , Nicolas Sansone , Yong-Bee Lim , Eithan Ritz , Susan Sefranek , Ilina Kuriashkina , Rebekah Kunkel , Laila Saied , Ryoko Oono Subject: Fw: Good Luck! (fwd) Good luck y'all! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:01:14 -0600 (CST) From: Priya Monrad To: "yeah. us. =) -- Anita Vanka" , Lee Rawles , Tara Ramanathan , Sarah Barclay Cc: "kristi a. brownfield" , pickle7@prairienet.org, jasutton@prairienet.org, Carolyn Leap , Hadas Ritz , Elizabeth Slattery Subject: Fw: Good Luck! (fwd) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> GOOD LUCK TOTEM > >>>>> \\\|||/// > >>>>> ========= > >>>>> ^ | O O | > >>>>> / \ \v_'/ > >>>>> # _| |_ > >>>>> (#) ( ) > >>>>> #\//|* *|\\ > >>>>> #\/( * )/ > >>>>> # ===== > >>>>> # (\|/) > >>>>> # || || > >>>>> .#.--'| |---. > >>>>> #'---' ----' > >>>>> > >>>>> This totem has been sent to you for good luck. It has been sent > >>>>> around the world nine times so far. You will receive good luck > >>>>> within four days of relaying this totem. > >>>>> > >>>>> Send copies to people you think need good luck. Don't send > >>>>> money as fate has no price. Do not keep this message. > >>>>> The totem must leave your hands in 96 hours. Send ten copies > >>>>> and see what happens in four days. You will get a surprise. > >>>>> This is true, even if you are not superstitious. > >>>>> Good luck, but please remember: 10 copies of this message > >>>>> must leave your hands in 96 hours... You must not sign on this > >>>>> message... > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:22:53 -0600 From: asset.moo@mail.utexas.edu Subject: Re: NJC: Harris Brothers > Um, I hope this isn't a really stupid question, but what are the Harris >Brothers? I've been trying to figure it out for a while now. At first I >just thought there were an awful lot of EDA's named Harris, but then I kept >seeing more and more Harrises and I noticed that all the Harris brothers >weren't really named Harris. Hmmmm, very suspiscious. And how come I seem >to be the only one who doen't know this? Everyone else just goes around >talking about the Harris Brothers this and the Harris Brothers that and I'm >feeling left out again. And how many of you are there? And, uh, I guess >that's all my questions. Thanks, for anyone who helps me out. > >--Shaun, the Harris-Ignorant EDA Yes help us newbies out!!!!!!!! Who are these Harrisses????? Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: LikeHi@aol.com Subject: NJC: if your last name is Wang, read on please Hi, I know this probably sounds incredibly retarded, but it seems like there are 5 gazillion trillion EDAs on this list who's last name is Wang. I just think that is so darn interesting, so please send me a note if Wang is your last name. I just wanted to see how many of ya'll share the same last time. Thanks! Bye! :) B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:45:43 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Re: I chatted with Jewel In a message dated 2/26/97 11:22:05 PM, you wrote: >I don't think that an imposter would wait until the 3rd IM to respond. Just trust >me, I know what I'm talking about. I'm not an idiot, I'm not nieve, and I'm not >a fool. I think I here your mother calling you! How old are you? 14, 15? Heya...Does anyone else think this guy is just a little mean/dumb/niave??? I mean the guy actually thinks jewel was online...and NO ONE here is defending ME...I mean you all know that jewel is NOT online...and this dumb little newbie A$$hole is trying to make fun of me? my MOMMY is calling? well geez..shed have to pay really high long distance charges to call me...and since i talk to my mom MABYE twice a year on the phone...It seems unlikely that she would be calling me...I dont know...and yes i am 14...is that going to give you some rare type of complexe? do you have a problem with young people?? or is it that you feel intimidated by me being smarter than you? do you hate me...cause i'm pieces of you? Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:21:42 PST From: frkarras1@juno.com (Todd A Werner) Subject: Re: NJC:Angels We need to help a fellow angel >You had some good points. I'm sure he is doing what he thinks is best >for his daughter. But Hitler was doing what he thought was best for >his country and look what that led to. Whoa. Okay, interesting analogy, but I don't see much similarity between Hitler and Kim's father. Kim's father is most certainly doing what HE thinks is best for Kim, and that's his job, since he is indeed her father. They have blood ties, they share genetic material (since we're on this cloning thing), and that's what makes this situation different. Kim's father has a reason, whatever it may be, for what he is doing. Kim has asked us 1) not to send mail to her father, 2) not to expect her to show her dad any mail we send her way, and 3) not to cause any trouble. The best way to follow her wishes in this highly personal matter is not to pester Kim anymore with how we are going to change what is happening. "Never open your mouth unless you know what's on the table," (Glengarry GlenRoss). In this case, I'm guessing that there are very few people who know Kim and know her dad, and therefore very few people that "know what's on the table." Family matters are best left to family, in sum. Plus, in my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, I think it's a little rude to keep discussing Kim and her father as if Kim isn't reading this. It's like talking about somebody and their parents right in front of them and talking about how their parents don't know what they're doing in raising her and that somehow a group of people who have never met her know what's best. I fail to see the reason why this thread continues to thrive; explain it to me, somebody. - -todd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:53:00 +0000 () From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: NJC: Huxley's Brave New World For those of you, who don't want to read about cloning, go to the next letter now. For those of you who have a response to this letter, please email me directly. This is a Jewel list and this thread really should be taken to email. :) My apologies to everyone for adding to this ball of wax. ^_^;;;;; Hi Cole, > >Well, it's *theoretically* possible for humans. The importance of the > >experiment was that it worked for a mammal so people are assuming it's > >possible for humans as well. > Theoretically nothing, the fact that they have done it with a mammal means > that it is possible with humans also, thats why it is such news. I think all we have here is a difference in vocabulary. I say theoretically possible because it hasn't been done yet for a human. That's not to say it isn't possible, but you can't say that it will proceed in precisely the same way as for a sheep, which I know it won't. > Everyone > in the science world knows that it is just a matter of time, a very short > time. Oh, I agree that it's a matter of time. It has always been a matter of time. What I am cautioning however is that they're not the same thing across species. A huge door has indeed been opened, however. 1) Biology (eg. mature egg development) in primates is different than it is in sheep. There are different hormones and enzymes involved. More chromosomes, very picky environmental factors including just the right balance of biochemicals. 2) More chromosomes. Greater chance something will go wrong. > >Well, no, this is not true. It took them over 600+ tries (and several > >years and a LOT of fancy equipment) to get one success. That means you'd > >have to take 600 eggs from a woman or a group of women plus their DNA and > >pray it combines. Also keep in mind that humans have a lot more > >chromosomes than Sheep, so mistakes are easier to make. > > Well, yes this is true, and -*the*- biggest arguement about trying to take > this experiment any further. That one success out of however many tries is > what counts. It will not take 1/4 as many tries for the next success, and > then after that, even less. If you have been paying attention to what has > been going on much, the reason why they are so scared is because it does > not take an enormous sum of money or knowledge to do what they did, now > that they know how they did it. It is a *very* real concern, because they > know just how easy it is. Hence the talk about ethics. In order to attempt the same thing for a human, you'd need to convince one woman to agree to be a part of such a thing, pump her up with fertility drugs to produce eggs so that the haploid DNA can be removed from and then inject DNA and redeposit into a human female surrogate until you get the clone. Plus there are a whole bunch of very rigours timing requirements that need to be met, that I'm not going to go into details, that are necessary for a pregnancy to even occur. Keep in mind that the demographic odds for a single pregnancy to occur is only about 15%. Couples trying to have children usually have to keep trying on average for 4-5 months before all of the biological factors are just right. For the poor human surrogate mother of such a clone experiment along the lines of what the folks in the UK did, such a thing would be considered criminal, cruel and VERY unethical. > I don't know what point you are trying to make, there is no comparison > between the two in the sense of what is news. One is a book, an idea, this > is complete reality, and a potentially scary one at that. On the contrary, they have everything to do with one another. Brave New World is about application of technology that Huxley thought would be possible. The cloning in the UK has indicated that cloning a mammal is possible. The key is that the idea is not new. What is new is that cloning has now been done. Everything starts with just an idea. It's what you do with that idea that's different. > Were you > thinking of "A Brave New World" btw? Yes, Brave New World. > The point I was making which I think has been missed here, is > that this was far more important and newsworthy. That was my one and only > point. Ah ok. :) I guess my only point was that human life is as much about what you do as how you do it. All I was saying was they could have done things better. Albert Wang bahamude@user1.channel1.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:09:38 -0500 From: Kim Adams Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #130 Albert >bahamude@user1.channel1.com: >I have to say first of all that I have no idea what exactly Kim said to >her father the song "Daddy" was about. I told him exactly what is was about. Damn, no one listens to me. Tom: >Anybody else wondering if all these Kim messages might be read by her >dad. Not a good topic unless we have the cone of silence Unless he subscribed, it's not. But every message that anyone from his server crystalwind.com send out goes into his mailbox and he can read them...I know for a fact he doesn't though. Peace, Kimberly " And if you live thru this will me i swear that i will die for you.." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:02:11 -0600 (CST) From: dreeland@shrike.depaul.edu Subject: Re: i chatted with jewel well, i don't know much about jewel's online experience, but she does have an e-mail account, so go figure! Also does anyone know if she reads her mail, and if she has ever replyed? thanx Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:07:26 -0600 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: NJC: Harris Brothers asset.moo@mail.utexas.edu writes: > > Yes help us newbies out!!!!!!!! Who are these Harrisses????? Tessa Well, a long, long time ago there were two clans of mountainfolk, the Harrisses and the McEvoys. Tales of their feud are legendary - you've probably heard bits and pieces. It had all but died down in the last 50 or so years until members of the much-despised Harris clan showed up early for a Jewel show in Boston last year, only to find a couple of McEvoys (Eleanor and Kieran) up on stage singing. To make a long story short, the Harrisses were appalled that the McEvoys would dare touch the same stage as Jewel. Sides were taken, frisbees were thrown, people were ejected, old rivalries were renewed. I can't believe you missed the news stories. It was all over CNN. Rumors now have the Harris brothers cloning themselves to add to their numbers. bob ps. We could tell you but then we'd have to kill you. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:51:54 -0500 From: Tom Kies II Subject: hmmm... Hi folks, I've got a question for you.. A friend of mine seems to think that Jewel is dating the guy from Marilyn Manson. I say she's been woefully misinformed. Can I get the straight story to clear up this mis-guided soul? "It's hard to be understanding when it's not possible to understand" - -------------------------------------------------------- |Tom Kies II |menty@ct1.nai.net |tbk97002@uconnvm.uconn.edu - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:25:47 +0100 From: Alexander Stamou Subject: Re: NJC:Angels We need to help a fellow angel Todd A Werner wrote: > > >You had some good points. I'm sure he is doing what he thinks is best > >for his daughter. But Hitler was doing what he thought was best for > >his country and look what that led to. Are you sure about that? Isn't it more likely that Hitler was a power-hungry sociopath? > Whoa. Okay, interesting analogy, but I don't see much similarity between > Hitler and Kim's father. Kim's father is most certainly doing what HE Hmm...maybe Kim's father is a Hitler clone... :o You know I didn't mean that, Kim. :) > thinks is best for Kim, and that's his job, since he is indeed her > father. They have blood ties, they share genetic material (since we're > on this cloning thing), and that's what makes this situation different. Oh, but isn't it true the aryan race (Hitler's darling) also shares genetic material, or something. Actually, aren't we all really more or less related? Brothers and sisters! Join hands all across the world! > "Never open your mouth unless you know what's on the table," (Glengarry > GlenRoss). In this case, I'm guessing that there are very few people Loved that movie!!! Poor Jack Lemmon. Al Pacino was cool. > Plus, in my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, I think it's a > little rude to keep discussing Kim and her father as if Kim isn't > reading this. It's like talking about somebody and their parents right > in front of them and talking about how their parents don't know what they're doing in raising her and that somehow a group of people who have > never met her know what's best. That's a really good point. > I fail to see the reason why this thread continues to thrive; explain it > to me, somebody. Umm...sorry. I have poor judgment? But you all should know that already. love and stuff, Alex - -- *********************************************** ** Alexander Stamou ** ** Chalmers University of Technology ** ** Gothenburg, Sweden ** ** Primary email: m95stal@mtek.chalmers.se ** ** Secondary email: akzel@hotmail.com ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:32:59 -0600 (CST) From: dreeland@shrike.depaul.edu Subject: Re:good luck anyone else hate chain letters?????? Thank you, but i get enough of these as it is. This really isn't the place for this. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:36:16 +0500 From: Eric Haglund Subject: : NJC: Harris Brothers At 05:07 PM 2/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >asset.moo@mail.utexas.edu writes: >> >> Yes help us newbies out!!!!!!!! Who are these Harrisses????? Tessa > >. Rumors >now have the Harris brothers cloning themselves to add to their numbers. > As far as I know, and I have been working closely with the CIA, FBI, CDC, and DEA on this, the Harris Bros. have multiplied. A year or so ago there were less than a handful of these people but now we have sources telling us that there are Harris Bros. in over 16 states. Sources also tell us that members of the Harris Bros. may be planning on stopping at the Rhode Island Show. That's all I can tell you. I have already said to much. However, if you are approached by what may be a Harris Bros. Do not try to apprehend them. They are armed with frisbees and they have been known to use them when provoked. That's all for now. I will keep you updated as info. comes in.-Lt. Detective Eric Haglund ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #131 ***************************