From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #73 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, February 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Double Albums NJC: newbie tapes done jewel appearence in bay area I NEED POEMS!!!! Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... NJC: Updated my web page NJC: Paula Cole Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... NJC: To Shaun Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... From Billboard online Re: jewel-digest V2 #72 DHJC: Three Brushings and Listerine Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... my jewel theme is neato Re: Double Albums NJC: ATTN: TOAD TAPES Re: DHJC: Three Brushings and Listerine important info on 3/9 show My Poster Story... JC: Foolish Games Single Re: JC: Foolish Games Single theonerock@juno.com (Brandon L Pohja): Very Important re: My Ponder This Post midwest gathering and chicago concert Re: Selling out (was: Re: jewel-digest V2 #72) Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... Selling out (was: Re: jewel-digest V2 #72) NJC: Re: my jewel theme is neato Jeweil in Philly Re: Double Albums NJC: list ethics Beacon Theater, 3/2/97 SOLD OUT Apology ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: Sean Hooks Subject: Double Albums Date: 04-Feb-1997 04:44pm EDT From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: Double Albums Females or male, double albums of new material or rare and even more rarely successful. The only two I can think of are Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness by Smashing Pumpkins and The River by Bruce Springsteen, that one debuted at number one. The Beatles anthologies were rerecorded, Forrest Gump soundtrack and the like are basically anthologies and Guns 'n Roses did Use Your Illusion as two separate albums. As for why female dont even attempt it, I guess it's due to the fact that only recently have women been viewed as equals by record companys and because it just doesnt work well corporately unless you have a very well established pattern of success. Alannis might be able to do it and sell, it would surely be horrible music, but it might sell. The bandwagon top 40 Jewel fans prob'ly wouldn't shell out the cash for a double CD of all new material, so I say, go for it. But in reality the odds are very much against Jewel doing that or Atlantic letting her. That's all. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:52:26 -0600 (CST) From: James Judd Subject: NJC: newbie tapes done Hi, I've finished doing all the tapes i have received. So unless you sent them to me in the last couple of days i don't have them. Enjoy, James ________________________________________________________________________ http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam Auburn University Auburn, Alabama All girls will love geeks one day. It's survival of the species! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:01:47 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Tumolo Subject: jewel appearence in bay area i doubt edas can do anything about this, but regarding jewel's appearence at either the warfield or berkeley community th. (BCT). please, hope it is the warfield. bct sounds terrible. it is a high school auditorium, intended for the principal to stand up on the stage and yell at the student body- and it sounds it. it is exceedingly rare that a promoter will spend enough money to even make it sound halfway good. usually, it is just terrible, whether it be bruce cockburn, joan armatrading, the cranberris, or even the grateful dead (mid 80s, the best they could do was make it sound passable), no one sounds really good in that place. even bruce springstien, in his joad appearence about the best i've heard in that place, was only good, not excellent. the warfield on the other hand is very good to excellent. they have a meyer sound system in there which has been properly set up for the place. its an old 30s movie and vodeville house, very nice interrior, and sounds well all on its own. the difference in enjoyment of the performance is day and night. i've taped in both places (both stealth and legitimately) and the proof is on the tapes. also, she might consider the palace of fine arts in san fran, its where people such as tori amos, ferron, and loreena mckennit (artists who care about sound) have played. at about 1000, it is smaller than bct's 3400 (think 2 shows). of course, i'd like her to do multiple shows at the fillmore (officialy, i think it is 1000, but i've been present when the band got its cut from a 1200 night). not only is it a great place to see a show, but i'd love to see what bgp comes up with for a poster. hell, the the bill graham civic (seat 3000) sounds better than bct, but that isn't saying much. - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: ""Cricket" Chhay" Subject: I NEED POEMS!!!! Um...could everyone do me a favor? Okay, I was hoping that you could email me a bunch of poems. I would LOVE it if maybe I could get one poem from each person on the list(or at least as much as possible since there's so many people on the list!). I can't really say why I need them yet. But don't worry, I won't like plagarize or take credit for your poems or anything. So from one EDA to another, PLEASE help me out here. Email me at chhaya@flash.net if you have a poem to send me. It doesn't even have to be that long! I need them before this weekend. DeRrIcK aKa CrIcKeT - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:55:56 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... Alan Bershaw wrote: > I've been thinking about the possibilty of Jewel releasing > a double album come next year & something dawned on me. > I'm basicly wondering if Jewel were to do this, would it > be historicly significant in the popular music industry? I think it would be a historic flop. OK, let's say she releases Foolish Games and it's #1 for 8 weeks and carries her into 1998. Maybe even they release Near You Always before FG and it does well. Jewel has 3 or 4 hits now, off her FIRST album. 1998 rolls in and she releases a double CD. WHO the heck would buy it besides us diehards and those that can afford the 25$ for it? Will the general public trust her sophomore CD enough to shell out the 25$? Even if the reviewers give it raves? (it's not like she's going to be a diva by then....I mean I wish....but it don't happen that fast) Even if Jewel released "Carnivore" a month before a double CD, I think the fact that it's a double would dramatically drag down sales once it came out. However, if she had a normal lone CD come out, and released Carnivore on the heels of FG running it's course and a full month before the CD came out, we are then talking HUGE sales. Hypothetical sitch here....look at the year Alanis just had. Do you think she'd (or her label) have the chutzpah to release a double next? It's tooooooo big of a chance. As to another female artist who released a double album of studio stuff?....beats me. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:23:17 -0500 From: "Will, Prince of Insufficient Light" Subject: NJC: Updated my web page I updated my web page to include an expanded navbar, and I added my tape list. With my boots page out of the way, it now frees me up to begin construction on my Jewel page, code name: Tiny Love Space (if you take my idea, I'll have to.... :) [to enjoy my site, please use a browser that supports tables and java] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. Chinda ~ wc81@ao.net ~ http://www.ao.net/~wc81 ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:23:31 -0500 From: RAEL Subject: NJC: Paula Cole Hi fellow EDA's! I just found out that Paula Cole is going to be at the Theater of the Living Arts in Philadelphia on Feb. 20th, 22nd, 23rd. Are any of you going? I'll be there on the 22nd, and maybe the 20th. Let me know, maybe we could get together before or after the show. goodbye for now, Bill P. - -- "I'd rather see the world from another angle..."--Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:33:09 -0500 From: "Will, Prince of Insufficient Light" Subject: Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... >For the life of me, I cannot think of a single female who >has released a full length double CD of ALL new studio >material ever, outside of jazz, classical or opera. I can't >remember a single pop/rock/folk etc female that has done >this. Well, double studio CDs are fairly rare for either gender...right? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. Chinda ~ wc81@ao.net ~ http://www.ao.net/~wc81 ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:37:57 PST From: frkarras1@juno.com (Todd A Werner) Subject: NJC: To Shaun Shaun - I got your message about the Jewel tapes you asked me for, but I tried to reply and my mail was returned. Please email me again and we can try this again. Thanks, sorry for the delay and confusion. - -todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:36:44 PST From: frkarras1@juno.com (Todd A Werner) Subject: Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:55:56 -0500 Mike Connell writes: >Alan Bershaw wrote: > >> I've been thinking about the possibilty of Jewel releasing >> a double album come next year & something dawned on me. > >> I'm basicly wondering if Jewel were to do this, would it >> be historicly significant in the popular music industry? > >I think it would be a historic flop. Add to this the incredible 'sophomore jinx' that seems to have taken over popular artists recently. Gin Blossoms, Hootie, and others that I can't think of... I guess Counting Crows album is selling well, but not as good as their last one, even though the critics like it. Point being, people don't buy records (IMHO) because they liked the last one, they buy 'em cause they like the new stuff, and people are gonna have to REALLY like the new stuff to shell out $25 bucks. - -Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:46:08 -0600 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... Mike Connell writes: > Jewel has 3 or 4 hits now, off her FIRST album. 1998 rolls in and she > releases a double CD. WHO the heck would buy it besides us diehards and > those that can afford the 25$ for it? If I saw the double album for $25, I wouldn't buy it... I'd get out of the mall and go someplace that carries double albums for what they usually go for... $17-$19. Prince's 3 disc set goes for about $25 if I recall correctly Sure, production costs would be higher, but the fact of the matter is that if they _WANTED_ to, they could release a double album for the same price as a single ($13-$15) and still make a pretty penny in the process. Anyone remember PoY being a "nice price" item. It was in stores for $8.99 for a loooong time. Only when the singles did well did the price go back up to where it was for the first month of it's issue. > However, if she had a normal lone CD come out, and released Carnivore on > the heels of FG running it's course and a full month before the CD came > out, we are then talking HUGE sales. Anyone care to project sales if, instead of getting one disc of material, for the same price you got two. With one or two singles, it'd leave PoY sales in the dust. bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:16:32 -0500 (EST) From: JefffSmith@aol.com Subject: From Billboard online RIAA STAT SHEET: The top two debut albums of all time each moved up a notch in the January gold and platinum certifications as Hootie & the Blowfish and Boston reached sales of 15 million and 16 million units, respectively. The Recording Industry Association of America also bestowed metal upon several Grammy contenders, with leading Grammy nominee Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds earning triple-platinum for his 1993 release, "For The Cool In You," while best new artist hopefuls LeAnn Rimes and Jewel moved up to triple and double platinum, respectively, for their albums "Blue" and "Pieces Of You." Soundtracks also scored during January as 1994's "The Crow" flew to 3 million, while the 2-million-units level was reached by "The Preacher's Wife," "Romeo and Juliet" and "Space Jam." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Andrew Carlson Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #72 It has come time for me to finally say it: SHE HAS SOLD OUT COMPETELY. Not just a little. It started with small things, like a back up band, and doing shitty songs on soundtracks. And now, with this whole album thing...she is a sell out, and her new music is not good enough to be worth the wait. Mike... I use to love her, it sucks when you lose something you really use to love. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:49:28 -0800 From: "Carter Navarro" Subject: DHJC: Three Brushings and Listerine DHJC: Dentally Hygienic Jewel Content I recently listened to Jewel's recounting of her first encounter with a cigar and her ensuing resolution that she would never again do something that three brushings and Listerine could not undo. Anyway, this reminded me of my far less "cool" encounter with another Breath Destroyer... Dog Jerky. Yes, I ate dog jerky. Why? Because I love, love, I LOVE beef jerky, and I was so deprived of the stuff that when I was feeding my dog her tasty treats -- which, I swear, smell EXACTLY like beef jerky for people -- that I couldn't help myself. Kids, DON'T DO DOG JERKY. That stuff was NASTY. Three brushings and a Listerine did nothing to drown the rotten taste of Grade F meat burning my tongue. I don't understand how dogs can eat what they do. How the hell did Purina become so profitable when my dog is more than willing to eat tanbark all day? Anyone else made any severe culinary mistakes along these lines? I know the Jewel content of this potential thread is as close to zero as you can get, but I think we could use a bit of a break from the double dose of castor oil that the vulgarity/album delay threads have forced down our throats as of late. CGN, Jerky Boy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Wong Subject: Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... Alan wrote: > I've been thinking about the possibilty of Jewel releasing > a double album come next year & something dawned on me. > For the life of me, I cannot think of a single female who > has released a full length double CD of ALL new studio > material ever, outside of jazz, classical or opera. I can't > remember a single pop/rock/folk etc female that has done > this. I'm sure someone saw this coming: A few years back, before then-Atlantic-pop-darling Debbie Gibson's third album was to come out, fans were asked if they'd like a double record set (duh!)... While I'm not entirely clear on the decision making process, the end result was _Anything_Is_Possible_, a *16* track release, literally as much as could be fit on a *single* CD. (To the point that the Japan release bonus track ended up on a separate 3" cd) Note, of course, that CD standards have progressed, and we're up to 80 minute CDs, now, but back then, it was a lot to find in one package... especially at the normal CD price. My belief continues to be that record labels believe in milking as much money out of as little music as possible. The music buying public continues to prefer buying larger amounts of music; the labels keep pushing singles. That singles continue to drop in sales numbers (remember that RIAA definitions of gold and platinum were redefined in the 80s; even as sales of *albums* were booming, fewer singles sold) has had no effect on sales strategies. I think we could actually argue that labels have reversed their older strategies; a band is given it's shot with an album, sales is rewarded by the endless stream of over promoted singles. Jewel's reward is less recorded music being released. All the same, I do find one chance for a double CD set. As has already been the subject of more than one collusion lawsuit, the labels want to raise prices on records. There's been a lot of resistance to the $17-18 price in the US, which isn't all that much more than the old $15-16 prices previously dominant... Discount chains, etc. have had some luck in turning back the attack. However, if the labels can divert attention away from standard releases with doubles ("twice the music for not much more" gimmicks), they might get away with raising the base price of single albums to 20 bucks, compared to the "bargain" price of $30 for a 2 CD set. Not exactly a happy day for music buying, but if we're really lucky, it'll be the critical mass needed for the entire big label music biz to implode, and the indie labels can keep right on releasing albums because they like the music. :) (I wouldn't be worried about Jewel, because she'll have made her fortune by then, and can easily find an indie label to release her stuff, taking care of both paying her bills and letting us hear her music. :) I do find myself wondering if any indie labels have done it, but figure they'd probably just have released 2 CDs a lot sooner than wait to pack it all up... Just MHO, :) Ray Ray Wong, PO BOX 6163 negativl@best.com, negativl@netcom.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:02:40 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Wenrich Subject: my jewel theme is neato hey kids here is a cool jewel theme for win'95... take the 55 picture most of you will know the one I'm talking about... and put it in a single normal size in the center of your screen then take sounds from bootlegs like Jewel talking to the audience... I took the thing from regis and Kathy lee when Jewel says something like "It's easy to write from dark places it's more of a chalange to write about good things" I don't remember exactly... but thats pretty close... anyway it makes a good theme and makes your time on the computer more enjoyable....}+++:) "Music is the mechanics of the human heart"-jewel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Notte Subject: Re: Double Albums Don't forget Pink Floyd's "the Wall" there Hooks. Jay On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Sean Hooks wrote: > > Date: 04-Feb-1997 04:44pm EDT > From: Hooks, Sean > SHOOKS > Dept: STUDENT > Tel No: > > TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) > > > Subject: Double Albums > > Females or male, double albums of new material or rare and even more > rarely successful. The only two I can think of are Mellon Collie and the > Infinite Sadness by Smashing Pumpkins and The River by Bruce Springsteen, > that one debuted at number one. The Beatles anthologies were rerecorded, > Forrest Gump soundtrack and the like are basically anthologies and Guns 'n > Roses did Use Your Illusion as two separate albums. As for why female dont > even attempt it, I guess it's due to the fact that only recently have > women been viewed as equals by record companys and because it just doesnt > work well corporately unless you have a very well established pattern of > success. Alannis might be able to do it and sell, it would surely be > horrible music, but it might sell. The bandwagon top 40 Jewel fans prob'ly > wouldn't shell out the cash for a double CD of all new material, so I say, > go for it. But in reality the odds are very much against Jewel doing that > or Atlantic letting her. That's all. > Later, > Sean Hooks > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:02:52 PST From: frkarras1@juno.com (Todd A Werner) Subject: NJC: ATTN: TOAD TAPES Sorry to clutter up the list but a group email is the quickest way to do it. The two Toad tapes I have are: Rain of Frogs: 100 min. and 99% Acoustic: 60 min (NOT 90 min) I thought 99% was 90 min long, heck, I even went out and bought ninety minute tapes today and as I was preparing to dub the tapes, I noticed that they were only 60 min. If you're sending me tapes, no problem, send me a 60 min instead of a 90 min. however, if I'm dubbing the tapes and trading with you, is it all right if I dub them onto 90 minute tapes and then if you want you can transfer them to 60 minute tapes? Otherwise I'll have to go buy more tapes (which is okay, I guess... I'll use the 90 minute tapes somewhere...) but I'd rather not. Please let me know what you'd like me to do so I can get the dubbing underway. Sorry about the mixup. - - Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 19:21:36 EST From: mr.neal@juno.com (Neal Tsay) Subject: Re: DHJC: Three Brushings and Listerine Carter Navarro wrote: >Yes, I ate dog jerky. Why? Because I love, love, I LOVE beef jerky, >get, but I think we could use a bit of a break from the double dose of >castor oil that the vulgarity/album delay threads have forced down our >throats as of late. To me, it sounds like Mr. Navarro made a BIG mistake in taking too large a bite of beef jerky. Anyway, here are some of my personal tips when sampling pet foods: 1) Read the ingredients. Don't worry about the chemicals and stuff, only the main ingredients, keeping in mind that just because it says "Beef," God knows what part of "beef" it is. If it sounds satisfactory, go ahead. 2) Smell it. If it is tempting or smells like something you would eat if it were on the dinner table, go ahead, why not? 3) TAKE A SMALL NIBBLE. Once you take a large bite, it's a do or die situation. Do not put yourself in the positions that Carter and Jewel were in. This way, you can have a little taste before you decide whether to give something to your dog or keep it for yourself. I myself have found that the biggest turn off of Dog Jerky Treats is its mushy texture: not the tougher, fibrous texture you'd expect from regular Beef Jerky. As for dry dog food, I once read the label for this one brand and the main ingredient was corn meal. I popped a little crunchy piece into my mouth and to my surprise, it tasted a lot like Corn Flakes. Finding it not repulsive, I ate a second piece. Not bad. You could probably add milk and eat it like Corn Flakes. Think about this next time you buy Corn Flakes; you could save some cash by buying the alternative pet version. NJC haters, sorry for the curveball. All others, sorry if I made you lose your appetite. Neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:29:18 -0800 From: lmarion@ix.netcom.com (Laura Marion) Subject: important info on 3/9 show Hello all! I had posted earlier that tickets for the 3/9 show at the Tower theater go on sale on 2/7. Well i always seem to have bad experiences with ticketmaster operators so i descided to call back again just to make sure that it was correct. Well the operator I got the second time said that the tickets were going on sale on 2/5. I very politely asked her to get her supervisor for me to speak with. After holding for 10 minutes a supervisor talked with me. I told her everything and she put me on hold. After holding for another 10 minutes, she told me that they had no information about that show at this time. So right now I have no clue when they go on sale, sorry. Anybody that finds out, please post! Thanks, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:36:50 -0500 From: bell@mclv.net Subject: My Poster Story... This nice little thing happened to me the other day and I thought the rest of you EDA's would be interested to hear about it. Basically, my boyfriend and I were shopping in a local music store when we noticed that in the big light up display they had a Jewel posted I had yet to see. Of course we ran over to look at it and at the bottom it of course said "For promotional uses only. Not for sale."... ACK! NOOOOO! So i go up to the guy at the counter and ask him if maybe they have another one of those that they can give me, and he says No. So then I tell him, "Hey, I'll give you 20 bucks for that one"... I think his mouth proceeded to drop directly to the floor. Then he says "I'll go ask the manager!" He comes back in a minute or so and it's all a go, of course there's a couple pieces of tape on the corners but it's not noticeable enough. And well worth the price. The last thing he says to me before i leave is "Geez, you must really like Jewel"... So I replied with "You have *NO* idea." Then I smiled real big and ran happily out the door. Life is good, reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal good. :) - --Lisa "Your hands manifest thought." --Jewel Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 00:11:23 UT From: "Jeff Griese" Subject: JC: Foolish Games Single Hello All! I've noticed everyone's disappointment over the album release. What can ya do? Anyways, I've also noticed suggestions for the FG's single (CD5, B-sides, CD10,etc...). It would be great if it could be an EP but I doubt that, the previous singles' content don't give us much hope of that. But what would make a most EXCELLENT B-side would be... drum roll, please... the "All By Myself" cover tune which was omitted from the Clueless soundtrack. Good idea? Huh!? Later, Jeff Griese ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:15:13 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: JC: Foolish Games Single >Anyways, I've also noticed suggestions for the FG's single (CD5, B-sides, >CD10,etc...). It would be great if it could be an EP but I doubt that, the 1st: What is CD5 and/or CD10? Somthing I would like to see is maybe it be an enhanced CD with the video and maybe some other good stuff on it. >the "All By Myself" cover tune which was omitted from the Clueless soundtrack. Sounds great. - -Ashe Mayfair "Angels lookin' make it hard to cry" -Tracy Bonham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:18:39 EST From: the_kernel@juno.com (Sarah E Kern) Subject: theonerock@juno.com (Brandon L Pohja): Very Important - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: theonerock@juno.com (Brandon L Pohja) To: Admissions@Cornerstone.edu, annica@post5.tele.dk,president@juno.com,BISHOPML@WILDCAT.CRSC.K12.AR.US,0002059457@mcimail.com,krispur@ibm.net,75122.1507@compuserve.com, kcox@hiwaay.net,foursisters@juno.com, 01jkhamman@bsuvc.bsu.edu,sv61413@lanet.lv,dhorne@indiana.edu, Grenisnt4u@aol.com,lregan@mail.isbe.state.il.us,joey78@hotmail.com,lemontzi@plains.nodak.edu, 95-27721@usb.ve,jsmunoz@juno.com,nelsonmi@cwnet.com, oprisko@gte.net,alice@linux.cs.dpu.lv,rpoulin@cln.etc.bc.ca, mratliff@okeechobee.com,as011@detroit.freenet.org, Drbrudd@aol.com, the_kernel@juno.com,aschroeder@lakers.lssu.edu, jsiddall@mortimer.com,gnbaptist@aol.com,anbillst@southwind.net, suuem@hotmail.com,acejsmail@hotmail.com,ro623@juno.com, belle99@hotmail.com Subject: Very Important Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:37:53 PST Message-ID: <19970204.153755.7391.0.theonerock@juno.com> This is very important that you read this and respond as soon as possible Thanks, Brandon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:36:59 -0600 Subject: Fw: Problem Message-ID: <32f73b8015c7002@cliff.ou.edu> X-Status: Read X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Okay everyone, this is it. The phone companies is trying to make you paid for Internet service by the minute! Don't let it happen. Brian ************************************************************************* From: Louis T. Smith Newsgroups: alt.bored Date: Sunday, February 02, 1997 10:57 AM Hi I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send your comments to mailto:isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all our voices may be heard. Louis - --------- End forwarded message ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 20:43:19 -0500 (EST) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: re: My Ponder This Post Hi again, I've been enjoying the responses I've gotten privately regarding my post that asked: Has any female ever released a double CD of ALL NEW STUDIO material? A bunch of people have written mentioning Joni Mitchell's "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter". This I was aware of, but since it was pre-CDs, I didn't consider it to qualify. But now that I continue to think on this, other than Joni's LP set from back then, I can only think of one other double album of all new studio material by a female. (An old favorite of mine from the late 60's, named Julie Driscoll also released a double called "Streetnoise" that I love.) I still can't think of any female thats done this since CDs became available. Keep thinking. 1000 heads are better than 1. :-) Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:48:36 EST From: lilpenny@juno.com (sean e olsen) Subject: midwest gathering and chicago concert hello there well i excited to hear that she is coming someplace near me. i called the theater on monday and they said it wasn;t confirmed yet, has anyone elseheard anything different as far as when the tickets go on sale or where they are going to be sold through. it sounds like a lot of people are going to try to go, so are we going to try to meet as a group somewhere before and after the show. just wondering. i appreciate anyone's help on info for this concert. thanks again sean It's like acting crazy when your already nuts-Jimmy the MTV Cab Driver one day the world will be ready for you and wonder how they didn't see-Eels Cause anyone can start a conflict, it's better yet to disregard it-Jewel Cant talk to a pyscho like a normal human being-poe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:52:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Andrew Carlson Subject: Re: Selling out (was: Re: jewel-digest V2 #72) Listen, I have like many bands, and singers who have grown and gotten better. They made money, but their music stayed the same or got much better. This has not been the case at all with Jewel. I can name bands such as U2, who were fine at the beginning, but have gotten great. It seems that supporting someone just because you liked them once, when their "new sound" is not worth supporting, is just idiotic. This is music, not my favorite sports team. Jewel was great when she was small...She played music that meant something to her and to us...now she plays for the money, and her music does not mean a thing to me...Hopefully, it still means something to you. Mike... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:13:54 -0600 (CST) From: avernon@koala.scott.net Subject: Re: MrBB---Ponder this.... > > I've been thinking about the possibilty of Jewel releasing > > a double album come next year & something dawned on me. Double albums are no more. What once required four vinyl sides will now fit on a single CD. That works out to 16 tracks or so, not that much more than the 14-song _Pieces Of You_. A double-CD release is really overkill since that would entail 32-40 tracks and even a composer who churns out a handful of songs every few weeks like Jewel would have a hard time making such a large project work. And, with artificial CD prices (Come on already, replicating and packaging a CD costs only $2 or so), would price it out of the reach of most younger buyers (List makeup indicates she's strong among 14-21 year olds). And what would we get? Probably about a 50/50 mix of strong songs and cast-offs Jewel probably never would have even performed publically much less record. While we die-hards would probably find those full of insights on her writing process, More casual listeners are just gonna hit the ">>" button. Four-sided albums of the old days were a tougher sell, and in many cases, the artist got a lower royalty on sales of them. And, in terms of sales, the last 4-sider I remember doing well in sales was Prince's [or O(+>'s] _1999_. Now that single cassettes and CDs can hold what would have taken two slabs of vinyl (currently shipping copies of _1999_ are in these forms), artists can produce longer albums, about 72 minutes or so. _Pieces Of You_ comes in at under 59 minutes, which was unheard of 15 years ago. Clearly, the best balance of content and marketability is for Jewel to produce a second 60-minute album. For people who copy their CDs for the car (like me), they can take _POY_ and put WWSYS through "Morning Song" on side one and the balance on the second side and have seconds to spare at the ends. Nice if you don't want to fast-forward or rewind through a 100-120-minute-length tape to get to your faves. And unfortunately, there might be a few songs she's tossed around that might not make the cut. This is one reason for the comparatively lenient taping policy we live under. The infamous "Cold Song" prolly won't appear on disc because it's a novelty song that gets a good response from a live audience. I've heard from list discussion that "Race Car Driver" isn't destined for the studio anytime soon either. However, because both are good songs in their elements, we have the opportunity to hear them through her shows and tape trades. Lenedra realizes this since three of the four Jewelstock tapes cleared for an EDA tree. (the fourth is under embargo while Atlantic picks its faves, right?) Also, there's still one more way some songs may surface: B-sides. Back in the dark ages when singles were little vinyl records with big holes in the middle, the 'single' was on side A while another song was on side B. In many cases, artists put a previously unreleased song on the B-side to entice owners of the album to buy as well. This gets carried on today, even when most cassette singles (although not Atlantic's) feature both songs on each side. As I've always said, Jewel should be allowed to sell well, as long as she doesn't 'sell out' by letting the quality of her music suffer or taking too much s--t from the record company. - -- Reverend Angus Amateur A&R Angel avernon@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:25:02 -0600 (CST) From: avernon@koala.scott.net Subject: Selling out (was: Re: jewel-digest V2 #72) > album thing...she is a sell out, and her new music is not good enough to > be worth the wait. Fine... Go find somebody else to listen to until they hit it big, then dump them as well. Repeat as many times as you can stand. This kind of thing is like hearing about one of those deadbeat dads who father all these children by different moms and then runs off three weeks after the birth of each because they don't want to raise the child and see how she/he turns out. - -- Reverend Angus "Selling _well_, not _out_." avernon@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:32:42 -0600 (CST) From: avernon@koala.scott.net Subject: NJC: Re: my jewel theme is neato > hey kids here is a cool jewel theme for win'95... take the 55 picture most > of you will know the one I'm talking about... and put it in a single > normal size in the center of your screen ... Since I have to be the one to ensure cross-platform compatability, you Mac folk can use the "Wallzapper" feature of After Dark (versions 3 and 4) to do the same thing. For the sounds, look around for a little control panel called "SoundMaster." Find a Kaliedoscope theme in complimentary colors to complete the look. - -- Reverend Angus Accellerated for Power Macintosh avernon@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 20:25:34 -0500 From: Matthew Milner Subject: Jeweil in Philly Hey Philly area angels, Can someone mail me if they find any info about the Tower show. I called Ticketmaster today and they didn't have any info. I got beaten to all the Prince ticks a mionth ago, I don't want to miss this too! Matt ****************************************************** Matthew Milner mmilner@motown.lmco.com st92homi@post.drexel.edu Lockheed Martin Drexel University There are 24 hours in a day. There are also 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? GO FLYERS!!!!!!!! ****************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 21:13:44 -0500 From: David Cragin Subject: Re: Double Albums > > My thought on this thread are.... A lot of the great bands have released double albums of strictly studio material such as The Wall by Pink Floyd , The Who, and Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti which is by far is the best in my humble opinion because each song has it's own unique quality and therefore giving the listener the feeling that every song is an album in it self which most or if not all double albums do not do. David Cragin PS: If you like rock and not heard Physical Graffiti check it out you'll not regret it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 20:14:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Tim Gavin, The only true paranormal of the Fu Sheng beaver." Subject: NJC: list ethics I won't get long winded here, because I think it's been said best already: "Share publicly, flame privately." Wise words. If it's positive, post it. If it's a flame, then send it to your intended flamee, not the list. That way we don't have to avoid offensive posts, because we'll never get them. Besides, it's rather hard to avoid a post because one has to read it to find its offensiveness. And, for the many digest subscribers, we have less choice of avoidance. Just play nice, people. tim gavin p.s.> please don't flame me for past grievances, they've already been apologized for. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 21:42:38 -0500 From: Crash Boy Subject: Beacon Theater, 3/2/97 SOLD OUT yes, the march 2nd show at the beacon theater in nyc is sold out. now, just gotta wait for tickets for march 3rd to go on sale. eric :) - -- Crash Boy's EDA Page --- http://members.aol.com/boycrash/crashboy.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 03:13:48 EST From: diablo13@juno.com (Edward A Frayna) Subject: Apology Sorry if I offended anybody! So if I did here it is! Ed Oh yeah I'll tone it down a little! ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #73 **************************