From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #25 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, January 14 1997 Volume 02 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: suicide SJC : YWMFM on MTV [JRC] EveryDay Angels Yearbook REVAMPING (Jewel Related Content) NJC---Rugburns CDs RE---Choir Of Angels--ATTN--all who wish to contribute Re: SJC : YWMFM on MTV NJC: something to think about (fwd) Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) YWMFM Overplayed... Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) Re[2]: NJC: something to think about (fwd) very NJC: help on home page creation Re: NJC: something to think about Re: SJC : YWMFM on MTV TAB: Angel Needs a Ride NJC; Maybe you guys can help... Anyone have the Flower Tab RE: my 2 cents on suicide Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) SJC: Nina recommendation Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:06:34 -0500 (EST) From: BaldAndy@aol.com Subject: NJC: suicide - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: NJC: Re: IMPORTANT---READ THIS NOW!!!!!!! Date: 97-01-13 10:04:12 EST From: BaldAndy To: m95stal@mtek.chalmers.se Most states have wised up and taken the sucide law off the books. ATTEMPTED suicide is still illegal (in every state, I think, except Mass., that's a commonwealth) and the "punishment" consisits of some sort of therapy and visits from a court leizon for a set amount of time. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: SJC : YWMFM on MTV As I was enjoying sitting around, soaking up my winter vacation that goes until THE 27TH ( you are all SO jealous ) I was flipping channels and I managed to find the last half of YWMFM on MTV. Now, this is the strange thing... it's about an hour later right now, and Idalis just announced that they're playing it again. Either it's getting TREMENDOUS airplay, or the MTV people are having some slight technical difficulties... As Idalis announced the video she said "this one features Jewel getting busy... well... sort of". I guess I didn't really think of it that way, but... Does anyone else have a hard time understanding the video ? I agree, it's beautiful... but, as I said to Alan, Dennis, Amy, AmyJo, Duff, and Mike the other day, well.... the song is about Jewel wanting the guy to be near her, and eventually he'll come around and be with her and love her, right ? Then why is Steve hanging around and kissing her neck as she sings ? I watch it , and I think, "You know, Jewel, if you just turned around and kissed him back, the song would be over and you could go home." I ralize how great it is that he's in the video, 'cause he helped to write it and all, but... it just bothers me :). Of course, I understand that my interpritation is probably just that... and no one else on earth sees the video and thinks that. Oh well... Just wondering :) Forgive me for rambling !! Love, Rachel :) PS- anyone on the list go to FSU or live in Northern Florida ? Just wondering if I'll be able to find more than one EDA down there when I move... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Leave the shadows dancing Subject: [JRC] EveryDay Angels Yearbook REVAMPING (Jewel Related Content) Hey fellow EveryDay Angels!!! =) Here I am again with the EDA Yearbook. However, this time I would like to actually *gasp* MODIFY it! :) There are a few minor design problems to being with (namely age, as opposed to birthdate), but now that there are so many people on it, it looks as if this is actually a successful thing. :) Ok.. here is my proposal. PLEASE send me any additional questions that you would suggest (simple multiple choice or yes/no questions are best) to be added to the EDA Yearbook. As of yet, I have open for answering (anything left unanswered simply is not put in your page) as of yet are: Name Signature Name From E-mail Address Web Address Gender Age (Going to be changed to birthdate/birthyear!) Height Hair Color Eye Color Did you attend JewelStock? When did you join the mailing list? How did you find out about Jewel? Any comments? Got any more creative ideas!? =) If there are enough suggestions, I'll make a little button for people to add their info (with it e-mailing you with a confirmation password so that you can confirm that YOU in fact changed it, not someone else and update it). Gerrit (If you haven't gotten tapes from me, and I'm copying them for you, please e-mail me a reminder to see where they are as I've had a few problems with the mail over christmas- just to make sure we haven't lost anything) - -- "This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force." -- Dorothy Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 02:56:27 -0600 From: Damon Schmidt Subject: NJC---Rugburns CDs If anyone's having too much trouble finding Rugburns CDs, I can offer = some. We never run out around here. Or at least they always restock = 'em quickly! Damon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:08:54 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: RE---Choir Of Angels--ATTN--all who wish to contribute Attention all who aish to be included in the EDA Originals tape project: Choir Of Angels. Please update me as to the status of your song/spoken word piece/whatever. When finished, please let me know. I will be accepting tapes into February, but will not allow it to drag out beyond that. Thanks for your time.... Any question, mail me at the above address... Damon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:46:29 -0600 From: "James H. Judd" Subject: Re: SJC : YWMFM on MTV - - of". I guess I didn't really think of it that way, but... Does anyone else - - have a hard time understanding the video ? I agree, it's beautiful... - - but, as I said to Alan, Dennis, Amy, AmyJo, Duff, and Mike the other day, - - well.... the song is about Jewel wanting the guy to be near her, and - - eventually he'll come around and be with her and love her, right ? - - Then why is Steve hanging around and kissing her neck as she sings ? I - - watch it , and I think, "You know, Jewel, if you just turned around and - - kissed him back, the song would be over and you could go home." I think the video is about a past boyfriend. Steve kissing her is just a memory- that's why she's unresponsive for the most part. I don't think the guy in the song will ever come around- it's about loss. But my interpritation may be tainted by recent events in my life :) Well okay, i have some time to waste waiting for a meeting... You Were Meant For Me, an interpritation by James I hear the clock, it's 6am I feel so far away from where I've been She misses her relationship with him- he used to sleep with her and such. The closeness. Got my eggs, and my pancakes too Got my maple syrup, everything but you Ah, how the things that used to make us happy don't when we're dumped. I break the yolks and make a smiley face I kinda like it in my brand new place Nothing sadder than trying to make yourself happy and it not working. I wipe the spots off of the mirror Don't leave the keys in the door Never put wet towels on the floor anymore 'cause 'Cause that's stuff he got peaved about and now she's doing it even though he's gone. A ritual in respect for the memory of their relationship, she's doing what was important now but it's too late. Doesn't mean a thing to anyone except for her. CHROUS: Dreams last so long Even after you're gone Sums it right up. He's gone, she misses him. I know, that you love me And soon you will see You were meant for me And I was meant for you He doesn't think she's the one, but she loves him so much still even though he's gone that she thinks he will come around and realize what he's missing out on. Whatever- i used to be there. Poor girl. Called my momma, she was out for a walk Consoled a cup of coffee but it didn't wanna talk Sad again. Nothing can help her get over him but time. No one, nothing can help. Picked up a paper, it was more bad news More hearts being broken or people being used Ouch. Put on my coat in the pouring rain Saw a movie it just wasn't the same 'Cause it was happy and I was sad It made me miss you oh so bad Ain't that the worst? A happy movie not cheering you up since it just reminds you of your former good times with your ex-SO. CHROUS: Dreams last so long Even after you're gone I know, that you love me And soon you will see You were meant for me And I was meant for you See above :) BRIDGE: Go about my business, I'm doing fine Besides, what would I say if I had you on the line Same old story, not much to say Hearts are broken every day Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. (Stewart Smalley) Brush my teeth and put the cap back on I know you hate it when I leave the light on More rituals in respect for his wishes which don't matter anyone except her now. Sad song. I pick up a book, Turn the sheets down Take a deep breath and a good look around Still misses him. So sad. When she got up and now going to bed. And all day inbetween. Put on my pj's and hop into bed I'm half alive but I feel mostly dead Yup. I know sweetie. It sucks. I try and tell myself it'll be all right I just shouldn't think anymore tonight Yah, nothing but time can heal you honey. CHROUS: Dreams last so long Even after you're gone I know, that you love me And soon you will see You were meant for me And I was meant for you Such a sad song. Okay so there you go. Gosh, that only took 10 minutes. Anyone want me to work on something harder? James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:19:56 -0500 From: "W. Chinda" Subject: NJC: something to think about (fwd) My dad sent me this. It's pretty deep stuff. >Return-Path: wchinda@hercii.mar.lmco.com >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 12:28:14 EST >From: wchinda@hercii.mar.lmco.com (William Chinda) >To: wc81@ao.net >Subject: Fwd: something to think about (fwd) > > > >----- Begin Included Message ----- > >This appeared in the Dec 31 column by Diana Griego Erwin in The Sacramento >Bee, Sacramento, Calif. > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >This interesting view of the world and our place in it was sent in by >research physiologist Steve Anderson, who got it from his wife, who received >it from a friend. I edited it a little. > >"Summary of the World" >If we could shrink the Earth's population to a village of precisely 100 >people with all existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look like >this: > >There would be 57 Asians, 21 Europeans, 14 from the Western Hemisphere and >eight Africans. Fifty-one would be female; 49, male. Seventy would be >non-white; 30 white. Seventy would be non-Christian. > >Half the wealth would be in the hands of only six people, and all six would >be citizens of the United States. Eighty would live in substandard housing. >Seventy would be unable to read. Fifty would suffer from malnutrition. Only >one person would have a college education. No one would own a computer. [!] > >When one considers our world from such an incredibly compressed >perspective, the need for both tolerance and understanding becomes >glaringly apparent. ~~~~ W. Chinda wc81@ao.net http://www.ao.net/~wc81 "Somehow our standard of living got stuck on survive." -J. Kilcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:01:04 -0600 From: "James H. Judd" Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) I think we all agree that we don't want to see people suffer, live in poverty, etc. But the methods to reduce strife can be debated. I think the ultimate solution is charity- give of your time or money to the causes in which you believe. Here's a little story that dropped into my inbox today. It's a little extreme, but leans toward some feelings i've developed- against reverse racism and welfare. I think we should be colorblind. Affirmative action go away. Racial pride go away. Just view each other as people. No one is pure anything racially. When we give unfair advantages to one race, others are slighted. It's silly really. Best person for the job should be hired. Period. Welfare- yes. But put the people to work. Make the jobs hard, so they will find easier, more meaningful work. If they are unable physically to work, make them do what they can for money. It's only fair. If they are sick, get them back to health first. I'm not unreasonable, just very focused on justice and equality. Two little stories that are real and happend to girls close to me. First, Julie, half Thai, could not go to another school like the african-americans could. They could get bussed to any school that was mostly white from across town in Montgomery. Asians, Hispanics, etc- tough noogies if you lived on the air force base, zoned for this crummy school. Julie got beaten up, in fights, etc. She had problems for years dealing with others, and is married and pregnant in an unhappy marriage today. She's 20. We went out for 3 years. She was my first love. If she had gone to a nicer school i think we would be married today. Her little sister is turning out nicely. She has been attending magnet programs and her parents moved off base to avoid that school. Maybe i'll date her ;) (j/k really!) A friend Christie recently lost her job at the front desk of Admissions for the university. She was interviewed for the full time position (she was a temp) along with 6 black women. There has been a directive from above here to promote minority hiring. She performed the job of two people before her, coming in to work early and leaving late. She did more than her job- she was an excellent worker and everyone thought so. But she lost her job because of her race. It's that simple, but no one will admit it. She's considering suing the university, and i think she has a real case and has been wronged by politics. She had been told privately she had the job before the directive came down. So here's the story, although it's a little more racist than i agree with. The quote at the end is good. I see charity as the best equalizer- give what you can of your time and money. Follow your heart. From: Hoyaloco@aol.com The Original Version: The ant busts his hump in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold. The New Liberal Version: It starts out the same but when winter comes the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC, and ABC show up and show pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to film of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can it be, in a country of such wealth that this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Then a representative of the NAGB (The National Association of Green Bugs) shows up on NightLine and charges the ant with "Green Bias" and makes the case that the grasshopper is the victim of 30 million years of greenism. Kermit the frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when he sings "It's Not Easy Being Green." Bill and Hillary Clinton make a special guest appearance on the CBS evening news and tell a concerned Dan Rather that they will do everything they can for the grasshopper who has been denied the prosperity he deserves by those who benefited unfairly during the summer, or as Bill refers to it, the "Temperatures Of The 80's". Finally the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Greenism Act" RECTROACTIVE to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs, and, having nothing left to pay his Retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he's in....which just happens to be the ant's old house.... crumbles around him since he doesn't know how to maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow. And on the TV; which the grasshopper bought by selling most of the ant's food, Bill Clinton is standing before a wildly applauding group of Democrats announcing that a new era of "Fairness" has dawned in America. ************** "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:20:39 +0000 From: "Andrew Fu" Subject: YWMFM Overplayed... Hehe - I've talked to two people that have said that my local radio (in Atlanta, GA) station overplays YWMFM. They say she's always on when they turn on the radio. I hope that they don't play it too much as to make people sick of her... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:09:16 +0100 From: Alexander Stamou Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) I think it's really weird that a country such as America, without any history of a racially homogenous population (except for the indians, who aren't exactly the supremacists in America now), is so full of prejudice and racism. Wasn't it supposed to be a great melting pot or something? Talk about a failure.=20 I only know what I know about America from what you say and what I see on TV, but I sure wouldn't want to live there. Visit, yes, but not live. Unless I had lots of money. Then life would be good in America.=20 Am I right or wrong about this? - --=20 =A7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=A7 | Alexander Stamou |=20 | Chalmers University of Technology | | Gothenburg, Sweden | =09 =A7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=A7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:30:36 -0600 From: "James H. Judd" Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) - - I think it's really weird that a country such as America, without any - - history of a racially homogenous population (except for the indians, who - - aren't exactly the supremacists in America now), is so full of prejudice - - and racism. Wasn't it supposed to be a great melting pot or something? - - Talk about a failure. I think the racial diversity makes it more likely for racism in a way, although it does provide the opportunity to overcome it more easily than somewhere that has only one race and people never get the chance to know anyone of another race. Then there's the group stereotype vs. individual thing. I hate the greek system, but know some nice people who are part of it. This is the problem with most people now IMHO. My grandmother before she died had a general dislike for anyone black immediately, without knowing anything about them. But she had known some people who were black and were good people. So she would speak of them like this: "She's a 'n-word', but she's a good person." Sad she couldn't see it didn't matter what color people are- it's the insides that matter. I'm sorry to say i grew up with racist feelings taught to me. I have to try to overcome them, and never let my actions reflect them. I hope my kids don't sense it in me and learn it here or anywhere. It's a slow, generation length conversion process. It amazes me what happened here in Alabama only 35 years ago. (Civil Rights stuff) - - I only know what I know about America from what you say and what I see - - on TV, but I sure wouldn't want to live there. Visit, yes, but not live. - - Unless I had lots of money. Then life would be good in America. I don't think it's like that at all. I like it here. Most people do. There are much worse places to live i think, but i've only been to Bermuda outside the US so i can't say for sure. Different places in America are like different countries, even in the same city. I have the same transparent wall perception you do- a view of other countries from only others' eyes. James, who feels like he's posting alot- is AOL down again? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 11:39:04 EST From: hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au Subject: Re[2]: NJC: something to think about (fwd) I thought just this (about England) when watching the news this morning. All those bombs going off. This never happens here. OK so we had a maniac go mad in Port Arthur but that's not the point. And then with that silly woman taking Pres Clinton to court for sexual harrassment from years ago - I mean, god what a country! We have similar things here of course. Why do they always wait til years after the event to suddenly turn up and ask for one million dollars in damages. Not that I'm trivialising sexual harrassment but why couldn't she have done something about it at the time??? It's clearly for the money. Can't you just imagine it - she's feeling broke, got debts and suddenly thinks, 'I know. I'll take the President to court for that remark he made a lifetime ago.' Bloody hell. end rant. Helen _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) From: Alexander Stamou at mgdestmx01 Date: 14/1/97 11:14 AM I think it's really weird that a country such as America, without any history of a racially homogenous population (except for the indians, who aren't exactly the supremacists in America now), is so full of prejudice and racism. Wasn't it supposed to be a great melting pot or something? Talk about a failure.=20 I only know what I know about America from what you say and what I see on TV, but I sure wouldn't want to live there. Visit, yes, but not live. Unless I had lots of money. Then life would be good in America.=20 Am I right or wrong about this? - --=20 =A7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=A7 | Alexander Stamou |=20 | Chalmers University of Technology | | Gothenburg, Sweden | =09 =A7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=A7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:57:52 -0500 From: Hunter Eggink Subject: very NJC: help on home page creation Hello Angels- I know, I know, this doesn't belong on the list, but if anyone out there would be kind enough to give me a crash-course on making a homepage, it would be greatly appreciated. :) Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:11:24 EST From: neal77@juno.com (Neal Tsay) Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about Hi, W. Chinda wrote: >>This appeared in the Dec 31 column by Diana Griego Erwin in The >Sacramento >>Bee, Sacramento, Calif. I don't really have much to say about the article itself, except yes, like the subject line said, it is something to think about. The reason why I am posting is that I once met the columnist, Diana Griego Erwin. I must say, from what I remember, she was a very nice person. This was about six years ago, when she wrote for the Orange County Register. She wrote about me in her column, for anybody who happens to have the March 7, 1991 Metro section of the OC Register. Sorry for posting, but the name just brought back memories of times long gone. - --Neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:31:13 +0000 From: Tom Morales Subject: Re: SJC : YWMFM on MTV CornflkGl@aol.com wrote: > well.... the song is about Jewel wanting the guy to be near her, and > eventually he'll come around and be with her and love her, right ? > Then why is Steve hanging around and kissing her neck as she sings ? I > watch it , and I think, "You know, Jewel, if you just turned around and > kissed him back, the song would be over and you could go home." I > the video and thinks that. Oh well... Just wondering :) Forgive me > for rambling !! I look at it a lot like the song "Nows Not the Right Time(for love). A person cares very deeply for another but their lives are leading them in two totally different paths. Both of you realize your no good to each other if you don't follow your dreams so there's not much to do except see where that will lead you and hope that that person will still be in your life in some way throughout. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:53:31 -0800 From: "Carter Navarro" Subject: TAB: Angel Needs a Ride "Angel Needs a Ride" Music by Jewel Kilcher. Tablature by Carter Navarro. (1) C / C2 / C / (LONG lingering bit between first two chords) (1a) C / / / C2 / C / (2) |-------------------| Equivalent Chord Progression: C Am G |-------------------| |-------------------| |-----0-------------| |---3---3-2-3-0-----| |---------------3---| (3) G / G6 / G7 (3a) G / / / G6 / G7 (4) F / G / These chords are just the backbone of the song. I encourage you to embellish by strumming lots `n lots. INTRO 1a 2 3 VERSE 1 3a Play 4 times CHORUS 1 4 1a 1 4 4 1a 2 3 FINALE 1 3 1a 1 4 4 4 4 C This is how the song proceeds... INTRO/CHORUS/VERSE/CHORUS/VERSE/CHORUS/VERSE/FINALE - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:01:27 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: NJC; Maybe you guys can help... Whoooo-hoooo!! My Hewlitt Packard stock is up the highest it's been since I bought it. It only went up 5/8ths today, but that puts it at 54 5/8. Unfortunately I barely ever get a chance to check it on TV, and I don't have access to the internet to check it. Does anyone know how I can get stock quotes via e-mail??? Free maybe??? I'd really appreciate the help! -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: EveryDay Angel Subject: Anyone have the Flower Tab Looking for a Tab on Flower. Anyone figure it out yet? An EveryDayAngel, Bryan. "I wana be a space ship and fly away"-BKT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:05:28 -0600 From: Lehmann Subject: RE: my 2 cents on suicide don't you guys listen to Bruce, he would NOT kill himself because I love = him too much and he knows that if he dies then Paul and if Paul and Mike die, I die and = if I die, then Valerie=20 dies and we start this big long suicide chain. Of course, none of this = is EVER going to=20 happen b/c we're all way to stable to kill ourselves. (right mike? = right? right?) Besides,=20 Mike has to go to my wedding!!! And he has to be my son's godfather!!! = So you see, he will NOT die. He has a wonderful life and a gorgeous house and some = really cool stuff and a gorgeous British flag and those swords that my brother wants so = bad and most importantly A JACUZZI!!! (sp?) so he can't die. He means to = much to all of us. :) so there. love, CJ poster child for the SAVE MIKES LIFE association ...Je ne suis pas une clickable... --PYST >I'm only going to say one thing and only once. That is to all you = people=20 >who talk negaatively about suicide. You don't know what goes through = the=20 >head of a person who is contemplating suicide. You also don't know=20 >reasons. Life can be really shitty sometimes and sometimes you just = don't=20 >want to take it any longer. Yes, I am speaking from experiance and the=20 >only reason I'm here today is my faith in God otherwise I would have = been=20 >gone a long time ago . It's hard and If you don't understand then don't = >comment. > > bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Angel Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) > I'm sorry to say i grew up with racist feelings taught > to me. I have to try to overcome them, and never let my actions > reflect them. I hope my kids don't sense it in me and learn it > here or anywhere. It's a slow, generation length conversion > process. It's kind of like that commercial about "colors in a box". It's an African American gentlemen talking about how when he was a child color was something that came in a box ( crayons ), and how now that he's grown up, he knows what "color" really is. Then he goes on to say that to his kids color is something that comes in a box, and he hopes that they never have to grow up. Has anyone seen it? It's really done very well. > - I only know what I know about America from what you say and what I see > - on TV, but I sure wouldn't want to live there. Visit, yes, but not live. > - Unless I had lots of money. Then life would be good in America. > > I don't think it's like that at all. I like it here. Most people do. > There are much worse places to live i think, but i've only been to > Bermuda outside the US so i can't say for sure. Different places > in America are like different countries, even in the same city. I > have the same transparent wall perception you do- a view of other > countries from only others' eyes. > > James, who feels like he's posting alot- is AOL down again? > I would have to agree, America is not that bad, and you do not find racism everywhere you go. katherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:51:03 -0600 From: "James H. Judd" Subject: SJC: Nina recommendation Hi, Well i can't stand it any more. After watching _Point of No Return_ again and seeing this, i have to hear some Nina: - - sandwiches for lunch. Her parents stoked a love of music, exposing - - her to such artists as Odetta, Ella Fitzgerald, and Nina Simone. (from that L.A.Times article) So can someone recommend a good starter album for Nina Simone? Thanks, James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:52:09 -0700 (MST) From: Chopped Liver Subject: Re: NJC: something to think about (fwd) On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Alexander Stamou wrote: > I only know what I know about America from what you say and what I see > on TV, but I sure wouldn't want to live there. Visit, yes, but not live. > Unless I had lots of money. Then life would be good in America. I don't want to live here either. I mean a place where I can make only $25K/year and have my own house on five acres. My kids go to a small public school with high academic standards and I pay only about 10% of my wages in total taxes. I can get the best steak dinner in the world for about 15 bucks and if I want fish I just go out and catch it. The town has 5-10 theatrical productions a year and the University draws some of the greatest minds in the world for lectures. What I really want to do is live somewhere where I must choose my children's names from an official list, there are no guaranteed rights of due process, freedom from search and seizure, or expression, I have to pay 50% taxes, and I can get put in jail for wearing the wrong clothes down town or for chewing gum in public. That's where I want to live, because deep down inside we're all facists. We all want to tell everybody else what to do and we admire a country that can get away with it. We want to be able to walk down the street an pick people out of the crowd and say, "you're the wrong color, your clothes are sloppy, I don't like the look on your face, and I don't like what you're thinking", and through the mothers in jail and through away the key. That's what we want. And we can get away with it, too, man because of two little word: nuclear friggin weapons. We got the bomb, man.... Oops, oh wait. For a minute ther I thought I was Denis Leary. Sorry. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #25 **************************