From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #14 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, January 8 1997 Volume 02 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC---ain't it tho? EDA vs EA Re: NJC---ain't it tho? JC:Acoustic vs. Electric NJC: Calling Colorado? Anyone? LC: (list content) digest #10 Re: NJC: EDAC: fav tune to boogey to? Re: NJC: EDAC: fav tune to boogey to? NJC: Better late than...bite me!! >:-( Re: NJC: Better late than...bite me!! >:-( NJC: Closing Words Re: NJC: I'm Getting Published!!! Re: NJC---ain't it tho? NJC: Re: MOM -anal connection Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric HOWARD STERN talked about JEWEL thismorning... Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Re: eda's ?!?!? Re: NJC: EDAC: fav tune to boogey to? NJC: IT's Me writing from work Hey there, Hi there, Ho there Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric RE:JC:Acoustic vs Electric (solo/band, post from Hiranya last May 9th) Re: HOWARD STERN talked about JEWEL this morning... Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Trade Stuff---promo CDs Choir Of Angels Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric SJC: Re: Obsessive much? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:29:32 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: NJC---ain't it tho? > -"Dr. of Simplicity"Bruce > bhartford3rd@juno.com >PS I couldn't quite follow you in the beginning of your post but >can I just say, Isn't love grand? Sigh..... yeah... I've been with the same woman for 2.5 years now and every once in a while I fall completely in love again. Not that I don't love her constantly, but sometimes you get back to the smiley-goofy love of a new relationship... Damon :) "...houston, we have a problem..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:36:24 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: EDA vs EA >just one question -- if we are all EveryDay Angels, and everyday is one >contiguous word, why is our acronym eDa? shouldn't it be EA? just >curious... >- --- >Tom Curran >tcurran@aegroup.com EA is a trademark of Electronic Arts and we don't want to get our butts sued from under us...;) Just kidding... Tradition! dammit! Someone used eDa and now we all do... or something... The place my brother works is now partially owned by EA... Tiburon Entertainment... ever heard of Madden 96, Madden 97, or Soviet Strike? Come on gamers, you know what I'm talking about...:) Damon "...If you weren't so busy waxing dolphins with Murphy's Oil Soap..."--Steve Poltz from his last e-mail to me regarding why I missed em last time they were here... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:52:02 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: NJC---ain't it tho? At 00:29 08/01/97 -0600, you wrote: >> -"Dr. of Simplicity"Bruce >> bhartford3rd@juno.com > >>PS I couldn't quite follow you in the beginning of your post but >>can I just say, Isn't love grand? > >Sigh..... yeah... I've been with the same woman for 2.5 years now and >every once in a while I fall completely in love again. Not that I don't >love her constantly, but sometimes you get back to the smiley-goofy love of >a new relationship... I just wanted to officaly say that I'm a sap for love, even if I have had some VERY bad experiances with it. *sigh* Oh well. - -Ashe Mayfair "Lets not tell each other are sad stories" -losely quoted from Jerry Maguire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: NittanyVS@aol.com Subject: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Hi everyone... just a quick thought i wanted to share. does anyone else not really like the new "electric" versions of some songs? (Sometimes it be that way, for prime example). i don't mean to sound sacreligious, i love jewel and her music... but for some reason i find that the new version of SIBTW sounds almost, well, like generic "pop" music. this is one of my favorite song by far-- the catchy rhythm, the all-so-true-to-life lyrics, and it is really great of jewel to try new things and experiment.... but to me something is missing when she plays this one with the electric band. does anyone else feel this way? i am just curious. Vanessa p.s. i am not trying to bash jewel or start a war. i would sincerely just like to know how other people feel about jewel with a band. =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 02:06:43 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: NJC: Calling Colorado? Anyone? Guys, I need some help. Does anyone live in Colorado? Preferably Colorado Springs? I'm looking for someone,... a girl (aren't we all?). Someone from a long time ago... -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 16:40:05 -0800 From: wrdavis@ite.net (Katherine Davis) Subject: LC: (list content) digest #10 Could someone send me digest #10? Mine keep getting cut off. Thanks, Mail me before you send, I'm sure alot will respond. Kerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: GraywolfLA@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: EDAC: fav tune to boogey to? In a message dated 97-01-07 22:17:57 EST, you write: << would that just be GREAT to have on the EDA cover tape? I would LOVE that. >> Absosmurfly! I vote yes! L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:31:27 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: NJC: EDAC: fav tune to boogey to? >>She can also sing "I'm Sensitive" word for word, and is >>very cute when she sings it. >> ><< would that just be > GREAT to have on the EDA cover tape? I would LOVE that. >> > >Absosmurfly! >I vote yes! >L. > Whos1s making that cover tape now? I'm sorry, I forget. But hey, Leo, what do ya think? Seems we still need some more stuff on the tape and that sounds like a show stopper to me. And while I'm on it... does anyone have a harmanica I could barrow and/or good ideas how I could recored a song without any real equipment? I wouldn't mind puting somthing on the tape... but I gots no band no guitar no harmonica (guess what song I'm thinking of doing with that ;]). Oh well. - -Ashe Mayfair BTW: Could I ask whoever it is that is making this tape (again I'm sorry, I forgot!!) tell me what songs he has and maybe who did them.. or is it a secret? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 02:55:37 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: NJC: Better late than...bite me!! >:-( I'm not too horribly sure if this was rude of me or not, but it was done none the less. A long time ago (just before JewelStock) I was trying out Aol on a free trial thingy. I came across numerous Jewel sites. One in particular advertising ideas for Jewel Stock t-shirts (incidently I just received mine (x2) and LOVE it). At that time I had no idea of what Jewel Stock was or even what an EDA was. - -side note- Can you imagine my dismay months after the whole thing had taken place and I finally put the pieces together? As I said before, so much for fashionably tardy!! >:-( The whole t-shirt thing gave me the idea to make a t-shirt of my own. I ended up putting a big blue wing (almost) exactly like the one on the POY cover, with big black words over it (hand painted but not bad at all) on the back of a grey long sleeve shirt. It read; "I was thinking that I might fly today" (the very song where Everyday Angels is sung, will the coincidences never cease?) Also on the right arm was written Pieces of You and on the left arm Jewel. (in Blue with black outline). On the front I just put Jewel in green letters over the left breast. Apparently I had commercial on the brain with all my POY references. The shirt is fairly attractive but if considered for mass production would be very expensive. However, somehow it feels rude of me to have this shirt (and wear it) and know that no one else can. Maybe I'm just too darn proud of my own work. Anyway I thought the coincidences (however painful) might offer a fairly nice anecdote to some of you. I guess even before I knew what it was I was a EDA (or EA if you prefer) in training. -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:28:28 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: NJC: Better late than...bite me!! >:-( I guess even before I knew what it was I was a EDA (or EA if you >prefer) in training. > > -Bruce > bhartford3rd@juno.com > I too have an odd acurance with this EDA in traingin thing. I had just picked up PoY and had listend to it and fallen in love totaly with the music. But the song that really stod out in my mind was "I'm Sensitive". It had ever sinse I first saw it on the track list. So I deside to recored some sound bits from the CD onto my computer (that way I could send them to people on IRC and they could hear it). Well the first one I recored was from that very song, and what line was it? Well the .wav goes "I'd rather see the world from another angle, we are every day angels. Be carfull with me cus I'd like to stay that way". Then a day or two later I find this list and think "wow, that's odd." Well, that was my totaly pointless story for the day, tahnk you. - -Ashe (ignor the typos) Mayfair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:59:38 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: NJC: Closing Words Hi, just wanted to put out a few thoughts before I turned in for the night. First off, I'd like to welcome any of the new people (as in really recent joins) to this wonderfull list. I'm sure some of you have seen a little bit of petty arguments that have been going on (does the line "RE: Obsessive Much" ring a bell?) here just recently. Well, let me just say that we are not always like that. We are generaly just fun-loving people (as far as I can tell). Hope this hasn't given any bad impressions of us to you. To the guy who was felling bad cus of these arguments, even after a little good luck in life and love: Sorry my friend. I never want to bring people down. Please don't let our petty fights get in the way of your life. And just remeber, no matter how much I may yell at scream about somthing, I never really hate the person I'm yelling at (the only people I really hate are rapist, child molesters and other such demon spawn... but that is a shouting match for another time... and hopfully another place.). You know, sometimes I start to wonder why I keep goin at all. Then I get some sleep, get up and take a shower, and start a new day as best I can, and fell better. Don't let the little things keep you down. Just live your life as best you can. I promise you I'll be doing just that forever. (that was thrown in there because I had one of thoes days yesterday) On the subjec of the grammys: Congrats to Jewel. She looked lovely today, but then I just might end up living my live out without ever saying a bad word of her. But didn't she just steal the show? I mean really! I realized today that my fav music is labed as "pop music". Isn't that odd. A couple years ago I would have died if I heard someone call something I listen to pop. Times change tho and so do we. Guess that is all for our better. Final note: I swear to god that I won't do this very often. I know how some of you are so upossed to me taking up space in your mailbox with NJC trash. Oh well ;]. - -Ashe (ignor the typos) Mayfair "everyday dullness has begun to breath as I remeber the incredible lightness of living" -Jewel Kilcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:13:34 +1000 From: Helen C Gladman Subject: Re: NJC: I'm Getting Published!!! >Helen - EDA Downunder. :-) > >Oh my God - Helen's back - for this I will come out of lurking - I've >been silent for months!! This is a monumental day!! > > Let's hear it for our Aussie friend!! > >I look forward to reading your posts, always full of no-nonsense and >wisdom!! WOW! That was so great. Thanks Bob. See. This is what being an eDa/EA/EDA is all about! That's when you know you must be a bit wise, when you think everything you say is fluffy stuff and someone else sees sense in it. Cool! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:11:53 +1000 From: Helen C Gladman Subject: Re: NJC---ain't it tho? >>Sigh..... yeah... I've been with the same woman for 2.5 years now and >>every once in a while I fall completely in love again. Not that I don't >>love her constantly, but sometimes you get back to the smiley-goofy love of >>a new relationship... Loved this!!!! It's nice to know there are others out there who have times like that. You go through the blah periods and then suddenly they look at you in some great way or do something totally unexpected and you're back at those early, whirlwind days again - only better because you have so much history with them now! My other half is on his way to Antarctica right now - I had that gushy feeling the first day he was gone and I realised how much I miss/love him. > > I just wanted to officaly say that I'm a sap for love, even if I >have had some VERY bad experiances with it. *sigh* Oh well. You'll have better ones Ashe. :-) Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:24:31 +0100 From: Alexander Stamou Subject: NJC: Re: MOM -anal connection Lehmann wrote: >=20 > >Just looked up the song in the linear notes, and it said it was writte= n by > >Bjork. > here we go again.. linear notes, HAH. how bout Quadratic notes as well? Wouldn't you all say that was slightly anal of the luvely lady? Not that I don't agree. You see I'm anal too, and this is my life's story... - --=20 =A7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=A7 | Alexander Stamou |=20 | Chalmers University of Technology | | Gothenburg, Sweden | =09 =A7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=A7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:12:27 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Willms Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric i couldnt agree more with this. personally, i think jewel should dump the band all together. the only other thing that would sound good with jewel would be another acoustic guitar, and maybe someone to harmonize with. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 NittanyVS@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone... > > just a quick thought i wanted to share. does anyone else not really like the > new "electric" versions of some songs? (Sometimes it be that way, for prime > example). i don't mean to sound sacreligious, i love jewel and her music... > but for some reason i find that the new version of SIBTW sounds almost, well, > like generic "pop" music. this is one of my favorite song by far-- the > catchy rhythm, the all-so-true-to-life lyrics, and it is really great of > jewel to try new things and experiment.... but to me something is missing > when she plays this one with the electric band. does anyone else feel this > way? i am just curious. > > Vanessa > > p.s. i am not trying to bash jewel or start a war.. i would sincerely just > like to know how other people feel about jewel with a band. =) > - -greg - ---------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/broadway/2606 | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I was walking through the country and passing through lovely scenery when I came upon some rotting remains: and though the carcass was wormy... well after all, it's all part of nature's art of cleaning. -- Brad Roberts - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Let me have music dying, and I seek no more delight." -- John Keats - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:24:47 -0800 From: Garrett Fabian Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric At 08:12 AM 1/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >i couldnt agree more with this. personally, i think jewel should dump the >band all together. the only other thing that would sound good with jewel >would be another acoustic guitar, and maybe someone to harmonize with. > >On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 NittanyVS@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi everyone... >> >> just a quick thought i wanted to share. does anyone else not really like the >> new "electric" versions of some songs? (Sometimes it be that way, for prime >> example). i don't mean to sound sacreligious, i love jewel and her music... >> but for some reason i find that the new version of SIBTW sounds almost, well, >> like generic "pop" music. this is one of my favorite song by far-- the >> catchy rhythm, the all-so-true-to-life lyrics, and it is really great of >> jewel to try new things and experiment.... but to me something is missing >> when she plays this one with the electric band. does anyone else feel this >> way? i am just curious. >> >> Vanessa >> >> p.s. i am not trying to bash jewel or start a war.. i would sincerely just >> like to know how other people feel about jewel with a band. =) >> > >-greg I think for some of her songs it works and others it doesn't. Her playing electric on Rocker Girl sounded pretty d@#% cool at the show I went to, and it is a song about being a rocker girl, after all ;) But for the most part, I think her older songs that were written as acoustic ones should stay that way. Does anyone know if Jewel has kept the same lineup in her band since she first started playing with them? When I saw her do a show in May, I was really impressed with the keyboard player and "Bill", the guitar player. They both played excellent solos on "Love Me, Just Leave Me Alone". Well, thats my two cents :) - --Garrett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:36:01 EST From: JOSHUA GAYNOR Subject: HOWARD STERN talked about JEWEL thismorning... hello everyone, i just wanted to see if anyone else out there heard howard stern talking about Jewel this morning on the radio. about 7:10 am. he talked about her and played part of an interview with stutering john. the whole Jewel bit lasted a good 3 plus minutes. we all know how harsh howard stern can be... well he wasn't too harsh on Jewel. he did make fun of her a little (which i didn't appreciate too much, but that's expected with stern) he made fun "who will save your soul" and "ywmfm".. saying that they sound exactly the same. which of course is nonsense. the funny part was how stutering john was trying to interview jewel after the grammy award nominations. he either pissed her off or she didn't take him seriously, blowing him off three times and then said "F**K YOU". they had to piece together the 3 interview attemps to play it on the air. it was pretty funny. did anyone else catch this??? what did you think?? was howard too harsh or not??? peace, - -josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:48:25 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Garret F asked, >Does anyone know if Jewel has kept the same lineup in her band since she >first started playing with them? When I saw her do a show in May, I was >really impressed with the keyboard player and "Bill", the guitar player. >They both played excellent solos on "Love Me, Just Leave Me Alone". No, none of the "original" guys are still with her. The original three were Danny Frankle on the drums, DC _____ on the keyboards, and Donny Falzone on bass. She didn't have a guitarist. (at least not unless a show had a walk on guitarist). The original band was dubbed "The Three Ds" since all of them had "D" names. At JewelStock it was Marc Schulmann on guitar, T-Bone Wolk on bass and Jerry Marotta on drums. (although Flea sat in on some recording) In the fall tour and presently (as I've been led to believe) it's Marc S still on guitar, Frank Valardi on drums and Zev Patz (sp?) on Bass. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:19:34 +0200 (IST) From: Reggev Michael Subject: Re: eda's ?!?!? On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, elvis wrote: > >Texas (inside joke)? and 3) Mommy, can I have a lollipop? > > 3. Cream soda flavored. grape! 42, Tuff - TIE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:45:23 +1000 From: leob@kuentos.guam.net (Leo and Donna Babauta) Subject: Re: NJC: EDAC: fav tune to boogey to? >>>She can also sing "I'm Sensitive" word for word, and is >>>very cute when she sings it. >>> >><< would that just be >> GREAT to have on the EDA cover tape? I would LOVE that. >> >> >>Absosmurfly! >>I vote yes! >>L. >> > Whos1s making that cover tape now? I'm sorry, I forget. But hey, >Leo, what do ya think? Seems we still need some more stuff on the tape and >that sounds like a show stopper to me. Ashe and Larry, That's a great idea! I didn't even think of taping her. It just seems so natural to me that she sings -- she has a great memory, and she memorizes songs easily. Neither she nor I play the guitar or any instruments, so she'd have to sing either a capella or just to Jewel's background music (with vocals edited out). I could sing with her, but that would ruin the tape. ;) Is it too late to send in tapes? I thought I remembered the deadline being Dec. 31. And who do I send it in to? I didn't make note of it because I, personally, am less musically talented than your average tapeworm (WAY less, actually -- tapeworms are just slightly less musical than "CD"worms. Groan! Horrible pun!). Thanks for the idea. Cheers, Leo tropical angel (with no tapeworms, I swear) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:52:46 -0600 From: cdallner@usr.com Subject: NJC: IT's Me writing from work Hello Fellow EDA's It's me Carrie and I just wanted to post a message from my work address to the list to see if anyone is interested to have an EDA Gathering in Chicago? I haven't thought of a time yet but I know of a lot of fun places we can go. The drawback would be that we don't have any room at our place for anyone to sleep over. We hardly have enough room for the two of us. So, if you are interested email me here or at home dallfin@flash.net and I'll start on a list and ideas of places and a date. I was thinking when it warmed up here so.... I'm not sure when because any fellow chicagoans know what the weather is like here. You never know what it is going to be like from one day to the next. Well here is what I had in mind.. Meet at some place either in the burbs or downtown where we all can hang out get to know each other then later that evening go and check out the local music scene. Then who knows.. I encourage any recommendations of places or suggestions of stuff to do or whatever. Send your ideas my way..... Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:45:40 -0500 (EST) From: BaldAndy@aol.com Subject: Hey there, Hi there, Ho there Dear fellow EDA's (gawrsh)- I wanted to post and say hello. I'm a newbie (of sorts) but I'm quite familiar with the goings-on as Rachel (CornflkGl) is my beloved girlfriend, and at times has gone on about the list in exhaustive (hee hee, just kidding, hon) detail... Rachel slipped me a little of the bottleged Jewel stuff when I visited over New Year's... .. this seems an ample time to explain to anyone who doesn't know that Rach and I met online.. fell deeply in love.. and now hang on to a long distance realationship, a distance of the entire eastern seaboard (as Rach lives in Mass and myself in Tallahassee, FL)... ...meanwhile, back in the batcave... ...and got me pretty darn addicted to Jewel (I was already a softcore fan) and all the music I was missing by just listening to PoY. I told her I was thinking of joining the list and you would've thought I proposed.. she even lent me her copy of the Jewelstock tapes... so then I had a weird since of obligation... and now I'm here!! I'm looking forward to getting to know all of you.. Rachel likes you guys a WHOLE lot.. and I can already tell that the majority of you are honest-to-goodness real-life people, so I have, like, 700 new friends!!! Woo Hoo!! Seriuosly, I'm excited about knowing you guys that share my (our) passion for music in general, and especially Jewel's. More power to the Everyday Angels. Thanks, Ashe, for the welcome. My favorite tune to dance my little (ha, uh, I'm 6'6", so that little was funny) heart to is Sometimes it be That Way.. I've never trusted acronyms in the first place.. :) Andy (: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:10:26 -0800 From: Garrett Fabian Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric >>Does anyone know if Jewel has kept the same lineup in her band since she >>first started playing with them? When I saw her do a show in May, I was >>really impressed with the keyboard player and "Bill", the guitar player. >>They both played excellent solos on "Love Me, Just Leave Me Alone". > >No, none of the "original" guys are still with her. The original three were >Danny Frankle on the drums, DC _____ on the keyboards, and Donny Falzone on >bass. She didn't have a guitarist. (at least not unless a show had a walk >on guitarist). The original band was dubbed "The Three Ds" since all of >them had "D" names. > >At JewelStock it was Marc Schulmann on guitar, T-Bone Wolk on bass and >Jerry Marotta on drums. (although Flea sat in on some recording) > >In the fall tour and presently (as I've been led to believe) it's Marc S >still on guitar, Frank Valardi on drums and Zev Patz (sp?) on Bass. > >Mike > > Hmmm... She definitely had someone playing electric guitar with her on a few songs on May22nd. When he came on, Jewel introduced him as "Bill". Maybe it was Marc Schulmann, and the "Bill" thing was some sorta inside joke. I have a tape of an Atlanta show a few days later and she introduces "Bill" again. - --Garrett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:33:32 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Garrett Fabian wrote: > Hmmm... She definitely had someone playing electric guitar with her on a few >songs on May22nd. When he came on, Jewel introduced him as "Bill". Maybe >it was Marc Schulmann, and the "Bill" thing was some sorta inside joke. I >have a tape of an Atlanta show a few days later and she introduces "Bill" >again. Quite interesting, I must admit. My statement on "The 3 Ds" in the spring tour are based on messages from Hiranya to the list (which I double checked before I replied previously) and based on reviews of the shows which I've read....maybe she hired a guitarist and it was never publicized. I'm sure others will chime in with the same info you just stated about Bill. (It's not like Hiranya hasn't had some mis-information for us before, she's only human) Go to http://www.theartof.com/js/jkseries.jpeg There are 4 pics of Marc there. Is that "Bill"?? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:40:46 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: RE:JC:Acoustic vs Electric (solo/band, post from Hiranya last May 9th) This was posted by Hiranya last May: Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:23:14 -0400 From: Hiranya@aol.com To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: solo/band About all the solo vs band stuff thats being discussed. Jewel is hearing lots of pros and cons to from lost of places. I heard her tell an interviewer this: Question: A lot of people are wondeering if your fans will adjust from a solo acoustic album to a band album.... Jewel: This is a funny thing to me...Whoever thinks I have a solo acoustic album must be on crack cocaine! They should go count how many songs on my CD have a band and how many are solo acoustic. Hello? So its not the first CD to be half band songs. And my next CD will have a lot solo acoustic too. Im not going to do a rock and roll CD, you know. I like to mix and match. My live shows will reflect that too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:31:55 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: HOWARD STERN talked about JEWEL this morning... JOSHUA GAYNOR wrote: >i just wanted to see if anyone else out there heard howard stern >talking about Jewel this morning on the radio. about 7:10 am. >he talked about her and played part of an interview with stutering >john. the whole Jewel bit lasted a good 3 plus minutes. E - the Entertainment Network, runs the video from the Howard Stern Show from 11pm to midnight EST. It's always part of that mornings' show. Not knowing if Sterns' show is 3 or 4 hours, it's probably a 1-in-3 or 1-in-4 shot she'll be on, unless they pick the "highlight" hour of the show....how could Jewel NOT be the hightlight???? Anyway, I'm tuning in...check your local listings.... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:40:36 -0500 From: "Andrew Levstein" Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Hey guys, thought I'd add my 2 cents here. At Jewel's show at the Opera House in Toronto (in May), she played with the 3-D's. She started to play Love Me Just Leave Me Alone with the band, and then stopped to say that she forgot to bring Bill up on stage to play guitar. After he strapped on HER electric guitar, they started the song again. (incidentally, almost the exact same thing happened at the show in Boston that was broadcast on the radio) Bill is definitely not Marc S. Bill is younger, and has more hair. He looked like he could have been the tour manager, or somehow associated with the crew. Hope this helps. Andrew Levstein (there it is Mike...my post for January!) - ---------- > From: Mike Connell > To: Garrett Fabian > Cc: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric > Date: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 1:33 PM > > Garrett Fabian wrote: > > > Hmmm... She definitely had someone playing electric guitar with her on a few > >songs on May22nd. When he came on, Jewel introduced him as "Bill". Maybe > >it was Marc Schulmann, and the "Bill" thing was some sorta inside joke. I > >have a tape of an Atlanta show a few days later and she introduces "Bill" > >again. > > Quite interesting, I must admit. My statement on "The 3 Ds" in the spring > tour are based on messages from Hiranya to the list (which I double checked > before I replied previously) and based on reviews of the shows which I've > read....maybe she hired a guitarist and it was never publicized. I'm sure > others will chime in with the same info you just stated about Bill. (It's > not like Hiranya hasn't had some mis-information for us before, she's only > human) > > Go to http://www.theartof.com/js/jkseries.jpeg > > There are 4 pics of Marc there. Is that "Bill"?? > > Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:43:13 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: Trade Stuff---promo CDs Hi all! I just got back from school and I stopped at the CD Exchange on campus. I found another copy of PRCD-5998-2, the WWSYS/I'm Sensitive pre album promo single with the cool bio and such. Anyone interested in this, let me know. I would prefer to trade it for a promo CD that I don't have, otherwise I'll be forced to give it up for the price I paid ($3.99 plus tax) and postage... Once again, I would rather trade for a promo CD I don't have, but I am open to trades of all sorts and as a last resort will sell it for the price I paid... Good day to all Damon - -----please put Promo Trade or something in the sub line----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:47:21 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: Choir Of Angels I just wanted to say that if there is enough interest, I would like to put together a tape of EDAs doing original tunes. I know I have several hundred songs of my own to choose from and I'm sure that many of you have songs that you'd like the wonderful people of the list to hear and perhaps comment on. Anyhow, I'd like anyone who is seriously willing to get in on this to send me a message with the subject: A Choir Of Angels. I'd like to be able to fill a tape with different stuff, but I'd also be willing to use more than one tune. Let me know, because I'd really like to do this (as if I have any free time now, ;))... Yours in Jewel, Damon "...buildings and bridges are made to bend in the wind..."--ani ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:32:15 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: JC:Acoustic vs. Electric Greg Wilmms wrote: > i couldnt agree more with this. personally, i think jewel should dump the > band all together. In response to Vanessa, who wrote: >> just a quick thought i wanted to share. does anyone else not really like >> the new "electric" versions of some songs? (Sometimes it be that way, for >> prime example). i don't mean to sound sacreligious, i love jewel and her >> music... but for some reason i find that the new version of SIBTW sounds >> almost, well, like generic "pop" music. While I fully respect both opinions, and do think she could be successful solo, I feel an artist needs to grow, just as any one of us needs to grow. I think Jewel is doing just fine and knows exactly what she's doing. For her to succeed and be a 'star' (if that is what she wants, which is likely I would think) she absolutely needs the band, IMHO. Not all the time mind you, I think she's doing just fine using the band in about 33% of her set. It's good stuff as well as her solo stuff, which I adore and I too like better (the solo stuff). To maintain a rising career as a solo act would take much more work than if she used a band, which she says she loves anyway. She has stated many times she loves working with a band. After Thursday's "Carnivore" at JewelStock she screamed, "I want one of those!" while looking at the band leave the stage. What she is doing is trying new ideas, and testing them out. She's no dummy....if a song doesn't work at a show, either solo or electric, she'll make changes. Some songs work both ways. "Run Tonto Run" comes to mind. I love it solo and with a band. (It's one of the three she recorded with a band & solo, Jessica & SIBTW being the others) "Carnivore" can go #1 with the band (and damn well better ;), and I think it just don't work solo. It sounds OK on the JS Tapes from that WDST Radio broadcast, but it kicks some serious butt with a band, especially at JewelStock with Marc, Jerry & T-Bone. They had been together a month at that point, and it showed during all ten songs they played together on the two nights. When I saw her a month later at NH with the 'new' band, it wasn't quite as much a fine tuned machine as it was at JS. Another 'must have a band' song is "Fading Away". It's a FUN song, and has good potential as a single, IMO. Much of the 'fun' in that song is the band. I personally think it's a very well orchestrated song that would sink like a rock solo. My feeling is that if she doesn't utilize a band, she will stagnate her growth and not go too far, as, unfortunately, in todays music world, a 100% acoustic act can't go as far as it may have 20-25 years ago. I have always felt that she was born maybe 15 years too late, as she would have fit right in in the late 60s and early 70s as an acoustic act, but then again, we would not have the same "excitment" now about watching her grow. Let's be happy for her, let her do what she wants in her career, and watch her shine. I have very high hopes for this CD. I see a potential six charting singles off of it, with maybe 3 top tens. In a nutshell, I think the subject really shoud be "Acoustic & Electric", not "Acoustic vs. Electric". Go Jewel go, grow Jewel grow, we'll support you which ever way you choose. Mike P.S. By the way Vanessa, I agree on SIBTW sounding somewhat like generic pop with a band. That is likely one reason she recorded it solo and with a band....torn on which way to go. However, even though it's "generic" with a band, it may just fly as a single with it. Also I feel "Love Me Just Leave Me Alone" is sort of cliche-ish musically, but I have HIGH hopes for that as a single. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:40:52 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: SJC: Re: Obsessive much? Sean, This is not intended as a flame, not by any means, just another differing view of a few things....(It may come across as a flame though....sorry) You wrote: > This list has been getting increasingly obsessive lately. The whole > angels thing is getting way overboard, wearing wings and stuff? > come on now, let's not become freaks about this. Personally, I think they were just having fun and not too serious about it. At least the 'wings' part. However, if they do wear wings, so be it. In the 1970's I saw MANY folk wear make-up just like the band when going to KISS concerts, I've seen many folk dress up going to midnight showings of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" (There's some fuel for Dennis Harris there....this oughta be good) and although I've yet to be at one, I've seen some amazing footage of what people show up dressed like at Star Trek conventions. If some EDAs on this list want to wear wings at a show, I see it as being not much different than a bunch of men or women wearing team bowling shirts at the alleys. It's just kids being kids, teenagers being teenagers, fans being fans. > I took heat for being selfish and wanting to keep Jewel to myself > but then anytime anyone even mentions the Jewelstock tapes we get > way possessive, what, what, someone outside the list may have > a copy, oh god, oh no, what shall we do??? That's not at all true and I think you know it. It's not a "possessive" thing, it's just "protective" thing for Jewel as best we can PER HER MANAGEMENTS' WISHES. I'm NOT going to go on about this one, I've already written probably 100,000 words on the subject. > And the bootlegging thing too, I was extremely disturbed and upset > to find that you all allowed him to censor you by disallowing even > the mention of the word bootleg, > he may be the list manager, but who is he to tell us > what we can or cannot talk about in relation to Jewel. "Extremely disturbed"? Extremely? Sorry, he was well within his rights, legally, morally and just to maintain sanity. It's no different than Time magazine choosing what articles to publish or what letters to the editor to publish. This list is PRIVATELY owned and does not fall under the Freedom Of Speech amendments or any such stuff. (at least I think not, if someone knows otherwise FOR SURE, please correct me) This list was getting dragged down with the horsebleep talk that was going on and it made the list harder for him to maintain due to problems it was creating for him. You haven't the foggiest idea what Jeff goes through on a DAILY basis to run the SEVEN mailing lists he does. If you do, then you should know better than to flame him for doing what is likely well within his rights and responsibilities to Jewel. (Many and I mean MANY folk told me on the phone and in private Emails that Jeffs' decision to do it was a good move) :::::: Mike dusts off and steps up on his soapbox :::::: Also, bootleg CDs are ILLEGAL, plain and simple. We can talk about murder and robbing banks on this list and there won't be a problem. However, if anyone then started to condone murder and/or robbing banks, or talk of committing those acts, OR the talk of the topic starts dragging the list down in the mud, Jeff would be well in his rights and morally obligated to do all he can to stop it. (Yeah, I know bootleg CDs are NOTHING when compared to murder & robbing banks, but illegal is illegal in my book, and I'm using it to make a point) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You buy a bootleg CD, whether or not you know it's a bootleg, you break the law (albeit a minor breakage in most eyes). You shoplift PoY, you break the law. If a bunch of EDAs started talking about how they shoplifted PoY, would you object if Jeff outlawed talk of shoplifting PoY?? That's not "apples and oranges" like my having previously compared bootlegs to murder & bank robbing. Remember, by definition (from MS Bookshelf) the term bootleg is: To produce, distribute or sell without permission or illegally (ex: a clandestine outfit that bootlegs record albums and tapes) Fair trading of AUTHORIZED tapes is not bootlegging. Jewel herself and other artists don't help the situation by referring to authorized/condoned tapings as "boots" or "bootlegs". This list has a direct contact with the artist it exists for. Yes, that contact has been absent since mid-October, but it has been for a reason. I know for a fact that changes are going on at Jewel's 'office' that seem to indicate that we may soon again have a Hiranya back. Partially due to the fact that we have that contact, Jeff was right in doing what he did because we have a moral and LEGAL obligation to the artist. It (banning bootleg talk) also made the list easier and more enjoyable for him to run. If he isn't having fun doing it, what's the point of running it? Same point for us...if any of us don't have fun being on the list, why stay? If Jeff ever says "to hell with it", this list is history, at least until someone else would start a new one. By the way, this is in the "Welcome To Jewel" Email you got when you first subscribed, but for those of you who do not know, Hiranya is the name given by Lenedra (Jewel's mother/manager) to a person who works in the office and who monitors this list to help keep Jewel, her mother and everyone else there in touch with us and us informed and also to help THEM 'see' what her fans are really thinking about anything in relation to Jewel. Hiranya would often post tour dates, TV appearances, etc....anything at all to help us see more of Jewel and to have kewel info before much of the public. At least from the time I first joined this list thru the fall of 1996, the usual Hiranya was the same young woman in the office. More than a few times she reacted and posted about some of the threads that were taking place on the list, sometimes positively, sometimes neutral, sometimes a bit perturbed. It's thru this contact with her that Jewel knew of (dare I bring it up?) the "Does Jewel smoke?" debates that plagued this late spring of last year. (NO, she does not). I for one relish the fact that we have this contact and hope we have it again soon. Well, I've taken up enough of your time. :::::: Mike gets down off his soapbox :::::: In closing, the moral(s) of my story is, Jeff has a right to stop the open talk of the products of ILLEGAL activity on this list, and if an EDA wants to wear wings, halos or empty cans of Spam on their head to ID themselves to each other at a Jewel concert, I say let them and let them discuss it. Mike ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #14 **************************